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 Llove2laughtoo
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Comrade Trump is once again taking the word of a brutal dictator, he loves to believe authoritarians over his own intelligence agencies.


Speaking at a press conference in Hanoi, Vietnam, on Thursday after the two leaders failed to reach a nuclear agreement, Trump said he believed Kim.

"Kim Jong Un tells me that he didn’t know about the death of Otto Warmbier and I will take him at his word that he didn’t know about the student’s treatment in prison."



Comrade Trump said he took Putin at his word that Russia did not seek to interfere in the US presidential election last year, despite a finding from US intelligence agencies that it did.



Comrade Trump said he'd spoken to Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman on the phone, in regards to the murder of U.S. resident Jamal Khashoggi, and he “totally denied any knowledge of what took place,” which was good enough for Trump, and continued to be good enough even after the C.I.A. concluded the prince was definitely behind the whole thing.


Trump 2020....20 for CONSPIRACY then another 20 for TREASON.
 LGL1975
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Posted: 3/3/2019 7:35:58 AM
No my argument is that people don't like Hillary Clinton because they haven't forgotten about Libya and Hillarycare. That's why she lost the fake election to Donald Trump.

Doesn't matter that Hillary got more votes. She won California and New York by 6 million votes because those states have a lot of brown people who hate Donald Trump. But she came up short in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. She lost the states she needed by less than 100,000 votes. Because working people still remember how Bill and Hillary ****ed them over.


Hillary's excuse for losing the fake election is that white supremacists voted for Trump because they hate all the good things she's done for people of colour. But this isn't supported by facts. Actual data shows that millions of Trump voters also supported Obama. And Hillary has never done anything for people of any race.

Hillary's problem is she's a crook and a neoliberal corporate shill and a lot of people see that. Especially after Bernie opposed her in the fake primary.


The way fake elections work is republicans marketed their chosen candidate as a populist hero by pretending to hate him. Trump got to run against a bunch of weak, uncharismatic losers like Jeb Bush and John Kasich. And Trump's opponents spent all their energy attacking him for not behaving like a good establishment conservative. The reverse psychology worked because Trump got more votes than Romney or McCain.

And the democrats did the complete opposite. They picked a neoliberal establishment shill to represent them and let her run against the fake socialist Bernie Sanders who cynically promised voters free health care and all of the other things they really want. Things that Hillary will never do like health care or a living wage.


Once you accept that money and capitalism have a corrosive influence on democracy then it's not that hard to figure things out. And that's the main problem with American democracy is you don't have a real social democrat party to raise these issue. You only have two capitalist parties playing out the same controlled narrative.
 platitude545
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Posted: 3/3/2019 10:50:37 AM
People don't like Hillary for lots of reasons...Hillary care and Libya, which no one here cares about isn't even on the list. And I used think that anybody but Hillary would have beaten trump. I'm not so sure right now. So much anger about the way things are going.

Billy hits on many of the reasons people are so angry. They sense things are failing, they just don't understand and want a change. The GOP of days past no longer exists. In its place is the party of deceit and the elite.
 Million_Reasons
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Posted: 3/3/2019 4:31:30 PM
"The GOP of days past no longer exists"

Lmao! THIS is a good thing!


"In its place is the party of deceit and the elite."

Uh....no. The Rhinos and The Dems are going to have to wait 5 1/2 more years. But the Uniparty will be dead.


Take heart! Your turn is coming. AOC is on the horizon!
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/4/2019 12:29:42 AM
Platy
"People don't like Hillary for lots of reasons...Hillary care and Libya, which no one here cares about isn't even on the list. And I used think that anybody but Hillary would have beaten trump. I'm not so sure right now. So much anger about the way things are going.

Billy hits on many of the reasons people are so angry. They sense things are failing, they just don't understand and want a change. The GOP of days past no longer exists. In its place is the party of deceit and the elite."


I am gob smacked. A well reasoned post with no name calling!!!!!!!!!

