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 LGL1975
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Still, this fiction of LGL's (instead of just admitting the GOP's focus on the wealthy leads to incompetency) could make an interesting story--i'm serious when i say i'm curious. so, please tell us how Maverick McCain decided to "take one for the team" and thought Bush could do a better job than him in the White House.



When John McCain says George Bush's tax cuts for billionaires will hurt minorities he's blowing the republican party's dog whistle.

Voters already know that Bush's tax cut will favour the rich. McCain's weasel words are just offering them a consolation prize. Tax cuts for billionaires will mean less welfare for blacks.

It's the same pitch that Reagan made in 1980. But now it's coming from John McCain who we can see is acting as George Bush's accomplice.

The republican nomination is not a democratic process where voters decide who will represent "their" party. It is a marketing campaign where the chosen candidate runs against a chorus of stooge candidates who have been selected to make him look good.

With Trump the republicans marketed him as a populist by pretending to hate him. Every time Trump said something politically incorrect his fake opponents would unanimously condemn him and declare that he wasn't fit to lead the "grand old party".

But this had the opposite effect on voters who loved watching Trump destroy the conservative establishment and were fooled into believing he would actually represent them. Not just by the republicans but also the democrats who were reading from the exact same script.
 kavapaw22
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Posted: 3/6/2019 2:17:29 PM
^^^^ Whatever you are smoking, it must be good :-)

(platitude has left the house....heh heh heh...elphaba doesn't like him)
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 3/7/2019 8:45:50 AM
Baldwin wrote

The GOP does want to kill government programs that work, otherwise voters question a need for smaller government. SS454, if you google "bush privatize social security", you'll know he hoped to use his political capital after election to put SS on the stock market. but it was americans who saw what a disaster this would be
Yes I do remember that failure which makes my point. The GOP can’t do it. Pushback from the left woudl be too strong. So Obama tried later during the Bowles-Simpson “Grand Bargain.” Albeit under a much more hush-hush basis. I don't remember the left mobilizing that much. Obama came much closer to cutting SS than Bush did IIRC, cuz uproar from the left was larger under Bush.


trumpland believes the dems can't possibly be good for the economy with all their support for business regulation and raising of taxes
Sure, part of it, but the other part is they correctly recognize that the “service economy” panacea is a bit of a pipe dream for them.


so they'll vote for a celebrity who runs a casino into the ground over a dem policy wonk.
Not sure which “policy wonk” you’re referring to…..many Dem economic policy wonks are good, especially the ones on the economic left, but it’s just the Dem politicians who generally don’t listen to them because said wonks are in the back seat, well behind the busine$$ donors.


GOP and Faux News keeps selling this lie and not bothering to explain the two recessions under both bushes.[/quotes]True, but this is oversimplified. Actually I can’t remember a recession under Bush I, Reagan, yes. But GWB’s recession had Dem fingerprints all over it, i.e, Clinton’s financial deregulatory moves prior to GWB taking office. Likely the recession/crash would not have been nearly as severe without those deregulatory steps. And Obama did not do that much to correct them. In my view 2008 was a shared blame scenario – and the future one, coming soon to a location near you – will likewise be a shared scenario. Both parties’ refusal to reign in big banks – and conversely undo post 2008 regulation - will put the blame back on BOTH parties – at least to those who don’t self-blinder for political purposes.

D@mn. You and LFG are keepin me busy here!
 BaldwinMotionPhaseIII
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Posted: 3/8/2019 9:20:04 AM
"When John McCain says George Bush's tax cuts for billionaires will hurt minorities he's blowing the republican party's dog whistle. Voters already know that Bush's tax cut will favour the rich. McCain's weasel words are just offering them a consolation prize. Tax cuts for billionaires will mean less welfare for blacks."

>>>when Reagan sold his voodoo economics, it was under the titles "trickle down" and "rising tides raise all boats". Conservatives voted for the idea that "what is good for General Motors is good for the USA, and vice versa". but what LGL is saying is, republicans will vote for something that hurts them if it hurts poor blacks? that's interesting coming from someone who dismissed racism as a smoke screen not long ago.

