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 cotter
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Message 2683 ...

Msg: 2678
Llove ... do you ever wonder what their story will be when the experts prove the collusion?

They'll probably deflect, and pivot to attack Hillary/Obama.

Yeah ... they will say that Hillary and President Obama "colluded" to get Trump elected so they could humiliate him. You know ... set up everything to make it look like Trump and his cohorts colluded with the Russians (even though there is proof they were dumb enough to pull that off on their own).

They are beginning to find fake documents being sent to trustworthy news broadcasters with the idea that they (the news broadcasters) will broadcast the "fake" information as "breaking news". Rachel Maddow was sent a false NSA document so that she could discredit herself by reporting it.

Maddow reported:
"We believe now that the story we have stumbled upon here is that somebody out there is shopping carefully forged documents to try to discredit news agencies reporting on the Russian attack on our election and, specifically, on the possibility that the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russians in mounting that attack,.” Maddow concluded.

In the words of Amy Siskind, the President and Co-Founder of The New Agenda, “this is a very well orchestrated effort to hurt our media and dull their voice.

"BuzzFeed News was sent fraudulent National Security Agency documents alleging collusion between a member of the Trump campaign and the Russian government, making it the second news outlet to reveal that it was the apparent target of a hoax attempt.

BuzzFeed’s Chris McDaniel said that his outlet received a fake NSA report that appeared to be the same as one sent to MSNBC host Rachel Maddow last month
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I think they already know Trump is going to be found guilty and so they're already trying to set up trustworthy news broadcasters and associations to appear untrustworthy. Rachel is very busy trying to find out who sent it ... wonder if they will be able to link it to the Trump organization as well.
 John252817
Joined: 8/24/2016
Msg: 2677
Muslim in America
Posted: 7/9/2017 3:04:31 PM
YIKES^^^^^^^^ Waiting for Maddow to apologize for her mistake. Again, a perfect example of BS.....YIKES!!!
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 2678
Muslim in America
Posted: 7/9/2017 3:17:03 PM

Msg: 2690
YIKES^^^^^^^^ Waiting for Maddow to apologize for her mistake. Again, a perfect example of BS.....YIKES!!!


You see, you are the undisputed deflection King!

I am still waiting for you to prove me wrong, and show me who are those "experts" you are talking about?
 John252817
Joined: 8/24/2016
Msg: 2679
Muslim in America
Posted: 7/9/2017 3:22:47 PM
YIKES^^^^^^^^ Waiting for Maddow to apologize for her mistake. Again, a perfect example of BS.....YIKES!!!
 cotter
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Posted: 7/9/2017 3:41:58 PM
Message 2691 ...

Msg: 2690
YIKES^^^^^^^^ Waiting for Maddow to apologize for her mistake. Again, a perfect example of BS.....YIKES!!!

You see, you are the undisputed deflection King!

Talk about "deflection" ... he can't even understand a post.

LMFAO ... what does Rachel Maddow have to apologize for? She never broadcasted any wrong news!

Too fvcking funny ... johnny can't even read a post and get the correct information out of it. Even if he had googled what I wrote he would have found no article that said Rachel ever broadcast anything but that someone has been sending her "carefully forged documents to try to discredit news agencies reporting on the Russian attack on our election!

She never once reported what was on the "forged documents" ... just exposed the fact that now news agencies are receiving "fraudulent National Security Agency documents" ... not just MSNBC ... but others as well.

OMFG ... how dumb can a person be? He thinks Rachel needs to apologize for trying to warn other news agencies about what is going on?

And what about that is "BS"? He thinks it's "BS" that Rachel Maddow is now warning other news agencies to be aware of "fraudulent National Security Agency documents"?

Too fvcking funny ... Rachel is trying to help other news agencies and he thinks it's "BS" and she should have to apologize!



Okay ... I am now laughing so much I have to catch my breath.


Bwahahahahaha ...

I wonder if any of his friends will venture in to tell him he's a fool ... or that he even mistakenly posted that Rachel needs to apologize?


