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 vlad dracul
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LeFou
"accuse YOU of?"

Yes.................

"Now are you playing as a poor dumb political waif.........or are you really that dense?...............I am not personalizing my remarks toward you.....only towards that which you are trying to defend!"

You stated that i was naive if i thought there was no agenda other than what the electorate were told. As a 16 year old who was not old enough to vote. So what was i trying to defend?..............

"so what are you trying to tell us............that your former leaders should be given a pass for their political cowardice.....and we (you) should direct the anger & dismay squarely at Brussels."

Our former 'leaders" are all dead. Who gave them a pass? The anger displayed towards brussels was shown in 2016. Many many years after we were lied to...............

"Its sort of like going to a gambling Casino....and losing all your money, then lambasting the Casino directors for your loses because you felt you should have been dealt a better hand."

No its not...............

"Just curious drac.....but were the other countries who joined the EU (after the UK )...deceived in the same manner? Or was the UK the only country that was deceived (by way of its former leaders) into joining"

I don't know. I'm only concerned with the uk.................

"then why is May going back to Brussels?"

Because she never wanted brexit. She is widely seen as one of the worst prime ministers we have ever had.........

"what has prevented you from doing this^ all along?...........Or do you mean that you want everyone else to see things your way.....and only your way!"

We do not have a say in apparatchiks holding power in Brussels. Citizens can see things how they want. That is their choice..............

"No...for what reason!
I did watch old clips of the Nurenberg trials........when the remnant Nazi command was being tried for "crimes against humanity"......underwhich was the catagory of SLAVE labor............the very same thing your country was doing while these trials were in progress!"

Because the danes were using pow's to clear mines. Where many died. I've already stated i know the victorious allies used german pow's as slave labour. So what's your point?..............

"well then, naturally.....your brand of "exploitation" must be more humane than that of the EU"

Why?.................

"You just love to play dumb"

Who says i am playing?...............

"The point is....do not "throw rocks" at the windows of the EU......when you are just as guilty of exploitation as they are (if not more)..........you just don't like the fact that somebody other than yourselves decides when and who should be exploited..and at whose expense!"

I am? Personally? Wow...............

"Secrets notwithstanding.......I'm sure that if joining the EU would have made the UK its premier nation (instead of Germany and France).............Heath & others, would have gone down in history as the top leaders in the UK along side Churchill........and I seriously doubt you'd be screaming about "loss of democracy" all the ills that the EU brings forth to other "lesser" nations! "

Ah 'secrets notwithstanding'. How could the uk have been the premier nation? We never set the 'common market' up? Once again you head back to times when i was not old enough to vote. I'm no great fan of churchill. You can seriously doubt all you want. Your point is irrelevant because it is hypothetical..............

"and if you think that Russian interference has not existed......and does not play (or played) a factor in the US (and even some Euro) elections................then you are BEYOND naive!"

I hope they have played a part. After all washington has involved itself in many nations, including mine for years. Welcome to the 'foreign involvement' club.

What is beyond naive then?.......

"That is right Drac............its all a MYTH.............those poor Russians....get blamed for everything....Like trump, make sure you never say anything bad about them..............."

I've already stated my disappointment that president the donald has not kept his promise to not involve shermanland in other nations business................

"because as soon as you get out of the EU.......you'll be looking in the direction of Moscow...............after all, they never "dragged" you into any war, right?"

Where did i say i would be looking in the direction of moscow? Why would i look to moscow? And can you name a war moscow has dragged the uk into? Or are you being naive?..............

"Just curious...........who is it that pointed a gun to your heads and "dragged" you into war?"

Politicians and governments which i never helped elect. They followed washingtons lead. Iraq being the prime example...............

"that is a good question for your beloved Royals...........whose wealth is immeasurable"

Who's beloved royals? Mine? Why would i find them 'beloved'? Anytime the fvckers are in the palace of holyrood they cause nothing but traffic jams and road closures. The fvckers should stay in london as far as i am concerned.

Oooooo and ANOTHER goooooooooal
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/29/2019 10:38:46 PM
Platy
"Hey Vlad... I am posting this for you. Thought you would enjoy this article."

That was a good article. Cheers for that. Did you see the geezer mentioned an amendment by london labour mp yvette cooper?

In coopers constituency 70% of the electorate voted leave. You would think she would have represented their will. But nope. SHE wants brexit scuppered so what the voters think does not matter.

Hopefully they show their displeasure at the next election. Oh and she is also a figure of much fun at her virtue signalling.

