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 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 4126
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and now the GOP repeal of Obamacare, rushed past the CBO, wants to give block money to the states to do with what they wish....in other words...slush funds open to potential abuse, no rules on how they should be spent.


I think McCain will be the "pivot man" here; if they can flip Mccain over, then the repeal will pass (unless Murkowski or Collins get flipped first). The funny thing is how this system is so rigged. The bill couldn't pass in July with the same set of lawmakers involved but now they found a way (through reconciliation) to do it again.

That is kinda like having to re-play the Superbowl...because the losing side, didn't like the outcome....whatta joke!
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 4127
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/21/2017 11:05:57 AM
Wonder how long Tillerson will keep putting up with Trump's stupidity: http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/trump-told-reporters-he%e2%80%99d-made-up-his-mind-on-the-iran-nuclear-deal-he-didn%e2%80%99t-warn-his-secretary-of-state/ar-AAsjdVR?li=AAggNb9&ocid=u143dhp
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 4128
Why does the GOP keep clinging to its particpation trophy?
Posted: 9/21/2017 11:58:55 AM
"That is kinda like having to re-play the Superbowl...because the losing side, didn't like the outcome....whatta joke! "

>>>the joke is it comes from the deplorables who keep saying, "your candidate lost, why won't you accept that?" Its long past time the deplorables accept they lost at Obamacare, and start asking their representatives to pay for it, not sidetrack the $$ into paying for YouTube ads trying to shoot it down again.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 4129
Why does the GOP keep clinging to its particpation trophy?
Posted: 9/21/2017 12:28:31 PM
This is pretty much what it boils down to, not what is best for the citizens:


Grassley was even more blunt.

“You know, I could maybe give you 10 reasons why this bill shouldn’t be considered,” he told local reporters this week. “But Republicans campaigned on this so often that you have a responsibility to carry out what you said in the campaign. That’s pretty much as much of a reason as the substance of the bill.”

So when you cut through the salesmanship around state flexibility and the evils of Obamacare, Senate Republicans will tell you right to your face why Graham-Cassidy, a bill nobody had taken seriously until a week ago, might very well pass the chamber in the next few days. They promised to repeal Obamacare, and this is the only Obamacare repeal bill left.

That’s it.

Such an abdication of any coherent policy vision has other Republicans in Washington, particularly those well studied in health policy, baffled.

“I think this process with Graham-Cassidy is an embarrassment on top of the previous embarrassments — the cherry on top, if you will,” a second GOP health care lobbyist told me. “A sweeping revision of federal-state roles in and funding arrangements for health care, with one hearing, no markups, no CBO score. Good grief.”

“I still believe conservatives and Republicans have strong ideas for improving how health care is financed and delivered,” the lobbyist continued. “But will anyone listen to them after this debacle is finally and mercifully over?”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/21/16339524/republicans-obamacare-repeal-graham-cassidy-nobody-cares

If this goes through, as is, and based on the likelihood of “But will anyone listen to them after this debacle is finally and mercifully over?” - Republicans can kiss their wrinkled old behinds goodbye, because even their current supporters (or especially) will finally feel the full effects of being shafted.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 4130
Why does the GOP keep clinging to its particpation trophy?
Posted: 9/21/2017 4:52:34 PM
^


Republicans can kiss their wrinkled old behinds goodbye, because even their current supporters (or especially) will finally feel the full effects of being shafted.


several months ago I would have fully believed ^ this....but I have started to see that the GOP (and Trump) supporters will stick with them thru thick and thin, even if many do get shafted.

What is of dire importance to these staunch GOP diehards (of which there are many)...is that efforts are made to keep out "foreigners"...and to make sure that "white American power structure" is not challenged or threatened. Thus as long as the GOP keeps appealing to their bigotry, xenophobia, and isolationism....little else will matter come election time!