OMG ... Now he posted it twice and still doesn't realize Rachel Maddow has nothing to apologize for ... she never broadcasted what was on the "fraudulent National Security Agency documents"!

 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 2681
Muslim in America
Posted: 7/9/2017 3:47:37 PM
That is brilliant, if you think about it.

She reports that she was given a report that said ALLEGEDLY BAD THINGS that were a hoax, but it turned out to be false, the ALLEGEDLY BAD THINGS and then she can say, "I didn't ACTUALLY report the ALLEGEDLY BAD THINGS" while actually revealing the ALLEGEDLY BAD THINGS, that happen to be false.

And then she can report that THOSE PEOPLE are supplying information with ALLEGEDLY BAD THINGS and it must be the SUBJECT OF THE HOAX that is providing false ALLEGEDLY BAD THINGS, not possibly someone who is a hater of the person falsely accused of doing ALLEGEDLY BAD THINGS.


Brilliant, actually!

Brilliant!

. . . for those who will fall for it because they hate the subject anyway.

Like the other day I read a report about how Trump haters were not pleased with his daughter sitting in a meeting in his stead.
A whole long story quoting Trump haters.
OF COURSE THEY WOULDN'T BE HAPPY ABOUT IT! LOL!
They hate Trump.
That's NEWS?

LOL LOL!
 John252817
Joined: 8/24/2016
Msg: 2682
Muslim in America
Posted: 7/9/2017 3:50:10 PM
"OMFG ... how dumb can a person be?"

About as dumb as you cotts....YIKES!!!

by Tyler Durden
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She thought she had it. The smoking gun that would prove someone in Trump's campaign colluded with the Russians to steal the 2016 election. But, when a forged NSA document sent to Rachel Maddow turned out to be just more bad information from more anonymous sources, it left the crusading MSNBC host feeling a bit "triggered." As such, she opened her show last night with the following segment:

“Somebody, for some reason, appears to be shopping a fairly convincing fake NSA document that purports to directly implicate somebody from the Trump campaign in working with the Russians in their attack in the election."

“This is news, because: why is someone shopping a forged document of this kind to news organizations covering the Trump-Russia affair?”




Not surprisingly, Maddow uses the discovery to imply that someone within the Trump administration is intentionally planting fake information in an attempt to discredit her show. She goes on to imply that similar efforts may have caused the recent firing of 3 'journalists' at CNN who simply couldn't be bothered with verifying the anonymous tip they received.

Here are more details of Maddow's show from the Daily Caller:

On June 7, an unidentified person sent documents to an online tip line for Maddow’s show, she said.

That was two days after The Intercept published legitimate NSA documents that were stolen by Reality Winner, a contractor for the agency.
And that's where Maddow's faux-outrage breaks down.

You see, if it's clear that Maddow received her forgery after the intercept published their documents then there's really no 'there' there. Pretty much anyone with an internet connection could have simply taken the Reality Winner documents from The Intercept website and used them create a forgery to send to Maddow.

Of course, Maddow knew that her whole story was bullshit unless she could convince her viewers that the forgery she received was created before The Intercept published it for the world to see. If she could prove that, then she could insist the forged document must have come from someone on the 'inside.'

So, she decided to get 'technical' and take a look at the "metadata" on the document she received. As it turns out, the "creation date" on the document she received was roughly 3.5 hours before The Intercept published their Reality Winner story. See, it's all laid out right here on this lovely timeline graphic. Checkmate, Mr. Trump!





Except, not. Ironically, by stretching the truth in an attempt to prove that her story was in any way relevant, Maddow unwittingly proved exactly the opposite.

As The Intercept has subsequently pointed out, the "creation date" on the document received by Maddow (see the timeline above) perfectly matches, to the exact second, the "creation date" on The Intercept's Reality Winner document.

Why? Because that is the exact time in which The Intercept created their document and published it to their cloud server.

All of which simply proves that Maddow's source didn't have a sneak peak at the Reality Winner documents...they actually used The Intercept document as their source for creating their forgery.