When the syria crisis led to many many syrians wanting to come to the west, our intrepid virtue signaller declared that she would house syrian refugees in one of her THREE houses. But she must not have been in when they arrived at one of her THREE houses because her houses remain refugee free.

The geezer in the article you provided has a good grasp on what is going on over here. Although i would prefer us to leave with no deal. Trade on wto rules.

But most of all stop that stupid bint may from giving brussels £40 billion. Keep the money and spend it here training our youngsters in skills and trades.
 LeFouGamboj
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Posted: 1/30/2019 6:52:50 AM
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So what was i trying to defend?


being a hapless victim of secretive EU policy


Many many years after we were lied to....


Many years?...........how about leaving at the time your govt found out they had been lied to........wouldn't it have been easier to leave in 1985 (or even 1995) then now?.......it is sort of like leaving your wife (or husband) 20 years after you discovered he/she was cheating on you.................do the math, something doesn't add up


No its not....


yes it is........and you know it!


Because she never wanted brexit. She is widely seen as one of the worst prime ministers we have ever had


Oh, is that why she was given a majority vote of CONFIDENCE by your parlament?.........man, thanks for clearing that up for me!


Why?


you don't seem to have too many qualms about it


We never set the 'common market' up?


that was your (leader's) mistake...............you get in on it 30 years later, and you expect what?..........blame yourselves not Brussels


After all washington has involved itself in many nations, including mine for years.


we tried hard to mind our own business...up until 1942, when they all came a'callin'


I've already stated my disappointment that president the donald has not kept his promise to not involve shermanland in other nations business


you are "dissapointed" that a pathologic liar/narcissist...didn't keep promises?............how naive!


Where did i say i would be looking in the direction of moscow?


post 8294............unless of course you don't consider yourselves to be Europeans


Why would i look to moscow?


Cheap Gas.....and super cheap goods....that you will no longer be able to trade for with the EU....maybe!


They followed washingtons lead.


so you are blaming washington.........for dragging you into wars that your leaders were more than glad to partake in...there wasn't an American war/covert missions that your govt wasn't eager to be part of.....where was the public outcry for being "dragged" into wars by Washington?.........I'm sure we'll be seeing the Brits in Venezuela too....if Trump starts another war of distraction..............get ready for your leaders to spend more money (money that the citizens won't get) if Trump invades.

Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaal......................Carry on!
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/30/2019 8:11:19 AM
LeFou
"So what was i trying to defend?
being a hapless victim of secretive EU policy"

Lots of folk have been victims of eu policy. Which is why populist parties are doing better in european nations.......


"Many years?...........how about leaving at the time your govt found out they had been lied to........wouldn't it have been easier to leave in 1985 (or even 1995) then now?.......it is sort of like leaving your wife (or husband) 20 years after you discovered he/she was cheating on you.................do the math, something doesn't add up"

Do the math?.................

"When, in 1961, Britain first applied to join “the Six”, Harold Macmillan and Edward Heath had been fully briefed by Monnet’s allies as to the project’s ultimate goal, full economic and political union.

But papers released under the 30-year rule show that, at the end of June, the Cabinet accepted their urging that, for “presentational” reasons, this should not be revealed to the public or Parliament. British entry should be sold as being only to a “Common Market”, concerned just with trade and jobs."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/12176234/Nine-deceptions-in-our-history-with-the-EU.html


"We can also now see how deliberately, when Heath applied for British entry in 1970, he perpetuated the same deception.

His Europe minister was sent to plead with Brussels to keep quiet about its already emerging plans for a single currency (another Monnet idea).

And although we were repeatedly told that British entry would involve “no essential loss of sovereignty”, a secret Foreign Office paper, released 30 years later, shows that the government knew how important it was to conceal just how untrue this was.

This was compounded in the 1975 referendum, when the campaign for Britain to stay in deliberately centred only on how vital this was to our trade and economic prosperity

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/12176234/Nine-deceptions-in-our-history-with-the-EU.html

The document from 1961 was kept hidden under the 30 year rule. So how would we have known in 1985? And the document from 1970 was kept hidden under the 30 year rule. So how would we have known in 1985?............


"No its not....
yes it is........and you know it!"

No it really isn't.............


"Oh, is that why she was given a majority vote of CONFIDENCE by your parlament?.........man, thanks for clearing that up for me!""

Er parliament are not voters. Mp's follow the party whips. The public never gave her a vote of confidence. Hope that makes it even clearer...............


"Why?
you don't seem to have too many qualms about it"

Don't i? Why would i want to see working class folk exploited?...............


