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 HawkingJr
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“As used in that sentence, is 'Monkey' a Noun or a Verb?”

“to monkey” is a full infinitive, with infinitive by definition being a verb, although arguably an informal one in this case. Quite frankly, I have my doubts DeSantis was intentionally using “monkey” in a racist context, but I’m not sure being ignorant or careless about language with racial connotations is any better qualification for being governor of the country’s largest and most diverse swing state than actually being racist. When *Fox News* recognizes and then condemns the racial connotations in the language of a candidate it is clearly in the tank for (if there was no Fox News, there would be no DeSantis-Florida GOP governor nominee), no matter how anti-PC you might be, I think you have to step back for a second and wonder about the wisdom of a supposedly intelligent white candidate using that word in any way in reference to his black opponent. Just plain stupid.

Also, let’s look at what he said even before “monkey” directly about Gillum: “you know, he is an articulate spokesman for those far-left views” – “articulate” has frequently been used by racists as a backhanded compliment to well-spoken black people, or really more any black person that doesn’t sound “black” to them. I almost punched a white classmate’s teeth out once for calling me “articulate” (of course, he also said a lot of OUTWARDLY racist stuff along with “articulate,” like “You don’t sound like them other n-words”). Honestly, I think the whole thing was just an ignorant faux pas at this point because I’ve seen little other evidence that DeSantis is racist, though there is the argument that he hasn’t been given much of an opportunity to be so up until now. However, being perhaps the number 1 Congressional defender of the most racist-acting president in history is not helping his cause – there are a lot of other white people I’d just automatically give a pass on what he did, but I’m highly reluctant to do so in this case due to the company he keeps.

“Ps....spoiler alert...DeSantis and Scott are gonna win Florida.”

I think you may be right with DeSantis. The only reason the same people who voted for Scott and would have voted for Putnam wouldn’t rally around him vs. Gillum is if some have soured on Trump, since DeSantis is Trump’s Frankenstein monster, but what scares me far more are the people that would have voted for Graham or Levine that can’t stomach voting for Gillum and will sit home (arguably the same was somewhat true of the Gillum supporters who couldn’t stomach Graham, though you think they would have learned their lesson after the whole Clinton-Sanders fiasco). Gillum’s only real chance is to prove that he’s the next coming of Obama... which YOU may laugh at, but recall, Obama won Florida twice... with a majority both times. Clinton only lost Florida because she was tinged with corruption so many Obama voters couldn’t stomach her (also, she wasn’t black, which appeared to help Obama more than hurt him).

Also, the total Republican vote in the primary was only slightly ahead of 2010, the last competitive GOP primary – Democrats were slightly behind the Republicans but almost double 2010. So there are positive signs for Gillum, but overall, I just think that even though Florida voted for Obama twice, it’s somehow still too racist to elect Gillum, and maybe too conservative to elect Gillum, who is acting far more liberal than Obama did. DeSantis is not too far to the right for a state that elected Scott and Bush, who aren’t demonstrably different in policy than DeSantis – they just aren’t buddy-buddy with Trump like he is. And don’t forget: Trump did not win a majority in Florida. If any progressive-ish candidate with any clout tries to go third party in the governor’s race, Gillum is dead in the water.

Scott is another story. The polls are kinda scary right now (as in CLOSE scary), but Scott did not win a majority either time while Nelson has had substantial majorities every time he won, though admittedly against crappy GOP candidates. With Trump and Scott under water (and Scott at times having been the least popular governor in the country), and the GOP brand rather unpopular, on paper it doesn’t seem like there is any way Nelson should lose, but again the polls say something else entirely.

But also polling in Florida has been questionable as of late: although Gillum was surging in the polls at the end, he was never really close to Graham in any of them and usually in third or fourth place, while DeSantis, who was certainly leading all polls going into the election, far over delivered even the most optimistic of polls with a nearly 2 to 1 victory. I’m a hard core pro-statistics guy considering that is my actual occupation and I have defended the 2016 polls time and time again as accurate in the end, but Florida polling this year may be messed up. Or maybe Florida is just tired of Bill Nelson, or maybe he hasn’t even begun to fight. One thing’s for certain: he gets 4.5 million votes like he did last time, Scott is toast considering the most votes he’s ever gotten is 2.9 million, and I’m pretty sure that’s about his ceiling. Yeah, Nelson rode Obama’s coattails in 2012... so will Gillum be this year’s Obama? (You laugh again, but Obama’s current national approval rating is nearly 20 points higher than Trump’s. And Scott’s.)

