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 Llove2laughtoo
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I am glad 2018 is long gone! The worst year in a decade. Why is that? Yeah we have a successful businessman at the helm...oh wait those 6 bankruptcies.

Amazing, six months after Trump passes his first budget the economy tanks. All of 2018's gains are gone. Kaput. Vanished into thin, orange air.

Thank you Comrade Trump!


2018 marks worst year for stock market in 10 years

2018 was a record-setting year for stocks, but it’s one investors would rather forget.

The Dow fell 5.6%. The S&P 500 was down 6.2% and the Nasdaq fell 4%. It was the worst year for stocks since 2008 and only the second year the Dow and S&P 500 fell in the past decade.

December was a particularly dreadful month: The S&P 500 was down 9% and the Dow was down 8.7% — the worst December since 1931. In one seven-day stretch, the Dow fell by 350 points or more six times. This year’s Christmas Eve was the worst ever for the index.

https://fox59.com/2018/12/31/2018-marks-worst-year-for-stock-market-in-10-years/
 johnfromzelie
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Posted: 1/1/2019 12:38:16 PM
https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf meanwhile us jobs are increasing! manufacturing up, warehousing and transportation up, both wholesale and retail up, even leisure and hospitality up! aint that a shame when a working man can afford a night out.
 BaldwinMotionPhaseIII
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:40:19 AM
"aint that a shame when a working man can afford a night out."

>>>i guess chump thinks so, b/c last campaign, he didn't bother to point out the economic numbers, but talked about "fear the immigrants" instead. then again, NINETEEN times during the presidental campaign, chump said the Obama numbers from BLS were fake news. if you look at page two of the link you gave us, John, you'll notice the numbers were also good under Obama (351 is higher than chump's numbers so far). but maybe they're suddenly real news now.

it is good to see jobs are up, of course, its Christmas time, so they usually go up. the pity is that pay has increased only 6 cents. that may suggest all the consumer spending that creates jobs is done with credit cards, and interest rates went up. if that means the cards aren't spent down by april, and the government shutdown creates a backlog at the IRS...when will people get their tax refund and spend it to keep the good times going? of course, another source of purchasing is the global market, and as you see in the report, oil prices are down. that's not a good sign, and the stock market is crashing b/c it thinks the global market is cooling off as well. its also crashing due to the twits of chump (will that be the new ides of march we should beware?).

we'll see how it goes but as your link says, things have been going well since Obama and let's hope they'll keep going and not get taken asunder by more chaos at the WhiteHouse. its wednesday, so who's leaving today?
 Carnival_Fishing
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Posted: 1/2/2019 4:56:12 PM
It's too bad that there isn't a rule that says if there's a government shutdown, the payroll to the people in the White House is also cut off. People like Trump might think twice about having a temper tantrum and shutting down the government to get his way. Although Trump and his rich cronies wouldn't be affected by missing a few paychecks, they would hate the idea of not getting paid on principle. Rich people feel that they are never rich enough.
 Million_Reasons
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Posted: 1/2/2019 5:06:53 PM
^Do you think President Trump is gonna miss the $1.00 he being is paid? Hahahaha!

How about withholding pay for ALL of Congress? And no back pay. How about we lock them all in a chamber until a deal is reached?

May as well feed them prison food while we are at it.

Heck! Let's go all in! Send them to GITMO until they can play nice and work for the American people!!!!

One can dream! :D
 daynadaze
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Posted: 1/2/2019 6:13:00 PM
How about not using other people's income as a way to win an ego race?
 Million_Reasons
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Posted: 1/2/2019 6:22:17 PM
^Agree. Somebody tell Pelosi and Schumer to fund the Wall or tear theirs' down.

Reinforcement of their TDS should NOT be indulged at the consequence of American's security.
 LeFouGamboj
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Posted: 1/2/2019 7:04:31 PM
^


Somebody tell Pelosi and Schumer to fund the Wall


Sure, ....Just as soon as El Chapo presents Schumer & Pelosi with a check for 5 Billion (on behalf of the Mexican people)
I'm sure they will both sign it and hand it over to Trump.
 platitude545
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Posted: 1/3/2019 8:31:41 AM

Reinforcement of their TDS should NOT be indulged at the consequence of American's security.