"We never set the 'common market' up?

that was your (leader's) mistake...............you get in on it 30 years later, and you expect what?..........blame yourselves not Brussels"

Why would i blame myself? I never voted to join the common market. I was not old enough to vote................


"After all washington has involved itself in many nations, including mine for years.

we tried hard to mind our own business...up until 1942, when they all came a'call."

Who was talking about ww2? I was talking about the Scottish Independence referendum and the Brexit referendum..............


"I've already stated my disappointment that president the donald has not kept his promise to not involve shermanland in other nations business

you are "dissapointed" that a pathologic liar/narcissist...didn't keep promises?............how naive!"

Well if it was not for dumb naive folk like me however would the plenty of fish free dating site off topic forum intellectuals like you get a chance to show your superiority?.................


"Where did i say i would be looking in the direction of moscow?

post 8294............unless of course you don't consider yourselves to be Europeans"

No. Where did I say i would look in the direction of moscow? What other citizens think is up to them is it not?............


"Why would i look to moscow?

Cheap Gas.....and super cheap goods....that you will no longer be able to trade for with the EU....maybe!"

Again why would I look to moscow? And you think the eu will no longer trade with us? How naive...............


"They followed washingtons lead.

so you are blaming washington.........for dragging you into wars that your leaders were more than glad to partake in...there wasn't an American war/covert missions that your govt wasn't eager to be part of.....where was the public outcry for being "dragged" into wars by Washington?.........

You think the public all approved of us getting involved in foreign wars? How naive.................


"I'm sure we'll be seeing the Brits in Venezuela too....if Trump starts another war of distraction..............get ready for your leaders to spend more money (money that the citizens won't get) if Trump invades."

I would hazard a guess that we will not get involved in venezuela...................

"Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaal......................Carry on!"

No you get a gooooooooooooal when your post is the first on a new page. So your goal is disallowed.
 HawkingJr
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Posted: 1/30/2019 1:21:55 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-calls-his-intelligence-people-naive/ar-BBSWGkF?ocid=ientp

The only thing I have to say about that is: you appointed all of them, so does that make you naïve for having done so instead of appointing people that would only espouse your views?

The Trump Cult is the most dangerous creation this country's ever seen. I imagine they're looking at this episode and saying "Trump taking his boys (and one girl) to the woodshed!" whereas any normal person would look at this episode and think "MY GOD... this egotistical moron really does think he knows more than his generals and intelligence officers -- and he's belittling them publicly! He needs psychological testing!" The only thing that can disembowel (but probably not kill) this cult is a complete and total shellacking in the next election.
 LeFouGamboj
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Posted: 1/30/2019 4:13:33 PM
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Which is why populist parties are doing better in european nations.


Many heavily backed by Russia.........remember the LePen party in France.........but despite strong Russian support....she lost out...........Vive la France


"We can also now see how deliberately, when Heath applied for British entry in 1970, he perpetuated the same deception.
His Europe minister was sent to plead with Brussels to keep quiet about its already emerging plans for a single currency (another Monnet idea).


You seem to lay a good amount of blame for your EU entrenchment ...on your leader's deceptive maneuvering.
If you are right.............then why would these leaders deceive the UK public like that, and why was there such lack of transparency given the weight of the decision at hand.................based on your remarks, they could be almost as bad of traitors as Trump is..................Or could they just be plain stupid, and got hoodwinked in the worst way!....................but the bottom line is that the ultimate fault lies with the Uk leadership.........not with Brussels.


Why would i blame myself? I never voted to join the common market. I was not old enough to vote.


I said "blame yourselves (the UK)".........not yourself personally............If you get any denser, you might be able to bend light around you!


I was talking about the Scottish Independence


Scots voted to stay with the UK....................so whatever that brings unto you.........you will have to accept.


Well if it was not for dumb naive folk like me however would the plenty of fish free dating site off topic forum intellectuals like you get a chance to show your superiority?


now...you are starting to make some sense!


No. Where did I say i would look in the direction of moscow?


Hate to break the news..........but its not just about where you will be looking.........when the dust settles, you will have to flow with the political trade winds............and if the trade winds point towards Russia...........then so shall you go along for the ride!


And you think the eu will no longer trade with us


Sure they will............as long as the EU buyers will be happy paying the tariffs on your products, all will be "fine"......what used to cost them 2........will be costing them 4.


You think the public all approved of us getting involved in foreign wars?


they couldn't have minded that much...........since the UK kept doing it over and over.........from Korea to iraq!


Why would i want to see working class folk exploited?


Too bad this ^ question was never posed during the hey-day of the UK....up the time the UK joined the EU.