See? It CAN be done.

LGL is correct on so many levels. There is a seismic change coming in politics in the west.

I myself have said this many many times.

Citizens have seen how they can hurt the globalist elites.

Brexit and trump are just the start. The tired old elitist political parties are getting their arses kicked right left and centre (arf arf very witty although I say so myself).

The upcoming eu elections are going to be a good guide to the way politics are going.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/4/2019 3:36:48 AM
So shermans. What do you think of this below?..................


"In 2017, Chelsea Russell, a Liverpool teenager with Asperger’s syndrome, paid tribute on her Instagram profile to a 13-year-old friend who died when he was hit by a car. She quoted the lyrics of a rap song, ‘I’m Trippin’’ by Snap Dogg, alongside the phrase ‘RIP Frankie Murphy’. Many other teenagers used the lyrics to pay tribute to Murphy.

A year later, Russell’s profile came to the attention of the police, who decided to arrest her and have her charged. The lyrics she quoted – ‘Kill a snitch nigga, rob a rich nigga’ – were found in court to be ‘grossly offensive’ and Russell was convicted of a hate crime. For nothing more than quoting rap lyrics, she was placed on an eight-week, 8am-to-8pm curfew, fitted with an ankle tag, ordered to pay £500 costs and an £85 ‘victim surcharge’.

Last week, the conviction was overturned on appeal. Russell’s defence lawyer slammed the initial verdict as ‘ridiculous’, akin to the actions of a ‘totalitarian state’.

Russell was convicted under the 2003 Communications Act – a 21st-century blasphemy law, which is used to justify the arrest more than 3,000 people per year (nine people per day) for posting ‘grossly offensive’ content on social media. The Crown Prosecution Service’s guidance says that in such cases context should be seen as a mitigating factor. But context is rarely considered, and in Chelsea Russell’s case, the prosecution refused to acknowledge the very concept of context."

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/02/27/chelsea-russell-and-the-depravity-of-pc/

The pc pc's excelled themselves there eh?
 Llove2laughtoo
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Posted: 3/4/2019 3:59:38 AM
60+ names close to the White House including Donald Trump Jr to receive document requests today. I wonder who will be flipping first.

I'm running out of popcorn!!!

"Democrats want to take away your hamburgers" - Sebastian Gorka C-Pac 2019
 platitude545
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Posted: 3/4/2019 5:27:17 AM
Vlad, lots of posts I don't insult people. And those I do insult deserve to be insulted.

"""The pc pc's excelled themselves there eh?"""

Well we don't have that type of issue in the states given Free Speech, but we do have cops who act as buffoons at times. Judges too. You have laws against hate speech for a reason. You entire continent was the victim of hate speech back in th 30s and 40s. How many died? 60 million? Should Nazi propaganda be tolerated in a civil society? Maybe not. But yea, rap songs taking it a little too far.
 LeFouGamboj
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Posted: 3/4/2019 3:07:30 PM
# 8457 says


60+ names close to the White House including Donald Trump Jr to receive document requests today


The latest figures have the count at 81................but in their all out investigative push, the Democrats might just be alienating the so called "borderline" or "luke-warm" Trump supporters...and pushing them back into the fold of Trump-nation.................I say this because Trump is casting himself as a victim (an "innocent man") amid his attempts to bring peace in the Korean peninsula, and to keep the US economy on the upswing......his job approval rating has now risen to 46%...the highest its been in a long time. If it goes (and stays) well above 50%...the democrats will have something to be seriously worried about come 2020, because little of what they say resonates with much of the people in the south & mid west

The democrats have to remember what happened to Newt Gingrich's house in the aftermath of Bill Clinton's failed impeachment proceedings............voter back-lash is a bytch.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Posted: 3/4/2019 4:48:22 PM
Considering this thread is chronologically as long as the Trump administration says something in itself.

