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 The_Pearl
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Are they the same Canadian retards that can't tell fake news if it bit them on the arse

Lol.....is this coming from someone that believes Trump.. is going to create some sort of Utopia in his country?
Bahahahaha

As far as Fake News...up here the only one that seems to create news is Fox...that I have seen.

Do Americans ever watch....The Rick Mercer Report?

 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 2352
Muslim in America
Posted: 6/16/2017 10:32:43 AM
Trumpets don't expect Trump to create Utopia.
 triblata
Joined: 6/11/2017
Msg: 2353
Muslim in America
Posted: 6/16/2017 10:55:24 AM


The only "cure" for religion is knowledge.


No necessity for a "cure" to religion Herod....it serves a very important and beneficial purpose...it makes people happier and healthier to believe than not to believe. It provides them a membership in a like minded community. Many studies show the benefits of Religion. Outliers like you, people who spurn friendship, decency and camaraderie...who don't even understand the psychological benefits and necessity of tribalism, are the problems..the troublemakers. ...not the religious. The only group you belong to is the leftist trash group...that is a group without honor or decency.

BTW...Herod = a Wicked and Godless man...... I think your new name fits like a glove :-)
 triblata
Joined: 6/11/2017
Msg: 2354
Muslim in America
Posted: 6/16/2017 11:06:03 AM

“Each religion has helped mankind. Paganism increased in man the light of beauty, the largeness and height of his life, his aim at a many-sided perfection; Christianity gave him some vision of divine love and charity; Buddhism has shown him a noble way to be wiser, gentler, purer, Judaism and Islam how to be religiously faithful in action and zealously devoted to God; Hinduism has opened to him the largest and profoundest spiritual possibilities. “
– Sri Aurobindo (Essays in Philosophy and Yoga, p.211)



Religion has often been a vehicle for intolerance and fundamentalism; religion has been used as an excuse for persecution and war. But, religion in its purest form has provided many benefits for humanity.

Teachings of goodwill and the golden rule

“We must be bright and cheerful. Long faces do not make religion. Religion should be the most joyful thing in the world, because it is the best.”
– Swami Vivekananda




Within all religions there are teachings of goodwill to our fellow men. The golden rule of religious teaching is to treat others as we would like to be treated ourselves. At the World Parliament of Religions (1993), a declaration towards a Global Ethic was made. This principle was signed by 143 leaders from the major faiths. The simple declaration read:

“We must treat others as we wish others to treat us”
Two passages from Gospels quote Jesus Christ in espousing the Golden Rule.

“Do to others what you want them to do to you. This is the meaning of the law of Moses and the teaching of the prophets.”
– Matthew 7:12

This principle is often ignored by votaries of religion, but without ethical teachings propagated by religions, there would have been even more conflict and division in the world. Religious ethics, such as the Golden Rule do provide a basis for encouraging better human behaviour.



Role in promoting ethics in political life

It is true many adherents of religion have ignored the important religious teachings of goodwill, and equality. But, a higher message of religion is that man is equal before God. This principle has inspired some religious reformers to campaign against injustice. For example, in the Nineteenth Century, many of the opponents of slavery were motivated by a belief that racism and slavery were incompatible with religious teachings on the inherent divinity of all men. For example, the Quakers, and Christians like William Wilberforce sought to end slavery because they believed slavery was incompatible with Christian charity.

Inner strength

Religious faith has often been a source of courageous action. For example, many who opposed Hitler’s Nazi ideology were motivated by their religious faith; this includes people like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Maximilian Kolbe and Bernhard Lichtenberg. Religious faith can be a source of courage to fight oppression.

The message of forgiveness

Some of the world’s great acts of forgiveness have been motivated by a religious ethic and faith in the importance of forgiveness. For example, Martin Luther King, frequently used Christian language to preach a message of peace and forgiveness. Other great leaders inspired by religious teachings on forgiveness include Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela and the 14th Dalai Lama.