The Bowles-Simpson grand bargain came about when the original orange man, jon boehner (sic) wouldn't let the Bush tax cuts sunset in order to pay the bills, so Obama and the dems had to offer a plan that cut spending everywhere in order to avoid a government shutdown (my, how the republicans repeat history). of course, another solution would be let immigrants in to pay payroll taxes :) but due to more people retiring than working, SS may pay only 75 cents for every dollar. so there's a problem that has to be solved. As for the recession under Bush 41, it was a short one, only remembered by voters who made a president who had a 90% approval rating after Desert Storm into a one-termer. I should have specified the Saving and Loan crisis, perhaps. Since we live in a capitalist society that eschews government ownership of business, its up to the banks to handle the economy, and so there's always a push to let them run wild. both parties can take responsibility for the multiple financial panics, which tend to take years to finally pop like a bubble. so blame gets spread around by whoever you ask. however, recently it was clinton and obama cleaning up the mess, and like i think SS454 pointed out, cleaning up after the party tends to absorb political capital that could be used elsewhere.
 LGL1975
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Posted: 3/9/2019 4:37:20 AM

>>>when Reagan sold his voodoo economics, it was under the titles "trickle down" and "rising tides raise all boats". Conservatives voted for the idea that "what is good for General Motors is good for the USA, and vice versa". but what LGL is saying is, republicans will vote for something that hurts them if it hurts poor blacks?


The use of political dog whistling is well documented.

Reagan needed white people to vote against their interests and support tax cuts for the wealthy. He accomplished that with a message that tax cuts would hurt blacks on welfare.

George W. Bush used the same trick. You didn't notice because he had to be more subtle.

The idea is to win over the racist fringe without upsetting the mainstream. If voters hear a candidate using racist rhetoric they will analyze the message objectively and the strategy will backfire. But if the message remains below the surface of consciousness it can reach the intended target without setting off any warning bells.

What's interesting is that George Bush has his "opponent" John McCain blowing his dog whistle. While McCain criticizes Bush's tax plan for favouring the 1% he sends a different message that those tax cuts will hurt minorities.

McCain then proceeds to sabotage himself by declaring he has a plan to save social security. That's Bush's cue to sidestep the much sharper criticism that his tax plan favours the wealthy and make McCain look like a loser because he doesn't have a way to stop congress from stealing the social security money back.

Time after time during the campaign McCain ****s up allowing Bush to build his image as the plain talking Texan who knows how washington works.

McCain is so good at fluffing George Bush that he's allowed to lose again to Obama. Just like Hillary another sweet talking democrat who we all know is rotten to the core. When the elites want to market Obama as the "change" candidate they run him against Bill Clinton's wife who famously failed to deliver the goods on health care. When the elites want to market Trump as a different kind of "change" candidate they use Hillary again.

With Trump the we see more dog whistles. Trump's comments that illegal aliens are bringing drugs and crime over the border are not controversial so he's not setting off any alarm bells with ordinary republican voters. But everything he says is blown out of proportion both by both the "liberal" fake news and the so called "alt right" fake news. Both are promoting the belief that Trump is going to build a wall to keep brown people from coming to America.

There are two contradictory messages targeting two different audiences. Trump the ordinary republican who is saying all the usual stuff about creating jobs and law and order and making America great again. And the Trump that exists in racists' imagination. And all of his "opponents" both in the republican party, the democratic party and the fake news are promoting the same narrative.
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Posted: 3/9/2019 1:09:34 PM
""""another solution would be let immigrants in to pay payroll taxes"""

Really the only way, we are running out of tax paying worker bees

And it is actually the Fed who is responsible for lots of our problems and Obama refusing to prosecute the corrupt with the banks.
 kavapaw22
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Posted: 3/9/2019 1:12:52 PM
""""Reagan needed white people to vote against their interests and support tax cuts for the wealthy. He accomplished that with a message that tax cuts would hurt blacks on welfare."""

Can you provide a source...I really would like to know where these ideas come from...a transcript of the Reagan dog whistle will do.
 LGL1975
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:38:43 PM

Can you provide a source...I really would like to know where these ideas come from...a transcript of the Reagan dog whistle will do.


Of course I can provide sources.But if you're not willing and able to research these things for yourself then there's really no point in me trying to do it for you.
 Llove2laughtoo
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Posted: 3/9/2019 11:16:15 PM
Comrade Trump talks about sex trafficking at the border while he is selling "happy endings" at Mar-a-Lago.

Get a quickie and meet a Trumpster.

Trump 2020....20 for CONSPIRACY then another 20 for TREASON.