I guess, and this is my opinion keep in mind.... But my guess is that the Trump infatuation will pass as soon as those who glorify the man realize that he is simultaneously lying to and screwing them. And all the while doing it with their consent and most likely their monetary donations and heaps of fawning adulation.....

Folks like myself keep raising the red flags about this regime and all I can hope is it is being noticed. Monitor the truth and follow the money in the Trump dynasty and draw your own conclusions. I did, and it looks to me like 4 years is more than enough....
 LeFouGamboj
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Posted: 3/4/2019 5:12:34 PM
^


Monitor the truth and follow the money in the Trump dynasty and draw your own conclusions


Ardent Trump lovers are not interested in "truth"...at least not by any outsider's standards.......In case you didn't know yet, the Trump phenomenon is a cult following (just like Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Manson...and so on)......yes, you will get occasional defectors who come to their senses............but for the most part, his followers believe that they are part of something greater than themselves.

and if you don't believe it..........then just listen to Trump's speech at the recent CPAC........he was working his base as only he can do, because his diatribe.......can only make sense to those who have entered into the cult.

Had his speech been made by some derelict on a NYC street corner..........I am sure that he/she would have been scooped up by police........and taken to the nearest hospital for psychiatric evaluation.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Posted: 3/4/2019 5:42:10 PM
8463, yes I have noticed that many Trump followers are both cult like and also closed to fact. Proof of this is they believe Trump and his many lies since he attained power in our Govt. Phenomenal, yes. But, I for one hope the truth will win in the end and Trump will be brought down by the very lies he utters daily.

And, by folks who notice this and bring it to the attention of others. Folks who also vote, and contact their representatives concerning the aberration currently occupying the White House .....

And, urge others to do the same.
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Posted: 3/5/2019 7:35:29 AM
"(HRC) won California and New York by 6 million votes because those states have a lot of brown people"

>>>yeah, those brown people are american citizens (since every time the GOP looks for voter fraud, all it finds are white folk doing it for the GOP). But that's the flaw of the trumpanzees (yes, i know, its not nice to call them names, but they insist on doing the same stupidity over and over, so eventually we have to name them). LGL expresses exactly their thought process. when they can't understand why things aren't working their way, they see it as "brown people", or its "black people" or its "liberals" or its "woman's issues" instead of "the american people have spoken". If they only just dropped their identity politics they use to scare their voter base, and recognized these are american citizens, then they would see reality:

angry white men are becoming the numerical minority.

its why chump's numbers are so low, why there weren't so many at the inaugeration, why congress got lost. american citizens are no longer predominently WASP, and MAGA speaks to a numerical minority. How do you explain that even when "corporate shill" HRC who "screwed over the working people", still lost by "less than 100,000 votes" in trumpland? don't those "brown people" have working class members? if chump really is the fresh air, the voice of the people, why was voter turnout so low? maybe b/c trumpanzees are actually in the minority, that america is evolving into something as baby boomers die off every day while millenials become old enough to vote (and they love what AOC's tweeting). After Romney lost the election, the GOP did an autopsy, and even they realized, they gotta lay off demonizing the brown people if they have any future.

"The way fake elections work is republicans marketed their chosen candidate as a populist hero by pretending to hate him."

>>.well, first, he ain't no populist, he's a nationalist. two, this doesn't explain why the GOP didn't choose him the first two times he ran. was that part of the conspiracy? and why did they put RINO McCain and 1% Romney up against the Great Obama instead of chump the birther conspiracist? was that part of the conspiracy? it makes more sense to believe the GOP watched Cruz, Jeb, and Rubio speak spanish on the campaign trail, and figured the last gasp of angry white males needed a Great White Hope if they were going to get any more business-oriented policies and anti immigration fury...and hey, look, there's a rich racist coming down the escalator! And so senator Jeff Sessions sprung into action.

