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"(Italy) is doing its bit about bringing down the eu gulag. Between 5 star and the League they have set a budget that suits italian citizens and not your lot the globalists. Of course your lot are most unhappy that an elected italian government are doing something for italian citizens. Your lot want UNELECTED faceless globalists to set the budget."

>>>Italy probably will do what Greece's budget woes did to the last global economy. Or another one of the PIGS. Their solution will likely be...borrow more $$ and gain more debt. not a great solution. worse, they may descend into the hell OPEC country Venezuala is now in. no one will be cheerful then. right now, the trump economy sings on the basis america has global markets to sell to. Our biggest export now is oil, and that's very demand-based. Take oil out of the equation, and our trade deficit is going higher and higher. as americans feel flush, they still don't buy american.

"Just like you favour trade deals that throw sherman workers on the scrap heap so you can get goods on the cheap. I love the way yous globalist neo liberal intolerant illiberal liberals love anything that slaps down your fellow countrymen and women. You geezer have many many times wrote in favour of trade deals that take jobs from american workers. For reasons only you know you despise your fellow citizens trying to earn a living. You embrace globalism and 'free' trade deals that are detrimental to american workers."

>>.here's a truly bitter irony in all this accusation. do the "global elites" dispised by their fellow american trump supporters, cash in on cheap goods from trade policies? well, they like to show off brand names, so they aren't shopping at wal mart. they're paying $200,000 for membership to Mar-a-Lago, where they're waited on not by american workers, but by the visa'd "foriegners" trump continues to hire. they buy fancy suits and accessories, like donald trump suits or Ivanka purses. are the trump family members benefiting from all that foriegn slave labor? well, you don't think Ivanka plays "bring your daughter to work day" just so she can swoon over canada's trudeau, do you? :)

and as for those foriegn slaves laborers, gosh, some of them are trying to get into Europe and america, which has exploited them as you charge, vlad. so what group is willing to let them in and have a better life? those "intollerant liberals". who wants to keep them enslaved to enjoy cut-rate goods from trade policies? oh yes, the nationalists.

and that's the other bitter irony--the other group benefiting from these trade policies is the working class who wants a middle class lifestyle. tariffs that raise the cost of raw materials can't afford when its passed on. its the trump supporter who drives to wal mart in a pickup truck built by Izusu but has "Chevrolet" badges on it. he has a Mitt Romney for president bumpersticker on it, but doesn't like to think the GOP wanted to kill the american auto industry and really disrupt the trade imbalance. it makes his head hurt to think about it. so he turns on AM hate radio to get his daily indoctrination, and learns how "barak hussien obongo" is responsible for identity politics, yet doesn't see the irony.

meanwhile, what's that intolerant liberal doing? oh, he may be paying more for his "free trade" coffee, that shares more of the profit with that slave labor coffee grower, buying a fair trade chocolate bar, all on his way to the farmer's market to buy locally produced items. He shrugs off the scoffing and name calling of the trumpanzee, who sneers at his buying patterns. the sad thing is, if the trumpanzee gets his way and immigrant labor gets kicked out of his country, the price of produce and packaged meats go up. hopefully Faux News will tell him who to blame, because his "buy american, the job you save may be your own" is getting very faded with age.

we still live in a zero sum economy. If we wish to be isolationist, fine...other countries will make the trade deals and lock us out. and the trumpanzees will find the cost of living to slip further out of their grasp. so sad.

"If it was working just fine why are citizens rejecting neo liberalism all over western nations?"

>>>well, over here, they sure could have voted for Bernie Sanders, but he just lacked that...what do we call it....xenophobic racism. but otherwise he was ready to create health care for all--oh wait, the trumpanzees have been told that's not in their interest, too.

"tell it to the states that have jobs outsourced"

>>>i live up north, we have plenty of factories abandoned to send jobs to Georgia, the Carolinas, etc. no one bothered to speak up for them in the 1960's and '70's. Back then, it was "what's good for GM is good for america".

"anything made with steel will still cost more but those dollars are staying here rather than going overseas."

>>>and ironically, where do those profits go for investment? one popular place is US Treasury Bonds. we owe them, rather than raise taxes on the rich, and then we pay them later, plus interest. Put it into micro economic terms, how long would you last if you didn't work for income but kept borrowing money from people invest in you, to pay bills? i'll bet before you landed on the street, you'd find yourself beholden to the rules of those you've borrowed from.
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Posted: 11/20/2018 9:16:41 PM
Our Dictator-In-Chief ordered Clinton and Comey prosecution? Are we living in a Banana Republic? This is off the charts, Comrade Trump is using everyone to break the law. The scariest part is that the entire republican party is in support of running our country like a banana republic.

Lock Ivanka Up! Lock Ivanka Up! Lock Ivanka Up!


Trump Wanted to Order Justice Dept. to Prosecute Comey and Clinton

WASHINGTON — President Trump told the White House counsel in the spring that he wanted to order the Justice Department to prosecute two of his political adversaries: his 2016 challenger, Hillary Clinton, and the former F.B.I. director James B. Comey, according to two people familiar with the conversation.