History has shown us that hate is a powerful motivating force for many...and if it can be tapped into like Trump did; it can be a very valuable asset, as shown by his victory.........because under ordinary circumstances this deviously corrupt man, should never even come close to winning the GOp nomination...much less the presidency.
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 4131
Why does the GOP keep clinging to its particpation trophy?
Posted: 9/21/2017 4:55:32 PM
"several months ago I would have fully believed ^ this....but I have started to see that the GOP (and Trump) supporters will stick with them thru thick and thin, even if many do get shafted."


Wrong. You might be surprised in 2018 who gets replaced. :)
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 4132
Why does the GOP keep clinging to its particpation trophy?
Posted: 9/22/2017 9:33:19 AM
some elected repub congress people already have strongly supported challengers.


just unfix the ballot laws that favor incumbents and even more would be replaced.
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 4133
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 12:27:16 PM

Msg: 4144
If this goes through, as is, and based on the likelihood of “But will anyone listen to them after this debacle is finally and mercifully over?” - Republicans can kiss their wrinkled old behinds goodbye, because even their current supporters (or especially) will finally feel the full effects of being shafted.


If the latest report is true, John McCain put the last nail in the coffin to the GOP Health Care plan. The republicans had SEVEN YEARS to come up with a ACA replacement and they choked. I guess its easy to rant and rail against a program than to offer a better solution like the pile of manure they are offering for the second time.

MAGA – Morons Are Governing America.
 Canandaigua_Momma
Joined: 12/16/2015
Msg: 4134
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Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 12:43:19 PM
Our country learned that Sen. John McCain is the most powerful force with regard to healthcare.
Nearly everyone had their focus on him, every press conference he held, and how he was feeling.
 funchesf
Joined: 6/27/2014
Msg: 4135
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 1:26:23 PM

If the latest report is true, John McCain put the last nail in the coffin to the GOP Health Care plan

McCain is in such an awkward position ...he appears to be the deciding vote for or against affordable healthcare while suffering from an illness that he might not be able to survive if he couldn't afford the treatments

and is the illiness affecting or influencing an otherwise yes vote to the "Just Let The Poor People Die Healthcare Act"

also McCain is Christian ....how can a Christian justify being against The Affordable Healthcare Act or in that case "Free Healthcare"

JUSTIFICATION
it takes lots of money...oops...er..I meant lots of Tithes to pave the streets of Heaven with gold so why should Jesus heal the sick or The Lord Almighty answer the prays of non-believers or anyone with pre-existing illnesses that can't afford to give Tithes
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 4136
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 2:16:54 PM
have things improved since the aca?
""""Public-health data from the Centers for Disease Control confirm what one might expect from a health-care reform that expanded Medicaid coverage for adults: no improvement. In fact, things have gotten worse. Age-adjusted death rates in the U.S. have consistently declined for decades, but in 2015 — unlike in 19 of the previous 20 years — they increased. For the first time since 1993, life expectancy fell. Had mortality continued to decline during ACA implementation in 2014 and 2015 at the same rate as during the 2000–13 period, 80,000 fewer Americans would have died in 2015 alone."""


will more die due to lack of aca?
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 4137
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 2:40:40 PM
"also McCain is Christian"

I don't know about that. And if he suddenly announces his brain cancer is cured....I'm gonna call him the Antichrist! :O



"....how can a Christian justify being against The Affordable Healthcare Act or in that case "Free Healthcare"


Didn't your Momma teach'cha ain't nuttin' "free" in this World?

And Lordy! The amount I am spending a month on health ins. is almost a mortgage payment! Sheesh! I'm at the point of selling my heathens!
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 4138
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 3:04:01 PM
I'm thinking we owe Mr. Kim... a big thank you...

He finally came up with the definitive Trump name... We can now know him as... Dotard Trump... or... "The Dotard"...

I'm at the point of selling my heathens!