Conspiracies don't match reality, nearly as much as saying, the GOP doesn't represent what america has evolved into (and the 2020 census is about to prove) so the GOP haven't put up a good candidate (look at their lousy leadership in the Senate, can't stand up for anything) in decades, and chump, just looking to further his brand...got lucky on the third try. of course, it helped he went up against HRC, who did in fact do a health care plan back as first lady, when a FL making policy looked too feminist. even with a target on her back and baggage in her closet, even with the drag of Bernie Sanders popularity, she still lost by less than a 100,000 votes in the states LGL mentions. if the GOP truly, actually did conspire to push chump over other candidates following the Romney autopsy...they barely succeeded.

"Democrats want to take away your hamburgers" - Sebastian Gorka C-Pac 2019

>>>considering chump thinks hamburders are a formal meal for visiting athletes, i wonder if the former nazi party member sees the irony

https://www.newsweek.com/sebastian-gorka-former-trump-aide-accused-ties-nazi-group-heads-israel-660501
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Posted: 3/5/2019 10:53:52 AM

why did they put RINO McCain and 1% Romney up against the Great Obama



So Obama would win.

Below is a clip from the 2000 republican nomination.

John McCain tells republican voters that George W. Bush's tax cuts for billionaires will punish black people who are abusing the welfare system. That's a textbook dog whistle.

John McCain wasn't actually running against George W. Bush. He was there as a stooge candidate.


such rhetoric pushes middle-class white Americans to vote against their economic self-interest in order to punish "undeserving minorities" who, they believe, are receiving too much public assistance at their expense.


When you take off the rose colored glasses it's not hard to see the psychology. Democracy is bulshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk0-bR3fwZo

 platitude545
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^^^^ I'm curious, where do you read this stuff or do you come up with it yourself? White Americans vote against their own self-interest to punish minorites? Uh No... White Americans who vote for Trump are just too stupid to see how much harm he is causing them and has caused them. He tells them the economy is doing better than ever...so even though they have not personally benefited, for some reason they believe him. Its called lack of critical thinking abilities, and Trump plays that card as well as anyone has...mainly because the guy has no capacity for shame...it is simply Trump unleashed as the saying goes.
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Posted: 3/5/2019 12:12:58 PM
Republicans can't really get around the fact that their policies are harmful to the middle class. So they play the race card and point out that their tax cuts will have a disproportionate impact on minorities who abuse the welfare system.

But unlike Reagan who openly disparaged blacks as "strapping young bucks" and "welfare queens" buying expensive T-bone steaks and driving Cadillacs paid for with hard working white folks tax dollars the political dog whistle has had to become more subtle.

Instead of Bush saying his tax cuts for billionaires will force uppity blacks to get off welfare he has his "opponent" John McCain doing it for him. And McCain does it in a way that sounds almost sincere when he talks about the haves and have nots being divided along "ethnic lines". But the message is the same.
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 3/5/2019 8:00:16 PM
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I say this because Trump is casting himself as a victim (an "innocent man") amid his attempts to bring peace in the Korean peninsula, and to keep the US economy on the upswing......his job approval rating has now risen to 46%...
Yes. Problem is, if we have a crash soon on Trump’s watch, which I’d imagine is what Dems hope for, then we’ll be set up for a redux of 2008-09…Dems regain power, the ensuing recession will increase pressure to reduce the deficit. Once again Dems' hands will be tied to do anything useful to the middle class - pressure will be to be "business friendly" (translation: more giveaways to billionaires and corporations) just like 08-and after. The table will be set for the cutting of Medicare and Social Security by Dems. The GOP could never cut SS or Medicare because the Dem outrage would be so loud, and the GOP would forever be seen as the party that cut them. That’s why it would be safer and more possible for Dems to cut it, because Dem bootlickers would fall into line and rationalize the cut, just like they rationalized free trade or financial deregulation under Clinton and Obama. Just like the bootlicking GOP has rationalized exploding the deficit, or meddling in private industry, under Trump, when would never be allowed under Obama. Likewise I doubt Obama/HRC could have never gotten away with scrapping the TPP, raising tariffs, or renogiation of NAFTA because the outrage from the GOP business community/Fox News/USCOC/Small gov Tea Party groups would have screamed bloody murder about “big government” or other such nonsense. Trump can get away with these things though because his bootlickers are quiet on this. That’s the danger of tribal party loyalty and how it is exploited by big money interests.