The lawyer, Donald F. McGahn II, rebuffed the president, saying that he had no authority to order a prosecution.

Mr. McGahn said that while he could request an investigation, that too could prompt accusations of abuse of power.

To underscore his point, Mr. McGahn had White House lawyers write a memo for Mr. Trump warning that if he asked law enforcement to investigate his rivals, he could face a range of consequences, including possible impeachment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/20/us/politics/president-trump-justice-department.html
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:37:34 PM
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Deary me son. Trump, trump trump. Yous have it bad eh? You know the wee online magazine i read called spike online? One of the geezers wrote a good article about TDS.


"Behind its apparent recovery in the Midterms, the old Democratic Party machine also looks increasingly moribund. Some of the Democrats’ successes in the suburbs were won by local groups of middle-class women organising themselves independently, Tea Party-style, via the internet.

More importantly Democrat campaigns were bank-rolled by a handful of billionaire ‘super-donors’ such as Tom Steyer, who hand-picked their chosen candidates.

Media darling Beto O’Rourke, who quite narrowly failed to win a senate seat in Red Texas, raised over $70million – far more than Republican winner Ted Cruz – with half of it coming from ‘large individual donations’. Far from a progressive people’s party, it looks as if the Democrats are in danger of becoming a rich man’s plaything, the party of America’s new metro elites."

https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/11/12/post-midterm-blues-for-trump-and-the-democrats/


The article also asks the question, apart from healthcare for all what OTHER policies do the democrats have? Apart from mentioning trump constantly.

What economic policies do they have? How are they going to put wages into american workers pockets?


And as for over here?...................

"How populism emerged as an electoral force in Europe

Populism is spreading across the continent but has different characteristics by region

• Revealed: one in four Europeans votes populist"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2018/nov/20/how-populism-emerged-as-electoral-force-in-europe
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Posted: 11/21/2018 5:19:40 AM
Vlad...you really have zero idea what is going on over here...you read right wing, fake news propaganda and buy into it. Our economy almost always does better under democrats...look it up...and right now our Republican right has done its best to destroy our economy. When our economy is doing well and the tide is rising, it raises all boats. When not, the working man is hurt worst.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 6:13:09 AM
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"Vlad...you really have zero idea what is going on over here...you read right wing, fake news propaganda and buy into it."


I read lots of things. I've just found the app for The Atlantic. And the grauniad? Both intolerant illiberal liberal media outlets.

Spiked online. Right wing? Well it is run by the folk who used to publish Living Marxism monthly magazine. But if that's 'right wing' then someone should tell them.............


"Our economy almost always does better under democrats...look it up...and right now our Republican right has done its best to destroy our economy."


Can you tell me some of the economic policies the democrats put forward in the last election then? Policies that would mean work and wages for citizens. And i don't mean the handful of 'socialist' folk who won locally on radical policies. I mean the general nation wide policies the democrats offered.


"When our economy is doing well and the tide is rising, it raises all boats. When not, the working man is hurt worst."


Err then why do the democrats have an obsession with 'identity' and not economics? Why not set their stall out of radical policies rather than just mentioning trump constantly? And how does shermanlands economy do well when work is moved abroad?

Because president the donald is playing yous like a fiddle. He makes a comment. The TDS kicks in and folk become unhinged.

Meanwhile the world watches as the TDS afflicted offer nothing to counter him but abuse. Apart from universal healthcare (psssst which we have over here) what other policies do democrats at a national level offer?

The right for bruce jenner to say he is a woman!!!!!!!!!! Are they unaware that the vast majority i would think just do not care what he calls himself. Food on the table is far more important than some weirdo who admitted to wearing his daughters clothes saying he is a woman.

Which of course he is not. He is a man dressed in womans clothes. Go democrats.

Ps. Brexit. Wages are rising. I've just made £100 for four and a half hours work.

And the geezer also gave me a bottle and three quarters of Glayva whisky liquer. A bottle and a half of the famous grouse whisky. A bottle of red wine. A minature of grouse whisky and a minature of absinthe.

Well done popular uprisings against globalism
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Can you tell me some of the economic policies the democrats put forward in the last election then?

Since you asked, the following is a list just on economic policies.

