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 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 251
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#248


I don't know if it'd be worth the trouble to explain all of the deceptive things wrong with this pretension of logic. Is this what you think is 'uping' your game?


The only thing that is "deceptive" is what is between your ears, that prevents you from understanding anything that is of threat to what your mind has been pre-programmed to believe.

Please, do NOT try to explain anything....I've read enough of your imbecilic ramblings...just too Fkn boring!
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#249


You are using pseudo-science and mumbo-jumbo to disguise that this is just a god of the gaps argument.


What god of the gaps?
Are you a "god of the Gap" to a 2-D being, who (a) can't perceive of your full existence from his dimension, and (b) cannot fathom your rules of logic?

Sober up, man!...please!


You don't know any of this, because there is no actual knowledge.


Unbelievable! Did everything I said just go over your head?
I now believe that in order to qualify as an Atheist, one has to have a faulty neuronal connection which produces a pathologic loop circuitry. The question is if this is a genetic defect, or is it acquired!


There may, or may not, be other other dimensions but think about what that means. There is no crossover.


Not necessarily
you could certainly make 2-D being experience something beyond his dimensions.
If you were to drop a heavy object (from your 3-D world onto a 2-d world); what would a 2-D man see?
he would see something suddenly appear outta nowhere, and he would be left speechless & bereft of any explanation, of how it got there nor could he acquire the KNOWLEDGE to figure it out!
The same principle would apply from a 4-D world.. to a 3-d world


Yet based on these musings you mysteriously "acknowledge" a "supernatural concept" into which you insert, for no good reason, a "higher consciousness" which you endow with qualities.


Are you NOT a form of consciousness in a 3-D world?
If the answer is YES (assuming you are not heavily inebriated); then what would preclude the presence of another consciousness in higher dimensional realms. If so, then the question of "what qualities" to endow upon it (or not endow upon it) is strictly up to each individual.



Fail.


The thing that has failed you (and your cohorts) is the inability of your brain to grow & expand itself, as you remain trapped inside a box of your own making. It must truly suck to be in that spot, and not even have a step ladder to be able to look over the wall you made.

I'm outta here!
 funchesf
Joined: 6/27/2014
Msg: 252
There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/12/2017 8:17:46 AM

Posted By: yule_liquor
If you knew how to read, you would see that what I said ^ here, is exactly what I said just previously to you!

no.....you stated that Ghost or the term Ghost isn't applicable to 3D holography ...but how can that be since a Ghost and a 3D Hologram both emanating from a "God-Like Central consciousness" would be the exact same thing

that's why I asked you to explain your God and your beliefs without sounding like Captain Kirk ... and you are incapable of doing so

allow me to help you explain your religious beliefs without using scientific concepts plagiarized from Star Trek

1) God is the Consciousness that link all other Consciousness...oops ..er...that sounds like Pantheism ...

so ...er.. you're not a Pantheist are you? ...ok let's try something else

2) by meditating (A) and removing the abstract (B) you will become enlighten to your Ghost like existence (A=B) controlled by Omni-Beings (C>A=B) ....oops...er.. that sounds like kidsreason's Noism Religion

so...er...you're not a Norist are you?

3) wouldn't it be easier to just admit that you're a Judaeo Christian trying to think of a way not to follow the Jewish religion or give tithes?

but anyway you're welcome to try again to explain your God beliefs or why you're not a Ghost without sounding like a Trekkie

but if you can't ...then...live long and prosper
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 253
There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/12/2017 9:28:55 AM
@wolf


That is some opinion. Good for you. From my side the problem arises when dim and narrow minded people like you think they have some secret knowledge that everyone else doesn't have. Well you don't know and if you did you would be able to prove it.


This ^ again displays the neuronal circuitry defect endowed by many militant atheists...Btw, what secret am I holding!


I read it and it's all bullsh!t.


That philosophical propositions are regarded as "BS" to militant atheists comes as no surprise to me...Now I know for sure that I woulda had a far more rewarding experienced had I conversed with a donkey


You say there is a supernatural and a god.


I said what?


I just know their fkn crazy period.


its they're...not "their"...if you wanna bring up spelling


Again my answer is who fkn cares?


anybody with an open mind about this subject!


I did better on my spelling than you did yours.


Its not about spelling, you fool...its more about being stupid enough not to know the difference between a dilution..and a delusion.

and this is who I have been arguing with all this time...and its about time to for me to bring it to a stop

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funch


you stated that Ghost or the term Ghost isn't applicable to 3D holography


it isn't applicable; because we are all part of the same reference, and that experience would not differentiate between the physical & non physical. Its one or the other.


you're not a Pantheist are you?


in your intoxicated world, I'm anything you want me to be


wouldn't it be easier to just admit that you're a Judaeo Christian trying to think of a way not to follow the Jewish religion or give tithes?


It would but then I'd be dumbing myself down to low...just to make you understand.
It would be way easier for me if you ever put down the reefer


but if you can't ...then...live long and prosper


remember that ghosts never die
 wolfman4142
Joined: 12/20/2016
Msg: 254
There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/12/2017 10:14:29 AM
Matt Dillahunty put it best when he said It's like we have a jar of marbles here and the theist claims to know there are an even number. The atheist says could be an even number but we have no evidence for that and I remain unconvinced. That's all you're doing yule at the end of the day you're saying you believe in the supernatural without reason and we are saying we are unconvinced. Going into all this 3d 2d bullsh!t that no evidence exists to indicate that it's true and you try and to convince us and come up empty.