"Sooooo.. If someone die in USA is The President's Fault....Got it.!!
If there is a natural disaster is USA is the president's fault.....Got that too.!!"

Not generally, but if they died while waiting for help from the president during the disaster, then, yes, he has some responsibility -- and nearly all of those 3000 died long after Maria was gone and Trump had finished tossing out his paper towels. I'm not about to sit here and claim I know what all Trump could have done to prevent those people from dying, although I have heard a number of people involved with the recovery list many things they felt like the federal government failed on that could have saved lives -- most importantly, in comparison to how the government responded with Harvey and Irma a couple weeks earlier, but in my one and only slight defense of Trump today, I would also say having the country's emergency, rescue and recovery resources stretched so thin by 3 Cat 4s making direct landfall within 2 weeks of each other was not helpful. But counterpoint: 2004 had almost exactly the same thing happen, all to one state (mine), and the dead total was in the dozens, not thousands.
 apriloveswhiteroses
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Posted: 8/30/2018 7:58:27 AM
^^

There are videos showing the food arriving to PR on time.., there are videos proving how they wasted food and people not wanting to help on distribution of it... There is proof of everything but LIBERALs dont care about it...they ONLY care about FAKE NEWS with the intention of obstruct the president's agenda.... Intelligent people do not care anymore about your FAKE NEWS...By now They grew up tired of liberal lack of ethical and moral behavior against half of the American people... Nobody deserves to be disrespected this way by this liberals liars.......:(:(
 Rumours
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Posted: 8/30/2018 8:40:57 AM
^^^Wow..April… You're sounding like you're off your meds.

First...You say everything is FAKE NEWS but there are videos proving things.
Let me guess...Did the food come from that Pizza joint that Hilary was running a child sex ring?
That's the Real news from the Rights....too funny.
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 8/30/2018 8:54:58 AM
Your favorite democrat slamming obama, saying he's letting poor blacks be poisoned:

Dear President Obama --

Finally, after months of us begging you to come to Flint, you've decided to visit next Wednesday. I know this will make many people happy and grateful. But, as one who voted for you twice and was thrilled beyond belief over your election, I'm sorry to tell you your visit is too little too late.

You say you're coming to "listen to the people of Flint." Sir, they've been poisoned for two damn years. You've known about it since October. There's nothing to listen to. Unless you're bringing the entire U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to dig up and replace the 75,000 lead pipes, plus the Attorney General to arrest Governor Rick Snyder, then this is just another photo-op and half-baked list of new promises we don't need. If you're coming to make one of those "we need to rebuild America's infrastructure" speeches, don't bother. This is NOT an infrastructure problem - it's a hate crime and mass poisoning of Black and poor people that NEVER would happen if this were Bloomfield Hills or Grosse Pointe or any other white town. It was done in order to give a billion-dollar tax cut to the rich. Every child here now has some form of permanent brain damage. There is NOTHING you can do to reverse that for them. There is no cure. Again, they are Black, they are poor. Do you have a cure for that? Because THAT's the only reason why this has happened. Flint's infrastructure was just fine (or what passes for fine these days in the USA). This poisoning happened because the governor said "Cut services!" -- and so one of the first services he cut was to seal off the clean drinking water pipeline from the Great Lakes and make the poor and the Black of Flint drink dirty water from the drainage ditch you and others call "the Flint River." We haven't called it that for years. I'd drink my own piss before I'd drink out of that sewer.

We don't need any more visits from politicians, even one as beloved as you. We don't need any more promises of testing. We don't need any more token digging up of pipes made rancid by the Flint River water that flowed through them (of the 75,000 pipes that need replacing, a total of 39 - 39!! - have been dug up and removed since you met with the mayor in the White House back in January). Meanwhile the poisoning continues on daily basis, even with the Lake Huron water that has been restored because it's flowing through lead-damaged pipes with a new chemical that now burns people's skin.

