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 BigBadNIrish
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Bawahahahahahahahaha...how fvcking stupid are the people in the tRump administration (and its' fans):


Trump Administration Rejects Study Showing Positive Impact of Refugees
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS and SOMINI SENGUPTASEPT. 18, 2017


WASHINGTON — Trump administration officials, under pressure from the White House to provide a rationale for reducing the number of refugees allowed into the United States next year, rejected a study by the Department of Health and Human Services that found that refugees brought in $63 billion more in government revenues over the past decade than they cost.

The draft report, which was obtained by The New York Times, contradicts a central argument made by advocates of deep cuts in refugee totals as President Trump faces an Oct. 1 deadline to decide on an allowable number. The issue has sparked intense debate within his administration as opponents of the program, led by Mr. Trump’s chief policy adviser, Stephen Miller, assert that continuing to welcome refugees is too costly and raises concerns about terrorism.

Advocates of the program inside and outside the administration say refugees are a major benefit to the United States, paying more in taxes than they consume in public benefits, and filling jobs in service industries that others will not. But research documenting their fiscal upside — prepared for a report mandated by Mr. Trump in a March presidential memorandum implementing his travel ban — never made its way to the White House. Some of those proponents believe the report was suppressed.

The internal study, which was completed in late July but never publicly released, found that refugees “contributed an estimated $269.1 billion in revenues to all levels of government” between 2005 and 2014 through the payment of federal, state and local taxes. “Overall, this report estimated that the net fiscal impact of refugees was positive over the 10-year period, at $63 billion.”

But White House officials said those conclusions were illegitimate and politically motivated, and were disproved by the final report issued by the agency, which asserts that the per-capita cost of a refugee is higher than that of an American....

The three-page report the agency ultimately submitted, dated Sept. 5, does just that, using government data to compare the costs of refugees to Americans and making no mention of revenues contributed by refugees.

“In an average year over the 10-year period, per-capita refugee costs for major H.H.S. programs totaled $3,300,” it says. “Per-person costs for the U.S. population were lower, at $2,500, reflecting a greater participation of refugees in H.H.S. programs, especially during their first four years” in the United States.

It was not clear who in the administration decided to keep the information out of the final report. An internal email, dated Sept. 5 and sent among officials from government agencies involved in refugee issues, said that “senior leadership is questioning the assumptions used to produce the report.” A separate email said that Mr. Miller had requested a meeting to discuss the report. The Times was shown the emails on condition that the sender not be identified. Mr. Miller personally intervened in the discussions on the refugee cap to ensure that only the costs — not any fiscal benefit — of the program were considered, according to two people familiar with the talks.
 gtomustang
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:33:55 PM
and Mexico ain't the only one with an earthquake:

"President Donald Trump's pick for US ambassador to Russia, former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, told lawmakers Tuesday that there is "no question Russia interfered in the US election last summer."

Appearing in his nomination hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations committee, Huntsman said the interference in the election has directly led to the low level of trust between Moscow and Washington.
The US government publicly announced in October that it was "confident" Russia orchestrated the hacking of the Democratic National Committee in the lead-up to the election."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/huntsman-no-question-russia-interfered-in-us-election/ar-AAse6Lr?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

Golly, the Dems were right! More accurate than Chump's claim.

huh, so immigrants added $63 Billion to America. Boy, we should stop that and thus MAGA.
 chameleonf
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:50:25 PM

President Donald Trump's pick for US ambassador to Russia, former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, told lawmakers Tuesday that there is "no question Russia interfered in the US election last summer."

Appearing in his nomination hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations committee, Huntsman said the interference in the election has directly led to the low level of trust between Moscow and Washington.


Wouldn't it just have been simpler for Huntsman to say, "I don't want the job"?? lol
 John252817
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Posted: 9/19/2017 7:19:30 PM
"Wouldn't it just have been simpler for Huntsman to say, "I don't want the job"?? lol"

Well Shame, you epitomize the liberals and their "we could care less if someone says something we agree with if they are not of our party". You could care less about unity or the definition of it. You and your "lol" speaks volumes....YIKES!!!
 chameleonf
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Posted: 9/19/2017 7:36:36 PM
^^^mannn, what they keep saying about you here is readily apparent by the above. Thick as a brick.
 John252817
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Posted: 9/19/2017 7:49:24 PM
"mann" ????????^^^^^^^^ Shame, you are a piece of work....YIKES!!! I understand why you can't reply to the post, it won't sound good for ya...YIKES!!!
 Yule_liquor
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Posted: 9/20/2017 6:27:07 AM
Just when you thought you heard it all!