Man’s Thirst for the Unknowable

The religious urge to discover more about life has never left man. From primitive civilisations to the acme of Western civilisation, there have always been people unsatisfied with a purely materialistic interpretation of life. This has encouraged people to give priority to an inner life of prayer and meditation as well as outer achievements. Religion can give an opportunity for man to attain the ‘peace that passeth understanding’. Religion holds the promise of ultimate enlightenment. Buddhism teaches the goal of Nirvana, The Hindu Upanishads state:

“From Delight we came into existence.
In Delight we grow.
At the end of our journey’s close, into Delight we retire.”
Selfless Service

Religious teachings emphasise the need for serving our fellow man. The loftiest teaching is to do this selfless service without expectation of reward or praise, but to work with a feeling of oneness and identification with other people. In its purest form, religion can inspire people to serve the welfare of others, not out of ego, but out of a sense of divine duty. This principle of selfless service is found in all the main religions and has led to the foundation of many charitable works.

Religious Music

Within the context of religion, some of the most profound, moving and sublime music has been created. Even a non-religious person can appreciate the divine sacred music of Beethoven, Bach or Schubert. In Indian and Asiatic religion there is a similar strand of richly devotional music, that has enriched human culture.

Religious Art

“Religion, like poetry, is not a mere idea, it is expression. The self-expression of God is in the endless variety of creation; and our attitude toward the Infinite Being must also in its expression have a variety of individuality – ceaseless and unending.”
– Rabindranath Tagore

Pieta Michelangelo
Pieta by Michelangelo
During the Renaissance, it was often organised religion which was the greatest patron of the arts. The Catholic church patronised some of the greatest works of Michelangelo such as the Sistine Chapel and the Pieta. The purest form of religion encourages the highest expression of the Divine through artistic form.

New thought

Religion is often associated with long-standing dogmas, but religious and spiritual movements often begin as dynamic movements, which establish existing political, cultural and religious norms. Religious teachers, such as Jesus Christ, the Buddha, Guru Nanak challenged many social norms, such as caste systems and ossified social customs. Religion can become stale and ossified itself, but religious leaders and new spiritual movements have the capacity to think outside the box and offer different paths for people to follow.

Conclusion

Within every religion there is outer imperfection. But, there are also teachings and a culture which can help lift up man to live a better, more fulfilling and more selfless life.

It is true that man has often misused the ideals of religion for their own selfish ends. Religion has become a source of pride and conflict because man has acted badly in the name of religion. But, there are many saints and religious figures who, inspired by religion have made a significant contribution to the world.

This is not to say that religion is indispensable. One may live a deeply spiritual life, without being attached to a particular organised religion. But, religion may be the inspiration for someone to lead a better life. But, like many other things – religion is what we make of
 triblata
Joined: 6/11/2017
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Posted: 6/16/2017 11:10:43 AM

Far from relaxing and enjoying life, most atheists I have encountered are gloomy blighters with a depressing and nihilistic message that there is no purpose to life so where's the point of anything? They so often fall into the category defined by GK Chesterton: "Those that do not have the faith/Will not have the fun." You only have to attend one of their dreary humanist funerals to see that – I am never going to another of those, just to be made miserable.


So sad


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/oct/24/atheism-religion
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 2356
Muslim in America
Posted: 6/16/2017 11:32:35 AM

Outliers like you, people who spurn friendship, decency and camaraderie...who don't even understand the psychological benefits and necessity of tribalism, are the problems..the troublemakers. ...not the religious.


Tribalism can take many forms. That it's a tribe doesn't necessarily demand there be a religion associated with it and many in a tribe do not have to have a religious belief to be considered part of said tribe. By definition it's the behavior and attitudes that stem from strong loyalty to one's own tribe or social group (not necessarily a religious group, although that doesn't necessarily exclude it). I would imagine you could have a tribe of knitters, who don't believe in any religious affiliation of any kind who have great friendships with their own and other tribes, are incredibly decent and enjoy immense camaraderie and reap great psychological benefits from it. Religion is not a requirement to be all of the aforementioned. It's the belief that one religious group is better/has a better god than the next and will wage war and other atrocities in the name of their religious beliefs that is the problem. Or, more to the point, use their religious beliefs as a cover for their misdeeds, including war and war-like behaviours.