Now, we could be wrong here...but, if the Trump administration wanted to dupe Rachel Maddow we suspect they could have gotten their hands on clean copies of the Reality Winner docs without having to lift them from The Intercept's website.





So, what seems more likely to have happened here is that Maddow's staff could easily tell the "NSA document" was a forgery from the start and simply ignored it at first. Afterall, she received the document on June 7th and is just now deciding to talk about it a month later? Unlikely.

But, when 3 journalists from CNN lost their jobs for publishing fake news, Maddow saw an opportunity to launch a whole new narrative attacking the Trump administration by alleging that they're planting fake intelligence reports with the media. Never let a good crisis go to waste...as they say.

Edward Snowden summarized the situation the best in a series of tweets:

Maddow's lawyerly defense of why her implication was wrong is disappointing. Such caution should come prior to raising alarm on national TV.

When the media's credibility is under attack, rushing stories out before checking facts and contacting the subject is hard to comprehend.

That said, journalism is hard and mistakes happen. When they do, as in this Maddow case, apologies should be frank and unequivocal.

When we start getting economical with facts, we lose. This important story was mangled by needlessly injected an unsupportable conspiracy.

Each time the media gets a prominent story wrong right now, I wince. More than egg on a famous face, it risks a generation's trust in news.

If our most famous journalists are so proud they can't admit to what is now an obvious error, how can they hope to hold the public trust?

Most folks can't read three different papers every day. If we don't set the highest standard, many give up and say the truth is unknowable.

That is the twilight of an age.
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 2683
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Posted: 7/9/2017 3:57:02 PM

Msg: 2694
Like the other day I read a report about how Trump haters were not pleased with his daughter sitting in a meeting in his stead.


As others have pointed out, she is unqualified, is not an elected official, this is not take your child to work day.

The level of nepotism screams of hypocrisy. You and all the other Trump apologists would be screaming at the top of your lungs if Obama or Clinton asked any of their daughters to do the same.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 2684
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Posted: 7/9/2017 4:03:12 PM
See above for an example of what a Trump hater would say.
Why write a whole news piece about it?
It is not news that they would whine.


This was interesting:

^^^^^^^Merkel defends Ivanka Trump sitting in at G-20 meeting^^^^^^


""""German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Saturday defended President Trump’s daughter Ivanka for briefly sitting in for her father during a Group of 20 summit meeting in Germany.

Merkel, who served as the host leader of this year's summit, said at a news conference that it was up to individual nations to decide who represented them, Bloomberg reported.

"The delegations themselves decide, should the president not be present for a meeting, who will then take over and sit in the chair,” Merkel said, according to the report.

“Ivanka Trump was part and parcel of the American delegation, so that is something that other delegations also do. It’s very well known that she works at the White House and is also engaged in certain initiatives.”


A photo of the first daughter sitting beside British Prime Minister Theresa May and Chinese President Xi Jinping surfaced on Twitter, drawing some criticism, including from aides to former President Barack Obama.

Cabinet officials typically replace the president at high-level sessions when a stand-in is needed. Ivanka serves as an unpaid adviser to her father in the White House.

“Ivanka was sitting in the back and then briefly joined the main table when the president had to step out,” a White House official said in response to the photo.

The topic at hand reportedly concerned one of Ivanka Trump's projects, the World Bank finance initiative for women entrepreneurs."""""
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 2685
Muslim in America
Posted: 7/9/2017 4:17:59 PM

OMFG ... how dumb can a person be? He thinks Rachel needs to apologize for trying to warn other news agencies about what is going on?


Dumb enough to quote a blog post from an anonymous source.

Ergo, Fake News.


Though in his defense he is probally too stupdi to know who Tyler Durden really is.