Jobs & Economy
Expand access to capital, provide tax relief, cut red tape, and help small businesses bring their goods to new markets
Boost public investment in infrastructure and scientific research
Work to close the pay gap
Ensure more workers share in near-record corporate profits
Raise the minimum wage and strengthen overtime rules
Reform the tax code so the wealthiest pay their fair share
Put an end to quarterly capitalism
Impose accountability on Wall Street
Boost federal infrastructure investment by $275 billion over the next five years
Create a $25 billion national infrastructure bank
Reauthorize a Build America Bonds program to help finance the rebuilding of America’s infrastructure
Fix and expand our roads and bridges, reducing congestion and cutting the "pothole tax"
Expand public transit options to lower transportation costs and unlock economic opportunity
Accelerate aviation technology and invest in American airports
Build a faster, safer, and higher-capacity passenger rail system
Modernize dams, levees, and wastewater systems
Restore union collective bargaining rights
Protect workers from exploitation
Expand access to equity capital for businesses
Expand the New Markets Tax Credit
Create a national infrastructure bank to improve rural transportation, water, and broadband infrastructure
Increase funding to support the next generation of farmers and ranchers
Invest in expanding local food markets and regional food systems
Provide a focused safety net to assist family operations
Fully fund a program that provides assistance to producers who conserve and improve natural resources on their farms
Launch a nationwide effort to cut red tape for small businesses at every level of government
Simplify tax filing and provide targeted tax relief for small businesses
Give small-business owners access to financing to build, grow, and hire
Expand Social Security for those who need it most and who are treated unfairly today
Preserve Social Security for decades to come by asking the wealthiest to contribute more
Impose a risk fee on the largest financial institutions
Close the Volcker Rule’s hedge fund loophole
Discourage excessive risk-taking by making senior bankers accountable
Make sure no firm is ever too big and too risky to be managed effectively
Tackle financial dangers of the “shadow banking” system
Impose a tax on high-frequency trading
Prosecute individuals when they break the law
Hold executives accountable when they are responsible for their subordinates’ misconduct
Hold corporations accountable when they break the law
Strengthen American manufacturing through a $10 billion investment
Prevent countries like China from abusing global trade rules and reject trade agreements that don’t meet high standards
Revitalize the hardest-hit manufacturing communities
Crack down on companies that ship jobs and earnings overseas
Invest in America’s manufacturing workforce to ensure that it will always be the best in the world
Unlock access to capital
Cut red tape to streamline the process of starting a small business
Provide tax relief and simplification for small businesses
Incentivize health care benefits for small businesses and their employees
Open new markets
Make sure small businesses get paid—not stiffed
Support small-business owners and entrepreneurs
Make the federal government more responsive to small business
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Our Dictator-In-Chief ordered Clinton and Comey prosecution? Are we living in a Banana Republic?


What would be the charges-or is Trump going to come up with a new law, that says if somebody doesn't worship him, they are subject to imprisonment? That would be straight out of Trump's favorite handbook, on how to be a ruthless and heartless dictator.

When a Washington Post reporter is murdered by a Saudi hit squad and his body dismembered, that is to be swept under the rug and forgotten, because having Trump say anything bad about the Saudis and their prince might mess up the arms deal that would see the Saudis buying military equipment from the U.S. In other words, Trump feels corporate profits are worth more than human life. Trump is turning the U.S. into a rotten banana republic.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:22:35 AM
^^^^^^^
Lol TDS time folks.

Pps ^^^^ the saudis murdered folk for years and your presidents have said nothing. They still traded with the sauds. Whats the difference now?

Oooops TDS

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Thank you. An answer that does not include TDS.

Now if i may take a few of those points?...........



Since you asked, the following is a list just on economic policies.

Jobs & Economy

"Work to close the pay gap"

Pay gap between whom?............


"Raise the minimum wage and strengthen overtime rules"

Do you not think the minimum wage is a bad thing? It gave bosses a chance to drop wages to the minimum wage.............


"Reform the tax code so the wealthiest pay their fair share"

Cannae argue with that.............


"Impose accountability on Wall Street"

But clinton and the democrats embraced wall street. I think that was fake policy to be honest............


"Fix and expand our roads and bridges, reducing congestion and cutting the "pothole tax"
Expand public transit options to lower transportation costs and unlock economic opportunity"

Well no one should oppose that. We all shite in the same toilet.............


"Accelerate aviation technology and invest in American airports
Build a faster, safer, and higher-capacity passenger rail system
Modernize dams, levees, and wastewater systems"

What about the environment then? More traffic more pollution..............


"Restore union collective bargaining rights
Protect workers from exploitation"

Agree on that.................


"Create a national infrastructure bank to improve rural transportation, water, and broadband infrastructure"

Agree. Very much needed apparently................


"Increase funding to support the next generation of farmers and ranchers
Invest in expanding local food markets and regional food systems"

Local jobs for local workers? As long as a decent wage gets paid.........


"Launch a nationwide effort to cut red tape for small businesses at every level of government"

Do not believe that for a minute. Statists love red tape.............


"Simplify tax filing and provide targeted tax relief for small businesses"

Reply as above.............


"Give small-business owners access to financing to build, grow, and hire"

Reply as above............


"Expand Social Security for those who need it most and who are treated unfairly today"

Yep agree with that.............


"Impose a risk fee on the largest financial institutions"

I would say an out and out lie...........