So unless you're bringing the U.S. Army with you to save 100,000 of your fellow Americans, and unless you're going to arrest the governor of Michigan who has now killed more Americans than ISIS, you might as well stay home. The riots here, I'm certain, will begin sometime soon. That's what you or I would do if someone was poisoning OUR kids and the government refused to stop it, right?

With respect, admiration and profound disappointment,

Michael Moore
Flint native
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 N2U18
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I remember a Puerto Rican Police Officer calling a radio station and describing the corruption of the Puerto Rican Government and comparing it to communism. Begging for the full force of the American Military to distribute the aid that the Puerto Rican Government was withholding from those in need.

The Politics being played by Liberals and the Puerto Rican Government, as people suffered, I found sickening.

Turn on the Subtitles/CC and listen to what was really going on. Listen to the fear and desperation in this woman’s voice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uc1pPsKt_s
 mgotd
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Posted: 8/30/2018 9:04:13 AM
^^^ read it again...he is lamenting that Obama could do nothing about it....the criminals who did this to the people of Flynt...Republicans by the way, some of them are now paying the price by going to Jail. What disgusting human beings these people were.....the type of people whom Trump supporters love.....very very Sad.
 mgotd
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Posted: 8/30/2018 9:06:06 AM
Sure N2U18..its not Trump's fault, its those corrupt politicians stealing all of that aid..... the problem with you people is you will believe any fake news that supports your beliefs and reject real news you don't agree with. Sad.
 dragonbytes
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Posted: 8/30/2018 10:03:35 AM

Quite frankly, I have my doubts DeSantis was intentionally using “monkey” in a racist context, but I’m not sure being ignorant or careless about language with racial connotations is any better qualification for being governor of the country’s largest and most diverse swing state than actually being racist.


I wouldn't have thought about it had they not raised a stink about it on the news. I didn't think it was a racial dog whistle, but then again I am white and not hyper-sensitive to it.

Perhaps he used the term to raise his profile, now I at least know who DeSantis is, before this I didn't have a clue.
 tholianatat
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Posted: 8/30/2018 10:25:53 AM
Fake news?

DeSantis Moderates Hate-Filled Facebook Group That Attacks African-Americans, Parkland Survivors and Muslims
By Chad Smith on August 29, 2018.

Ron DeSantis, the Trump-endorsed congressman who won Tuesday’s GOP primary for Florida governor, is an administrator on an active Facebook group where conservatives share racist, conspiratorial and incendiary posts about a litany of targets, including black Americans and South Africans, the “deep state,” survivors of February’s massacre at a Florida high school, immigrants, Muslims and, in recent days, John McCain.

DeSantis was listed as one of the group’s 52 administrators and moderators as of Wednesday. His involvement in the group was first noted by a researcher for Media Matters for America on Tuesday.

DeSantis’s campaign was already defending the congressman from accusations of racial insensitivity after his primary victory.



In an interview with Fox News on Wednesday morning, DeSantis warned voters not to “monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist” by supporting his opponent, Andrew Gillum, the Tallahassee mayor who became Florida’s first black gubernatorial candidate from either party when he won the Democratic nomination Tuesday.

DeSantis’s spokesman Stephen Lawson said DeSantis “was obviously talking about Florida not making the wrong decision to embrace the socialist policies that Andrew Gillum espouses. To characterize it as anything else is absurd,” CNN reported.

DeSantis’s campaign and congressional offices had not returned the Ledger’s emails and phone messages seeking comment about his ties to the Facebook group as of Wednesday afternoon.

The Facebook group, simply named Tea Party, has nearly 95,000 members, and users must join the group to post or comment. The banner for the group is an image of the Confederate, Christian and Gadsden flags flying alongside the flags of the U.S. and Israel. (It isn’t affiliated with the conservative group Tea Party Patriots.)

