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 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 101
OK, I'm starting to feel afraidPage 5 of 10    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10)
Could dress up, to get love
But guess what?
I'm never gonna be that girl
Who's living in a Barbie world
Could wake up, in make up, and play dumb
Pretending that I need a boy
Who's gonna treat me like a toy

I know the other girlies wanna wear expensive things, and diamond rings
But I don't wanna be the puppet that you're playing on a string
This queen don't need a king
Oh I don't know what you've been told
But this gal right here's gonna rule the world
Yeah that is where I'm gonna be, because I wanna be
No I don't wanna sit still, look pretty
You get off on your 9 to 5
Dream of picket fences and trophy wives
But no I'm never gonna be, cause I don't wanna be
No I don't wanna sit still look pretty


Sit still, look pretty lyrics.

Played every day on the radio.
 jackhoffmods
Joined: 9/10/2016
Msg: 102
OK, I'm starting to feel afraid
Posted: 9/15/2016 6:04:12 AM
Nonsensical Deborah too. First of all, Louisiana law changed back in the 70s...men and women have the same rights there. Second, i'm your age and girls had it just as good as guys back then. If anything, they were trrated better by their teachers than boys, went on to college and professional schools just like the guys.

Girls from my grammar school are now lawyers, doctors, heart surgeons. Inequality my ass.
 jackhoffmods
Joined: 9/10/2016
Msg: 103
OK, I'm starting to feel afraid
Posted: 9/15/2016 6:07:01 AM
Women still whining about feminism today, are losers or pof moderators. Your not making it has nothing to do with being female, far more to do with your being you.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 104
OK, I'm starting to feel afraid
Posted: 9/15/2016 7:45:47 AM
lol...seems there are robots among us ^^^ that are programmed to repeat the same nonsense and then short circuit and leave for repairs over and over again. Obviously not a very good make and model!
 jackaltoo
Joined: 9/10/2016
Msg: 105
OK, I'm starting to feel afraid
Posted: 9/15/2016 8:06:54 AM
^^^^ Nonsense??? really. Women have it better than men in the US today. Far more of you are in college. . . because you are treated better by the schools through high school. The world is your oyster. We may even have a woman President.

And yet no matter how good you have it, no matter how many opportunities you have .. . . you still whine and bi^tch. Poor you. Guys think of us as sexual objects. Boo hoo hoo.

One nut from Turkey claims the US treats women just like they are treated in Turkey and other Muslim countries.

Let me reiterate . . . if you can't make it now, with all you have going for you . . its on you and not American Society. Too many of you spend your lives bi^tching about things or acting like bi^tches and you wonder why men don't want to share the boardroom with you. Stop whining about your lot in life, step up to the plate, and there is nothing whatsoever holding you back.
 jackaltoo
Joined: 9/10/2016
Msg: 106
OK, I'm starting to feel afraid
Posted: 9/15/2016 8:10:01 AM
And this nonsense from debbietoo about how tough girls had it when she was growing up. . . . total and complete BS. I know. I was there. People bent over backwards to ensure women were treated equally back then . . . but still the b^tching. Still the blaming. Look within girls... and you may see the problem.
 jackaltoo
Joined: 9/10/2016
Msg: 107
OK, I'm starting to feel afraid
Posted: 9/15/2016 8:15:33 AM
And to the B^tch Mod . . . you need to move faster. I'm still here. What the heck is wrong with you?


In order to maintain the highest quality forums you are restricted to having no more then 2 of the last 10 posts on a thread.
Since 2 of the last 10 posts are yours you can not post to this thread.
 jackaltoo
Joined: 9/10/2016
Msg: 108
OK, I'm starting to feel afraid
Posted: 9/15/2016 8:21:42 AM
Let me mention the latest wonderful woman . . . an executive from wells fargo, who devised a scheme to defrauds thousands of Americans, and was let go with a 125 million severance package. Boo Hoo Hoo. Nice to know women are every bit as corrupt as the guys. Equal opportunities.