"Discourage excessive risk-taking by making senior bankers accountable
Make sure no firm is ever too big and too risky to be managed effectively
Tackle financial dangers of the “shadow banking” system
Impose a tax on high-frequency trading
Prosecute individuals when they break the law
Hold executives accountable when they are responsible for their subordinates’ misconduct
Hold corporations accountable when they break the law"

Ha ha ha . Fvck off. Absolutely NO CHANCE..............


"Strengthen American manufacturing through a $10 billion investment
Prevent countries like China from abusing global trade rules and reject trade agreements that don’t meet high standards
Revitalize the hardest-hit manufacturing communities"

So nafta and ttip are no more? Yet it was obamas flagship policy..............


"Crack down on companies that ship jobs and earnings overseas
Invest in America’s manufacturing workforce to ensure that it will always be the best in the world
Unlock access to capital"

Errr nafta and ttip anyone?.............


"Cut red tape to streamline the process of starting a small business
Provide tax relief and simplification for small businesses
Incentivize health care benefits for small businesses and their employees
Open new markets
Make sure small businesses get paid—not stiffed
Support small-business owners and entrepreneurs
Make the federal government more responsive to small business"

Do not believe that would happen.

Sooooo why did the democrats not clean up then? Why did voters not believe them? Have they lied before?

And did wall street say those policies were ok to spout? Of course SAYING and DOING are two different things eh?
 platitude545
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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:42:27 AM
All you really need to do is look up reliable articles..from say Forbes, and you will see the Democratic party, when in charge, tends to have better economic results. But that is irrelevant at this point...both parties have driven the US to the point where economic ruin in the future is almost a given.

The Republican Party of Fiscal Rectitude of old is gone and replaced wtih what is now a completely berserk party and has contributed mightily to that coming ruin. This latest tax cut it passed is not coming close to paying for itself as the Republicans lied that it would....instead it has blown a whole in the US deficit..to the tune of 1.2 trillion per year. As the government borrows ever more money to pay for that deficit...interest rates go up. As interest rates go up...debt laden economies all over the world are going to suffer. How is that going to help you over there in Scotsman land again?

So plenty of blame to go around...but as the economic reckoning comes over the world for all of the irresponsible spending....the US is going to go down...but Europe will go down even harder, and last I heard, Scotsman land is part of Europe.

What might help the US....withdraw from Nato...pull all of our troops all over the world home, and reduce our out of control military budget by 500 billion per year...use that money to pay down debt, build up infrastructure etc. 200 Billion is plenty to keep our nuclear submarines in the oceans, our bomber fleets and ICBM in good shape. We don't need a huge army or air force...nobody can touch us. Leave Europe to its own and save ourselves. We are tired of being your caretakers...time to stand on your own two feet.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:16:38 AM
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"All you really need to do is look up reliable articles..from say Forbes, and you will see the Democratic party, when in charge, tends to have better economic results. But that is irrelevant at this point...both parties have driven the US to the point where economic ruin in the future is almost a given."

At last. We agree. So republican is no better than democrat. They BOTH have destroyed your nation. Are we agreed on that point?.............


"The Republican Party of Fiscal Rectitude of old is gone and replaced wtih what is now a completely berserk party and has contributed mightily to that coming ruin. This latest tax cut it passed is not coming close to paying for itself as the Republicans lied that it would....instead it has blown a whole in the US deficit..to the tune of 1.2 trillion per year."

That i do not know. I knew not of the republican party of old..............


"As the government borrows ever more money to pay for that deficit...interest rates go up. As interest rates go up...debt laden economies all over the world are going to suffer. How is that going to help you over there in Scotsman land again?"


It's not. The old system has to be collapsed. Citizens are going to have to stop relying on the state. A mass execution of our nations political classes would be a start. Go back and start again. Get folk who WORK for a living to make policies..............


"So plenty of blame to go around...but as the economic reckoning comes over the world for all of the irresponsible spending....the US is going to go down...but Europe will go down even harder, and last I heard, Scotsman land is part of Europe."


To be fair i have always wanted the total collapse of the west. Then we can get rid of the arseholes and let decent working folk get in charge again. Eh we will ALWAYS be part of europe Platy. Its geographical like............


"What might help the US....withdraw from Nato...pull all of our troops all over the world home, and reduce our out of control military budget by 500 billion per year...use that money to pay down debt, build up infrastructure etc. 200 Billion is plenty to keep our nuclear submarines in the oceans, our bomber fleets and ICBM in good shape. We don't need a huge army or air force...nobody can touch us. Leave Europe to its own and save ourselves. We are tired of being your caretakers...time to stand on your own two feet."

Agree 100%. I would do away with nato, the un, the eu. The whole lot. And most of the world would be glad if your military DID stay in shermanland.