Members of the group have attacked Black Lives Matter and other African-Americans as “ghetto scum” and ridiculed the teenage survivors of the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., on Feb. 14. Posters have referred to Douglas students David Hogg and Emma Gonzalez as a “Hitler wannabe” and a “bald-headed brat,” respectively, after they became outspoken activists for gun control in the wake of the shooting, during which a former student allegedly shot and killed 17 people.

One member believed the violent far-right rally of neo-Nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., in August 2017 was a hoax, writing in a post liked by 1,600 users that the rally was “orchestrated by the left” to “destroy America.”

In July, Media Matters for America drew attention to the group when it reported that Kelli Ward, an Arizona Republican who lost Tuesday’s primary for senator, and her husband, Michael Ward, were among the group’s administrators. Michael Ward regularly shared posts from his wife’s verified page, solicited donations and called McCain a “strong supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood.”

After McCain died Saturday, members flooded the page with mocking posts, including a satirical headline that read, “President Trump bestows Medal of Honor to John McCain’s tumor.” Another image of a tombstone referred to McCain, a naval aviator who spent five and a half years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam before becoming a senator and Republican nominee for president, as a “traitor to America” and a “friend to the Vietcong.”

The group cheered Trump’s reported reference to African countries as “shitholes,” blamed Islam for terrorism and accused Black Lives Matters activists of plotting to take over the country.

In January, one frequent poster who runs a fake news site shared a link to an article warning of “civil war” in Germany between neo-Nazis and Muslim migrants, according to Media Matters. “I’m actually having to root for neo-Nazis…sad state of affairs!” he wrote.

While mainly a vehicle for attacking liberals, the news media and minorities, the group also regularly praises DeSantis, Ward and President Donald Trump.



Trump was quick to back DeSantis, tweeting in December that DeSantis “would make a GREAT Governor of Florida. He loves our Country and is a true FIGHTER!” DeSantis won easily Tuesday, beating the one-time favorite, state Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam, by nearly 20 percent.

The Facebook group made its disdain for Putnam clear, regularly attacking him as an establishment “puppet.”

According to a timestamp in the group, DeSantis joined on April 28 in the middle of his Fox News-fueled campaign during which he released a TV ad showing his allegiance to Trump by building a “wall” of toy bricks with his daughter and reading Trump’s book to his infant son.

That ad referred to DeSantis as a “conservative warrior.”

On the Facebook group, literal war isn’t far from members’ minds. In a post earlier this week, a member wrote, “In August 2017, a former Navy SEAL warned of dire bloody consequences if Trump is illegally removed from office.” The comments that followed included:

“Civil war if President TRUMP is removed!!!”

“A GOOD IDEA TO LEAVE OUR PRESIDENT ALONE.”

“Lots of us have been preparing for this for years. It’s coming.”

“Going to get a gun permit tomorrow.”
 apriloveswhiteroses
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Posted By: N2U18 on 8/30/2018 11:03:32 AM
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Message: I remember a Puerto Rican Police Officer calling a radio station and describing the corruption of the Puerto Rican Government and comparing it to communism. Begging for the full force of the American Military to distribute the aid that the Puerto Rican Government was withholding from those in need.

The Politics being played by Liberals and the Puerto Rican Government, as people suffered, I found sickening.

Turn on the Subtitles/CC and listen to what was really going on. Listen to the fear and desperation in this woman’s voice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uc1pPsKt_s






^^^
Wow...I was almost crying listening to that.!!
It is sad to see how liberals did play with the suffering of this people just for political reasons, to hurt The president's agenda.!
At the begining she said couldn't say her name because she works for them but she needed to call for USA military help because people are dying and there is a lot of food and water there but the governor and others do not want to give it to the people.. Long lines people asking for food and only one box of water per family..maybe..where she lives are hungry and a lot died ....she can't do anything because the governor was not allowing to distribute the food....

==========
Elections coming soon..these PR gov. Have to GO..
PR people have to Vote him and the others OUT of that office.!?



 Rumours
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Posted: 8/30/2018 10:50:33 AM

the problem with you people is you will believe any fake news that supports your beliefs and reject real news you don't agree with. Sad.

