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 vlad dracul
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So as i said in a previous post citizens are deserting liberal neo liberalism in their droves. So posters on here of the liberal persuasion why do you think this is?

Why is your politics being cast aside by millions of folk? Obviously citizens are rejecting neo liberalism because it only benefits the wealthy and the globalists.

The genie is out the bottle now. See if the intolerant illiberal liberals had listened a wee bit more rather than sneering and mocking things may have been different.............



"As goes Brazil, so goes democracy? It is no good outsiders pouring contempt on Jair Bolsonaro, victor in Sunday’s Brazilian presidential election. He is the choice of his people. For non-Brazilians, it is what he represents, not what he says, that matters.

Brazil has been one of the world’s most exciting emergent nations, yet its evolution over 30 years from dictatorship to hesitant democracy seems to have stalled. Bolsonaro has exploited the oldest politics, that of self-interest, and also the newest, that of anger, polarisation and fear.

A famously tolerant nation has opted for military and economic discipline.

In any country, the apparent breakdown of social order will drive voters to extremism. This message has proved popular around the world, from Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines, Andrés Manuel López Obrador of Mexico, Viktor Orbán of Hungary*, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan of Turkey, even America’s Donald Trump.

Liberal values, however defined, will not survive when their defenders cannot transmit their virtues to voters.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/29/brazil-election-far-right-democracy-social-media


* Viktor Orban is hated by the globalists in brussels.

Orban paid hungarys debt off to the unelected IMF. Then threw them out of budapest.

He forced banks to refund money to customers who suffered through no fault of their own.

He forced utility companies to refund money to citizens.

He booted the vile greedy capitalist soros out of hungary.

And his party INCREASED their share of the vote in the last election.

Way to go Viktor.
 johnfromzelie
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Posted: 10/29/2018 9:06:53 AM

Have you heard the latest shooter also belonged to a hate fearing website called "GAB" ?....
20 miles from here! as for the walk away movement, I was glad to see a group still wanting their agenda (most doesn't fit mine) but are tired of the extremist tactics from their own party. liberals at heart and they get my support! (based on my limited knowledge of them) imagine that, a white blue collar worker that doesn't hate gays, blacks and women!
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 10/29/2018 9:19:26 AM
'The dirt poor will eat the filthy rich':


I've just watched some of the short videos from the Anywhere But Washington section of the guardian.

This one below shows a geezer standing for the democrats who is actually LISTENING to what citizens are saying. He is pro coal. Pro coal miner. And ex military as well.

Maybe the democrat machine should try and find candidates who live amongst citizens rather than in their own wee identity bubble..............



"Richard Ojeda, a retired army major, is a Democrat running in a West Virginia district that voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump in 2016. But how does a leftwing populist with the backing of Silicon Valley billionaires explain his own vote for the president? Two years after his first visit to coal country, Paul Lewis finds out"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/oct/29/the-dirt-poor-will-eat-the-filthy-rich-how-a-democrat-can-win-in-trumpland-richard-ojeda-video


And lots of related content on this link.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/anywhere-but-washington
 johnfromzelie
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Posted: 10/29/2018 12:44:46 PM

This one below shows a geezer standing for the democrats who is actually LISTENING to what citizens are saying. He is pro coal. Pro coal miner. And ex military as well.

Maybe the democrat machine should try and find candidates who live amongst citizens rather than in their own wee identity bubble..............
my point exactly! apply to any of my posts! the coal issue is just another example how those knowing little about the coal miners ignore their complaints and argue any other aspect of the coal industry and never address their concerns. you can put any spin on it you want and probably by right with most of it but what good is that when those being effected the most are swept under the rug and ignored!
 Noftheborder
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Posted: 10/29/2018 1:20:52 PM
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Coal/5-Reasons-Why-Coal-Is-Being-Killed-Off.html

Even though the above is 3 years old, it's still very relevant. The world economic climate changes and evolves for various reasons, yes, at the cost of losing jobs in any particular field at any particular time. The same would apply to such blue collar jobs, for instance, surrounding pulp and paper, which affects logging, which then has all kinds of ripple effects in various areas. Isn't it up to the blue collar worker to have a back-up plan rather than counting on generational jobs and keeping those generational jobs at the same capacity? All kinds of white collar office workers are and will be phased out over time because of technology. A typist's job, for instance, will become less necessary until it's gone the way of the dinosaur because of voice to text, etc. Should it be expected that people should stay in that type of job, knowing it's being phased out because of technological evolution, or should they expect the jobs to remain the status quo and blame the government/politicians for the evolution?
 johnfromzelie
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Should it be expected that people should stay in that type of job, knowing it's being phased out because of technological evolution, or should they expect the jobs to remain the status quo and blame the government/politicians for the evolution?
most of them just want to be acknowledged.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:29:45 PM
"The world economic climate changes and evolves for various reasons, yes, at the cost of losing jobs in any particular field at any particular time."