A Florida Massage Parlor Owner Has Been Selling Chinese Execs Access to Trump at Mar-a-Lago

The latest Trump political donor to draw controversy is Li Yang, a 45-year-old Florida entrepreneur from China who founded a chain of spas and massage parlors that included the one where New England Patriots owner Bob Kraft was recently busted for soliciting prostitution.

She runs an investment business that has offered to sell Chinese clients access to Trump and his family. And a website for the business—which includes numerous photos of Yang and her purported clients hobnobbing at Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s private club in Palm Beach—suggests she had some success in doing so.

On a page displaying a photo of Mar-a-Lago, Yang’s company says its “activities for clients” have included providing them “the opportunity to interact with the president, the [American] Minister of Commerce and other political figures.” The company boasts it has “arranged taking photos with the President” and suggests it can set up a “White House and Capitol Hill Dinner.”

The overall message conveyed by the GY US Investments website seems clear: hire Yang’s company and she can get you close to Trump and his government—at Mar-a-Lago and in Washington. If the posted photos are authentic, she has been able to get Chinese clients at least into the Trump circle for a quick pic. They are a sign that this Chinese immigrant and Trump donor has used her contacts to go from massaging clients to massaging influence.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/03/a-florida-massage-parlor-owner-has-been-selling-chinese-execs-access-to-trump-at-mar-a-lago/
 BaldwinMotionPhaseIII
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Posted: 3/11/2019 9:33:41 AM
"Reagan needed white people to vote against their interests and support tax cuts for the wealthy. He accomplished that with a message that tax cuts would hurt blacks on welfare."

>>>i'm still surprised the republicans here haven't chimed in to refute this. if a lib said it, they'd be all snowflaked. but we'll still need your sources on this, b/c reagan's typical way to smooth over anything he did was...wave the flag. appeal to patriotism and the need for a paternal leader. "Morning in America", interestingly, was repeated by Cruz and Rubio on the campaign trail. Now, reagan did blow a dog whistle down south, telling the good ol' boys he believed in local government and they took that to mean, no justice dept. coming 'round to enforce voting laws.

and chump's new budget this week...will be interesting to see which GOP member in congress has the balls to stand up to it. maybe they'll wait to see the poll numbers first.
 LGL1975
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Posted: 3/13/2019 10:14:42 AM

>>>i'm still surprised the republicans here haven't chimed in to refute this. if a lib said it, they'd be all snowflaked. but we'll still need your sources on this, b/c reagan's typical way to smooth over anything he did was...wave the flag. appeal to patriotism and the need for a paternal leader. "Morning in America", interestingly, was repeated by Cruz and Rubio on the campaign trail. Now, reagan did blow a dog whistle down south, telling the good ol' boys he believed in local government and they took that to mean, no justice dept. coming 'round to enforce voting laws.


Waving the flag appeals to mainstream voters. But it's not enough to win over the white underclass who want a more reactionary leader to represent their interests.

The politician's dilemma is how to deliver different messages to both group without one lie contradicting the other.

Reagan's infamous speech does not contain an explicit message of support for segregation. The dog whistle is provided by the controlled media.

The Washington Post, New York Times and other establishment mouthpieces all reinforce the subtext that Reagan's declaration of support for "states rights" before a southern audience is an explicit message of support for segregation and white supremacy.

The media's reputation for liberal bias allows mainstream republicans to dismiss the racist message as a fabrication of the left's imagination.

But the subconscious mind does not have that filter of critical thought. So the racist message that Reagan supports segregation penetrates the subconscious and the racist behaves accordingly.

George W. Bush uses the same strategy. John McCain's message that tax cuts for billionaires will hurt minorities goes unnoticed by the conscious mind because he's earned a reputation as an insufferable RINO. His gratuitous pandering to blacks is not out of character for McCain who likes to make speeches about his Bangladeshi orphan. But subconsciously the racist message delivers.
 BaldwinMotionPhaseIII
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Posted: 3/13/2019 10:19:54 AM
"waving the flag isn't enough to get the white underclass towards their interests"

>>sure gets 'em to sign up for war over fake WMD's, tho. also, you forgot to mention voodoo economics :)
 Llove2laughtoo
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Posted: 3/13/2019 12:05:15 PM
After today's verdict,it looks like Manafort is going to spend the rest of his life in prison after the New York state prosecutors finish with him.

Another Comrade Trump "I only hire the best people" crony convicted of a felony.