I would hazard a guess that we will not get involved in venezuela


just don't bet all the family jewels on that ^
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.........................double post.................................oops!
 jon1725
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Posted: 1/30/2019 6:32:37 PM
Now we have states that want to murder a new born baby. Hopefully when this happen these people will be brought up on murder charges. I wonder if cnn and msnbc have given this much time????. Ghoulish is a great name for these very sick leaders like cuomo!! And cuomo says the death penalty is morally indefensible and should not be available in the 21st century. Now that was out of the same breath of a human that is ok to kill a baby. You just can't make this stuff up and all these candidates for president are going to have to answer and it will be interesting to see their answers.

And then there is bette midler says Schultz is a reminder of how wealthy, opinionated white guys are just like Starbucks: there’s one on every f uc$ing corner. Had to change the F word

^^^^^^Bette dear, you just can't stand he may run as an independent but had he run as a democrat, you would not have said a word.....you would be singing your song: "wind beneath my wings"...........what a hypocrite!!!!!

This democratic primary is gonna be awesome!!!!!!!
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/30/2019 11:25:47 PM
LeFou
"Many heavily backed by Russia.........remember the LePen party in France.........but despite strong Russian support....she lost out...........Vive la France"

Marine Le Pen done quite well actually. Considering the so called socialist party called on it's core vote to cast their ballot for macron. A move that put macron in power. That's worked out well for them...............


"You seem to lay a good amount of blame for your EU entrenchment ...on your leader's deceptive maneuvering.
If you are right.............then why would these leaders deceive the UK public like that, and why was there such lack of transparency given the weight of the decision at hand.................based on your remarks, they could be almost as bad of traitors as Trump is.................."

As to why the deception took place i can only hazard a guess. But i would think a few back handers took place. As for a lack of transparency i would put that down to pockets being lined. I wouldn't say they were traitors as such. More like they were arrogant.................


"Or could they just be plain stupid, and got hoodwinked in the worst way!....................but the bottom line is that the ultimate fault lies with the Uk leadership.........not with Brussels."

Totally agree about the fault lying with politicians. But as our parliament is a first past the post system you end up voting for any party that represents many of the views you have. I have always voted SNP in general elections. But i voted ukip in the european elections....................


"I said "blame yourselves (the UK)".........not yourself personally............If you get any denser, you might be able to bend light around you!"

Aw thanks. That's cheered me up no end. A bowl of porridge for brekkie then a nice compliment. Sorted..............


"Scots voted to stay with the UK....................so whatever that brings unto you.........you will have to accept."

Yep folk bottled it in the indy ref. I accept that we lost. Which means that Scotland could vote remain in the brexit referendum. But it was a uk election. So those remain voting Scots will need to accept the uk voted for brexit............


"Well if it was not for dumb naive folk like me however would the plenty of fish free dating site off topic forum intellectuals like you get a chance to show your superiority?

now...you are starting to make some sense!"


See? Quid pro quo. I compliment you and you compliment me. Peace and harmony all around.................


"Hate to break the news..........but its not just about where you will be looking.........when the dust settles, you will have to flow with the political trade winds............and if the trade winds point towards Russia...........then so shall you go along for the ride!"

Is that your prediction then? Or are you ITK about something? Only time will tell................


"Sure they will............as long as the EU buyers will be happy paying the tariffs on your products, all will be "fine"......what used to cost them 2........will be costing them 4."

Yet the eu gulag nations send many many goods to the uk. So if they hammer us in tariffs then we do the same back. Millions of eu workers rely on us buying goods they make..............


"they couldn't have minded that much...........since the UK kept doing it over and over.........from Korea to iraq!"

Once again the decisions made were taken by politicians..............


"Too bad this ^ question was never posed during the hey-day of the UK....up the time the UK joined the EU."

We never joined the eu. We joined the common market. At least thats what we were told we were voting for........


"I would hazard a guess that we will not get involved in venezuela

just don't bet all the family jewels on that ^"

Maybes aye. Maybes naw. But i would say naw.
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Posted: 1/31/2019 3:41:16 AM
We did join the EU Vlad in 1991 or 1994, I can't remember. it was John Major's government who signed us up to that. What you might man is that the electorate were not asked about it. Nor were we asked if the UK should join the EEC although we were asked once we had joined (1971) whether we should leave or not (1975).

If Major had asked the electorate back in 1991 and got a yes vote then all the campaigning to leave would probably never have happened, certainly I would have accepted that vote.