yes, you will get occasional defectors who come to their senses..
Mainly business conservatives. They got what they wanted already from Trump, tax cuts, now they will defect on to pull the Dems further right to see what then can get from the Dems to the detriment of the middle class. Shouldn’t be too difficult as it hasn't for the last several decades.

Doremi wrote:
Monitor the truth and follow the money in the Trump dynasty and draw your own conclusions.
This is true for Washington/Wall Street power in general, not just the “Trump dynasty.” I will still argue Trump is thought of as more of a danger to the elites because he’s so unpredictable and crazy. He’s putting a monkey wrench into the things most business elites hold dear – global integration...free trade and free immigration. These are critical for corporate and profit growth. Sure they’ll take the tax cuts and conservative judges, Israel support, pollution deregulation, and meddling with unfriendly certain dictators,(keep in mind friendly dictators are OK).. but they would still rather have a more predictable and “kindler gentler” puppet.



But, I for one hope the truth will win in the end and Trump will be brought down by the very lies he utters daily.
Then we have Pence. I know I’m p**ing on the parade of those folks want to see Trump gone to have ultimate “gotcha” to their internet forum foes, but I think I’d rather have Trump vs Pence or almost any other GOP stiff they’d run in 2020.

Baldwin wrote
well, first, he ain't no populist, he's a nationalist. two, this doesn't explain why the GOP didn't choose him the first two times he ran. was that part of the conspiracy? and why did they put RINO McCain and 1% Romney up against the Great Obama instead of chump the birther conspiracist?
In my view Trump was more populist than his 2016 primary opponents though, who were all cookie cutter establishment bozos with the exception of maybe Cruz/Paul who were nutty small government types but were Washington insiders. Trump was a total Washington outsider which made him more populist to many folks.


was that part of the conspiracy? it makes more sense to believe the GOP watched Cruz, Jeb, and Rubio speak spanish on the campaign trail, and figured the last gasp of angry white males needed a Great White Hope if they were going to get any more business-oriented policies and anti immigration fury...and hey, look, there's a rich racist coming down the escalator! And so senator Jeff Sessions sprung into action.
Maybe part of it, but mostly Trump was a true outsider, and seen as a disruptor. I think this is about the 40th time I've typed that.
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White Americans who vote for Trump are just too stupid to see how much harm he is causing them and has caused them.
That may be true, but the other part of the equation is they also see how little Democrats have done for them. And if they did, Dems have done a poor job at communicating this. Of course, we have Obamacare that was given to many of them, (that most don't realize, or value) but these people want jobs and industry. Like they used to have. And saying "get educated!" doesn't work. That dog don't bark, as they would say. Dems need to come up with something better than that. Of course, all these people are old, or opiate addicted, and are croaking in droves, so they won't matter soon. Dems probably know this, thus their lack of effort in formulating anything that may help them, job-wise. And probably why HRC ignored them in 2016.
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Posted: 3/5/2019 9:44:22 PM
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but these people want jobs and industry. Like they used to have.


They also want top pay, benefits, etc (commensurate to the area of the country they live in) in order to have all the financial freedoms they crave.........................and that is a pipe-dream, because the (low skilled) jobs that left the US for foreign shores will never come back (at least at a sizeable scale), because it is quite obvious that there is little profit to be made trying to sell an item that is manufactured in the US which costs 5 times as much to make..... than if it were made in the Pacific rim or South America.