Trump 2020....20 for CONSPIRACY then another 20 for TREASON.
 kavapaw22
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Posted: 3/13/2019 12:46:00 PM
It seems to me the white underclass always have two things in their facebook profiles, flags and guns. Trump hugs a flag at a rally and the underclass love him. Meanwhile any flag trump hugs needs to be burned.
 norwegianguy456
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Posted: 3/14/2019 1:16:02 AM
Just throwing this in here, since this thread seems to be the overall political forum in general. So this is just general, about what people believe. And how crazy people are. You'd expect these %s to be so low, but it's not. So, some food for thought about being objective, and the sad part of society. Here's a copy-n-paste of a Chicago Tribune article from Jan 2017:

In 2010, an ABC News/Washington Post poll found 31 percent of Republicans said they thought Obama was born outside the United States. In 2011, a New York Times/CBS News poll had that number at 45 percent, and a Fox News poll had it at 37 percent.

The Economist/YouGov poll, conducted in mid-December, also showed 49 percent of Republicans saying it was either definitely or probably true that "leaked email from some of Hillary Clinton's campaign staffers contained code words for pedophilia, human trafficking and satanic ritual abuse," as was alleged in widely disseminated fake-news stories.

A Public Policy Polling survey taken about a week earlier found 45 percent of Republicans saying either they believed that Clinton was connected to a child sex ring or that they weren't sure whether that rumor was true.

Yes, this is significant evidence of contemptible, toxic ignorance — the sustaining lifeblood of hatred.

But no, it's not limited to Republicans. In the polls listed above, an average 14 percent of Democrats shared the Republicans' skepticism that Obama was born in Hawaii, and an average 18 percent of Democrats echoed the utterly absurd Republican suspicions about Clinton's involvement in organized pedophilia.

Not only is our nation divided, it's cracked.

More evidence from the Economist/YouGov survey of 1,376 American adults:

• Even though the idea that the U.S. government helped plan the terrorist attacks of 9/11 is one of the looniest conspiracy theories ever advanced by the tinfoil-hat crowd, 25 percent of respondents said it's definitely or probably true. (Democrats, 26 percent; Republicans, 21 percent).

• Even though there's been no evidence of significant voter fraud, 46 percent of respondents said they thought it was definitely or probably true that "millions of illegal votes were cast" in the November election (Democrats, 36 percent; Republicans, 52 percent).

• Even though the number of people without medical insurance has fallen to historic lows under the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), 31 percent of respondents said it had increased (Democrats 24 percent; Republicans 40 percent).

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And still more from the PPP survey of 1,224 registered voters:

• Even though the unemployment rate has decreased dramatically since 2009, 41 percent of respondents said it had increased during Obama's time in office (Democrats, 26 percent; Republicans 64 percent).

• Even though the Dow Jones industrial average has more than doubled during the Obama years, 23 percent of respondents said it had gone down (Democrats 9 percent; Republicans 39 percent).

• Even though Democratic candidate Clinton won the overall popular vote for president by nearly 3 million votes, 19 percent of respondents said they thought Republican Donald Trump got more votes (Democrats, 6 percent; Republicans, 40 percent).

There's nothing new about widespread ignorance, even ignorance nakedly infected by partisanship — though I suspect that the siloing effect of social media has made the truth gap wider than ever.

What's new is that we're about to inaugurate a president who's rabidly obsessed with polling data, ratings and other quantifiable measures of public opinion. His campaign stump speeches and tweets often focused on how well he was doing in certain polls, even utterly unscientific click polls.

More than most politicians, President-elect Trump seems likely to dwell on the numbers generated by pollsters, to react to them and seek comfort and strategic advice in their cross-tabs.

But when significant numbers of respondents, particularly his supporters, have whipped themselves into a near delusional state in which facts don't matter, the comfort is likely to be false and the advice reckless.


Enjoy! :)
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Posted: 3/14/2019 8:03:08 AM
i'll agree with a lot of what you posted above. last nights Daily Show pointed out that even in news broadcasts, there's mood music. we sell emotions more than we deal in facts. we delight in seeing our neighbors as "others" and fearing them. but people typically enjoy a conspiracy theory b/c it makes them think someone is in actual charge. that bad things don't just happen, but someone can be blamed--and if we can get rid of them, then we get rid of bad luck. but if we can't get rid of them, then we are blameless--the odds are against us.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 4:28:32 PM

Trump said he was surprised by O’Rourke’s “hand movement.” “Well, I think he’s got a lot of hand movement. I’ve never seen so much hand movement,” Trump said. “I said, ‘Is he crazy or is that just the way he acts?’ So I’ve never seen hand movement.