BTW I see Cameron is suffering, he's only taking in around £40,000 a month since stepping down as PM.
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"We did join the EU Vlad in 1991 or 1994, I can't remember. it was John Major's government who signed us up to that. What you might man is that the electorate were not asked about it. Nor were we asked if the UK should join the EEC although we were asked once we had joined (1971) whether we should leave or not (1975). 

If Major had asked the electorate back in 1991 and got a yes vote then all the campaigning to leave would probably never have happened, certainly I would have accepted that vote. 

BTW I see Cameron is suffering, he's only taking in around £40,000 a month since stepping down as PM."

Yep our politicians did indeed make choices that we were never consulted on.

But the point I'm trying to put over was in 1961 heath and macmillan knew where the common market was heading. But they deliberately hid the truth under the 30 years secret act......

"When, in 1961, Britain first applied to join “the Six”, Harold Macmillan and Edward Heath had been fully briefed by Monnet’s allies as to the project’s ultimate goal, full economic and political union. 

But papers released under the 30-year rule show that, at the end of June, the Cabinet accepted their urging that, for “presentational” reasons, this should not be revealed to the public or Parliament. British entry should be sold as being only to a “Common Market”, concerned just with trade and jobs."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/12176234/Nine-deceptions-in-our-history-with-the-EU.html

So the electorate were oblivious to the intention. The papers only being released in 1991.

Then when heath wanted us in 'the common market' in 1970 once again the intentions were hidden for 30 years.......

"We can also now see how deliberately, when Heath applied for British entry in 1970, he perpetuated the same deception. 

His Europe minister was sent to plead with Brussels to keep quiet about its already emerging plans for a single currency (another Monnet idea). 

And although we were repeatedly told that British entry would involve “no essential loss of sovereignty”, a secret Foreign Office paper, released 30 years later, shows that the government knew how important it was to conceal just how untrue this was. 

This was compounded in the 1975 referendum, when the campaign for Britain to stay in deliberately centred only on how vital this was to our trade and economic prosperity

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/12176234/Nine-deceptions-in-our-history-with-the-EU.html

So when the referendum took place in 1975 two vital pieces of information had been hidden from the voters.

Then various treaties were signed without us being asked.

If we had known the truth about where the common market was headed we would have said no to joining in 1975.

Call me dave is a tosser and a coward. And Tony Blair is one of leaves best assets. Every time he opens his mouth.
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What “narrative” are you talking about? They put his Tweets on the screen, word-for-word with no editing. They play his speeches and on-camera ramblings on the air, word-for-word. You don’t have to listen to any commentary to realize the man sounds like a highly contradictory uneducated adolescent bigot – your writing is too good for you not to realize this (unlike, say, John), therefore you are being purposefully obtuse, or worse yet, do realize this but are covering for/defending the man just because you agree with his policies.

I alluded to this in my previous post but let me clarify. I agree with you…… Trump can ramble and go on a riff that I don’t much care for. I see exaggeration, branding, marketing, repetition, but encompassing a variety of masks dependent on the role he’s playing.

Liberals are trying to make an issue out of Trump going on a date with a porn star, ten years ago, where consensual sex happened between adults. I thought President Clinton exposing his****for BJ in the Oval Office wasn’t a reason for impeachment. I didn’t support Republicans on this. I was uneasy with the power dynamic between the Leader of the Free World and a young intern.

My first year in college I worked for this company in logistics. I still remember going to a vendor and watching a male worker grab a bag of stacked Styrofoam coffee cups, put them in front of his crotch, and poke this woman in the face that was a secretary. It had me thinking about President Clinton and his impact on sexual harassment in the workplace.


I highly doubt that, considering I’m sure you had no problem with Republicans endlessly “investigating” Hillary’s use of a private email server – what is that but a “process crime” if it is a crime at all? You’d be whooping and hollering until your throat cracked if more than a half dozen Obama campaign officials were charged with lying to the FBI and Congress

I provided an honest response and you reject it lol

HRC did have a personal server to get around the system, destroyed evidence after a subpoena, completely cheated Bernie out of the Democrat Presidential Primary, and her campaign financed the Trump-Russia dossier used against Trump for a FISA warrant. The “Alternative Facts” produced by MSM are infamous.


Just out of curiosity, if you’d been in that same class I was in, how would you felt about what my teacher was saying? I’m not talking about your views on the Civil War or what have you – I mean, how would you felt about what the teacher was trying to do? Would you have been all right with it because you agreed with him?

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-09-17/colleges-have-way-too-many-liberal-professors
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"" The Trump Cult is the most dangerous creation this country's ever seen""

I don't necessarily agree the most dangerous but definitely the most mindless. The way they compartmentalize in their brains is unique...something they don't agree with is fake. Liberals are labled. They ate clearly racists but refuse to accept the title through false reasoning. And they think we are the deluded ones.
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“Liberals are trying to make an issue out of Trump going on a date with a porn star, ten years ago, where consensual sex happened between adults.”