You want to know what kind of jobs are the current rage?........just look at the March edition of Fortune Magazine (or go on Fortune dot com), they are all service sector jobs dispersed all over the country..............unless you want to go into business for yourself......this is largely the future (or present) of American employment.....not making tools, toys, apparel, housewares, etc......................what are the pre-requisites?......you have to get "educated"...............heck, even if you want to get a civil service job, you have to at least get a high school degree and know how to read & write and follow instructions


And saying "get educated!" doesn't work.


well then, they could always opt to get out in the fields and start picking cabbage, lettuce, strawberries, blueberries, grapes, carrots, apples, etc..................the kind of jobs that the "illegals" have been brought in to do.....but as long as both parties facilitate the option of public assistance on a large scale basis....there will be little incentive for unskilled US workers to become a powerful work force............and maybe that is the way both parties want it!


Dems need to come up with something better than that.


There is nothing better that can be said to a society that doesn't want to hear the truth....hence-forth Trump.
It becomes........ a battle-of-the-bullchiters...........which ever party can BS the best, will capture the popular vote.
Right now, its Trump & the GOP.............you think its easy for a bunch of old rich men to convince an entire population of people in the south and midwest, to vote for things that will benefit the rich.....at their expense!..............can the democrats come up with a better BS'er?..........................IMO, they got to find a way to rejuvenate Bill Clinton.


And probably why HRC ignored them in 2016.


She ignored them because she thought she was going to be a "shoe in", and didn't take Trump (nor the election itself) seriously.............afterall, who loses to Trump?.....a man who was being lambasted even by the GOP hierarchy...........as a pathologic liar....a jack-ass.....a jerk.....etc.

HC will be agonizing her loss all her life..............for blowing the most winnable presidential election in the history of the US.
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Posted: 3/6/2019 5:05:21 AM
*****That may be true, but the other part of the equation is they also see how little Democrats have done for them****

Is this really true, that the dems have done little for them? The Bushes brought us wars and deficits. The dems brought peace and more prosperity. It was Reagan who gave us tax cuts, the trickle down economy and the beginning of massive inequality. Bush 1 war with Iraq. The economy under Clinton was flying, the deficit reduced. Then Bush 2 brought us Iraq 2 and trillion plus war expenditures. Obama brought us back from the brink and tried to avoid war...then the repubs gave us trump...and losing all over the place.

So when you compare the two parties overall, is there really any sort of equivalence? The dems are just overall far better for the economy and the country.
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Posted: 3/6/2019 6:25:52 AM
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They also want top pay, benefits, etc (commensurate to the area of the country they live in) in order to have all the financial freedoms they crave.........................and that is a pipe-dream, because the (low skilled) jobs that left the US for foreign shores will never come back (at least at a sizeable scale), because it is quite obvious that there is little profit to be made trying to sell an item that is manufactured in the US which costs 5 times as much to make..... than if it were made in the Pacific rim or South America.
So you have acknowledged they are at a dead end. Different people react differently to a dead in in their career/lives. Is the answer toasting your brain on opiates, or becoming angry and listening to a demagogue? That’s the danger of disenfranchising wide swaths of a population to chase some economic model that fabulously enriches a few %. And the other thing is….the menial labor jobs that are left, i.e. ag, could theoretically pay much higher, if we didn’t allow illegal immigrants in to keep those jobs at such low pay. There is good reason Western working classes are rebelling. Their jobs are being sent to slaves in authoritarian countries, and those that can’t be sent out, massive immigration is allowed to devalue the jobs that are left. What’s not to dislike?