It also explaisn why he will not post a link the story as well, as it would show the source is 100% questional, as that is how fake news works, just toss it out there and hope some dummy like johnny eats it up forwards it along.
 John252817
Joined: 8/24/2016
Msg: 2686
Muslim in America
Posted: 7/9/2017 4:24:15 PM
YIKES, another Maddow follower, surprise surprise. We already know how dense you are Lol and you keep giving us more and more proof of that. STOP, we don't need any more proof of you being dense....YIKES!!!
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 2687
Muslim in America
Posted: 7/9/2017 4:58:24 PM
What concerns intelligent people, about Chump sending in his daughter, is that its usual policy to send in the SecState. Y'know, the same guy who said Chump said things to Putin and Chump said, naw, didn't do that. What does it say about foreign policy, when the State Dept is not only underfunded, but literally out of the loop in what's going on? How does a government run, when the CINC won't allow it to run? Does he really only trust his family members to run the entire USA policy? Maybe that works great on Game of Thrones. or in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. makes America look the least stable in decades, no wonder the G20 went the way it did.

someone raised the issue about the media making Chump the story. Italy and Canada had their own train wreck leaders. But if America has elected a bull to run loose in its china shop, isn't that a story to report on? Not like there are GOP victories to report on. maybe the news media can report on how Chump failed to keep North Korea from building a missile that can hit Sarah Palin's front porch. Who wants to get known for that failure on their watch?

maybe Chump can make a trade deal with China in return for dealing with NK, delegate out his job and sell some more American jobs to another country. Hopefully we won't pay $7 million for it...again.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 2688
Muslim in America
Posted: 7/9/2017 6:01:56 PM

YIKES, another Maddow follower, surprise surprise. We already know how dense you are Lol and you keep giving us more and more proof of that. STOP, we don't need any more proof of you being dense....YIKES!!!


john you support a guy who does not exercise because he thinks that a person is built like a battery, is born with a finite amount of energy.

Just let that sink in for two seconds and then let me know who is the stupid person is.
 The_Pearl
Joined: 2/7/2017
Msg: 2689
Muslim in America
Posted: 7/9/2017 6:29:03 PM
Bawhahaha...got you there. A person can't claim to be smart... if they think Trump is anything but dumb and in way over his head. Putins puppet...Hillary had it right.

Who is Maddow?
My immediate thought is...if you don't like or think a program is legit....why do you watch it or then repeat the supposed fake news ?
Duh!!
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 2690
Muslim in America
Posted: 7/9/2017 6:36:04 PM
Exactly.
Whining is expected from Trump haters.
Not..... News.

 The_Pearl
Joined: 2/7/2017
Msg: 2691
Muslim in America
Posted: 7/9/2017 6:43:21 PM
It's called GLOATING...look it up!!
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 2692
Muslim in America
Posted: 7/9/2017 6:45:59 PM
Gloating because you are wrong once again? Gloating because once again things that you interpreted as a "gotcha" is a big nothing "who cares" ?
That 's weird.

 N2U16
Joined: 9/25/2016
Msg: 2693
Chum For The Liberal Zombie Horde
Posted: 7/9/2017 6:46:44 PM
The Intercept
Glenn Greenwald
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/07/rachel-maddows-exclusive-scoop-about-a-fake-nsa-document-raises-several-key-questions/

“While it is of course possible that there is some widespread, coordinated, official effort to feed news outlets false information in order to discredit stories about Trump and Russia, there is no real evidence for that theory, and this story does not offer any. Maddow’s warnings about the need for caution and authentication are important ones, but if — as seems likely — the document MSNBC received was sent by someone who got it from The Intercept’s site, then the significance of this story seems very minimal, and the more ominous theories her report raises seem to be BASELESS.”

F A K E N E W S or Chum For The Liberal Zombie Horde
 Doremi_Fasolatido
Joined: 2/14/2009
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Posted: 7/9/2017 8:29:17 PM
Golly, fake news is the story now?? Our President is the king of crappola facts. The man, and his people working for him are not only not on the same page but are reading from different books. Wrong, I forgot Trump disdains reading, sorry....


The man, or those controlling him [CLUE!! it's not us!] is afraid of our free press. Which reports the news [Usually, by cameras and microphones for OUR benefit... Which were banned from THEIR meeting] and is seeking to diminish the freedom of OUR FREE PRESS... And therefore our ability to make informed opinions about how we as a society should conduct ourselves and then use OUR VOTE AND VOICE to express our wishes.