As many have said before, the issue isn’t Trump having sex with a porn star AND carrying on a year-long affair with a Playmate shortly after his wife gave birth (unless you’re a conservative Christian and believe that to be a disgusting sin that you consider disqualifying from office... in which case, your support of Trump makes you a lowlife hypocrite – say what you want about Mormons and their strange cultish religion, but they’re a lot more true to their faith when it comes to Republican politicians than all the Protestants and Catholics who voted for Trump, as he couldn’t even get a majority of the vote in Utah, otherwise one of the reddest states in the union).

The issue is that he illegally paid them to be quiet about it in the middle of a campaign, knew it was illegal when he was doing it, then knowingly illegally attempted to cover it up and lied to the American people about the original act, the payoff AND the cover-up (otherwise we’d just talking about a campaign finance law violation that’s an FEC fine – instead he started piling on the felonies, mostly because he figured he had the power to get away with it). Even now he’s refusing to man up about the situation by avoiding discussing it with prosecutors or a Congressional committee, because he knows he’d tack on perjury to all the other laws he’s violated. Which is, of course, what got Clinton. If Trump was an actual honest man, worthy of being a role model to American youth, he wouldn’t be in this situation.

“I didn’t support Republicans on this.”

Really, now. Did you vote against any of them for engaging in that “witch hunt”?

“HRC did have a personal server to get around the system, destroyed evidence after a subpoena, completely cheated Bernie out of the Democrat Presidential Primary, and her campaign financed the Trump-Russia dossier used against Trump for a FISA warrant.”

That first thing is the one thing I cannot defend her against. Any excuses to the contrary ring hollow. But it’s interesting I can admit that, and no Trump worshipper can admit that any of the excuses for all of his obvious lies ring hollow. That said, Hillary’s server is, legally, at most a “process error.” You know, sorta like Ivanka using personal email for government business.

And I’m tired of hearing a bunch of whining about how Sanders was “cheated out of the Democratic nomination” – at least by Clinton. Clinton beat him by 4 million votes in the primaries. Just as Clinton beating Trump by 3 million votes in the general election is not insignificant, neither is that 4 million vote margin in the primary. Unless she’s perfected population mind control or you’re claiming 50 state governments engaged in some kind of Cuban-type election rigging, she would have been the winner under almost any circumstances. Sanders unquestionably had a lot of issues with minority voters, and the Democratic Party is a minority-powered party – that’s how the much more well-known Clinton was beaten by Obama in 2008. I don’t ever see anybody accusing Obama of cheating to beat her, and the rules were essentially the same. Now there is not much question the party leaders wanted Clinton to win, and the Superdelegate concept (which ultimately played not part in choosing the winner) is a bunk of anti-democracy junk. But in the end, Clinton had the support of blacks and Hispanics, while Sanders had the support of the type of wishy-washy white people that turned around and voted for the most anti-Sanders type person they could find in the general election.

This “dossier” crap originally funded by Republicans is nothing but a bunch of overblown hoopla. In the end, it had no effect on the election (as almost no one knew it existed until afterwards) and the legal proceedings it sparked were backed up by a lot of corroborating evidence that led to even more illegal and questionable Trump behavior that wasn’t even in it. Getting PO’ed that the dossier led to legal problems for Trump is like getting upset that a traffic stop for “weaving” led to the destruction of a drug cartel.

“https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-09-17/colleges-have-way-too-many-liberal-professors”

Yeah, that did not answer my question, because it was written by somebody else besides you – I asked what *you* would have felt in that *high school* class I was in.

"I don't necessarily agree the most dangerous but definitely the most mindless. "

The cults that were more dangerous by deeds and theories had FAR smaller numbers than Trump's cult -- after all, we never even came close to having a President Wallace, and his was probably the biggest cult in American history prior to Trump (close second: KKK in the 1920s).