You want to know what kind of jobs are the current rage?........just look at the March edition of Fortune Magazine (or go on Fortune dot com), they are all service sector jobs dispersed all over the country..............
Yes, do understand the trend, and yes, it is unstoppable. But to believe it’s the pipe dream that solves the working class issues in the West is naïve. May as well tell working class – “You won’t make as much money as you did in the past. Tough!” Cuz that’s what you are saying, really. The service economy is the pipe dream sold by billionaires/big capital/big corporate, and it’s no wonder that most governments/political parties in the West have bought it, considering most are puppets of the same group. I refuse to subscribe to these trends. Western middle/working classes are unsustainable under these conditions, and many are rightfully rebelling. Whether it's unsavory characters -Trump, or LaPen, or something like Brexit...Good on them! It's the working classes showing they won't be squished under the boot-heel of unregulated capitalism quietly! Cue up Twisted Sister!! They aren't gonna take it any more!


well then, they could always opt to get out in the fields and start picking cabbage, lettuce, strawberries, blueberries, grapes, carrots, apples, etc..................the kind of jobs that the "illegals" have been brought in to do.....but as long as both parties facilitate the option of public assistance on a large scale basis....there will be little incentive for unskilled US workers to become a powerful work force............and maybe that is the way both parties want it!
Illegals’ suppressing of the wages is also what keeps people on the public assistance rolls..those jobs don’t pay high enough to make it worth getting off the rolls. And yes the pols want it, because it’s the model Big Ag uses to maximizes profitability – cheap obedient labor, more profit$.....Millions on the public dole that get food paid for by government – just expands sales and markets for Big Ag….more profit$.


There is nothing better that can be said to a society that doesn't want to hear the truth....
Yes, the truth that we sacrifice the Western working classes to maximize the profits of billionaire hedge fund managers? I don’t blame them!



Right now, its Trump & the GOP.............you think its easy for a bunch of old rich men to convince an entire population of people in the south and midwest, to vote for things that will benefit the rich.....at their expense!.............
Ya mean vs. a bunch of younger, more diverse, group of men and women (and he-she’s lol) that convice urban and coastal people to vote for things that will benefit the……..drumroll…rich…at their expense?
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Posted: 3/6/2019 6:40:43 AM
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Is this really true, that the dems have done little for them? The Bushes brought us wars and deficits. The dems brought peace and more prosperity. It was Reagan who gave us tax cuts, the trickle down economy and the beginning of massive inequality. Bush 1 war with Iraq. The economy under Clinton was flying, the deficit reduced. Then Bush 2 brought us Iraq 2 and trillion plus war expenditures. Obama brought us back from the brink and tried to avoid war...then the repubs gave us trump...and losing all over the place.

So when you compare the two parties overall, is there really any sort of equivalence? The dems are just overall far better for the economy and the country.
The Dems are just a “kinder, gentler” patron to further incubate Reaganomics though. And I don’t think Dems are any less war mongers, really, I mean how many Dem Congresspeople voted against Bush’s war? 1? IIRC Lol..And when, since Clinton, have they had the b*lls to raise taxes? Obama’s tiny increase doesn’t count. And Clinton negated that good deed by signing NAFTA and deregulating the financial sector, much of which led to the 2008 Clinton-Bush meltdown. Yes, the environment is a big difference…and of course, the socio-cultural issues but otherwise, sorry, while the Dems are certainly more polite and palatable for the world and big media to consider, it just means they’ll smile and shake your hand while slippin’ you the shiv on behalf of their donors. Sorry.
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Posted: 3/6/2019 9:31:51 AM
golly, i mention Obama v McCain, and LGL gives me McCain v Bush before Obama even ran...you sure you don't need my rose coloured glasses to see? :) the problem with conspiracy--as any government worker will be glad to tell you--is that it requires a lot of government workers to be competent, and those in a position to accomplish the conspiracy have to give up their lust for power and position to sacrifice for the bigger ideology. they tend to leave a lot of evidence, like how the Project for the New American Century lead to the invasion of Iraq without any initial plan for occupation, just another strongman (Ahmad Chalabi). If McCain really gave up the presidency to tell black america that "bush hates black people", he must have felt foolish in 2005 when hurricane Katrina made it obvious.