That's the whole gist of normal politics with one side not liking the other...but it's gone to another level with this President.
He was elected because he is a liar and he has always propagated Fake news stories his whole life.
You would have had to have lived under a rock, not to know that he has always been a shyster.

Who pretends to be other people...he's on tape pretending to be John Baron...remember?
Who cheats on all his wives repeatedly and then has the audacity to parade other women out of Clintons?
Who...still to this day, repeats and believes that Obama wasn't born in America?
Who makes fun of disadvantaged people?
Who has businesses in other countries for cheap labor?
Who hires illegals?
Who admits to not paying his taxes?
Who makes up fake Time magazine covers and pastes them on his wall?
He repeatedly lies about Facts...everything is Bigger, Better, Fantastic, Yuge…..
Who carries on a very public feud on social media with a woman because of a joke about his hair?
etc....

^^At the above post 7234
SMH....These people have always been in society. This President makes it OK to kill and hate.
Then blame everyone else.
 HawkingJr
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Posted: 8/30/2018 11:25:14 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/30/politics/trump-lester-holt-nbc/index.html

Now Trump is claiming that NBC “fudged” the Lester Holt interview – as if we can’t see with our own 2 eyes there were no cuts during the part of it in which he confessed to obstruction of justice (firing Comey because of the Russian collusion investigation). “Fudging” video without any cuts to produce the exact opposite of what Trump is suggesting happened would require hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of visual and audio effects. And yet, his cult is undoubtedly believing every word of it (what about you cultists in this thread? Does it look like NBC “fudged” that interview?). This has truly become theater of the absurd. The only people he is fooling at this point are fools. Certainly he’s not fooling Mueller – the Holt interview is probably the #1 thing he wants to talk to him about (since most of the Michael Cohen stuff is not with Mueller but the Southern District of New York). I’d pay good money to see Trump try to talk his way out of that one.

EDITED TO ADD: HOLY CRAP! FOX NEWS CALLED TRUMP A LIAR ON THIS ONE! Fox News is suddenly developing a spine when it comes to Trump!

https://www.mediaite.com/online/foxs-howard-kurtz-sets-fire-to-trumps-claim-lester-holt-fudged-interview-absolutely-not-credible/

“There are videos showing the food arriving to PR on time.., there are videos proving how they wasted food and people not wanting to help on distribution of it...”

Most of those 3000 died from disease, injury or other illness, not hunger (directly). Particularly sepsis, pneumonia and emphysema. Basically, a lack of proper medical care for problems that likely would have been treatable if not for the conditions created by Maria – most in particularly, lack of electricity and clean, potable water, as well as a lack of proper shelter, leading to exposure. There was also heavy damage to hospitals and medical workers were stretched very thin. Apparently most of those who died were elderly or already ill anyway, and Maria just worsened their situations.

Again, it’s difficult to say what the administration and Trump in particular could have done to improve the situation, but claiming publicly Puerto Rico was causing its own problems and blowing a hole in his budget probably wasn’t as helpful as you might imagine it would be. Just out of curiosity, if this had happened under President Hillary Clinton (and it would have – Hurricane Maria, that is, because, as you say, is it Trump’s fault that Puerto Rico was hit by a hurricane?) and there was a 3000 person death toll, what would you be saying right now? Especially if she reluctantly showed up there and said something like “What difference does it make that I’m here?” The main reason Trump is getting blame is because of his callous attitude toward Puerto Rico and this disaster – I promise you no other president or would be president would have gone there and said such bad things about the place and its people in the middle of their misery, whether it’s true or not. It’s like with his behavior toward McCain following both the cancer diagnosis and his death – how do you expect people to react when somebody behaves like that? How would YOU react if he behaved that way toward you in your time of great misery? You think a bully toward other countries and immigrants is a good thing, but a complete lack of empathy toward your own people in bad situations not of their own doing is never going to play well with the majority of Americans and if he’s out there blaming people for things they didn’t do, then you shouldn’t be surprised when he gets blamed for things he may or may not have had a lot of control over.

“Perhaps he used the term to raise his profile, now I at least know who DeSantis is, before this I didn't have a clue.”