And lets not forget that woman who raised the pen to $600 bucks per package and increased her CEO pay from 2 million to 18 million. Poor woman. no equal opportunities.... boo hoo hoo.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 109
OK, I'm starting to feel afraid
Posted: 9/15/2016 8:39:07 AM
My mistake. The robot can't short circuit when it's apparently wound up with a key...overly tight.
 Tiddlywinks_2
Joined: 8/31/2016
Msg: 110
OK, I'm starting to feel afraid
Posted: 9/15/2016 9:52:32 AM
Boy, there seems to be a little anger coming from that young lady. A young lady that didn't grow up here, didn't see her mother and mother's sisters and the rest from the 60s, 70s and 80s work, work hard to get to where we are. And yes, men still earn more than women. This is slowly changing.

I am surprised that someone barely 40 has this attitude and this much anger. If some man did this to you, maybe get a little professional help as the anger oozes. If you're just this way because....ewwwww. I feel sorry for you, you need to let it go. All your posts ooze anger.

As for research and looking up stuff, studies, "facts" , YouTube, reports on the internet...we can find what the hell ever we want to back up what the hell ever opinion we want. We still have birthers, for example and one of them is running for the presidency of the U.S. of A and that makes me feel far more afraid than some guy whacking off to porn. There are some folks that still believe aliens come down and probe them during the night and take them off in spaceships and change their brains to mutant lizard brains. This may explain those still in the KKK and these a-holes make me more afraid than some guy whacking off to porn. BTW, I believe Elvis is still alive and planting pineapples on one of the islands near Hawaii. I know I can find the info online to back that shit up.

I think for the most part, we women in the U.S. and Canada are doing pretty good . We are respected, educated, own homes, raise children, have control over our vaginas, can choose to believe in a god or not, I don't wear a dog chain, my salary is pretty much the same as a man doing my job, 50 weeks paid maternity leave with a guarantee of holding my job. I didn't show off my tits to get a job and I don't give blow jobs to keep them. My daughter inlaw is doing okay too and I have no worries for my grand daughter.

People I fear...the angry. I fear the angry . Angry doesn't listen, it just rants. And when you rant, no one listens.

Or as Joe said....whatever about oxygen...true dat.
 LiliMarleen
Joined: 5/24/2009
Msg: 111
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Posted: 9/15/2016 10:25:50 AM

50 weeks paid maternity leave with a guarantee of holding my job.


Not in the US.


I didn't show off my tits to get a job and I don't give blow jobs to keep them.


Is that the standard for equality you employ? Really?
 dragonbytes
Joined: 9/15/2015
Msg: 112
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Posted: 9/15/2016 11:34:50 AM
Every time I see this thread, I think it's because Trump has been gaining ground in election polling.
 Coma_White
Joined: 9/15/2013
Msg: 113
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Posted: 9/15/2016 12:13:43 PM

Here is a story linked to data showing younger women in Australia are facing significantly less discrimination in getting pay rises than older women. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160905130017.htm

I just happened to have glanced at this last week and thought you both might be interested in the generational factor.


It's nice to read a coherent post after skimming passed all the nonsense and trolling from people too lazy to read the forum rules before posting. It's almost impossible to have anything that resembles a discussion or debate when so many immature people create a toxic environment. It's like trying to have a rational discussion on a college campus while random people start shouting things like "Stop Kony!" Thanks for the link though. A lot can change in a generation, and the important thing is that we need to hear from all points of view if we want to live in a pluralistic society. People will call you "racist" if you value Western values like equality, democracy, freedom of speech, capitalism, and liberty because they get it confused with supporting white supremacy. I don't like extremists on the left or the right, but it's important not to silence them because it's far easier to deal with people when they're not concealing themselves.
 BlasphemousBombshell
Joined: 11/19/2013
Msg: 114
OK, I'm starting to feel afraid
Posted: 9/15/2016 12:38:29 PM


One nut from Turkey claims the US treats women just like they are treated in Turkey and other Muslim countries.


What really happened is one guy said sexism doesnt exist in the west. And i said as a woman who lived in BOTH hemispheres i experienced sexism in BOTH hemispheres, they just happened in different ways

Just so you know, women can get abortions with Universal medicine paid for by taxes in Turkey. In america the experience is wraught with so many hurdles. Also 1.5 million turkish women get free university education every year, not in the US. Their nikkah laws also prevent men from abanonning women with children there, unlike here, where a good deal of children have dead beat fathers.