*

I love how Trump is now saying that his intelligence leaders he said were "naïve" and needed to go back to school were "misquoted" by the press. I imagine they outright lied to him to save their necks after obviously contradicting them in their public testimony. Even if they really were misquoted by the press (which they weren't), then Trump has admitted that he didn't watch their testimony, read their reports or taking any briefings from them at the time he went crazy on Twitter -- he was just reacting to the "fake news" he was watching. What kind of president is that? It really is not farfetched that he could get us into a war (Venezuela?) based on what some manipulative media people were telling him (you know, like the ones that manipulated him into a shutdown) instead of what his intelligence and military people are telling him. Jesus, please just 2 more years (or less) of this -- if we can just make it that far, the planet might survive. Hopefully there are enough wife abusers on his staff to prevent him from signing off on World War III over an insult.
 Inicia
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What is going on currently in this administration- is indeed a blight- let us hope it is a blight that wakes up those, who can't understand when a government creates-hot button- false fears and moral issues-to sway those who feel vulnerable/insecure indeed often in a faith-because faith means knowing God gives to man what is his_government!!! rather than addressing serious issues our world leaders need to be addressing-unnecessary death due to warfare-health care-climate- economic plights-for food-shelter-education- poverty-injustices- non-equivalent civil rights- these are necessary human policies-that protect our home the earth-- Government is not in place to protect insurance companies-weapon manufactures-energy companies etc-health care/medicine providers (etc) profits-Or any one church/religious ideology- God will sort out the moral/spiritual crap associated with any moral issues! God's nation is the earth not one fricken country-my opinion again- it will last at least four yrs...
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--" Government is not in place to protect insurance companies-weapon manufactures-energy companies etc-health care/medicine providers (etc) profits"

I agree. And we shouldn't be funding them either. Let's start with defunding planned parenthood.




"God will sort out the moral/spiritual crap associated with any moral issues!"


Does that mean we should just go ahead and allow infantcide? Or third trimester abortions?



Should we talk about the Gov of VA?

It would appear a yearbook picture of Gov Northam dressed in blackface standing next to someone dressed in a KKK costume has surfaced.

Wasn't this the same man who ran an election ad that attempted to paint his opponent, Gillespie, as a racist? The ad showed a pick up truck adorned wirh a bumper sticker of his opponent chasing down immigrants?

And of course, we found out yesterday that he is A-okay with infantcide! Wow! Just Wow!

Life comes at you fast. When you live by identity politics...you die by identity politics! Lol!
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Posted: 2/1/2019 6:29:53 PM
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And I’m tired of hearing a bunch of whining about how Sanders was “cheated out of the Democratic nomination” – at least by Clinton. Clinton beat him by 4 million votes in the primaries.


Not before it came to light that she was being fed the questions to the democratic primary debates in advance...........not to mention the shennanigans her and Wasserman shultz were engaged in (such that Sanders demanded an apology prior to giving his endorsement)................The question is, would HC had won anyway?....even of she'd played it straight....maybe but she was not willing to take such a chance.

HC did not want a replay of the 2008 primary outcome......and was determined to do whatever she could to win. Also did you ever stop and wonder why all the Democrats got out of HC's way in 2016?.......as opposed to the deluge of candidates you see now!


Sanders unquestionably had a lot of issues with minority voters, and the Democratic Party is a minority-powered party – that’s how the much more well-known Clinton was beaten by Obama in 2008.


and if the same number of minorities had come out in states like PA, MI............maybe she would not have lost those states..........after all, Trump won out by small margins.


I don’t ever see anybody accusing Obama of cheating to beat her, and the rules were essentially the same.


What would have been the reason to accuse Obama of cheating.


But in the end, Clinton had the support of blacks and Hispanics,


HC had the support of fewer blacks & hispanics than Obama did.


while Sanders had the support of the type of wishy-washy white people that turned around and voted for the most anti-Sanders type person they could find in the general election.


Sanders supporters wanted to vote for somebody who was not considered a Washington insider or an elite...even the Repubs were starting to accept a HC presidency (running against underdog Trump), because they knew who they were going to be dealing with..................the sanders supporters felt cheated not only because of what she did during the primaries.......but that sanders wasn't even seriously considered as VP material...........Had she been smart enough to do that (like Bill did with Al Gore............Reagan did with Bush).........that might have tipped the election in her favor............but she arrogantly thought she'd win in a landslide, without breaking a sweat!

Yes, you can infer that Comey sand-bagged her a few weeks before the election......or that the Russians were hard at work to undermine the Democratic turn out................BUT she was already vulnerable to defeat by her own doings (or not doings), that even Obama seemed to have acknowledged before october of 2016, as he realized that she had no political magnetism, and was doing little (if any) to sell herself in battle ground states.

You can lash out at the haters, xenophobes, Russian operatives......for getting Trump elected..........but it was really the Democrats (with HC as the quarter-back)....who fumbled the "ball" at the 1 yardline.
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" Hillary’s server is, legally, at most a “process error.”