To state


The only group you belong to is the leftist trash group...that is a group without honor or decency.
is definitely a statement made not by a friendly knitter non-religious tribe member, but by one with a religious belief who is displaying a decided lack of decency, a lack of friendship and camaraderie and has not only portrayed themselves as a troublemaker but relishes it. Maybe the quoted poster should take up knitting.

vvv Maybe Trump...his high use of it has made it unavailable online or in stores.
 ThroatLozenge
Joined: 3/2/2016
Msg: 2357
Muslim in America
Posted: 6/16/2017 11:41:52 AM
Who stole my Aquanet??
 triblata
Joined: 6/11/2017
Msg: 2358
Muslim in America
Posted: 6/16/2017 11:53:28 AM

Tribalism can take many forms. That it's a tribe doesn't necessarily demand there be a religion associated with it and many in a tribe do not have to have a religious belief to be considered part of said tribe. By definition it's the behavior and attitudes that stem from strong loyalty to one's own tribe or social group (not necessarily a religious group, although that doesn't necessarily exclude it). I would imagine you could have a tribe of knitters, who don't believe in any religious affiliation of any kind who have great friendships with their own and other tribes, are incredibly decent and enjoy immense camaraderie and reap great psychological benefits from it.


I don't disagree, but religion in many communities, especially on Sunday's, draw people from all walks of life into a community get together....it is probably more encompassing than the local knitting or book club. Also the belief in a greater being seems to unite people together more powerfully, than say, knitting togeter.


Religion is not a requirement to be all of the aforementioned.


Maybe not, but it is one method that brings people together and increases their happiness, their health, even their life span significantly.


It's the belief that one religious group is better/has a better god than the next and will wage war and other atrocities in the name of their religious beliefs that is the problem. Or, more to the point, use their religious beliefs as a cover for their misdeeds, including war and war-like behaviours.


Yea, so I've heard...but I think this is basically BS, especially in modern times. Judaism has always been a religion of peace and has never placed itself above other religions.......Israel was self defense... Christians in modern ages do not go around trying to convert people by violence. Muslims are a huge number of people and only an infinitesimally small number of them use violence to inflict their ways on others.

Regardless, it is a balancing act. Take all of the good and the number of people who benefit from that good, and all of the bad, and the good still greatly outweighs the bad. Nothing is perfect. But anything that can bring people together, give them meaning in life, companionship, hope, peace, etc.... is a really good thing.


To state The only group you belong to is the leftist trash group...that is a group without honor or decency.
is definitely a statement made not by a friendly knitter non-religious tribe member, but by one with a religious belief who is displaying a decided lack of decency, a lack of friendship and camaraderie and has not only portrayed themselves as a troublemaker but relishes it. Maybe the quoted poster should take up knitting.


Its merely a political statement and an affirmation of the disgust I personally have for the leftists on this board, whom I believe to be myopic, judgmental, extremists who violate my sense of what a civilized, decent society should be about. .... religion has nothing to do with any of this..... Except to the extent the leftist trash is anti-religious and tries to inflict its viewpoints on other peoples... rather than leaving well enough alone and not looking for problems where there are no problems
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 2359
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Posted: 6/16/2017 12:53:41 PM

Yea, so I've heard...but I think this is basically BS, especially in modern times.


So even though it is true you "think" is is basically BS.




Judaism has always been a religion of peace and has never placed itself above other religions.......Israel was self defense...


Cool story bro

https://www.google.ca/search?q=Israeli+people+attacking+Christians+in+Israel+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=KTdEWb7DL8n1-QGkl5zACA#q=Israeli+people+attacking+Christians+in+Israel&tbm=vid




Christians in modern ages do not go around trying to convert people by violence.


Actually they do, as you just have to take a look at the christians killing gays in places like Uganda is see that it happens every day.

Also you seem to be forgetting the people who in the name of jebus shoot up abortion clinics.




Either way, at the end of the day society is better off when there is less religion and that is a proven and well documented fact, as it does more harm than good.
 triblata
Joined: 6/11/2017
Msg: 2360
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Posted: 6/16/2017 1:18:55 PM

Either way, at the end of the day society is better off when there is less religion and that is a proven and well documented fact, as it does more harm than good.


Prove it. If its a well documented fact... shouldn't be hard to do.

 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 2361
Muslim in America
Posted: 6/16/2017 1:41:41 PM

Prove it. If its a well documented fact... shouldn't be hard to do.


Please feel free to refute anything here, shouldn't be too hard.


Secular Societies Fare Better Than Religious Societies
If religion withers, does society rot? Clearly not.
Posted Oct 13, 2014
Phil Zuckerman Ph.D.

It is said over and over again by religious conservatives: without faith in God, society will fall apart. If we don't worship God, pray to God, and place God at the central heart of our culture, things will get ugly...