A quick google search can give you a good idea... where that might be possible to accomplish... Probably not legally but do-able anyway...
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 4139
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 3:12:58 PM
Given the stats in the following article, it would appear that the U.S. drug epidemic has far more to do with the ambiguous stats provided in Oren Cass' article cited above attempting to relate mortality to the ACA: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/05/upshot/opioid-epidemic-drug-overdose-deaths-are-rising-faster-than-ever.html?mcubz=1

The full Oren Cass article: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445260/obamacare-no-lives-saved
 funchesf
Joined: 6/27/2014
Msg: 4140
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 3:37:56 PM

Posted By: deetristate
have things improved since the aca?

yes...millions of Americans that didn't have Healthcare now have it ....thanks to Romney ...oops...er..I meant Obama


Posted By: deetristate
""""Public-health data from the Centers for Disease Control confirm what one might expect from a health-care reform that expanded Medicaid coverage for adults: no improvement. In fact, things have gotten worse. Age-adjusted death rates in the U.S. have consistently declined for decades, but in 2015 — unlike in 19 of the previous 20 years — they increased. For the first time since 1993, life expectancy fell. Had mortality continued to decline during ACA implementation in 2014 and 2015 at the same rate as during the 2000–13 period, 80,000 fewer Americans would have died in 2015 alone."""

have you ever stated this to any of your sick family and/or friends?


Posted By: deetristate
will more die due to lack of aca?

there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth


Posted By: Kj521
I don't know about that. And if he suddenly announces his brain cancer is cured....I'm gonna call him the Antichrist! :O

Trump has the Antichrist position filled


Posted By: Kj521
Didn't your Momma teach'cha ain't nuttin' "free" in this World?

is that something you say on a first Date?


Posted By: Kj521
And Lordy! The amount I am spending a month on health ins. is almost a mortgage payment! Sheesh! I'm at the point of selling my heathens!

the same can be said about "Flood Insurance" .. yet both philosophies are reevaluated whenever one has a flood or a major illness
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 4141
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 3:53:22 PM
"Trump has the Antichrist position filled"

Haven't seen evidence of that yet. But if I do....I'll let you know.



"is that something you say on a first Date?"

Yes. I believe in being upfront. I ask them if their insurance covers psychiatric care cause they're gonna need it....I will drive them CRAZY!

So far....hasn't scared any away. Think they might be misinterpreting that as a pick up line. ;) ;)



"the same can be said about "Flood Insurance" .. yet both philosophies are reevaluated whenever one has a flood or a major illness"

True. But Flood Insurance....won't matter if the Bank just foreclosed on your house when the flood comes. :/
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 4142
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 4:22:08 PM
#4153


I'm thinking we owe Mr. Kim... a big thank you...


without a doubt


He finally came up with the definitive Trump name... We can now know him as... Dotard Trump... or... "The Dotard"..


and no matter how far apart certain cultures are....Knowing a "tard" when we see one...is the one thing we humans ALL have in common.

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4156


"Trump has the Antichrist position filled"

Haven't seen evidence of that yet. But if I do....I'll let you know.


this is the 1 thing that you can take Funch at his word.............he has first hand information on it!
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 4143
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 4:44:59 PM
The National Review article gets its Republican ideas about ACA from the Manhattan Institute:

"The Manhattan Institute for Policy Research is a think tank whose mission is to develop and disseminate new ideas that foster greater economic choice and individual responsibility.
The Institute serves as a leading voice of free-market ideas, shaping political culture since our founding in 1977. Ideas that have changed the United States and its urban areas for the better—welfare reform, tort reform, proactive policing, and supply-side tax policies, among others—are the heart of MI’s legacy. While continuing with what is tried and true, we are constantly developing new ways of advancing our message in the battle of ideas."

"The new research hasn’t stopped the debate over the Affordable Care Act, of course. It’s simply shifted the terms a bit. Yes, the law’s critics agree, it appears that Obamacare is making people healthier. But the cost is high, they say—too high to justify.
"In 2011, for example, a paper by Tal Gross and Matthew J. Notowidigdo in the Journal of Public Economics found that expanding Medicaid eligibility by 10 percent reduced personal bankruptcies by 8 percent."

https://newrepublic.com/article/117774/obamacare-cost-benefit-analysis-saving-lives-just-part-it

it sure is an argument, and it will be interesting to see what the CBO has to say about the plan, tho even the GOP is considering not voting for it. The block grants given freely to states, however, seem sketchy.
 funchesf
Joined: 6/27/2014
Msg: 4144
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 6:17:16 PM

Posted By: Kj521
Haven't seen evidence of that yet. But if I do....I'll let you know.

while searching his scalp for the "666 evidence" watch out for his hands because he's known to grab things


Posted By: Kj521
Yes. I believe in being upfront. I ask them if their insurance covers psychiatric care cause they're gonna need it....I will drive them CRAZY!

like in Fatal Attraction when Glenn Close boiled the bunny?