Get a load of this

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-using-campaign-rnc-funds-to-pay-legal-bills-from-russia-probe-sources/ar-AAsenx7?li=BBnb7Kz

The GOP is giving "donated" money to Trump to pay legal fees in the Russia probe!!!........................LOL

The GOP should have a new MOTTO

"Won't you be a SAP......and send some money ASAP....to kindly help a (corrupt) Billionaire pay his legal fees"

 gtomustang
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:30:59 AM
Chump did a record-poor job at raising money for the GOP at the beginning, claiming he wouldn't need it as a self-funding campaign. Now the GOP will ship "good money after bad", hoping to dig themselves out of this hole. Guess future candidates may not have a "war chest" to run on, oh what a pity :)

I think the GOP should stick to its old motto:

trust us with your money, we're fiscally responsible, can't you see?
 gtomustang
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Posted: 9/20/2017 2:06:04 PM
oh, and now there's a tax bill to screw small companies:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/small-business/6-small-business-bombshells-in-trumps-tax-plan/ar-AAsgK51?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

that should help out the economy, which everyone tells us the small business has a big part in.
 _mungojoe_
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Posted: 9/20/2017 2:42:23 PM

"mann" ????????^^^^^^^^


Ummm... no...

She posted

^^^mannn

See the difference...? No...? well... you would if you were even a tiny bit less the pathetic stupid fvck...
 from site to sight
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Posted: 9/20/2017 4:52:54 PM

The GOP is giving "donated" money to Trump to pay legal fees in the Russia probe!!!........................LOL


That's a laugh: Giving money for legal fees to the guy who said he would pay the legal fees if his goon supporters got arrested for beating up protesters at his rally. I can hardly wait for the amount Trump asks for, to get hurricane relief aid to fix up Mar-a-Lago.
 John252817
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Posted: 9/21/2017 5:04:02 AM
mung, those spiders behind your ears, are they pets??? YIKES!!!!I see your eighth grade education is working hard!!!
 Yule_liquor
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Posted: 9/21/2017 6:13:14 AM
Trump to African leaders

"many of my 'friends' are going over to Africa to GET RICH"

which is what the white man has been doing in Africa since the 1500's....hey, but why stop now, when you can easily rip off pple in desparate situations
 MizPurl
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Posted: 9/21/2017 6:18:38 AM
^^^Out of the mouth of Mr. Stupid.......what a bozo.
His speech even had the new guy hired to babysit him....groaning and sitting with his head in his hands.
But Trump walked away...thinking he was great!
 gtomustang
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Posted: 9/21/2017 7:03:19 AM
and now the GOP repeal of Obamacare, rushed past the CBO, wants to give block money to the states to do with what they wish....in other words...slush funds open to potential abuse, no rules on how they should be spent.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-latest-obamacare-repeal-bill-is-modeled-after-welfare-reform-that-was-a-failure/ar-AAsgSgZ?ocid=spartandhp

how is that fiscally responsible, again?

Meanwhile, a funny article on how Big Business runs things so well....Henry Ford's push to grow soybeans in order to sell tractors, may have been a stepping stone to antibiotics in our food supply:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/blame-henry-ford-for-deadly-superbugs/ar-AAsfekg?ocid=spartandhp
 Yule_liquor
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Posted: 9/21/2017 7:53:23 AM
^


and now the GOP repeal of Obamacare, rushed past the CBO, wants to give block money to the states to do with what they wish....in other words...slush funds open to potential abuse, no rules on how they should be spent.


I think McCain will be the "pivot man" here; if they can flip Mccain over, then the repeal will pass (unless Murkowski or Collins get flipped first). The funny thing is how this system is so rigged. The bill couldn't pass in July with the same set of lawmakers involved but now they found a way (through reconciliation) to do it again.

That is kinda like having to re-play the Superbowl...because the losing side, didn't like the outcome....whatta joke!
 chameleonf
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Posted: 9/21/2017 11:05:57 AM
Wonder how long Tillerson will keep putting up with Trump's stupidity: http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/trump-told-reporters-he%e2%80%99d-made-up-his-mind-on-the-iran-nuclear-deal-he-didn%e2%80%99t-warn-his-secretary-of-state/ar-AAsjdVR?li=AAggNb9&ocid=u143dhp
 gtomustang
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Posted: 9/21/2017 11:58:55 AM
"That is kinda like having to re-play the Superbowl...because the losing side, didn't like the outcome....whatta joke! "

>>>the joke is it comes from the deplorables who keep saying, "your candidate lost, why won't you accept that?" Its long past time the deplorables accept they lost at Obamacare, and start asking their representatives to pay for it, not sidetrack the $$ into paying for YouTube ads trying to shoot it down again.
 chameleonf
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Posted: 9/21/2017 12:28:31 PM
This is pretty much what it boils down to, not what is best for the citizens:


Grassley was even more blunt.