While the point you make is valid when does big business stop pulling the rug from under workers feet by relocating to nations where workers are paid a pittance?..............


"The same would apply to such blue collar jobs, for instance, surrounding pulp and paper, which affects logging, which then has all kinds of ripple effects in various areas."


Again true. But did ANYONE forsee the leaps and bounds that technology was going to take? Surely politicians and businesses could have put forward contingency plans?................


"Isn't it up to the blue collar worker to have a back-up plan rather than counting on generational jobs and keeping those generational jobs at the same capacity?"


Again a valid point. But who 40 or 50 years ago warned blue collar workers that machination and technology was going to destroy the workforce? And why did those ITK not alert workers that the companies they graft for will be relocating to some third world nation where workers are basically slaves?...............


"All kinds of white collar office workers are and will be phased out over time because of technology. A typist's job, for instance, will become less necessary until it's gone the way of the dinosaur because of voice to text, etc."


Now as much as it pains me to see folk lose their jobs perhaps white collar workers need to live in the world that blue collar workers live in...............



"Should it be expected that people should stay in that type of job, knowing it's being phased out because of technological evolution, or should they expect the jobs to remain the status quo and blame the government/politicians for the evolution?"


Well our various governments should be offering courses in IT. It seems to be the in thing. Although where millions of IT jobs are i do not know.

Those who are comfortably off can say blue collar workers have only themselves to blame. But lets be fair here. The comfortably off folk still need US to build their houses. They still need US to decorate those houses. They still need US to serve them their coffee and tea.

They still need US to tarmac their roads. They still need US to work in airports carrying their baggage because they are jetting off on holiday.

Maybe the comfortably off need a wee reality check.

And see this brave new world that US manual workers were to stupid to embrace? Maybe if the education systems in our nations were less identity driven and more skills based we would not be in this position.
 Noftheborder
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Posted: 10/29/2018 4:46:48 PM
^ I could be wrong, but it sounds like you want socialism but the government to be taking care of you by determining your choices and education for you. Or maybe it's that you are saying poorer people can't make choices because they don't have the economic means to do so. Maybe it's a case of both - lack of means and complacency in the face of change.
 apriloveswhiteroses
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Posted: 10/30/2018 2:35:11 PM
LOUIS FARRAKHAN COMPARES JEWS TO TERMITES



CHELSEA CLINTON SAYS ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. And called Louis Farrakhan’s anti-Semitism “dangerous”
Chelsea said:..laughter in response to it “MADE MY SKIN CRAWL.”


Chelsea said: 'Comparing Jews to termites is anti-Semitic, wrong and dangerous,' quoting the Nation of Islam leader

Clinton was reacting on Twitter to a Farrakhan tweet in which the leader of the Nation of Islam said “I’m not an anti-Semite. I’m anti-termite.”


Twitter, meantime, said it would NOT suspend Farrakhan from the site.
A BuzzFeed reporter quoted a spokesperson for the company as saying that “Louis Farrakhan’s tweet comparing Jews to termites is not in violation of the company’s policies



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LOUIS FARRAKHAN = **The fallen angel**
 Noftheborder
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Posted: 10/30/2018 3:00:12 PM
^Precisely what type of sh!t are you attempting to disturb this time around with this old news? Farrakhan is like Trump - will say anything in an attempt to stay relevant. Meanwhile, https://www.jta.org/2018/10/29/news-opinion/muslim-groups-raise-115000-pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-victims-families - addlepated Farrakhan is no longer as relevant as he'd like to be. Trump will eventually be walking in those same shoes.

vvv Good, then stop tripping over Trump being called out. P.S. I'm not trinity but thanks for the compliment.
 apriloveswhiteroses
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Posted: 10/30/2018 3:11:22 PM
^^
Psst... Trinity, I mean, noftheborder, that is not "old news" and even if it was, we have to call him out
for his evil statements against Jews and also his Racist behavior against other races..