But, some meetings just must be conducted in secret... RIGHT? And ,the public will simply have to take faith in the word of those involved in said meeting... RIGHT? Is this the right way to conduct a free nation?? It's happening right before everyones very eyes and I for one am not OK with this.... Are you???

If you can't see this after the Trump/Putin palaver and Trumps obvious love of the Vlad then you might want to ask yourself what is it you like about Trump? Putin is a liar, so is Trump and he is our supposed leader. They are but co conspirators in collusion and election fraud too. Obama called Putin out on this and ran out of time to correct it. Trump just got done smooching Putins Russian fanny..... He has no interest in our electoral process or correcting any fraudulent activities. It wouldn't benefit him or Mother Russia.

At least that is how I view this meeting and it is also my opinion...Big deal... We're done unless more folks can see this.....IMHO.... And, I must apologize as I intended to post this on the Russian threat thread. Too late now and there aren't enough threads to keep up with all of the threats. Again IMHO.... Or, is it real????
 N2U16
Joined: 9/25/2016
Msg: 2695
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Posted: 7/9/2017 9:51:07 PM

Golly, fake news is the story now?? Our President is the king of crappola facts. The man, and his people working for him are not only not on the same page but are reading from different books. Wrong, I forgot Trump disdains reading, sorry....


The man, or those controlling him [CLUE!! it's not us!] is afraid of our free press. Which reports the news [Usually, by cameras and microphones for OUR benefit... Which were banned from THEIR meeting] and is seeking to diminish the freedom of OUR FREE PRESS... And therefore our ability to make informed opinions about how we as a society should conduct ourselves and then use OUR VOTE AND VOICE to express our wishes.

Well, you avoided the article by Glenn Greenwald so I acknowledge your agreement that Maddow’s report was just Chum for The Liberal Zombie Horde.

“OUR FREE PRESS”……This is Cute, it really is….. LOL

Might I suggest ……..Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media by Edward S Herman and Noam Chomsky

To simplify, Al Jazeera created a short video piece based on Chomsky’s book. That’s right, Al Jazeera, so you Lib’s know its legit. Might say, 2 Legit 2 Quit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LGPIXvU5M

If I could be so bold to recommend a few additional books by Noam Chomsky……

“How the World Works”
“Who Rules the World”
“Understanding Power”
and of course, my fav………. “Media Control: The Spectacular Achievements of PROPAGANDA”


You Can’t Touch This
 Doremi_Fasolatido
Joined: 2/14/2009
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Posted: 7/9/2017 10:04:52 PM
#2708... Take all media as a whole, both pro con right and left.... Digest all information gleaned then draw your own conclusions about not just opinion but also that which is said and caught on camera.... This is what I do and have been doing. It's not cute and a pain in the ass because Trump lies so much and his staff and himself contradict one another daily.... But, over the course of a couple of years I have concluded Trump is not just a liar but also owned by Mother Russia.

I don't need Noam Chomsky or anyone else to make me realize we've got a con man running our country. If you need to find out how OUR world works by reading about it in a book then you might as well apply for Russian citizenship now.

Use OUR system before it's too late. It's real , and something you can actually do NOW.... Before Trump and Russia eradicate it with your help by lack of involvement.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 2697
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Posted: 7/10/2017 6:43:27 AM

Well, you avoided the article by Glenn Greenwald so I acknowledge your agreement that Maddow’s report was just Chum for The Liberal Zombie Horde.


Or maybe he avoided it because even Glenn has admitted he screwed up.


None of this is to suggest that there is no newsworthy story here. It appears, at least if one accepts Maddow’s descriptions of the document, that someone did send her an altered document. But there is a massive difference in terms of the importance of this story if it was sent by some random person from the public who obtained the document after The Intercept published it, as opposed to someone who had access to it before publication.