Its kind of sad million, I don't know who your previous aliase[s] were, but I suspected for a short time you might be KJ...but I quickly got over that thought. KJ was simply too intelligent to be taken in by dumb trump speak like the Wall being needed for US security..which is clearly directed to the Trump base who simply does not have the critical thinking skills to mentally challenge in their own minds whatever it is Trump is trying to sell them...
 BaldwinMotionPhaseIII
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Posted: 1/3/2019 9:36:37 AM
"It's too bad that there isn't a rule that says if there's a government shutdown, the payroll to the people in the White House is also cut off. People like Trump might think twice about having a temper tantrum and shutting down the government to get his way."

>>>chump said he wasn't going to blame the Dems for the shutdown, that he was ready to do it himself. and as usual, he was too childish to fulfill his promise. but why should all of congress get punished? the people who have shut gov't down were Newt Gingrich, Ted Cruz, and Donald the Chump. they're all Republicants. Let only the children get punished.

"just as soon as el Chapo presents a check"

>>>about the only way El Cheapo will ever fulfill his campaign promise to get Mexico to pay. why doens't he want a concrete wall? oh yeah, the largest concrete business down in that area is....Mexican :) so they'll get paid rather than pay.

speaking of KJ, she used to worry about her kid going into the military. how does she feel now about a commander in chief who has no plan but does whatever Faux Phews tells him? i'm thinking she's convinced herself she's relieved. Hopefully Syria won't become another Iraq--safe in some places, ISIS in others.
 daynadaze
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Posted: 1/3/2019 12:42:30 PM
Why would I tell anyone to give money to Trump so he can pocket it?
 Carnival_Fishing
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Posted: 1/3/2019 4:50:38 PM
Trump just added something else to his list of knowing more about something than anybody else.
Trump proclaimed he knows more about drone technology than anybody else. At a White House briefing, he said:
"Having a drone fly overhead...and I think nobody knows much more about technology—this type of technology, certainly—than I do."
When was the last time Trump flew a drone? Probably never.
 LeFouGamboj
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Posted: 1/5/2019 9:22:10 AM
^


Trump proclaimed he knows more about drone technology than anybody else.


Trump has said a good deal of grandoise balderdash over these years (much of it stupid or dopey)...that you would expect from a megalo-maniac.............This should not astonish us anymore!

What remains astonishing is that nearly none of the republican lawmakers in congress....ever speak out against him!
It will be even more interesting to see what they say (if anything), if Mueller outlines charges that warrant impeachment.
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Posted: 1/6/2019 6:25:41 AM
I have previously posted my Republican affiliation along with my Never-Trump opinions. Take that into consideration with this re-posting of the article from Yahoo Finance this morning…

On Yahoo Finance today:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-trumps-super-talkative-fact-busting-143551797.html


AP FACT CHECK: Trump's super-talkative, fact-busting week

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Donald Trump held forth on all manner of things this past week as he emerged from a "lonely" spell over the holidays. He opined for more than 90 minutes to the press, at the top of a Cabinet meeting, on the shutdown, immigration, drug prices, the Soviet history in Afghanistan, his approval ratings, Syria, oil prices, the nature of walls, the attractiveness of his generals ("better looking than Tom Cruise"), and much more.

He capped the week with a Rose Garden news conference that stretched for an hour. And he's been tweeting a lot.

Trump's accounts did not show tremendous fealty to the facts. Here's a sampling of what he said:
THE WALL
TRUMP: "We've already built a lot of the wall." — Rose Garden news conference Friday.

THE FACTS: He hasn't.

Trump's claim is only supported when counting work done under past presidents and ignoring the fact that fences from prior administrations are not the towering walls he promised. The 2006 Secure Fence Act has resulted in about 650 miles (1,050 kilometers) of border barrier. Money approved by Congress in March 2018 is to pay for 84 miles (135 km), but that work is not done. Trump has achieved some renovation of existing barrier.
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TRUMP: "The drugs are pouring into this country. They don't go through the ports of entry. When they do, they sometimes get caught." — Rose Garden news conference.

THE FACTS: He's wrong in saying drug smugglers don't or only rarely use official border crossings for their trafficking. Land ports of entry are their primary means for getting drugs into the country, not stretches of the border without barriers, says the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

The agency said in a November report that the most common trafficking technique by transnational criminal organizations is to hide drugs in passenger vehicles or tractor-trailers as they drive into the U.S. though entry ports, where they are stopped and subject to inspection. They also employ buses, cargo trains and tunnels, the report says, citing smuggling methods that would not be choked off by a border wall.
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TRUMP: "The new trade deal we have with Mexico and Canada — what we save on that, just with Mexico, will pay for the wall many times over, just in a period of a year, two years or three years. So I view that as absolutely Mexico is paying for the wall." — Rose Garden news conference.