Comrade Trump is making fun of Beto O'Rourke's hand movements. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Obviously he hasn't seen videos of himself, he's got more hand gestures than a sign language interpreter. He looks like he's playing the accordion when he speaks.

#Be Best.

Trump 2020....20 for CONSPIRACY then another 20 for TREASON.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 4:34:51 PM
^You too can learn the....Beto Dance. :)

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1106305250200174592?s=19
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Posted: 3/14/2019 5:19:32 PM
Benito Trump and his fascists comrades will have plenty of time to learn dance the Mambo in the slammer . The day of his arrest will be declared a national holiday.

Trump 2020....20 for CONSPIRACY then another 20 for TREASON.



https://youtu.be/aq2iTuhpisk
 Million_Reasons
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Posted: 3/14/2019 5:27:31 PM
^Is it Mueller Time?

Russian Collusion? ;)


Why is Pelosi backing away from impeachment? Uh-Oh! Lol
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Posted: 3/14/2019 7:26:39 PM
Grab the popcorn, another shoe is about to drop The House Oversight Committee is requesting key documents from former Fox News reporter DIANA FALZONE.

Apparently Diana Falzone has corroborating sources and facts regarding the hush payments by the Trump Crime Family before the election.

Elect a Clown, Expect a Circus!!!


The House Oversight Committee on Thursday formally requested documents from Diana Falzone, a former Fox News correspondent who reportedly was working on a story about a possible affair involving Donald Trump before the 2016 presidential election but allegedly was told to lay off because the network wanted Trump to win.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/14/diana-falzone-trump-fox-news-1222399
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Posted: 3/15/2019 9:08:19 AM
the last time chump railed over hand movements, it was a disabled reporter. i guess he's going back to the well for his laughs.

the last time chump dismissed hand movements, it was a disabled reporter. i guess he's going back to the well for his jokes










in order to maintain the highest quality forums you are restricted to having no more then 2 of the last 10 posts on a thread.

Since 2 of the last 10 posts are yours you can not post to this thread.
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Posted: 3/15/2019 6:53:06 PM
#8495............... foolishly asks


Why is Pelosi backing away from impeachment? Uh-Oh! Lol


1. Because she wishes to wait for Mueller's report to come out

2 Because she knows that it is far wiser for Democrats to focus hard on re-taking the senate (and Oval office), rather than expend time & energy about an impeachment that the GOP senate will never vote for

3. Because she realizes (just like Putin, KJU, and a host of despots) that the best way to GET OVER on Trump is to....first "Butter him up".......and then stick him in the toaster
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Posted: 3/16/2019 10:12:44 AM

Why is Pelosi backing away from impeachment? Uh-Oh! Lol

Because she's on the same page as many of those against Trump (Dems, Ind, and some even on the Right) who want to see Trump Go. Doing the impeachment process -- even with a president breaking some rulez -- will backfire unless you have a large % in their own party against them. And right now, if the Mueller report merely backs what people have been saying and drawing out in the political landscape that's not in favor of Trump -- that won't be enough to turn that tide. And it'd be silly to. Those on the right & center-right who are "ehhh" about Trump will get into his base if that's all there is. It'd backfire, too. You'd need a lot more than unethical moves.

If Nixon were alive in this day & age, and his same things happened -- with polarized news, etc -- you really think Fox News outside a commentator or Sheppard Smith, would be asking for His impeachment? Nope. The people + his party wouldn't be asking him to go, and he wouldn't have left. For better or worse. It's a different landscape now.

Unfortunately, Trump's strategy to divide & create polarization from the outset has brought out those further left into the mainstream of the Dem party. This will make the center & center-right who see thru this "Trump fanboyism" still vote for him, and those on the center-left want to vote for a key Independent who will probably run if that's the case. And the head of the Dem Party calling off Fox News for debates, even though they'd have their True news-only people monitoring them, was not a good move, IMO. It only adds to the polarization.
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Posted: 3/16/2019 2:43:09 PM
^Thank you to both of the two above well reasoned and respectful posts.

I am always facinated to have the opportunity to get a glimpse into the other reality.



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