...Consider, for instance, the latest special report just put out by the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (and recently summarized on the website 24/7wallstreet.com), which lists the ten states with the worst/best quality of life. According to this multivariate analysis which takes into account a plethora of indicators of societal well-being, those states in America with the worst quality of life tend to be among the most God-loving/most religious (such as Mississippi and Alabama), while those states with the best quality of life tend to among the least God-loving/least religious (such as Vermont and New Hampshire)

If you are curious as to which states are the most/least religious, simply check out the Pew Forum’s Religious Landscape Survey. It’s all there. And then you can go ahead and check out how the various states are faring in terms of societal well-being. The correlation is clear and strong: the more secular tend to fare better than the more religious on a vast host of measures, including homicide and violent crime rates, poverty rates, obesity and diabetes rates, child abuse rates, educational attainment levels, income levels, unemployment rates, rates of sexually transmitted diseases and teen pregnancy, etc. You name it: on nearly every sociological measure of well-being, you’re most likely to find the more secular states with the lowest levels of faith in God and the lowest rates of church attendance faring the best and the most religious states with the highest levels of faith in God and rates of church attendance faring the worst.



https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-secular-life/201410/secular-societies-fare-better-religious-societies



Pew Forum’s Religious Landscape Survey
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/
 triblata
Joined: 6/11/2017
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Posted: 6/16/2017 1:50:08 PM
^^^^ Good try... but an opinion is proof of nothing. If you want to prove something, you need to point to unbiased scholarly studies...don't bother, I already proved religion is beneficial.... there is no proof its not.

And by the way... it only makes sense that people are more likely to seek out religion when their life is not going as well as they like so the opinion above is not even based on valid information... but I am guessing that is something you would never consider.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 2363
Muslim in America
Posted: 6/16/2017 2:42:57 PM

And by the way... it only makes sense that people are more likely to seek out religion when their life is not going as well as they like

Conversely, their lives may not be going so well to begin with because the belief has been ingrained for generations that "god will provide", rather than thinking and doing for themselves.
 triblata
Joined: 6/11/2017
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Posted: 6/16/2017 2:47:53 PM

Conversely, their lives may not be going so well to begin with because the belief has been ingrained for generations that "god will provide", rather than thinking and doing for themselves


That would be mere speculation. There is, as far as I know, zero evidence that people who believe in God...lead lives of despair because God has not provided for them... rather than doing for themselves.

There is also no evidence I know of, that believing in God is detrimental to the great majority of people who choose to believe.

There is plenty of evidence to support the theory that people are far more likely to believe in God, the harder their lives. And that makes sense of course. Why do so many of the long term incarcerated become born again?

The bottom line is the leftist trash here, like Herod... who are obsessed with their hatred of God and religion, always bitching and whining about the religious....have no evidence that religion is detrimental to the vast majority of people.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 2365
Muslim in America
Posted: 6/16/2017 3:07:44 PM

^^^^ Good try... but an opinion is proof of nothing. If you want to prove something, you need to point to unbiased scholarly studies...don't bother, I already proved religion is beneficial.... there is no proof its not.


Nice try at the deflection but I guess you missed this:


Pew Forum’s Religious Landscape Survey
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/

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There is also no evidence I know of, that believing in God is detrimental to the great majority of people who choose to believe.


Which means that you are poorly informed.




There is plenty of evidence to support the theory that people are far more likely to believe in God, the harder their lives. And that makes sense of course. Why do so many of the long term incarcerated become born again?


well looky here, Mr evidence is claiming something yet providing nothing to support it, how ironic.

But in case you are wondering, for many finding jebus helps when it comes time to parole and also many people who are facing long sentences have a moment of self reflection that let's them find a new self-awareness that may not have been pretest and at time people will cling to whatever seems good. It is similar to a PSTD experience where people can be more vulnerable to mental influences.
 triblata
Joined: 6/11/2017
Msg: 2366
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Posted: 6/16/2017 3:11:45 PM
"Which means that you are poorly informed."

Which means I understand what reliable evidence requires. You don't. Very sad. You also don't get the difference between causation and correlation. Even sadder.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 2367
Muslim in America
Posted: 6/16/2017 3:14:32 PM

There is plenty of evidence to support the theory that people are far more likely to believe in God, the harder their lives. And that makes sense of course. Why do so many of the long term incarcerated become born again?