Because democrat OR republican yous do like a war (cue gto talking about suez that happened before i was born. If it comes to wars yous shermans love them).
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Vlad, i read your articles, and thank you for sharing. I believe the spiked article mentioned Trump caters heavily to identity politics. Of course, he's throwing raw meat out to a small crowd, and the Dems are trying for everyone else. someone else posted a list of the economic policies the Dems are selling, and i've already included Obama saving our huge automobile industry, keeping jobs in trump land, and of course, the dems probably wouldn't have handed out a huge tax cut to those global elitist rich. i guess i should also point out, the GOP tends to deregulate financial institutions, and the result is two massive recessions under both republican bush presidencies. The Frank-Dodd (both dems) bill was supposed to curb that excess, and it was quickly thrown out, along with other restrictions on Wall Street.

as for how workers do when they lose their incomes, i did mention they get cheaper goods. not a wonderful ego-boosting thing, esp. when too much spending in america isn't in cash (due to wages not rising high enough) but in credit. Unfortunately, yesterday our stock market ruled on the view of the global economy in the near future--oil stocks and tech went down. of course, every time there's a trade treaty, there's new business, and new jobs. Farmers in our midwest are hurting since they can't sell their soybeans to china, due to tariff wars.

I also liked the guardian article--nationalism went from 7% support to 25%. In our winner-takes-all-politics, only a quarter falls far short of a majority, and suggests more people are against than for. also, the article made numerous suggestions of how the nationalist parties have fascist roots, and some are authortarian--read, dictator. that seems to be what they have in common. if so, then the answer to the question, "why are they popular to a quarter of the population?" seems to be, "they offer racism in some form".

admittedly, america loves wars b/c we used to put people to work building the tools of war. in peacetime, we sell them (side note, its ironic we fear the Saudis buying weaponry from China and Russia that won't interface with our equipment, and we fear they'll mess with oil prices when we could simply stop embargoing Iran's oil, and keep producing our own shale oil, and tell the Saudis to sod off). But then, the rest of the world isn't standing in the way of our playing global cop someplace else. I don't think Europe really rushed into Yugoslavia until we led the way, and how about some of those Africa local bush wars?
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:57:01 AM
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Listen son. Well done for replying without TDS. You don't need TDS.

"Vlad, i read your articles, and thank you for sharing. I believe the spiked article mentioned Trump caters heavily to identity politics."

What identity politics? Poor white folk? That leaves the question as to why poor white folk never came on the democrats radar?.....................


"Of course, he's throwing raw meat out to a small crowd, and the Dems are trying for everyone else."

Apart from the trump folk you mean? The voters the democrats did not bother about.............


"someone else posted a list of the economic policies the Dems are selling, and i've already included Obama saving our huge automobile industry, keeping jobs in trump land, and of course, the dems probably wouldn't have handed out a huge tax cut to those global elitist rich."

How does that equate with clinton sucking up to wall street? She has made much money from them has she not?.............


"i guess i should also point out, the GOP tends to deregulate financial institutions, and the result is two massive recessions under both republican bush presidencies. The Frank-Dodd (both dems) bill was supposed to curb that excess, and it was quickly thrown out, along with other restrictions on Wall Street."

But wall street backs the democrats. It is written everywhere about clinton and wall street. So wh a t is the difference?.............


"as for how workers do when they lose their incomes, i did mention they get cheaper goods. not a wonderful ego-boosting thing, esp. when too much spending in america isn't in cash (due to wages not rising high enough) but in credit."

Wow. Cheaper chinese goods. Cannae wait................


"Unfortunately, yesterday our stock market ruled on the view of the global economy in the near future--oil stocks and tech went down. of course, every time there's a trade treaty, there's new business, and new jobs. Farmers in our midwest are hurting since they can't sell their soybeans to china, due to tariff wars."


Sooooo wall street dictates. Not trump. Not clinton. Not the russians. But wall street...............


"I also liked the guardian article--nationalism went from 7% support to 25%."

We have winner takes all in uk politics as well. Hence theresa may.............


"In our winner-takes-all-politics, only a quarter falls far short of a majority, and suggests more people are against than for. also, the article made numerous suggestions of how the nationalist parties have fascist roots, and some are authortarian--read, dictator. that seems to be what they have in common."

Lol and remember it is the GRAUNIAD. THEE liberal media outlet. Yet the grauniad does not mention the eastern european nations who were under the soviet heel. And are now under the brussels gulag heel. Maybe citizens are a bit pissed off being under totalitarian heels? Aye?...............


"if so, then the answer to the question, "why are they popular to a quarter of the population?" seems to be, "they offer racism in some form"."

Yawn. Its the ONLY explanation eh? Can't be that maybe, just maybe, citizens are fed up of centralised gulags telling them what to do?

Of course 'racism' is the intolerant illiberal liberal go to comfort blanket when they have no idea as to WHY folk head to populist parties.................


"admittedly, america loves wars b/c we used to put people to work building the tools of war. in peacetime, we sell them (side note, its ironic we fear the Saudis buying weaponry from China and Russia that won't interface with our equipment, and we fear they'll mess with oil prices when we could simply stop embargoing Iran's oil, and keep producing our own shale oil, and tell the Saudis to sod off)."


So no matter which arsehole sits in the oval office the saudis win anyway? So why the wailing about trump and the saudis?.................