FARRAKHAN MUST STOP THAT!! (-_-)
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 10/30/2018 3:37:50 PM
Nof
"^ I could be wrong, but it sounds like you want socialism but the government to be taking care of you by determining your choices and education for you. Or maybe it's that you are saying poorer people can't make choices because they don't have the economic means to do so. Maybe it's a case of both - lack of means and complacency in the face of change."


Have you heard of the fabian society before? They were great believers in darwins theory of evolution. They were great believers in letting the weak and infirm die.

The link will give you more on that though. What i wanted to point out is the plans for welfare dependent society.

But a bit of background to the uk's welfare state..............


"We live in a country where the poorest members of society are literally trapped. We pay them millions not to work, simply maintaining them at subsistence level like prisoners of the state. Tied up with bureaucratic regulations and subject to crazy marginal rates of tax, there are few chances to escape for Britain’s welfare-dependent.

A million of those out of work have been jobless for a decade or more. They see their chances of getting a job in the future as so remote as to be barely worth considering. The chances of their children ever finding work are beginning to look slim too.

The neighbourhoods in which they live are falling apart. The squalor is palpable; crime rampant; local schools are very often failing or ‘sink’ schools. If you think I’m exaggerating, choose any area with a high level of welfare-dependency and go and look for yourself.

So what went wrong with a welfare state that was supposed to make ‘ignorance, squalor and want’ things of the past, and guarantee greater social integration? Or have we simply misunderstood what that project was really about?

Most accounts of the origin of Britain’s welfare state begin with the Minority Report of the Royal Commission on the Poor Laws, drafted by Sidney and Beatrice Webb during the first decade of the 20th century.

Beneath their seemingly compassionate rhetoric, the founders of the Fabian Society were snobbish, elitist and harboured a savage contempt for the poorest of the poor. Both husband and wife were enthusiastic supporters of the eugenics movement, which held that most of the behavioural traits that led to poverty were inherited. In short, that the poor were genetically inferior to the educated middle class.

The eugenicists aimed to replace natural selection with a planned and deliberate selection. They were alarmed by the fact that the poorest in society bred faster than the middle class, forecasting that this trend would lead to a spiral of degeneration in the gene pool.

In the years leading up to the first world war Leonard Darwin set about lobbying the government to act. He wanted to set up flying squads of scientists, armed with powers of arrest over the poor, to tour the country weeding out the ‘unfit’.

Another Fabian eugenicist, the writer H.G. Wells, vented his frustration and indignation in a direct address to the working class. ‘We cannot go on giving you health, freedom, enlargement, limitless wealth, if all our gifts to you are to be swamped by an indiscriminate torrent of progeny,’ he complained, ‘…and we cannot make the social life and the world-peace we are determined to make, with the ill-bred, ill-trained swarms of inferior citizens that you inflict upon us.'


So the basis for the welfare state was laid. The poor were to be eradicated. In fact george bernard shaw the playwrite advocated a 'chamber to do away with the inferior'. This was before adolph took power in germany.
 vlad dracul
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So the welfare state was created..............

"William Beveridge, later to emerge as the midwife of the post-1945 welfare settlement, was also very active in the eugenics movement at this time. Today, Beveridge is generally portrayed as a kindly, avuncular figure, one almost dripping with compassion and benevolence.

But his roots were in a particularly hardline strand of eugenics. He argued in 1909 that ‘those men who through general defects are unable to fill such a whole place in industry, are to be recognised as “unemployable”.

They must become the acknowledged dependents of the State… but with complete and permanent loss of all citizen rights — including not only the franchise but civil freedom and fatherhood.’ And that, except for the loss of fatherhood, has effectively been his legacy."

And so came into being dependents of the state............

"The economist John Maynard Keynes served on the society’s governing council and was its director from 1937 to 1944. Once again, this was no casual hobby. As late as 1946 Keynes was still describing eugenics as ‘the most important and significant branch of sociology’.

Working alongside Keynes at this time as the editor of Eugenics Review was Richard Titmuss, soon afterwards to become an influential professor at the London School of Economics working on social policy, and who would ultimately be dubbed ‘the high priest of the welfare state’."