I could go on listing tons of examples. But why bother? Sexist idiots dont even read facts when they are posted. Just like racist idiots can watch videos of black people beaten by white cops all day and still whine that white people are the new victims of racism. Go ahead, sit on a dating site refusing to look at data and account for it while telling women they are delusion for noticing their systematic issues, im sure it wil get you many dates lol
 BlasphemousBombshell
Joined: 11/19/2013
Msg: 115
OK, I'm starting to feel afraid
Posted: 9/15/2016 12:42:39 PM

trolling from people too lazy to read the forum rules before posting


This perfectly describes a certain young man who demanded evidence, and then when given a ton of resources, ignored them all so he could continue ranting.
 jackalhope
Joined: 9/5/2016
Msg: 116
OK, I'm starting to feel afraid
Posted: 9/15/2016 1:56:38 PM
^^^^^^
And as I have said, you are NEVER going to do away with sexism. There are two sexes and considering how highly sexed most human beings, especially when young. . Sexism is a natural fact of life.

But the issue is equality. Women have as many rights as men in the US. They are not, like in many Muslim nations, second class citizens.

Neither men nor women get free educations, for the most part, in the US. The Courts do their best to prevent dead beat fathers from getting away with it in the US . . . but don't tell me there aren't dead beat fathers in Muslim nations, because I would not believe you.

You notice systemic issues simply because you are attuned to the poor me syndrome. Pleny of women have far more positive experiences. not all of them end up as bi^tchy POF moderators. Some of them actually have a life.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 117
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Posted: 9/15/2016 2:39:28 PM

Studies show most women like this. But we havent studied sexuality in NON patriarchal societies and we dont see other primates practice fetishistic behaviors. So the question becomes: is this an offshoot of the natural desire for women to have strong sperm donors to benefit their offspring? Or is this an internalization of patriarchy? Because women DO internalize it in a myriad of other ways.

Thanks for the logical discussion

You're welcome.
^Bonobos are notorious for their casual use of sex as a social interaction. Maybe that's not fetishistic, but they don't seem to follow any "rules" about where they put it, for how long, or even if they're related.

The question:


So the question becomes: is this an offshoot of the natural desire for women to have strong sperm donors to benefit their offspring?

Please try not to combine the words; Offshoot, desire, sperm, and benefit, in the same sentence.

There have been studies which seem to show some correlation between womens' changing "tastes", and ovulation, I believe.? Women tend to prefer knuckle-draggers, when they're ovulating, and then they become sane again, afterwards.
I think it all goes back to 'basic instincts', and hormones, and pheromones, and shit.
We're "programmed" (by evolution, not "god") to recognise the signs of health, and generally, (IMO) this shapes societal "opinions" of "beauty", which tend to be the individuals who are at the most fertile times of their lives.

We have evolved to be attractive to potential mates, and also have evolved to be attracted by those same indicators of fertility and health. There are exceptions, obviously.
Women also have the (subconsciously, usually?) longer term goal, of selecting a good provider for the potential offspring, as well as healthy genes, and/or admirable/useful and possibly genetically inherited traits...

And way back, before "rules", and long before it was considered impolite to keep killing other people, the best provider was likely to be the "alpha male" types, because they'd just take what they wanted/needed, from the inferior 'ranks', and because, with them, that wasn't likely to happen to their partners or offspring.

This is one of the 'bestial' traits I mentioned, which I think many ("meathead" type) males struggle to surrender, particularly, when they're young, and strong, and pumped with testoterone.
The time when they'd 'naturally' be establishing themselves in the 'pecking order', (Read: "breeding rights") by means of fighting.

Anyway, I digress..
I agree with most of what you say, but I struggle to see how the men who voluntarily choose to give up their undoubtedly advantageous status as males, to become "female", could be considered to be "patriarchal", when they're trying to switch teams. (Unless you think they might be some sort of 'spies'? But it's really not a very good way to "blend in", being 6'4", and with a handle-bar moustache, if that's the case?)

There's reams of information about the UK gender pay- gap, there's just been some govt research which shows it's still almost 20%, -despite that being "illegal", for like, nearly 45 years!