"But then, the rest of the world isn't standing in the way of our playing global cop someplace else. I don't think Europe really rushed into Yugoslavia until we led the way, and how about some of those Africa local bush wars?"

Yugoslavia was nothing to do with us. It was old hatreds from centuries ago. We (our nations) bombed the serbs on easter sunday. And as they pointed out we would never have bombed an islamic nation on THEIR holy day.

As for africa. The dark continent should be left to die out. In short personally i couldnt give a fvxk.

Ps did you take the populist test?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2018/nov/21/how-populist-are-you-quiz


I'm like evo morales ayma the bolivian geezer
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:59:57 AM

Because democrat OR republican yous do like a war (cue gto talking about suez that happened before i was born. If it comes to wars yous shermans love them).


To be fair, americans like wars so long as it is not their sons and daughters fighting those wars but instead their neighbors sons and daughters. And of course the US military industrial complex needs to be fed...how do you do that without regular warring and huge cities floating around the oceans on air-craft carriers all over the world.

It really is a joke when you think of it....nobody is going to cross the Atlantic or Pacific Moats to take us on and all of that money we spend on defense will mean nothing if somebody lobs a few nuclear missiles at us.......the world has become a fuking JOKE.

I am going to be gone before climate change becomes an existential threat, but my children might be around to face it.......everything is out of control right now and it sure does seem things will be coming to a head within the next fifty years or so.

Me...I just want to live in peace....war free with good food and clean air. We still have some of that over here...... let Europe worry about Europe and let the US worry about the US......If we could send you our human rejects....the hopelesses of the world.... we would be most grateful...then we would really have a great country...until the end.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:18:17 PM

What identity politics? Poor white folk? That leaves the question as to why poor white folk never came on the democrats radar?..................…

The identity politics has more to do with tapping into those who identify strongly with chants (lock her up), fear ("invasions" of drugs, rapists, murderers), xenophobia of many forms, and divisiveness, rather than actual workable policies for all, not just poor "white" folk. The leader of the chants, xenophobia and divisiveness is white, not poor, but knew how to tap into those who are susceptible. One doesn't have to be poor or white to be susceptible to the repetitive brainwashing. All it takes is for individuals to not have a capability or willingness to understand the cause/effect of national, international and personal economics to fall into said susceptibility of brainwashing while looking to blame someone else for their lot in life - the majority of the bellyaching has to do with money than anything else. Don't get me wrong - are there those who can't fight their way out of their situations (or were born into their situations) on their own through no fault of there own? Certainly, but not in the numbers being suggested as being simply "poor WHITE folk".


Can't be that maybe, just maybe, citizens are fed up of centralised gulags telling them what to do?

Pffft...that's precisely what many citizens want, particularly those who are susceptible to the repetitive negative brainwashing. They find it extremely difficult to think for themselves and WANT to be told what to do so they can be held harmless in many cases for circumstances that otherwise would be under their control, i.e. expecting to hold heirloom jobs that no longer hold any value (such as coal); living on credit and beyond one's means for instant gratification and then blaming everyone else but themselves; poor health choices (91 million U.S. individuals obese for instance), etc. Probably the worst contributing factor for the state of affairs of those who are most susceptible is an antiquated educational system that doesn't teach according to abilities, doesn't teach about personal financial basics, doesn't promote healthy lifestyles, and doesn't promote basic morality.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:09:58 PM
Lol

"The identity politics has more to do with tapping into those who identify strongly with chants (lock her up), fear ("invasions" of drugs, rapists, murderers), xenophobia of many forms, and divisiveness, rather than actual workable policies for all, not just poor "white" folk. The leader of the chants, xenophobia and divisiveness is white, not poor, but knew how to tap into those who are susceptible. One doesn't have to be poor or white to be susceptible to the repetitive brainwashing. All it takes is for individuals to not have a capability or willingness to understand the cause/effect of national, international and personal economics to fall into said susceptibility of brainwashing while looking to blame someone else for their lot in life - the majority of the bellyaching has to do with money than anything else. Don't get me wrong - are there those who can't fight their way out of their situations (or were born into their situations) on their own through no fault of there own? Certainly, but not in the numbers being suggested as being simply "poor WHITE folk"."

What an arrogant elitist twat.

Away you and run up my ribs ya fvckin snowflake bam lol


"Probably the worst contributing factor for the state of affairs of those who are most susceptible is an antiquated educational system that doesn't teach according to abilities, doesn't teach about personal financial basics, doesn't promote healthy lifestyles, and doesn't promote basic morality."


Maybe they should listen to smug arseholes like you then? Naaaa why would anyone want to be a drippy daftie?.............


Platy


"Me...I just want to live in peace....war free with good food and clean air. We still have some of that over here...... let Europe worry about Europe and let the US worry about the US......If we could send you our human rejects....the hopelesses of the world.... we would be most grateful...then we would really have a great country...until the end."

Don't we all want to live in peace?