THE FACTS: Mexico is not paying for the wall and nothing in the trade agreement would cover or refund the construction cost.

Trump is assuming a wide variety of economic benefits will come from the agreement, but they can't be quantified or counted on. For example, he said the deal will dissuade some U.S. companies from moving operations to Mexico and he credits that possibility as a payment by Mexico for his wall.

The deal updates the North American Free Trade Agreement, in the main preserving NAFTA's liberalized environment of low or no tariffs among the U.S., Mexico and Canada, while making certain improvements for each country. Trump stated inaccurately that it's "brand new. It's totally different."

Moreover, it's not in effect. The deal has yet to be ratified in any member country and its chances of winning legislative approval are not assured.

Trump has argued repeatedly that Mexico is footing the bill even while insisting on $5.6 billion from the U.S. treasury to go toward wall construction. His demand and the refusal of Democrats to satisfy it are behind the budget standoff that has closed parts of the government.
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SYRIA
TRUMP: "We had a fantastic meeting with the generals and the Syria situation. I mean, I'm the only person in the history of our country that could really decimate ISIS, say we're bringing the troops back home over a period of time. I never said so quickly, but over a period of time." — Cabinet meeting Wednesday.

THE FACTS: He's wrong about his past statements regarding the pace of withdrawal. In a video posted to his Twitter account on Dec. 19, for instance, Trump said of the roughly 2,000 troops in Syria: "They're all coming back, and they're coming back now."
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TRUMP: "I read, when we pull out, 'Oh, Russia is thrilled.' Russia is not happy. You know why they're not happy? Because they like it when we're killing ISIS, because we're killing them for them, and we're killing them for Assad, and we're killing ISIS also for Iran." — Cabinet meeting.

THE FACTS: Russia says it's happy. A U.S. withdrawal opens opportunities for Moscow and Tehran to increase their influence and may help the Syrian government survive as a Kurdish-led opposition force loses its military ally on the ground.

Russian President Vladimir Putin says the U.S. "has done the right thing" in planning to pull out.
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AFGHANISTAN
TRUMP: "The reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They (the Soviets) were right to be there." — Cabinet meeting.

THE FACTS: His assertion that the Soviet Union was experiencing a terrorist influx from Afghanistan when it invaded in 1979 is out of step with history. And his belief that the Soviets were right to invade is a stark departure from U.S. and world opinion.

The Soviets were trying to bolster communists in Afghanistan and possibly expand their influence against the United States and the West.

World condemnation was swift: The U.N. General Assembly voted 104-18 to deplore the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan. The U.S. supported the anti-communist rebels, giving them shoulder-fired rockets to down Soviet aircraft. The Soviets withdrew in 1989.
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TRUMP: "Russia used to be the Soviet Union. Afghanistan made it Russia, because they went bankrupt fighting in Afghanistan." — Cabinet meeting.

THE FACTS: Afghanistan was far from the sole reason for the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991. The dissolution occurred in a time of ethnic and political troubles, economic woes and a series of revolutions that led Soviet republics to seek their independence. The Soviet demise was accelerated by the heavy cost of competing with the West to wield influence around the world, including in Afghanistan.
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OIL PRICES
TRUMP: "Do you think it's just luck that gas prices are so low, and falling? Low gas prices are like another Tax Cut!" — tweet Tuesday.

TRUMP: "It's not luck. It's not luck. I called up certain people, and I said, 'Let that damn oil and gasoline — you let it flow — the oil.' It was going up to $125. If that would've happened, then you would've had a recession, depression." — Cabinet meeting Wednesday.

THE FACTS: It's not all about him, or even mostly about him.

While Americans may end up paying somewhat less for gasoline this year, Trump's suggestion that he deserves all the credit and averted a U.S. economic depression is an exaggeration. Oil prices, which peaked Oct. 3, have been generally falling on the realization that U.S. sanctions against Iran would not create a shortage and on fear that a global oversupply of oil will spill into 2019 if slower international economic growth depresses energy demand.

The president's supposed "let it flow" edict did not stop OPEC and its Russia-led allies from agreeing last month to cut oil production. That initially failed to stop oil prices from sliding further; they have since rebounded a few dollars in the past week. Continued OPEC production cuts would push prices higher.