So we have some very influential fabian politicians guiding the direction of the welfare state............


"On the evening that the House of Commons met to debate the Beveridge Report, Beveridge himself went off to address an audience of eugenicists at the Mansion House. He knew he was in for a rough ride.

His scheme of family allowances had originally been devised within the Eugenics Society with a graduated rate, which paid out more to middle-class parents and very little to the poor.

The whole point was to combat the eugenicists’ great bugbear — the differential birth rate between the classes. However, the government that day had announced a uniform rate. Beveridge was sympathetic to the complaints of his audience and hinted that a multi-rate system might well be introduced at a later date."

Given the association of so many of its founding fathers with the dismal pseudo- science of eugenics, perhaps we should not be surprised that our welfare system has ended up preferring safety nets to trampolines, or that it prefers simply to warehouse the poor rather than give people who have fallen on hard times a chance to take responsibility for their own lives.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2009/11/how-eugenics-poisoned-the-welfare-state/

And yes we DO live in a society where citizens have the state laying down the rules. Enough money to live on. Just. Then citizens become docile.

They fear anything new that may threaten the benevolent state. As orwell wrote about the plebs. Give them football, alcohol and cigarettes and they are compliant.
 trinity818
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Psst... Trinity, I mean, noftheborder,


Dee... is that you???
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Psst... Trinity, I mean, noftheborder, that is not "old news" and even if it was, we have to call him out
for his evil statements against Jews and also his Racist behavior against other races..

FARRAKHAN MUST STOP THAT!! (-_-)


Farrakhan and Trump, one coin two sides, they both use the same methods to achieve their "fame".
 BaldwinMotionPhaseIII
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Posted: 10/31/2018 11:52:44 AM
"most of them just want to be acknowledged."

>>>except "acknowledge" doesn't pay the bills. Interestingly, when transgender and women and poeple of a different color want to be "acknowledged", Trumpanzees dismiss it all as "politically correct nonsense". but when the angry white man wants to be "not shoved aside in the pursuit of these other groups", its not PC at all :) if we don't want Uncle Sugar playing nanny state with us, then yes, one of the things we have to do for ourselves and our families is look at our source of income and wonder if its sustainable. Over here, coal is getting killed by the low cost of natural gas and more automation. seems like that writing's been on the wall for years now.

"Again true. But did ANYONE forsee the leaps and bounds that technology was going to take? Surely politicians and businesses could have put forward contingency plans?................"

>>>yes, the liberals saw it coming a mile away, and put plans into place, and Trump has done everything he can to erase them (as the post "end of Obamadom" tries to cover). there were plans to retrain coal workers here for other jobs, and the Republican governments quashed funding, and trump focuses on bringing back jobs without a future, rather than invest in the future. as he considers tariffing everything out of China in time for Christmas, it may turn out not only the farmers are next on his hit list. LGL speaks of a plan to use Trump to ruin the hoi polloi so they have to become labor slaves. as for business planning for the future, over here, corporations invest in the future and leave their employees behind. General Electric used to sell lightbulbs, recently they went into finances and are doing poorly. companies don't invest in their employees b/c only the Democratic politicians try to make laws about it. the GOP wants smaller government intervention. Let the corporations do whatever makes money, and let people vote with their money, and somehow according to the Free Market, it all washes out. That, again, is the problem of the GOP voter over here--he and she have to agree to put some responsible restrictions on capitalism. corporations did fine under Obama regulations, once they got over the bush recession. now they take their tax cuts, and spend little to none of it raising income for the workers.

"But who 40 or 50 years ago warned blue collar workers that machination and technology was going to destroy the workforce?"

>>.that far back, over here, was the hippy generation. but i do understand, conservatives do not pay attention to the warnings of liberals, but instead dismiss them as poppyc0ck.
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"But who 40 or 50 years ago warned blue collar workers that machination and technology was going to destroy the workforce?"