Obviously, with me living in the state, I knew exactly who he was, but I’m also a political junkie and even know who the candidates are running for governor in YOUR state. That said, DeSantis was already fairly well nationally known among the Fox News set, because the very reason he is the GOP nominee for governor right now is because while he was a Representative, he went on Fox News dozens of times to defend Trump, which Trump noticed, which is why he endorsed him over the Florida GOP’s favored candidate Putnam – before that endorsement, DeSantis was trailing Putnam by 20 points, and almost immediately afterward, he was leading by 20 points! (Which he eventually went on to win by.) The strongest election proof yet that Trump is indeed a god among Republicans and they are now a cult, obeying his every command. Fortunately that crap doesn’t work in general elections – if anything, it’s going to backfire many times.

Tholio: I'd give my right arm for that to be true. Okay, maybe just my right thumbnail. Arm seems a little much for something that might very well be true!
 Rumours
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Posted: 8/30/2018 11:56:53 AM
https://www.facebook.com/teapartyorg/
All I can say is the page exists...have no idea if DeSantis was part of it.
There's enough there to see what they are about...one of many, I suppose.

Sure took Trump a long time to cry foul on that interview...
But I'm sure his followers will believe him.
 woobytoodsday
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Posted: 8/30/2018 12:00:31 PM
"The Trump administration is accusing hundreds, and possibly thousands, of Hispanics along the border of using fraudulent birth certificates since they were babies, and it is undertaking a widespread crackdown on their citizenship.”

"In some cases, passport applicants with official U.S. birth certificates are being jailed in immigration detention centers and entered into deportation proceedings."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/us-is-denying-passports-to-americans-along-the-border-throwing-their-citizenship-into-question/2018/08/29/1d630e84-a0da-11e8-a3dd-2a1991f075d5_story.html?tid=ss_fb&utm_term=.f28276887234
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Posted: 8/30/2018 12:52:48 PM

........... It’s like with his behavior toward McCain following both the cancer diagnosis and his death – how do you expect people to react when somebody behaves like that? How would YOU react if he behaved that way toward you in your time of great misery?



Okay.. The man is dead. BUT.. I do not blame president Trump for whatever he said about that man because McCain was a traitor to his party a traitor to the american people for voting NO. To obama "hellcare" reform.! He should have worked towards helping his party not against it.! May his soul RIP but I doubt it because he hurt many people with his action not just his party.!
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Posted: 8/30/2018 1:01:26 PM
Biden spoke at McCain's memorial. He talked about himself a lot, awards he received, lol. Sticking it to McCain in death.
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Posted: 8/30/2018 1:30:42 PM
A question for the women who worship Trump: Would you date someone who has the same personality traits as Trump:
Someone who is a compulsive liar, a cheater, insults and hates everybody, explosive and insecure when anything negative about him is mentioned, a racist.
If the answer is no, why would you accept that behavior in Trump and worship him?
If the answer is yes, change your profile to say you're after someone with the fore mentioned Trump traits.
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 8/30/2018 1:51:42 PM
Worship? That's the word democrats use, not republicans. I'm not going to address your erroneous accusations, but will say I voted for him to be president, not my s/o, unlike people that voted for obama and Justin Trudeau.
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Posted: 8/30/2018 2:27:32 PM
“Okay.. The man is dead. BUT.. I do not blame president Trump for whatever he said about that man because McCain was a traitor to his party a traitor to the american people for voting NO. To obama "hellcare" reform.! He should have worked towards helping his party not against it.! May his soul RIP but I doubt it because he hurt many people with his action not just his party.!”

So, as I was looking up the beginnings of the Trump-McCain war, I came across this:

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/trump-attacks-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured-120317

This seems ridiculously quaint now, because toward the bottom you will see the likes of Rick Perry, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio and SEAN SPICER defending McCain from Trump’s “He’s not a war hero” crack and in some cases condemning Trump over it and calling him a liar for later claiming he didn’t say that about McCain (despite, of course, just as with the Lester Holt interview, it being on tape). One of these guys is now in Trump’s cabinet, one of them was the head of his transition team and almost his attorney general and one of them became his bald-face liar press secretary and primary spokesperson. The other, Rubio, will still occasionally condemn Trump to high hell, but has voted with him 99% of the time.