Trump has pointed to his positive relations with Saudi Arabia, which remains the biggest oil exporter. As a so-called swing producer with the ability to adjust production up or down relatively quickly, it can indeed influence the price of crude. But the market is complex: Canada, for example, is actually the top source of U.S. oil imports, with Saudi Arabia second.
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TARIFFS
TRUMP: "The United States Treasury has taken in MANY billions of dollars from the Tariffs we are charging China and other countries that have not treated us fairly. In the meantime we are doing well in various Trade Negotiations currently going on." — tweet Thursday.

THE FACTS: Trump is off on two major issues. First, tariffs are taxes paid largely by U.S. business and consumers, not foreign countries. And while Trump's "MANY billions" might sound like a lot, it's doing little to nothing to improve the federal balance sheet. The U.S. government spent $4.1 trillion last fiscal year and the budget deficit shot up, according to Trump's own Treasury Department.

Customs and duties generated $41.3 billion in revenues last year, up from $34.6 billion in 2017.

That $6.7 billion increase occurred in part because of the president's tariffs. But it amounted to just 0.16 percent of federal spending.
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MATTIS
TRUMP, on Jim Mattis: "I wish him well. I hope he does well. But, as you know, President (Barack) Obama fired him and essentially so did I. I want results." — Cabinet meeting Wednesday.

THE FACTS: Actually, Mattis resigned as defense secretary in protest over Trump's decision to pull U.S. troops from Syria.

The retired Marine general announced on Dec. 20 in a resignation letter that he was stepping down after Trump's decision to withdraw 2,000 U.S. troops from Syria. Mattis said he would stay on the job until the end of February. Three days later, Trump said he was replacing Mattis with the second-ranking defense official, Pat Shanahan, on Jan. 1.

As to the tenure under Obama, Mattis served as commander of the military's Central Command. He departed a few months earlier than expected in 2013, in part because of disagreements over Iran.
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DRUG PRICES
TRUMP: "I think you're going to see a tremendous reduction in drug prices." — Cabinet meeting Wednesday.

THE FACTS: Prices continue to rise. Administration policies announced last year and currently being completed don't seem to have shifted that trend.

Figures on U.S. prescription drug price changes compiled by health data company Elsevier show that from Dec. 20 through Jan. 2, there were 1,179 product price changes. Of those, 30 were price cuts and the remaining 1,149 were price increases, with 328 of them between 9 percent and 10 percent. All but one of the rest were by lower percentages. Elsevier spokesman Chris Capot said more companies will be announcing price increases this month.

Separately, a data firm whose software can help patients find the most cost-effective medications says its information shows price increases on many commonly used drugs for conditions such as high blood pressure and diabetes.

"In the first two days of January, prices have increased on more than 250 different products," said Michael Rea, CEO of Rx Savings Solutions. The average increase is about 6 percent, he added.
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IMMIGRATION
TRUMP, on the number of immigrants living in the U.S. illegally: "I used to hear 11 million all the time. It would always stay right at 11. I said, 'Does it ever increase or go down?' 'No, it's 11.' Nobody knows. It's probably 30, 35 million people. They would flow in, mostly from the southern border, they'd come in and nobody would talk about it, nobody would do anything about it." — Cabinet meeting Wednesday.

THE FACTS: It's nowhere close to 30 million to 35 million, according to his own Homeland Security secretary as well as independent estimates.

The nonpartisan Pew Research Center estimates there were 10.7 million immigrants in the U.S. illegally in 2016, the most recent data available. Advocacy groups on both sides of the immigration issue have similar estimates.

At a House hearing last month, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen acknowledged the number was "somewhere" between 11 million and 22 million, significantly lower than Trump's claim of 35 million.

According to Pew, the number of immigrants in the U.S. illegally had reached a height of 12.2 million in 2007, representing about 4 percent of the U.S. population, before declining in part because of a weakening U.S. economy.
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TRUMP: "The coyotes are using children to gain access into this country. They're using these children. They're not with families. They're using the children. They're taking the children. And then they dispose of the children after they're done. This has been going on for years. This isn't unique to us. But we want to stop it." — Cabinet meeting Wednesday.

THE FACTS: This does happen, though it's not as common as Trump suggests by talking about it so often.

He is referring to adults who come with children they falsely claim to be theirs, so that they won't be detained under a no-child-separation policy.