I don't know of any company that has almost no human workforce because of automation. The larger companies still employ hundreds or thousands of people-maybe not as many people as in post WW2 and in the the 50's and 60's, but still a large amount. People are still needed for a lot of the grunt work, and maintaining any robots that are used in manufacturing. I know of some small companies where the manufacturing process hasn't changed in the last 50 or more years, because the cost of automation is too high for a small company. Hiring people from a temp agency and paying them minimum wage with no benefits is far more cost effective than spending hundreds of thousands or millions on start of the art machinery, and hiring skilled people to maintain the computerized machinery.
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Posted: 10/31/2018 1:49:01 PM
Its not only "robots"..its computers...which are essential and also replace the need for many formerly employed people....accounting clerks, copy clerks, typists, bookkeepers, accountants, tax preparers, researchers, proof readers, lawyers are in many cases replaced by computers...even doctors since so many use the internet to figure things out. People need to adjust to technological conditions or they will be left behind. heck my local Walmart has replaced most cashiers with auto machines....those with the least education are going to be the ones hurt the most.
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Posted: 10/31/2018 4:27:15 PM
Everyone knows that things will move forward, even those kicking and screaming against it, knows it's still going to happen.

The trick to move with the times is to be in the repair field and keep getting updated in your training. Every thing will breakdown.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 8:33:48 AM
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">>yes, the liberals saw it coming a mile away, and put plans into place."

Of course they did.............

"corporations invest in the future and leave their employees behind."

Corporations look for profit. Ably abetted by bought and payed for politicians..........


"companies don't invest in their employees b/c only the Democratic politicians try to make laws about it."

Eh no. They don't invest in employees because making money is everything to them.............


"Let the corporations do whatever makes money, and let people vote with their money, and somehow according to the Free Market, it all washes out."

And yet obama and clinton were in favour of ttip. Where eh corporations can make plenty money............


"But who 40 or 50 years ago warned blue collar workers that machination and technology was going to destroy the workforce?"

>>.that far back, over here, was the hippy generation. but i do understand, conservatives do not pay attention to the warnings of liberals, but instead dismiss them as poppyc0ck."

Can you provide any links as to where hippies warned future generations of where technology was heading?.......


Carnival

"Hiring people from a temp agency and paying them minimum wage with no benefits is far more cost effective than spending hundreds of thousands or millions on start of the art machinery, and hiring skilled people to maintain the computerized machinery."

But what solution do you offer to low or unskilled workers losing their jobs to either automation or cheap exploited illegal immigrant workers?.............


Dayna

"Everyone knows that things will move forward, even those kicking and screaming against it, knows it's still going to happen.

The trick to move with the times is to be in the repair field and keep getting updated in your training. Every thing will breakdown."


So what happens when everyone gets retrained or updated to the repair industry? Will there be enough work to go round?

And what happens when big business chooses to move somewhere that can provide cheap exploited workers?

Unskilled and skilled workers will always be needed. But just say for an example 2 million blue collar workers decide to retrain in IT skills. Are there 2 million IT jobs available?

And we keep getting told IT is the future. What will the IT jobs pay? Will those who left uni and became IT experts welcome 2 million new workers in their field.

Workers who will be paid a lot less than the highly skilled IT workers.


"False Promises of Basic Income and Retraining Are Old Rhetoric"

We live in a world of false promises. Worker retraining and Basic Income are the worst false promises you can make to poor and demoralized citizens. These answers give them false hope without tackling one of the more serious consequences of automation, institutional wealth inequality that’s rising out of control."

https://medium.com/@Michael_Spencer/the-end-of-conventional-employment-is-here-29ce5d936801



"Only 52% of graduates get graduate-level jobs, CIPD reveals"

https://www.recruitment-international.co.uk/blog/2017/11/only-52-percent-of-graduates-get-graduate-level-jobs-cipd-reveals


"The False Promises of Worker Retraining

Despite assurances from policymakers that retraining is the key to success, such programs have consistently failed to equip workers with the preparation they need to secure jobs."

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/01/the-false-promises-of-worker-retraining/549398/
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Posted: 11/1/2018 9:28:22 AM
Everyone is not going to do it, everyone who tries it is not going to be good at it, but it is a simple fact, if you want a job, know how to fix things that are needed and break.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 10:15:51 AM
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"Everyone is not going to do it, everyone who tries it is not going to be good at it, but it is a simple fact, if you want a job, know how to fix things that are needed and break."


Exactly. So our nations will have those trained in modern technology skills. Those trained in construction trades. Semi skilled workers. And workers with no skills.

As you say certain jobs are going to disappear over time. But what happens to those workers? What does the future hold for them? Minimum or living wage jobs?