Still, this fiction of LGL's (instead of just admitting the GOP's focus on the wealthy leads to incompetency) could make an interesting story--i'm serious when i say i'm curious. so, please tell us how Maverick McCain decided to "take one for the team" and thought Bush could do a better job than him in the White House. tell us why the GOP would go to so much work to manipulate the minds of black voters, when in reality the GOP was doing fine work denying them the vote with voter purge lists, voter ID laws, and other Jim Crow leftovers. I can see why the GOP didn't want to follow up the Bush recession, but after The Great Obama straightened it out, why let Obama have a second term? what good did that do the GOP? and some evidence would be nice, too--watch the movie Vice to see what level of evidence can suffice, i don't expect actual smoking guns.

"The GOP could never cut SS or Medicare because the Dem outrage would be so loud"

>>>The GOP does want to kill government programs that work, otherwise voters question a need for smaller government. SS454, if you google "bush privatize social security", you'll know he hoped to use his political capital after election to put SS on the stock market. but it was americans who saw what a disaster this would be,and then "you're doing a heckuva job, brownie" really took whatever political capital he thought he had left. the old pharts quoting Faux News know how their bread gets buttered. but they'll still blame the dems for everything (you are spot on about how the dems have to waste political capital on cleanup rather than advancing an agenda--but then, would their social agenda fly? maybe they're saved by the workload instead). trumpland believes the dems can't possibly be good for the economy with all their support for business regulation and raising of taxes (tho reagan did it 11 times), no matter what the evidence. by their logic, liberals must hate america and want to kill capitalism and just can't be good for jobs. so they'll vote for a celebrity who runs a casino into the ground over a dem policy wonk. the pro-biz will vote the rich man into office, and then pull their hair out over what a tariff war does in raw material costs to their bottom lines.

"the other part of the equation is they also see how little Democrats have done for them. And if they did, Dems have done a poor job at communicating this."

>>.Obama can say, "bin ladin is dead, GM is alive" and even point out Romney would have let the auto industry die and wipe out the midwest. but conservatives still want to believe the dems are bad for the economy--b/c the GOP and Faux News keeps selling this lie and not bothering to explain the two recessions under both bushes. so if those who lost their house and their health insurance want to believe the GOP has their interests at heart...what is the dem party going to do to wake them up? if coal miners really can't see that automation and the cheapness of natural gas has more to do with losing jobs than any regluations that keep them safe in the mines and their tap water from not catching fire, can the dems ever lead these horses to water and force them to drink? Lefou and Plat have raised excellent arguments about why people shopping for cheap crap at wal mart aren't getting their union pay and bennies back.

"And saying "get educated!" doesn't work. That dog don't bark, as they would say."

>>>except....it worked for all those who voted for HRC over chump. it works for the 60% of the population who don't support chump in the polls. according to the numbers, these people are in the minority opinion. the internet is doing to society and economics what the car did to the horse industry. we all know people are getting left behind but...how do you convince people that change has been happening since the late 1970's? one whole half of my homestate lost its factory jobs to the southern states before the midwest lost their's to Asia, and the number one reason new jobs aren't coming in is...they live too far away for the jobs to come to them. the jobs go where the infrastructure is, where the big cities are, etc. in the days of waterwheel power and railroads, they were in prime real estate, and now they just ain't.

another issue about education, of course, is all the trumpanzees who gloat they don't need none of that elite, ivy tower foolishness. they are quite happy being simple and small town. that's all good and fine, and how are the dems going to convince them the economy left them behind decades ago and its time to move forward? maybe move in to those areas and gentifry the cheap real estate? Heck, America could be leading the world right now in alternate energy technology, yet the GOP head-up-the-ass view of climate change means we're letting China take it away from us. talk about maga, we used to lead and create entrepreneurs. now we follow and inherit old wealth.


i'll agree, chump initially looked like a racist/xenophobic monkey wrench. the voters who wanted to throw that wrench in anger, however, share a lot in common with anarchists.
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