But such cases of fraud are rare. According to the Homeland Security Department, about 500 immigrants were found to be not a "legitimate family unit" and thus separated upon detention from April 19 to Sept. 30 of last year. That's a small fraction of the 107,000 families apprehended in the last budget year, which ended Sept. 30.
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Associated Press writers Josh Boak, Michael Balsamo, Colleen Long, Jill Colvin, Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Robert Burns and Deb Riechmann in Washington, David Koenig in Dallas, Kathy Gannon in Islamabad and AP Medical Writer Linda A. Johnson in Trenton, New Jersey, contributed to this report.
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Posted: 1/8/2019 6:11:55 PM
If Comrade Trump is telling dozens and dozens of lies a day, why are we going to expect that he is going to tell the truth about the border wall speech tonight?

In other news:


Paul Manafort Shared Trump Polling Data With Russian Operative

"The information was accidentally revealed because of poor redactions by Manafort’s legal team."

WASHINGTON ― Attorneys for former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort accidentally revealed in a court filing Tuesday that the special counsel team led by Robert Mueller has alleged their client lied about sharing polling data with a Russian operative.

Manafort’s lawyers ― in a poorly redacted court filing responding to the special counsel’s claim that Manafort broke his September 2018 plea agreement by lying to investigators ― inadvertently revealed that Mueller’s team alleged that “Manafort lied about sharing polling data with [Konstantin Kilimnik] related to the 2016 presidential campaign.”

Kilimnik, who worked closely with Manafort, is believed to have close ties to Russian intelligence. Kilimnik was named alongside Manafort in a superseding indictment in June in connection with alleged witness tampering and obstruction of justice.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paul-manafort-mueller-investigation-konstantin-kilimnik_us_5c337efce4b09b02cb328230
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Posted: 1/8/2019 6:48:13 PM
He didn't really lie much, except for claiming “The wall will also be paid for, indirectly by the great new trade deal we have made with Mexico.” Which is false.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/politics/trump-speech.html
 Llove2laughtoo
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Posted: 1/8/2019 7:30:27 PM
So much hype for this nothing burrito of a speech from Comrade Trump. Did individual-1 say something?? Just asking, because all I heard from Comrade Trump aka the Lying King was blah, blah, blah with some gobbledygook and a whole lot of lies thrown in.

MAGA: Morons Are Governing America.
 Noftheborder
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Posted: 1/8/2019 7:42:06 PM
lol at not lying “much”. It only seems that way to you because this staged campaign soft rant was much shorter than his usual unscripted rants.
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Posted: 1/8/2019 8:25:35 PM

lol at not lying “much”. It only seems that way to you because this staged campaign soft rant was much shorter than his usual unscripted rants.

Typical response on these boards, as if you are privy to the workings of my mind and the impact of a long versus short "rant" on how you are certain the take-away "seems that way to [me]." Here's a thought ... instead of the condescension, why not just ask what I meant by the qualifier "much"? I used it because "the great new trade deal we have made with Mexico" has not even come to fruition yet, so it's kind of hard to accuse him of lying about the outcome.


My post #8094 was in response to #8093 by love2laugh:
If Comrade Trump is telling dozens and dozens of lies a day, why are we going to expect that he is going to tell the truth about the border wall speech tonight?


If you or love2laugh have other specific examples of the "lies" you supposedly heard tonight, why not name that tune, so we can discuss specific points, instead of just waving your arms around and vaguely claiming there were a "whole lot of lies thrown in." That just makes you guys a liar(s), if it's not true.


Even the "failing New York Times" (see link I provided), who is no fan of his, said that most of what he stated "Needs context." That's not a lie, FYI.


I won't hold my breath.

These boards are same as they ever were. Lazy, self-styled "politicos" who get their jollies by mocking and deriding people who you may assume are politically different from you versus having any kind of meaningful exchange. Just comes down to boring name-calling and driving away anybody who you can intimidate. How stimulating ... NOT.
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Posted: 1/8/2019 9:06:57 PM
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If you or love2laugh have other specific examples of the "lies" you supposedly heard tonight, why not name that tune, so we can discuss specific points, instead of just waving your arms around and vaguely claiming there were a "whole lot of lies thrown in.


Sure, I'll start by noting his lie that YOU pointed out in msg 8094:

1. He didn't really lie much, except for claiming “The wall will also be paid for, indirectly by the great new trade deal we have made with Mexico.” Which is false.

Then:

2. we have a border "Crisis"...............which is another LIE, because if it were a true crisis, what would stop him from appropriating emergency funds to build a wall without Congressional approval.


3. "we have a shut down because of Democrats"..............No, we have a shut down because of Trump, as he readily admitted that he would "carry the mantle" of a shut down....right to the face of Schumer & Pelosi

4. "democrats want a steel wall"...............Democrats made no such demand! There is already a steel fence/barrier along much of the border even before Trump was President....that is constantly being repaired.