So we now have a mass of unskilled citizens. All vying for the minimum or living wage jobs.

So are we to open our borders to millions of unskilled workers from around the world? And are those unskilled workers supposed to embrace those economic migrants?

Economic migrants who will also be thrown into the unskilled labour market.

By all means allow highly skilled or skilled workers take up residence. But we cannot sustain floods of labour. All that will do is drive wages down. Again. And resentment will rise. Again.

The democrats embraced globalism. They embraced wall street. They have to take a massive share of the blame.
 apriloveswhiteroses
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Posted: 11/1/2018 10:43:51 AM
The Conservative party won these elections
IF they do not win it is because the Democratic party cheated. BIG


Here I say why..
JUST COMMON SENSE
THOUSANDS and thousands of people coming at the president's rallies
against ONLY 100 +-people at the rallies of Democrats .

This is a fact they can't win going by the amount of people in the president's rallies.....I will cry if the conservative people
who are Counting the votes allows the party and the country to be deceived!!!!(-_-)

BE ALERT WITH THAT VOTING COUNT...







I do not want to cry for this. :=)
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Posted: 11/1/2018 11:32:40 AM
corporations do look for profit, and since the time of the romans, will invest in politicians to get it. ironically, this is the real Establishment the Trump supporters should go after. Not the politicians, the businesses willing to bribe them. made easier when conservative judges vote in their favor for laws (citizens united ruling, for example, and there will be more a'comin') and conservative legislators vote for laws that favor business. Yes, HRC favored TTP, and america will lose i believe the number is $21 billion for not being a part of it. but it also was designed to not include China, which has been flexing its muscle in the Pacific rim since Bush thought going into Iraq over fake WMD (now there's an angry mob to watch out for!) was a great foriegn policy to focus on.

I would do links to where the american left warned about where corporations were going, but i have to log in from a computer in a public library, and these things are just techy. i guess you could start with looking up "yellow dog journalism" to find out it goes even further back.

"So what happens when everyone gets retrained or updated to the repair industry? Will there be enough work to go round?
And what happens when big business chooses to move somewhere that can provide cheap exploited workers?"

>>>and this brings up a good question. over here at least, we had a baby boom generation that both worked and consumed. it was a self-fulfilling prophesy. a person could work at a gas station rather than need a college education, earn, and buy things not made by a robot. now that same employee is replaced by a credit card scanner on the gas pump--if he buys anything, it may be made by a robot, and he uses a self-scanner (ie, computerized cash register) to self check out at a store. ain't it a brave new world? meanwhile the Baby Boomers are dying off, and there goes more consumers who create more jobs. maybe if we can get imigrants to work legally (that means go after their bosses) jobs that require little skill, they'll pay sales tax on what they buy and pay social security tax, and they'll consume enough to sustain jobs for items and also services that a computerized robot cannot perform...such as repairing things.
 johnfromzelie
Joined: 3/8/2018
Msg: 7725
Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 11/1/2018 1:13:05 PM

"most of them just want to be acknowledged."

>>>except "acknowledge" doesn't pay the bills. Interestingly, when transgender and women and poeple of a different color want to be "acknowledged", Trumpanzees dismiss it all as "politically correct nonsense". but when the angry white man wants to be "not shoved aside in the pursuit of these other groups", its not PC at all :) if we don't want Uncle Sugar playing nanny state with us, then yes, one of the things we have to do for ourselves and our families is look at our source of income and wonder if its sustainable. Over here, coal is getting killed by the low cost of natural gas and more automation. seems like that writing's been on the wall for years now.
rather vague on my part, MUCH more complex than I cared to discuss. you just explained my basic point though. while any and every other group that is at a disadvantage gets millions supporting their cause, they are dismissed as angry white trumpanzee's! I live very close to 'coal country' so I see the devastation and lack of options without leaving their area. that is yet another subject that many may not understand and really has no bearing on your points. "But who 40 or 50 years ago warned blue collar workers that machination and technology was going to destroy the workforce?"
to be fair, we did know the steel mills were on their way out before I was born and late '70's, it was known that robotics was the wave of the future. certainly NOT common knowledge to the average guy. what wasn't expected was our own president shipping our factories to mexico, then another inviting all to come take the remaining jobs! then to top it off, many embellish the idea of helping those needing help yet find the blue collar worker undeserving and often looked down upon with prejudice.
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