Can we send yous our 23,000 potential jihadis (according to our security services) then and our poor huddled masses of criminal foreigners?

If so it's a deal. Oh and our snowflakes. They are a red line.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:26:10 PM

What an arrogant elitist twat. Away you and run up my ribs ya fvckin snowflake bam lol


lol...so I take it you disagree...that many who complain about their lot in life are more responsible for it than they would like others to believe and choose to want someone else to "fix it" for them (the very government(s) they complain about)? I should have known that would be your response given your past wailing, even though there is much I can agree with you about in other instances. There's nothing elitist about believing people should be more responsible for their own fate - it's being a realist, not an elitist. Don't choke on your free booze that helps fill your poor working white belly in that "food on the table" sorta way while you get your knickers in a twist.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:37:49 PM

......If we could send you our human rejects....the hopelesses of the world.... we would be most grateful...then we would really have a great country...until the end."

Don't we all want to live in peace?

Can we send yous our 23,000 potential jihadis (according to our security services) then and our poor huddled masses of criminal foreigners?

If so it's a deal. Oh and our snowflakes. They are a red line.
no snowflakes? packing my bags tonight. I had assumed I was on the list to export anyways. by the way, took the quiz on your link and was just above dead center. not sure what that equates to in our left versus right but at the very least, I am not the far right a select few ASSUME.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 2:06:20 PM
Whether or not Trump lasts the full 4 years, it's pretty sad what he has done and continues to do with respect to how the U.S. is viewed with a 38 year low favourability rating: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/canadian-public-opinion-of-us-hits-38-year-low-survey/ar-BBPXCpp?ocid=spartanntp
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Posted: 11/21/2018 2:42:16 PM

If so it's a deal. Oh and our snowflakes. They are a red line.


Snowflakes in trade for snowflakes? We have plenty of our own snowflakes...but I'll tell y0u what, I will take ten of your snowflakes for every one of our hopelesses. At least snowflakes are passably human.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:04:27 PM
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"lol...so I take it you disagree...that many who complain about their lot in life are more responsible for it than they would like others to believe and choose to want someone else to "fix it" for them (the very government(s) they complain about)?"


Have you heard of the welfare state that was set up in the uk after ww2?...............


"William Beveridge, later to emerge as the midwife of the post-1945 welfare settlement, was also very active in the eugenics movement at this time. Today, Beveridge is generally portrayed as a kindly, avuncular figure, one almost dripping with compassion and benevolence.

But his roots were in a particularly hardline strand of eugenics. He argued in 1909 that ‘those men who through general defects are unable to fill such a whole place in industry, are to be recognised as “unemployable”.

They must become the acknowledged dependents of the State… but with complete and permanent loss of all citizen rights — including not only the franchise but civil freedom and fatherhood.’ And that, except for the loss of fatherhood, has effectively been his legacy."

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2009/11/how-eugenics-poisoned-the-welfare-state/


Yes citizens have to help themselves. But citizens who through no fault of their own becomes dependent on state wefare pay a price. They become docile and 'manageable'. Not everyone can break free from state shackles when the only work available pays less than state benefit.

And THAT situation is down to politicians.................



"I should have known that would be your response given your past wailing, even though there is much I can agree with you about in other instances."


I am as guilty of wailing as everyone else i admit to that and take my slap on the wrist...............


"There's nothing elitist about believing people should be more responsible for their own fate - it's being a realist, not an elitist."


Again i somewhat agree. But i refer back to the creation of the wefare state where government policy was about subsistence state money and in return you basically became a ward of state...................


"Don't choke on your free booze that helps fill your poor working white belly in that "food on the table" sorta way while you get your knickers in a twist."

I've never claimed to be 'poor'. Yep I've toiled for cash before but summit always shows up. Last night i had a lovely kofte kebab delivered from the supperbowl chippy in gilmerton. After it was guzzled i had a few Glayva's.

So food on the table AND free Glayva. AND the delivery driver got a nice wee tip.

I do not toil. But others do. And as economics are guided by politicians then politicians need to accept THEIR part in the misery THEY cause.

Toodle pip from a very cold Edinburgh

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Send us your normal working class sherman and I'll throw in the 'royal' family and ALL their hangers on. AND as an added bonus ALL our 'lords' and other entitled dafties.

Is that a deal sealer?

Ive just checked evo morales wiki page. You seen the barnet on him!!!!!!!!!!

Scary monsters
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Posted: 11/22/2018 12:06:43 AM
John

"no snowflakes? packing my bags tonight. I had assumed I was on the list to export anyways. by the way, took the quiz on your link and was just above dead center. not sure what that equates to in our left versus right but at the very least, I am not the far right a select few ASSUME."

Pack your bags now make and head to Edinburgh.

Someone who 'works on the tool's is always welcome.

We have a skills shortage over here. Why?

Because apprenticeships were kicked into touch. Why?

Because it was far easier to exploit east European tradesmen at minimum wage on short term contracts than train youngsters for 4 years.