5. "drugs flowing up from the border".....................again a lie!...........Much of the drugs come from seaports where onlt 2% of merchandise ever gets inspected...........just ask El Chapo!
 calliopedreams
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Posted: 1/8/2019 10:57:25 PM
You know ... there was someone else in the last year or two, who used my quotes to reiterate their own position. Sounds familiar.

Anyway, this article covers items 1 (Dubious), 4 (Partly right, needs context) & 5 (Misleads):

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/jan/08/live-fact-checking-president-donald-trumps-immigra/

BTW, they rate the claim that the trade agreement will pay for the wall as "dubious" rather than false.

Item 2 was not quoted by you correctly. He called it a:
a) humanitarian and security crisis at our southern border,
b) humanitarian crisis. A crisis of the heart, and a crisis of the soul (subjective, and actually, offensive, IMO, considering his previous policies).
I didn't even see him use the word "emergency," let alone a National Emergency, which is what is required to appropriate funds from the Military budget, etc.


In 1976, Congress passed the National Emergencies Act, which permits the president to pronounce a national emergency on a whim, at his discretion. The act offers no definition of “emergency.” It lays out no required criteria; it demands no showing by the president.

Declaring a national emergency also gives the president access to dozens of laws with specialized funds he otherwise would not have.


The jump to calling it a lie is a non-sequitur.

Item 3 - You made up a false quote. The correct quote is "The federal government remains shut down for one reason, and one reason only, because Democrats will not fund border security." This is true, because he said "remains."

Here's the transcript:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/politics/trump-speech-transcript.html

Sorry, none of your examples stands up as a lie.
This board is so B-List.
 Llove2laughtoo
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Posted: 1/8/2019 11:27:17 PM

Donald Trump’s Border Speech Gets A Savage Instant Fact-Check On Fox News

Critics immediately panned President Donald Trump’s prime-time speech pushing for a U.S.-Mexico border wall for its numerous lies and misrepresentations, even on the president’s favorite network.

Fox News anchor Shepard Smith challenged many of Trump’s claims by using the government’s own numbers.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-border-speech-fox-news_us_5c356ed3e4b0dbd06601649c


MAGA: Morons Are Governing America.
 Llove2laughtoo
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Posted: 1/8/2019 11:29:53 PM

Msg: 8098
Sure, I'll start by noting his lie that YOU pointed out in msg......


Its a losing proposition to try to talk with a Comrade Trump supporter, facts don't matter. I won't waste my breath, orange kool-aid drinkers will never be convinced.

Take for example WH Secretary Sarah Sanders, Vice President Mike Pence and Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen defending Comrade Trumps administration claims that thousands of terrorists are crossing the southern border.

These false claims are even contradicted by his own administration. How can anyone take these compulsive liars seriously? The difference between Baghdad Bob and these clowns is that these liars are willful participants, if Baghdad Bob didn't say what Saddam Hussein wanted him to say, Baghdad Bob would have been shot.

MAGA: Morons Are Governing America.
 calliopedreams
Joined: 11/21/2017
Msg: 8102
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Will President Elect Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?
Posted: 1/8/2019 11:37:39 PM
Just because I try to stimulate a reasoned debate versus a bunch of name calling, you stamp me a "Comrade Trump supporter"?

That's it? That's the best you can do?

Then you dredge up old examples of lies, versus accept the challenge of trying to illustrate the statement you made @Msg: 8095 about "a whole lot of lies thrown in" to this evening's address with actual examples that are broadly supported?

You guys are so limited in your ability to stretch your minds. Your narrow POV and inability to apply logical derivations are pathetic.

Talk about a waste of time.

ETA:

If I go to the link you provided @Msg: 8100, it says

"Smith quickly added perspective."

Far from claiming there were "lies."


This board is so D-List.
 platitude545
Joined: 10/2/2018
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Posted: 1/9/2019 7:41:38 AM
please Calliop...you are full of sh^t. We call him a liar because everything the man says and does stems from the fact he is a con man of epic proportions. He manufactured a crises out of nothing so any thing he says to support this non crises is a fraud on the people. You can come up with all of the justifications in the world to support the grifter...he is still a fraud of a man. Its sad how you all support the guy. Million claims the wall is needed to stop all of that human traffiking, which is probably no more than .0001 % of the traffic crossing the border. The argument we need a wall in the first instance is a lie. Any excuses to justify the wall are lies too because they stem from a big lie.
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