UPDATE: Ben Wittes, to his credit, apologized for the false claims he made after watching Maddow’s report:
…wrong this morning in my suspicion that @maddow's story reflected a compromise of The Intercept's systems.
— Benjamin Wittes (@benjaminwittes) July 7, 2017

You're overstating what I said, which was that it raised the question, but your point is well taken, and as I say, I apologize.
— Benjamin Wittes (@benjaminwittes) July 7, 2017



https://theintercept.com/2017/07/07/rachel-maddows-exclusive-scoop-about-a-fake-nsa-document-raises-several-key-questions/
 kubatto
Joined: 6/13/2017
Msg: 2698
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Posted: 7/10/2017 7:03:16 AM
Can I ask a simple question..How did this Muslim thread end up being taken over by trump and russia?
 cotter
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Posted: 7/10/2017 8:05:17 AM
Message 2695 ...
YIKES ...
by Tyler Durden
Not surprisingly, Maddow uses the discovery to imply that someone within the Trump administration is intentionally planting fake information in an attempt to discredit her show. She goes on to imply that similar efforts may have caused the recent firing of 3 'journalists' at CNN who simply couldn't be bothered with verifying the anonymous tip they received.

I saw the show and it is available for review (I'm sure) online ... and I did not hear her ever even imply that someone within the Trump administration is intentionally planting fake information. She DID say that they are looking into where the document may have come from.

So who exactly is this "Tyler Durden" that "YIKES" is placing so much value on? Aparently "Tyler Durden" is some sort of FAKE (or made-up) guy. I found the following:
The real identities of 'Tyler Durden' and Zero Hedge have been revealed

The men behind the legendary finance blog Zero Hedge have been unmasked after one former blogger with the site revealed the identity of his employers.

Speaking with Bloomberg reporters Tracy Alloway and Luke Kawa, Colin Lokey — described as a "political science graduate with an MBA and a Southern twang" — said he was part of a three-man team running Zero Hedge, the blog best known for its sensationalist headlines and bearish outlook on the world.

Lokey, 32, says the other men behind the site are 37-year-old Daniel Ivandjiiski, a Bulgarian former hedge fund analyst, and Tim Backshal, a 45-year-old credit derivatives strategist. Lokey claims to have worked for Zero Hedge for more than a year.

The identity of the bloggers running Zero Hedge has long been the subject of speculation in the financial community, with Ivandjiiski often cited as the likely source of much of the site's content. As early as 2009, speculation that Ivandjiiski could be behind the blog appeared in US media, with a New York Post article titled "BLOGGER MAY HAVE A PAST" speculating that he was in fact behind Zero Hedge.

Ivandjiiski worked in a hedge fund before being kicked out of the securities industry during the height of the financial crisis in 2008 for insider trading, the report says.

Backshall frequently tweets under the handle @credittrader and has made appearances on CNBC. In 2012, for example, Backshall appeared on CNBC by phone to discuss the credit default swap market. The screenshot below is taken from that appearance.

So the main "guy" involved in that site (where YIKES got his information) is an insider trading criminal ... FAKE ... sitting around reporting that Rachel Maddow did something she actually DID NOT do!

LMFAO ... apparently this guy has influenced YIKES into believing that Rachel Maddow somehow owes someone an apology.

A FAKE is where YIKES gets his news? Nothing new.

Message 2710 ...
LOL ...
... Glenn has admitted he screwed up.

Sooooo ... once again, Rachel owes no one an apology ... and "YIKES" continues to be the laughing stock!

Yep ... that's what I thought.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 2700
Scum For The Rightist Zombie lord [Trump, of course]
Posted: 7/10/2017 8:10:04 AM
It never stops being Hillaryous, that the easiest way to show a Yikes Flounder post is total BS...is to simply look up his source. Anyone else would be so embarrassed to constantly look like a fool. I think Yikes Flounder adds them all up, and keeps score of how many times he's easily discredited. Like its a self-hatred thing. Keep being you, Yikes Flounder, we don't mind these easy victories. And its not like you don't have company with the other two goofballs pitching softballs across the plate.
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