I would wager to say that so many long-term incarcerated become born again, one - in the hopes of getting a reduced sentence as some form of magical proof that they've become repentant and therefore less likely to be a repeat offender; and two - for those who are facing a death penalty, a last ditch effort to feel forgiven because no one else will, not even themselves - they at least want to leave their life feeling as though others will not think of them quite as badly as they deserve to be thought of. Are there a few who truly believe at that point...probably, but more out of a misplaced fear that there "may" be a hell that the religious have ingrained in them (prison chaplans for instance).

Individuals who have a hard life in other ways (illness, deaths, impecuniosity, etc.), are possibly more likely to believe in a god because they strongly believe in miracles, due to the religion's unsubstantiated tales of same, rather than understanding there is cause and effect that they simply don't have the ability to understand.
 congupnaroad
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Posted: 6/16/2017 3:16:28 PM
MSG 2378

You must understand that Franky is all butthurt about religion because the religious conservatives in Canada successfully campaigned only as recently as 2008 to have the age of consent raised from 14 to 16.

Which meant that because Franky's sister was only 14 at the time it made him doubly illegal.
 funchesf
Joined: 6/27/2014
Msg: 2369
Muslim in America
Posted: 6/16/2017 3:17:46 PM

Posted By: deetristate
Trumpets don't expect Trump to create Utopia.

Trump supporters expect a "License to Hate" ...


Posted By: triblata
No necessity for a "cure" to religion Herod...

you claim you're not religious but yet refuse to deny that you're Jewish ....clearly a cure is needed


.it serves a very important and beneficial purpose

religion provides a way for the delusional to blend into society ...if a burning bush or a donkey talks to you ....just claim it's God


it makes people happier and healthier to believe than not to believe.

that's called...existing in a state of "Ignorance Bliss" ...


but religion in many communities, especially on Sunday's, draw people from all walks of life into a community get together.

it's to collect their ten percent of income ...it takes money to pave those streets of Heaven in gold and to pay off the victims of those naughty priests


Judaism has always been a religion of peace

even while they were stoning adulterers and unruly children to Death


Christians in modern ages do not go around trying to convert people by violence.

perhaps because the government made it illegal to torture and murder heretics


Muslims are a huge number of people and only an infinitesimally small number of them use violence to inflict their ways on others.

only when God command them to do so
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 2370
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Posted: 6/16/2017 3:23:59 PM

Which means I understand what reliable evidence requires. You don't. Very sad.


Then it would be extremely easy for you to refute any finding in here.

Pew Forum’s Religious Landscape Survey
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/

If you can't, you would be right up there with tRump and his false claims.




You also don't get the difference between causation and correlation. Even sadder.


Then explain it.

How does that apply in this case.

I will wait here while you ask your mom.
 triblata
Joined: 6/11/2017
Msg: 2371
Muslim in America
Posted: 6/16/2017 3:26:17 PM

I would wager to say that so many long-term incarcerated become born again, one - in the hopes of getting a reduced sentence as some form of magical proof that they've become repentant and therefore less likely to be a repeat offender; and two - for those who are facing a death penalty, a last ditch effort to feel forgiven because no one else will, not even themselves - they at least want to leave their life feeling as though others will not think of them quite as badly as they deserve to be thought of. Are there a few who truly believe at that point...probably, but more out of a misplaced fear that there "may" be a hell that the religious have ingrained in them (prison chaplans for instance).


More speculation.... that is only an opinion based on NOTHING.

LolTrump... you refer me to a Pew Study? of what in particular? Why not refer me to the entire encyclopedia so I can try to prove your assertions for you? i.e..... why not admit you know nothing... can prove nothing... you are anti-god so want everybody else to be anti-god too. Just like Herod....all of his b^tching and complaining....NOTHING to support his assertions about anything. So the guy doesn't believe in race or tribalism.....tough sh^t. Facts are terrible things.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 2372
Muslim in America
Posted: 6/16/2017 3:32:04 PM

More speculation.... that is only an opinion based on NOTHING.


yeah I know, as for some reason you can not back up a single thing you say.

I can only assume that is because you are full of sh*t.




you are anti-god so want everybody else to be anti-god too.


Nope, that is just you making stuff up in an attempt to justify your hate.

As it is clear you are so afraid and insecure in your beliefs that as soon as someone points out a truth you have to go full derp and deflect as hard as you can.