My, how the GOP has fallen.

Anyway, there was obviously plenty of bad blood between McCain and Trump before the Obamacare vote, most of it stirred up by Trump, as is almost always the case, so don’t sit there crying for Trump because somebody said something “mean” about him. You might want to cry for Trump because he can’t put aside his personal vendetta and act like a decent human being when people are hurting. As for that infamous vote, McCain knew that he would “hurt many people” if he voted to repeal Obamacare, and that is without question, because over 10 million people would have immediately lost health insurance upon the execution of that law had McCain voted for it, because there was no serious replacement for it in the legislation. Had there been a real “REPLACE” in the GOP “repeal and replace” plan, then you could possibly argue he was doing damage to the several hundred thousand people that Obamacare did indeed screw over (because they fell into the “donut hole”), but because it didn’t, McCain decided it was best to sacrifice a few hundred thousand upper middle class people (mostly self-employed and business owners) to save 10 million+ middle and lower income people. You can call that being a traitor to the American people – most would and did call it humanity. It’s okay to “betray” your party and your “leader” when your party and leader are on the wrong side of history. Do you have any issue with those that betrayed the Nazi party and its leader? Blindly following immoral leaders is the beginning of the end for most civilizations.

“Worship? That's the word democrats use, not republicans.”

As I’ve said many times, when you believe everything a person tells you no matter what evidence to the contrary claims and refuse to condemn obviously negative behavior in that person – that is worship. The only true Trump supporter I’ve seen in these parts that I wouldn’t put in the category of worshiper was Dee, because she criticized his behavior quite a bit, in between patting him on the back for his policies. The rest of you: the man can do no wrong. Excuse me, the GOD can do no wrong.

That said, I don’t necessarily disagree with your response. I’d probably vote for a serial killer or a KKK member if he claimed to support the policies I support AND I believed him AND the other candidate was Trump (or a similar right wing nut job). But what makes you hypocrites (especially KJ) is that the GOP claims to be the party of “family values” and “conservative Christianity,” yet is now led by a man who is the antithesis of that, whereas I’ve never given much of a damn about any of that stuff and have said so many times, and the same is true for Democrats. There are other situations in which you can probably claim they are hypocrites (for example, being the party of women’s rights, but supporting Bill Clinton), but doing so without admitting you and your party is a bunch of hypocrites is... uh… hypocritical.
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Posted: 8/30/2018 4:41:10 PM
Biden spoke at McCain's memorial. He talked about himself a lot, awards he received, lol. Sticking it to McCain in death. Msg: 7241

Your interpretation is severely flawed. For one thing, Biden spoke of awards that they both received together.

Excerpts from Joe Biden's speech at the John McCain Memorial
You know, John and I were both amused and I think Lindsey was at one of these events where John and I received two prestigious awards where the last year I was vice president and one immediately after, for our dignity and respect we showed to one another, we received an award for civility in public life. Allegheny College puts out this award every year for bipartisanship. John and I looked at each and said, "What the hell is going on here?" No, not a joke. I said to Senator Flake, that's how it's supposed to be. We get an award? I’m serious. Think about this. Getting an award for your civility. Getting an award for bipartisanship. Classic John, Allegheny College, hundreds of people, got the award and the Senate was in session. He spoke first and, as he walked off the stage and I walked on, he said, Joe, don't take it personally, but I don't want to hear what the hell you have to say, and left.

Character is destiny. John had character. While others will miss his leadership, passion, even his stubbornness, you are going to miss that hand on your shoulder. Family, you are going to miss the man, faithful man as he was, who you knew would literally give his life for you. And for that there's no balm but time. Time and your memories of a life lived well and lived fully.