“You know, I could maybe give you 10 reasons why this bill shouldn’t be considered,” he told local reporters this week. “But Republicans campaigned on this so often that you have a responsibility to carry out what you said in the campaign. That’s pretty much as much of a reason as the substance of the bill.”

So when you cut through the salesmanship around state flexibility and the evils of Obamacare, Senate Republicans will tell you right to your face why Graham-Cassidy, a bill nobody had taken seriously until a week ago, might very well pass the chamber in the next few days. They promised to repeal Obamacare, and this is the only Obamacare repeal bill left.

That’s it.

Such an abdication of any coherent policy vision has other Republicans in Washington, particularly those well studied in health policy, baffled.

“I think this process with Graham-Cassidy is an embarrassment on top of the previous embarrassments — the cherry on top, if you will,” a second GOP health care lobbyist told me. “A sweeping revision of federal-state roles in and funding arrangements for health care, with one hearing, no markups, no CBO score. Good grief.”

“I still believe conservatives and Republicans have strong ideas for improving how health care is financed and delivered,” the lobbyist continued. “But will anyone listen to them after this debacle is finally and mercifully over?”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/21/16339524/republicans-obamacare-repeal-graham-cassidy-nobody-cares

If this goes through, as is, and based on the likelihood of “But will anyone listen to them after this debacle is finally and mercifully over?” - Republicans can kiss their wrinkled old behinds goodbye, because even their current supporters (or especially) will finally feel the full effects of being shafted.
 Yule_liquor
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Posted: 9/21/2017 4:52:34 PM
^


Republicans can kiss their wrinkled old behinds goodbye, because even their current supporters (or especially) will finally feel the full effects of being shafted.


several months ago I would have fully believed ^ this....but I have started to see that the GOP (and Trump) supporters will stick with them thru thick and thin, even if many do get shafted.

What is of dire importance to these staunch GOP diehards (of which there are many)...is that efforts are made to keep out "foreigners"...and to make sure that "white American power structure" is not challenged or threatened. Thus as long as the GOP keeps appealing to their bigotry, xenophobia, and isolationism....little else will matter come election time!

History has shown us that hate is a powerful motivating force for many...and if it can be tapped into like Trump did; it can be a very valuable asset, as shown by his victory.........because under ordinary circumstances this deviously corrupt man, should never even come close to winning the GOp nomination...much less the presidency.
 Kj521
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Posted: 9/21/2017 4:55:32 PM
"several months ago I would have fully believed ^ this....but I have started to see that the GOP (and Trump) supporters will stick with them thru thick and thin, even if many do get shafted."


Wrong. You might be surprised in 2018 who gets replaced. :)
 deetristate
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Posted: 9/22/2017 9:33:19 AM
some elected repub congress people already have strongly supported challengers.


just unfix the ballot laws that favor incumbents and even more would be replaced.
 LLove2LaughToo
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Posted: 9/22/2017 12:27:16 PM

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If this goes through, as is, and based on the likelihood of “But will anyone listen to them after this debacle is finally and mercifully over?” - Republicans can kiss their wrinkled old behinds goodbye, because even their current supporters (or especially) will finally feel the full effects of being shafted.


If the latest report is true, John McCain put the last nail in the coffin to the GOP Health Care plan. The republicans had SEVEN YEARS to come up with a ACA replacement and they choked. I guess its easy to rant and rail against a program than to offer a better solution like the pile of manure they are offering for the second time.

MAGA – Morons Are Governing America.
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Posted: 9/22/2017 12:43:19 PM
Our country learned that Sen. John McCain is the most powerful force with regard to healthcare.
Nearly everyone had their focus on him, every press conference he held, and how he was feeling.
 funchesf
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Posted: 9/22/2017 1:26:23 PM

If the latest report is true, John McCain put the last nail in the coffin to the GOP Health Care plan

McCain is in such an awkward position ...he appears to be the deciding vote for or against affordable healthcare while suffering from an illness that he might not be able to survive if he couldn't afford the treatments

and is the illiness affecting or influencing an otherwise yes vote to the "Just Let The Poor People Die Healthcare Act"

also McCain is Christian ....how can a Christian justify being against The Affordable Healthcare Act or in that case "Free Healthcare"

JUSTIFICATION
it takes lots of money...oops...er..I meant lots of Tithes to pave the streets of Heaven with gold so why should Jesus heal the sick or The Lord Almighty answer the prays of non-believers or anyone with pre-existing illnesses that can't afford to give Tithes
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