And yes, there's a rape-culture, originating in the old testament, and perpetuated by the three "abrahamic faiths".
(See my posts in the woman with her face covered thread.)
BUt I think it goes back long before "gods" were invented, to justify it.
It all goes back to those damn bestial urges, I'm afraid.
Some men just struggle with change.
They call them: "Conservatives".

Your stance on transgender people seems uncharitable. There are also females who become males. Where do they fit into the scheme of things?
I'd be interested to hear your rationale.
Gotta run
I've got porn to watch!
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 118
OK, I'm starting to feel afraid
Posted: 9/15/2016 2:49:45 PM


trolling from people too lazy to read the forum rules before posting

This perfectly describes a certain young man who demanded evidence, and then when given a ton of resources, ignored them all so he could continue ranting.

I think you will find this a common trait among some posters... especially the ones who become "whining little b!tches" when they are challenged to follow the same demands they place on others...
 SLAFFA
Joined: 8/13/2007
Msg: 119
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Posted: 9/15/2016 3:50:58 PM
EVOLUTION 101 dictates that your worries are groundless... on so many levels. It's well documented by many independent sources that the brains of MOST men simply do not operate that way. Internet porn is a multi billion dollar business for a very good reason. Same applies to most women and their favorite tool of choice. BOTH items designed around basic Human anatomy/"triggers". Unless and until women are not the ONLY ones who can become pregnant, real women will be safe.

If you want to worry about something... you can check out that other thread with almost 5400 responses as I type this. How on earth can SO MANY seemingly sane people be so confused and worried about the upcoming election/possible results???

The answer is pretty simple and can easily be found in the TV thread a couple of months ago. All those folks who "never" or "seldom" watch TV were not kidding. They might want to put down their phones or tablets long enough to watch a commercial or two.
 jackleandme
Joined: 9/11/2016
Msg: 120
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:25:06 PM
^^^^^^ the man who knows everything LOL.

Listen closely boys and girls. Slaffa will tell you what you are doing right and doing wrong in your relationship. This self-professed relationship expert, and expert in everything else... has had plenty of practice. Been here for over ten years and still going strong....and still looking.

Tells you everything you need to know about this expert.
 Coma_White
Joined: 9/15/2013
Msg: 121
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:22:05 PM

This perfectly describes a certain young man who demanded evidence, and then when given a ton of resources, ignored them all so he could continue ranting.


You posted opinion pieces and studies. I posted studies as well. If there's normative evidence supporting both sides, who decides which side of an argument is correct? You're using the same old arguments people tried to use when they said video games make people violent and heavy metal will make you commit suicide. I'm still wondering if you intentionally break the rules or if you're simply too lazy to read them.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 122
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Posted: 9/15/2016 7:46:59 PM
Look at the plain numbers.

Which category of people is the LARGEST in number (race and sex):

- that gets to be a "minority" when declaring themselves homosexual and all about it becomes a "right" and a "protested class?"

- that gets less responsibility by women being ( or acting as if they are) "equal" in job getting, salaries, child rearing, etc.

- that benefited from changes in child support and alimony laws because women are now reportedly ( though not actually) equal to men in obtaining jobs and pay?

- that will take advantage of the "right" to pretend to be women and use the women's bathroom and other facilities, again getting a "minority" status?

- that will get to be in and stay in the armed services and get all of the benefits but will not be required to fulfill all of the duties by declaring themselves homosexual?

- that gets all sorts of freakiness by promoting porn as "normal and healthy" and then normalizing freak activities represented therein?

etc.

etc.etc.


etc., etc.

Deny it to yourselves if you must.

I get that.

(It is hard to tell who is a women and who is a man by the photos and the manner of writing and what is written so I get the confusion that some of you have about what the words man and woman mean.)
 BlasphemousBombshell
Joined: 11/19/2013
Msg: 123
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Posted: 9/15/2016 9:16:58 PM

You posted opinion pieces and studies. I posted studies as well. If there's normative evidence supporting both sides, who decides which side of an argument is correct? You're using the same old arguments people tried to use when they said video games make people violent and heavy metal will make you commit suicide. I'm still wondering if you intentionally break the rules or if you're simply too lazy to read them.


I quoted over a dozen studies ranging from large collections of empirical data (with well over hundreds of links in the annotations) to even video from the world renowned expert in the field of pornography's effect on sexual behavior. You don't even know this, because you didn't look.