Now John is going to take his rightful place in a long line of extraordinary leaders in this nation's history. Who in their time and in their way stood for freedom and stood for liberty and have made the American story the most improbable and most hopeful and most enduring story on earth. I know John said he hoped he played a small part in that story. John, you did much more than that, my friend. To paraphrase Shakespeare: we shall not see his like again.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a22877209/joe-biden-eulogy-john-mccain-memorial-full-transcript/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfjYggdO8q4

Godspeed John McCain.
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Posted: 8/30/2018 5:04:06 PM
I heard the speech in real time. Biden did talk about himself a lot, excerpt from what you posted:

"John and I received two prestigious awards where the last year I was vice president and one immediately after, for our dignity and respect we showed to one another, we received an award for civility in public life."

I thought this was funny, "He spoke first and, as he walked off the stage and I walked on, he said, Joe, don't take it personally, but I don't want to hear what the hell you have to say, and left."

McCain's mother is 106 years old!
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Calling him a traitor for casting a vote is ridiculous, and extreme. That kind of extremism is what's preventing productive discussion.


Okay.. The man is dead. BUT.. I do not blame president Trump for whatever he said about that man because McCain was a traitor to his party a traitor to the american people for voting NO. To obama "hellcare" reform.! He should have worked towards helping his party not against it.! May his soul RIP but I doubt it because he hurt many people with his action not just his party
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Posted: 8/30/2018 8:20:06 PM
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You miss the point SS4544...even if we assume the system of trade is geared for business.....well just who engages in Global Trade other than big business?
I don't think I miss any point. My problem is the jobs that are being lost with the "finely tuned" global trade system are disproportionately jobs done by blue collar/rural people. I mean, what's so "finely tuned" about China having a 25% tariff on autos and the U.S. having a 3% tariff? Do you think that's fair?

And what people need to understand is blue collar/rural people are the losers on all these trade deals because of the relative unfair policies vs. developing countries on manufactured goods. Manufacturing, Agriculture, and Mining are disproportionately important to blue collar/rural people. It is always easy to champion a cause that puts the kibosh on *someone else's* job.

That's why they don't like the trade deals, nor do they like all encompassing global clean air pacts, because it hurts fossil fuel/mining. Both hurt blue collar/rural industries that provide jobs. And add massive illegal immigration to take the jobs in the one growth area, big ag, and food processing, and this becomes another of their "hot button" issue with them that Trump is taking on. It is not rocket science to see how he is popular with them.

And before you hate on me, note I did NOT vote for Trump. I think he's repugnant. I am simply trying to explain the rationale for his base. And yes, I will admit there is some racism, but I still maintain this is less weight than the jobs/economic issues.


There is nothing that Trump is doing that is going to help fly over America....or the little guy
See the above. Keep in mind that Trump doesn't really even need to be ultimately successful at these things. Because they see him working towards these means, making a lot of noise, a lot of press, and that is more than what they feel they can get from a Democrat.

I know you don't want to hear it, but there is a somewhat rational basis - admittedly a bit unrealistic - for Trump's support.

But we should all be worried that blue collar/rural are being left behind and will continue to be, no matter what, due to globalization. They will be a force to contend with, electorally, til the BBDO (Big Bubba Die Off) occurs.
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Posted: 8/30/2018 11:30:18 PM
It will be refreshing when Trump leaves office in 2025






because that's when Mueller will begin to wrap up his investigation.
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Posted: 8/31/2018 2:50:34 PM
Yeah, I don't know how much I believe this poll, taken almost immediately after Florida's primary and sanctioned by Democrats, but nevertheless, this is FAR better than I could have imagined for the first black governor nominee in the state in almost any half-legitimate poll:

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/andrew-gillum-ron-desantis-florida-governors-race/2018/08/30/id/879549/

48 percent of the voters said they would choose Gillum, while 43 percent would vote for DeSantis.
45 percent gave Gillum a favorable rating, while 41 percent said the same for DeSantis.
59 percent of independents said they would vote for Gillum, while 25 percent said they would vote for DeSantis.

God only knows what the results would be if it was Graham (a well-known person) vs. DeSantis, though maybe being unknown to many is actually helping Gillum, because right now I imagine a lot of people answering these polls are like "you say DeSantis is Trump's man? Then I'm definitely voting for the other guy, no matter who he is!" We'll see how long that remains true once they start finding out about Gillum's Tallahassee mayor issues... or for that matter, that he's black!
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