Posted By: Kj521
So far....hasn't scared any away. Think they might be misinterpreting that as a pick up line. ;) ;)

if they misinterpret that as a pick up line...then you are the one that should be scared


Posted By: Kj521
True. But Flood Insurance....won't matter if the Bank just foreclosed on your house when the flood comes. :/

seem like the Bank foreclosure was a Godsend ....but if you have trouble paying the mortgage due to buying affordable Healthcare then you might consider getting more affording Housing

remember you're not obligated to get Obamacare ...clearly the Ponzie Schemers ...oops ..er.. I meant clearly the Insurance Companies offer far more affordable Healthcare than Obama's ACA .......


Posted By: yule liquor
this is the 1 thing that you can take Funch at his word.............he has first hand information on it!

only due to you Mephistopheles ....oops ..er.. I meant yule liquor
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 4145
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 6:46:09 PM
"while searching his scalp for the "666 evidence" watch out for his hands because he's known to grab things"

Not a problem....cause I need to check the hands, too. ;)



"like in Fatal Attraction when Glenn Close boiled the bunny?"

Don't be silly! Much more subtle...and slow....than that. Ask my late husband. Oh wait! You can't.:/



"seem like the Bank foreclosure was a Godsend ."

Sure. Being homeless during a flood is fantastic! But hey at least you have insurance. Maybe those papers will come in handy to dry yourself off with. :)


"but if you have trouble paying the mortgage due to buying affordable Healthcare then you might consider getting more affording Housing"

In order to determine this^^^^You have to....define...."affordable" Healthcare.



Just out of curiosity.....how much do you pay for healthcare? :)
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 4146
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 7:23:04 PM
you are middle class, kj.
the left does not concern itself with you.
when it makes you poor or homeless, they will hear you. and care.

did your healthcare costs compete with your mortgage before obamacare?

are you obligated to get flood insurance like you are obligated to get health insurance, including bells and whistles you don't need or want, under obamacare? is the government making you buy it?

i loved the referencing to unrelated statistics and the conjecture and the source questioning because the facts could not be disputed.

at least not with those references.

why pretend that obamacare works when it doesn't? if kj ( or someone like her) loses her house, that is fine to them as long as people who pay nothing or close to nothing get theirs, I guess.


one day it will dawn on them that health insurance, particularly when deductibles are too high to use it, is not health care.
-------------------
which sick fsmily and friends? under what circumstances? why? how is that rekevant? it sounds clever, though, even if not apropos.
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 4147
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 7:33:11 PM
Damn! I thought I was boughie! :/

Before the unaffordable care act....I could actually afford the premium...copays and deductibles. I thank God my husband and I had that insurance when he was battling cancer.

The thing that worries me? My husband had an inherited type cancer. We have two children. Don't need to be a geneticist to figure out the implications here. ;)
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 4148
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/22/2017 7:56:48 PM
just the deductible alone, kj.

"""""
Those cheap Obamacare plans are getting even more expensive.
Deductibles for individuals enrolled in the lowest-priced Obamacare health plans will average more than $6,000 in 2017, the first time that threshold has been cracked in the three years that Affordable Care Act marketplaces have been in business, a new analysis finds.
Families enrolled in bronze plans will have average deductibles of $12,393, according to the study by the consumer insurance comparison site HealthPocket.""""""

this needs to be fixed.