^^^^^^^^I doubt you said that with a straight face right????? Other countries that intercepted her emails, they also have that "straight face"

That poor excuse of a democrat, Governor from Virginia is being asked to RESIGN!!!!! YES!!!! Not only is he a deplorable for his support of infanticide, now he is being outed for doing that blackface and standing next to kkk. Did he call himself "coonman"?????? Buh bye there former governor, you are a complete disgrace!!!!!!
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"say what you want about Mormons and their strange cultish religion, but they’re a lot more true to their faith when it comes to Republican politicians than all the Protestants and Catholics who voted for Trump, as he couldn’t even get a majority of the vote in Utah, otherwise one of the reddest states in the union).


You don't know f*k all about the Mormons! Lmao! Quit talkin' out your azz trying to sound "intelligent"!

Please stick to what you know.


Looks like the VA Gov is a "Dixiecrat" who didn't get the message that all racists were suppose to "switch" parties!

~~~~Tell me lies...tell me sweet little lies! While I wear Blackface! :)
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Trump is innocent as a lamb and folks should stop picking on him. Why wouldn't he finish out his term?

Only thing stopping that is Trumps own words.... And the truth. Which don't seem to be on the same page.... Or chapter even.
 Million_Reasons
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^^^There is no one innocent other than the babies the Democrats slaughter.


The blood drips from your hands.

That is Truth. Own it.


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Posted: 2/2/2019 8:25:53 AM
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But in the end, Clinton had the support of blacks and Hispanics, while Sanders had the support of the type of wishy-washy white people that turned around and voted for the most anti-Sanders type person they could find in the general election.
I'm not quite sure why...Dem type people don't seem to understand why there were some Pro-Trump Democrats. I've written about it ad nauseum here. It has nothing to do with "wishy-washy." And while the numbers do support your "white people" assertion, my belief is it was more of an economic/demographic phenomenon (Trump's manufacturing message was favored by Older rust belt whites), not a racial one - that is, if you're suggesting racism is one reason these whites went to Trump from Sanders.

Trump ran on being pro-manufacturing. He ran on blowing up the TPP. He ran on not touching SS or Medicare. He ran on using government power to reduce drug prices. He ran on ...I can't remember what else is in this category.....but these are positions of "traditional liberals," i.e. pro-labor, pro-safety net, pro-consumer (at least in the case of drug prices). All positions that modern corporate liberals abandoned. Some will say he also ran on blowing up Obamacare, but with these voters, I would guess many are already on, or approaching Medicare, so that was not as important. And the younger ones, rationale could be "If that steel plant opens back up, I won't need O-Care'" or something like that. That is why many Sanders voters went to Trump. I don't think "wishy washy" had anything to do with it. And that is why if the Dems nominate someone like, say Cory Booker, a Wall Street Dem, these voters will probably stay with Trump.

AND.........For those voters who seemingly truly voted Trump against their own self interest...maybe the value then was to blow things up, because they had nothing else to hope for. I think the Dems vastly underestimated voter mood in 2016, and if they had a clue, maybe HRC would have chosen Bernie, like someone above mentioned , or maybe Liz Warren as VP as a nod to that. But she chose another corporate establisment Dem, which showed me how tone deaf they were to public sentiment. They probably deserved to lose to Trump.

Hawking, you just don't want to admit there are some rational reasons some left leaning people voted for Trump. And the danger is still there so Dems should be aware of that.
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Posted: 2/2/2019 8:47:56 AM

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you just don't want to admit there are some rational reasons some left leaning people voted for Trump. And the danger is still there so Dems should be aware of that.


After two years in the White House and witnessing the huge mistake they've made by voting for a grifter and a con-man, I seriously doubt they would vote again for the most despised, deceitful, ignorant, and incompetent President in history. History will not be kind to Trump or his sycophants.

Trump 2020....20 for Conspiracy Then Another 20 For Treason.
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^^^ I hope you are correct!!! ?? "

Million reasons to comprehend written words:

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profit

blood dripping from brain surgery to implant the aborted comprehension
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my belief is it was more of an economic/demographic phenomenon (Trump's manufacturing message was favored by Older rust belt whites), not a racial one - that is, if you're suggesting racism is one reason these whites went to Trump from Sanders.
from my very first post here, everything you just posted was ignored and replaced with racism as the reason. for the sake of argument, say I was racist, how does that effect any of the issues in ss4544spd's post? I cant speak for every trump supporter but will for the ones I know, there are plenty here in the rust belt. most never cared for politics until someone came along addressing our concerns, everything ss454 posted and nothing to do with racism or even left versus right, a dem could of easily won had they just listened.
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