Just like Herod....all of his b^tching and complaining....NOTHING to support his assertions about anything.


Right because you always back you stuff up.

Look in the mirror window-licker, herod is you.





So the guy doesn't believe in race or tribalism.....tough sh^t. Facts are terrible things.


Well seeing as you can not produce any, you need not be afraid.
 triblata
Joined: 6/11/2017
Msg: 2373
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Posted: 6/16/2017 3:43:03 PM

you claim you're not religious but yet refuse to deny that you're Jewish ....clearly a cure is needed


Not a question but a babbling assertion.


religion povides a way for the delusional to blend into society ...if a burning bush or a donkey talks to you ....just claim it's God



A babbling assertion supported by a babbler's imagination.

it makes people happier and healthier to believe than not to believe.

that's called...existing in a state of "Ignorance Bliss" ...


If so, so what...if people are happier and healthier for that bliss?


but religion in many communities, especially on Sunday's, draw people from all walks of life into a community get together.

it's to collect their ten percent of income ...it takes money to pave those streets of Heaven in gold and to pay off the victims of those naughty priests


A babbling assertion which is belied by the actual evidence.


Judaism has always been a religion of peace

even while they were stoning adulterers and unruly children to Death


A babbling and meaningless and immaterial assertion by a strikingly ignorant man. who still apparently believes most people live in the dark ages.


Christians in modern ages do not go around trying to convert people by violence

perhaps because the government made it illegal to torture and murder heretics


A babbling, nonsensical and ignorant assertion based on an ignorant man's imagination.


Muslims are a huge number of people and only an infinitesimally small number of them use violence to inflict their ways on others.

only when God command them to do so


A babbling, nonsensical assertion not supported by a scintilla of evidence spouted by an ignorant man with a vivid imagination.

That constant babbling is the reason I need you to help with the Funchest doll.... only you can babble so much and so incoherently so constantly. Its really quite amusing. Its like what ever comes into the funchesf head becomes his reality.
 triblata
Joined: 6/11/2017
Msg: 2374
Muslim in America
Posted: 6/16/2017 3:54:25 PM
To the contrary Loltrump... I have produced scholarly studies proving the facts. You produce NOTHING other than an opinion which is based on NOTHING. IT is almost laughable you cite a Pew Study, but cite nothing from that Pew Study to support whatever garbage it is you are trying to assert on this board. You are very much like Funchesf......... but he simply babbles because he doesn't know any better. I see his babbling as free association. Ask him something... and anything can come out of his mouth... thus the funchest doll.

You on the other hand are an attempted master at never saying or proving anything you assert, and then accusing the other guy of not doing so. All of your big anti-religion talk.....you have established nothing other than it is beyond your ability to prove anything....because the evidence simply doesn't exist to prove your claims...... but keep on trying.

But that is your modus operandi on here. You make assertions... accusations....and yet can never prove anything you say. When a person contradicts you..you claim they are the know nothings..when you are in reality the know nothing... the guy who pretends to know things but can never produce evidence to prove anything. So sad.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 2375
Muslim in America
Posted: 6/16/2017 4:16:46 PM

If so, so what...if people are happier and healthier for that bliss?

yes, yes....like those happier healthier blissful people being oppressed, imprisoned, etc. the world over due to politics (greed) with their oppressors hiding behind religious beliefs (radical and not - think Pence in a relatively safe America and how his religion plays into his politics and how he would like to oppress the LBGTQ, women, etc., with others of his ilk).

It's pretty myopic to discount the rest of the world and base your assertions on 1st world countries. You certainly can't be trying to establish that individuals who believe in their own particular god are happier and healthier strictly by believing in their god while huddled together to pray or all alone while they and their children are being bludgeoned, shot, bombed, raped, tortured...need I go on. They may still believe even while suffering their own particular atrocities but their miracles aren't transpiring. When those miracles don't happen, then it's god's will, they've gone to a better place, they'll be reincarnated, you name it...and, if you don't believe, well, then the wonderful omnipotent god will have the unbelievers burn in hell, come back as a dung beetle, etc.

It's a fact (yes, fact, not a theory or "belief") that religion in developed countries is dying out as the human race evolves. It took a long time to stop knuckle dragging (some, unfortunately, still do mentally), so the evolution of a non-religious world will take it's time as well.
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