What cham raised about opiods was interesting. this is one analysis:

""What happens when we calculate the death rate after excluding all external causes of morbidity (ICD-10 codes for deaths caused by drugs, alcohol, assault, suicide, and accidents—in short, anything that is not due to an internal illness)? For the decade 2004-2013, the death rate is 247.4 people per 100,000 population. It is more stable than the all-cause death rate, with a low of 244.7, a high of 249.9, and a standard deviation of 1.7.

With Obamacare extending insurance to 15 million more people, this death rate should fall to 238 per 100,000. The 2014-15 data show the actual reported death rate among U.S. adults, excluding external causes, is … 252.9.

This is equivalent to an excess 11,000 annual U.S. adult deaths relative to the pre-Obamacare steady state trends, and more than 32,000 annual deaths greater than predicted by academic studies quantifying health benefits from improved insurance coverage. It is more than three standard deviations higher than the pre-Obamacare mean mortality, and it has persisted for the two full years, 2014—15, for which mortality data have been compiled. It is not a statistical aberration. ( ) Whoa""""""
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 4149
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/23/2017 12:03:36 AM
"the left does not concern itself with the middle class"

>>>unlike the GOP, letting auto industry jobs die, killing unions that represent the working stiff, choosing big business as allies, passing tax cuts for the rich so the middle class have to pay, creating real estate recessions that hit the middle class's biggest investment (their house), and so on...

"are you obligated to get flood insurance?"

>>>in most states, one has to get auto insurance in order to have car. Funny how that isn't an issue. As for flood insurance, yes,

"The NFIP was established in 1968 as part of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). Five years later, flood insurance became mandatory for properties located in flood zones when those properties had mortgages from federally regulated lenders"

http://www.insure.com/flood-insurance/flood-insurance-problems.html

but hey, if you really want to rail against flood insurance subsidizing people building in places they shouldn't (coastal libs, coastal conservatives and Mississippi River flyovers)...here ya go!

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/10-things-politicians-wont-tell-you-about-femas-flood-insurance-2017-08-28

There's a scandal red states seem to be real quiet about. Health insurance sure ain't cheap, as we live older. A GOP Congress refusing to fund a plan doesn't help.
 funchesf
Joined: 6/27/2014
Msg: 4150
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 9/23/2017 8:23:26 AM

Posted By: Kj521
Sure. Being homeless during a flood is fantastic! But hey at least you have insurance. Maybe those papers will come in handy to dry yourself off with. :)

if the bank foreclosed on your home then why would you need flood insurance? and since you're no longer paying a mortgage why can't you use that money to get affordable housing and not be homeless?


Posted By: Kj521
In order to determine this^^^^You have to....define...."affordable" Healthcare.

"affordable" in this case would be defined as... if you can afford non-essentials like a cellphone or a computer with internet access...then you can afford affordable Healthcare


Posted By: deetristate
you are middle class, kj.
the left does not concern itself with you.

if those pesky leftist liberals didn't concern itself with the middle class ... neither you nor Kj521 would have the right to vote


Posted By: deetristate
are you obligated to get flood insurance like you are obligated to get health insurance,

pretty sure flood victims along with the government wish that citizens were forced to get Flood Insurance ....to help pay for the devastation caused by the Flood .....which in the end the Government is "forced" to pay for


Posted By: deetristate
why pretend that obamacare works when it doesn't?

ask that to someone that's getting treatment for an illness that they otherwise couldn't afford


Posted By: deetristate
which sick fsmily and friends? under what circumstances? why? how is that rekevant? it sounds clever, though, even if not apropos.

because once your family or friends fall ill... Healthcare cease being political ....victims cease being stats and become Human ...in other words... your heart cease being cold and non-compassionate


Posted By: Kj521
Before the unaffordable care act....I could actually afford the premium...copays and deductibles

use that ten percent of your income you give to the church to pay for your Healthcare ..... as a Christian... affordable Healthcare would fall under "Let The Lord Almighty heal you" ......why do the Faithful even go to the Doctor ... clearly a lack of Faith


Posted By: Kj521
I thank God my husband and I had that insurance when he was battling cancer.

alas...you can find those that will say the same about Obamacare
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