We are now reaping what was sown as we have no youngsters coming through.....

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Just out of interest who would you say was responsible for the lack of apprentices?

The construction firms who had to pay to send youngsters to college for one week every month or the government who allowed skilled migrants to come here and be exploited with minimum wage?

I'm genuinely interested. And sorry for kicking off last night sometimes I don't think before I post.

As for the populism test in the grauniad (and the grauniad is using the definition of populism as held by sherman political scientist Cas Mudde) apart from Evo Morales barnet (that's hair to yous folk over the pond. Barnet Fair = hair in rhyming slang) here is a quote from said geezer..........



"The worst enemy of humanity is capitalism. That is what provokes uprisings like our own, a rebellion against a system, against a neo-liberal model, which is the representation of a savage capitalism.

If the entire world doesn't acknowledge this reality, that the national states are not providing even minimally for health, education and nourishment, then each day the most fundamental human rights are being violated.

– Evo Morales

Sounds good to me likesey
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Posted: 11/22/2018 8:13:12 AM
My hole point Vlad, skilled tradesmen are in short supply. That is why you would take him and why he could get a job anywhere...but he spends his time bit chin about immigration and accusing those he does not agree with of being what he and hopeless are....racists.
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Posted: 11/22/2018 9:09:49 AM
Platy

"My hole point Vlad, skilled tradesmen are in short supply. That is why you would take him and why he could get a job anywhere...but he spends his time bit chin about immigration and accusing those he does not agree with of being what he and hopeless are....racists."


That's not the impression i get from John's posts. Maybe it's because i see his point from a building trade way. If you have a saturated market of workers then wages will go down. Firms can then bid at a lower estimate because they do not have to pay a decent wage.

Minimum wage has been a disaster in the building trade. It meant large building firms only had to adhere to paying the minimum wage.

As for migrants. If unscrupulous firms exploit migrant tradesmen they pay minimum wage. Now the minimum wage hourly rate may be 2/3 times the hourly rate back in their nations. Get a squad of workers together and divvy up the rent where they are staying.

They are still making good wages compared to back home.

But if OUR wages go down paying bills becomes a problem. Then over here anyway the state has to make your wages up with benefits. And that is just to have a roof over your head and pay bills.

I don't blame the workers for coming over. If i could earn 2/3 times abroad than i could earn here then i would do the same.

A lot is made of the hours migrant workers put in. Maybe 7 days a week doing 10 or 12 hour shifts.

But they are exploited. The firm and the customer do well but they don't. So level the playing field. Pay skilled migrants the going rate.

We were told to expect 300,000 workers from eastern europe. We got 3,000,000 in the space of a few years.

No one should have to work 10 or 12 hour shifts 7 days a week. Unions fought for 40 hour weeks, holiday pay, sickness pay etc.

I've worked with some great polish lads. Good tradesmen. But THEY complained when bulgarians and romanians came over. Because they then undercut the polish geezers.

Surely if you graft you deserve a decent wage. But because of brexit loads of east europeans have went home.

Guess what? Wages have went up. The days of cheap exploited labour are ending.
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Posted: 11/22/2018 10:00:41 AM
vlad, take a minute (or 20) to view the 'migrant caravan' thread. I have said almost exactly what you just posted! I will take it up a rung on the ladder and include the those employing them. the sub contractor (each individual trade) and the general contractor are competing against each other in price so not many of them getting rich off cheap labor. their are not many young entering the trades because wages are low. add to that the 1099, employees are treated as a sub contractor and many that do enter quickly leave when they discover the overheads and lack of unemployement compensation. take any job and beat the wages down and you will have a shortage of workers, fill that void with exploited labor and the wages stay there!
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Posted: 11/22/2018 11:43:05 AM
interesting posts you guys...
how does that not make sense to the others?
I guess some folks need to be right more than they want to fix things or even look at their part of it. hell, their SIDE must be right, above all else.


carnival brought up tax cuts by trump in the other thread, wishing they could get A tax break.
maybe trump did cut your taxes....
mine were reduced by 3 or 4 %., saving me 6-9k $ this year.
maybe more, I don't maths.


I don't understand why folks fixate and want/need to feel above others.
Americans start out on equal ground, poor or wealthy, big family or none.

most conservatives I know don't want to divide us... stifle the other side's opinion...shame folks into submission. they want to protect and conserve our nation and our rights.

The rabid liberals seem to be the ones over the top.

guess I don't understand identity politics or want to be a part of it.

plus...its thanksgiving.
I'm thankful for so much.
just to be on the right side of the sod.

hell, I'm glad trump is here to rile you slackers up too.
also... for the electoral college. if THEY picked trump over hillary.... you know she would have been worse. that is the tell right there kiddos... they chose trump over her. it's their job to pick the winner, not the popular vote. they are more qualified and experienced at the job than all the armchair warriors combined. and their opinion counts...

happy turkey day people.
maybe thank a turkey...
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