I'm not going to to repeat myself like a broken record to comply with a narcissist's gas lighting game of turn about. Anyone with freaking eyes can see you demanded evidence, I gave you a TON, and all you can do is post ONE link in return and then pretend your SINGLE link competes with what amounts to hundreds of studies in a compendium. What is there to say to nonsense like that? You are being obtuse on PURPOSE, no rational person would say ONE data study outweighs hundreds of others.

Because you aren't rational, because you are acting like a dishonest ego-maniacal blowhard, because you are talking about a topic you CLEARLY don't know (the fact you think all feminists and SJWs are the same shows you never opened a SINGLE book on feminist theory in your life. Because the FIRST thing you learn is that feminism has MULTIPLE schools and multiple waves. SJWS are actually loathed by the majority of feminists). So why waste my time talking with someone who is so little educated on that which he rants? As far as I'm concerned you bring as much value to this conversation as a racist does on civil rights - NONE.
 justdeb111a
Joined: 9/4/2016
Msg: 124
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Posted: 9/15/2016 10:37:48 PM

Nonsensical Deborah too. First of all, Louisiana law changed back in the 70s...men and women have the same rights there. Second, i'm your age and girls had it just as good as guys back then. If anything, they were trrated better by their teachers than boys, went on to college and professional schools just like the guys.

Girls from my grammar school are now lawyers, doctors, heart surgeons. Inequality my ass.


In 1986, I inquired as to the purchase of a house in Amite. I was married at the time and it did require a signature by my husband--I could not buy the house on my own though my income alone was sufficient to pay for it. I assumed that it was because the house was being purchased from someone out of state (myself) that I needed his signature but was told via phone by the listing agent that it was the law that a married woman could not buy property on her own--though her husband could. If the law has changed, wonderful, but it did not change in the "70's".

As to whether girls in my generation were having it "just as good as the guys", the following is only one of many instances, but sticks in my mind to this day.

I graduated from high school in northern Ohio in 1971. In 1968 the entire high school was brought into the auditorium to view an assembly given by General Motor's Body by Fisher team. They were offering a scholarship to anyone who could design an automobile body, done as a technical/draftsman drawing as well as a plaster cast of specific size. We had a deadline to meet.

My grandmother had been a "Rosey the Riveter" sort during WWII and did drafting for Goodyear aerospace. She was a member of the draftsman team who did modifications on the Goodyear F2G Corsair. There were few men and she was talented so was able to do this during the war. I had all of her draftsman tools and intended to do a beautiful job of drawing and inking the car design--Granma was still alive of course and I knew she would help.

I was in my high school art class later that day and was working on a design (looked a lot like a cross between that year's Camaro and a Shelby GT350 if I must say so) when my instructor, Mr. Hale, looked over my shoulder and asked what was I doing. I told him it was an entry into the Body by Fisher contest and he laughed. He said that the contest was for boys only, not girls.

They brought us to an assembly to show us a scholarship contest that was solely for boys.

I did not tell my grandmother, but I did tell my mother. We moved to another school district the next year and myself and another girl, a junior, were the first two girls to take the draftsman class. The instructor changed the final exam design from the traditional brassiere to a house plan, though he was not required to. I continued and aced the second year mechanical drawing class as well. They did not offer a third year or I would have signed up--loved it.

(I even wanted to design and race a soapbox car for the Soapbox Derby, but, girls were not allowed to enter until 1971--too late for me).

Of course there are women doctors, teachers, engineers from our generation--the saying at the time was to be accepted in a man's career, you had to be better than any man there. Problem is that these women still make considerably less than their male counterparts. http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/12/us/equal-pay-day/

Now you are entitled to your opinion, of course, but unless you are a woman, it is only an opinion about this subject and not a fact. It would be like me saying as a fact that everything was hunky dory in Mississippi in the late sixties for African Americans--I am not qualified to state that as factual. I frankly would not state it as an opinion either, else appear as a fool.
 ThroatLozenge
Joined: 3/2/2016
Msg: 125
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Posted: 9/15/2016 10:49:18 PM
Sorry ladies, but I just have to play devil's advocate here.

I don't know any married stay at home fathers or 50 year old married men that have never worked a day in their adult lives.

Just sayin'....
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