Getting frustrated and mad at people on here for not believing in something even you admit no evidence exists for. If you're gullible enough to believe in one supernatural claim without evidence then your gullible enough to believe all of them. Bigfoot could be the 4th dimensional being you mention that has appeared in this world that you can't explain. So are you now a bigfootian? Do you believe bigfoot died for your sins and is your lord and savior?


Its not about spelling, you fool...its more about being stupid enough not to know the difference between a dilution..and a delusion.

and this is who I have been arguing with all this time...and its about time to for me to bring it to a stop


It isn't about the spelling for me either yule or even the fact of how fkn stupid you are. It's the fact that your god is such a weak b!tch that you know it and feel he needs you to step in a make judgements about everyone for him. Judgements on everything from who is a real christian and what sins can and can't be forgiven and for whom those sins can be forgiven for. Even judgements about a spelling error I made when you make them on almost all your posts all the time.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
Joined: 3/27/2012
Msg: 255
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There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/12/2017 10:38:27 AM
Love that label, Militant Atheist. Geez.

This is for you guys:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHY2VKnJQ8Q
 wolfman4142
Joined: 12/20/2016
Msg: 256
There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/12/2017 11:23:11 AM
P.S. Dense f^ck

Another point of my rebuttal of the spelling was the fact that you have been specifically commanded not to judge people and you do so anyway. Of course you're going to make all kinds of excuses for yourself about whatever to justify doing it. Just like christian nazi hitler and his fellow christian nazis did when they were like "yeah well it's just non christian believing jews no big deal."

Final point is even if you were able to convince us that a supernatural being existed you would be hard pressed proving he knew about us or cared. Much less cared what we did or didn't do. So relax you don't have to feel guilty about putting all those dudes pee pees in your mouth all the time anymore.

At the end of the day yule it doesn't matter what you or anyone else believes or doesn't believe. However, It isn't up to me or you to decide what everyone else believes or doesn't believe either. We will both have to take people's word for it though. If you subjectively decide whom is or isn't whatever based on their actions and not by what comes out of their mouth. Prepare to have that challenged because all people of all beliefs are capable of anything people with no beliefs are capable of and vis versa.
 funchesf
Joined: 6/27/2014
Msg: 257
There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/12/2017 11:54:27 AM

Posted By: yule_liquor
remember that ghosts never die

neither do 3D holograms


Posted By: yule_liquor
it isn't applicable; because we are all part of the same reference, and that experience would not differentiate between the physical & non physical. Its one or the other.

you're double talking ......but everything can be place in perspective with one Question ...

THE QUESTION
is your God a 3D hologram or a Ghost?

it's these Perry Mason moments that makes it all worthwhile
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 258
There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/12/2017 7:07:16 PM

That's all you're doing yule at the end of the day you're saying you believe in the supernatural without reason and we are saying we are unconvinced.


Man you don't need to keep proving over and over that you are a twisted Fk, everytime you post...nobody is trying to convince you of anything. I'm just putting up logical propositions (post 66) that you idiotically called BS; (which proves that you know nothing!)......... as well as inter-dimensional constructs that in NO WAY can be deconstructed...does this offer proof?, I never said it did...in fact, I said asking for proof is Fkn stupid (which has been clearly established that you are...since you keep asking for it).


Going into all this 3d 2d bullsh!t that no evidence exists


There you go again!
Now let me ask you this, do you accept the concept of Infinity?


Getting frustrated and mad at people on here for not believing in something even you admit no evidence exists for.


Who is getting mad...I'm just astounded by your abject ignorance, not because I can't convince of what I'm saying...I couldn't give 2 Fks either way.


If you're gullible enough to believe in one supernatural claim without evidence then your gullible enough to believe all of them.


Lets look at terminology...What you regard as gullible, is something I see as interesting and worthy to ponder further about, to give it a fair-shake, but anything that would pose a challenge to your narrow scoped brain is a threat that causes you to denigrate the discussant by employing Ad Hominens, and not because you can deconstruct what has been put forth. This is why you LOSE the argument.


It's the fact that your god is such a weak b!tch that you know it and feel he needs you to step in a make judgements about everyone for him. Judgements on everything from who is a real christian and what sins can and can't be forgiven and for whom those sins can be forgiven for.


LOL...Another good example ^ of why you are a loser....I'm not the one who wrote the book, and I never specifically claimed that this is the God I speak for or who I take orders from; I asked that if you were really interested in knowing about the supernatural; then the only way is live a Godly life (regardless of the faith)...which is not the same as living a religious life...by a longshot. But I would have had a better chance trying to explain that to a demented Donkey, rather than you!

I'm just trying to explain some of it in the spirit of having an honest discussion about its contents. What you feel about it, is your business, and yours alone; but that doesn't permit you the right to twist it around to mean something it does not intend, and debase it because you "don't like" what it is asking you to do, just so it makes you feel good about being an Atheist!


Even judgements about a spelling error I made when you make them on almost all your posts all the time.


If you had a brain that worked, you'd know the difference between making a judgement and making an error. When you were in Grammar school, and the teacher gave you a failing grade for your poor Grammar...was that a judgment, or was it a fact that you did something held to be incorrect. But nonetheless, I am happy to contribute to your grammatical education. PS, it is not about spelling (everyone makes spelling errors).


Another point of my rebuttal of the spelling was the fact that you have been specifically commanded not to judge people and you do so anyway.


See above explanation...and no I have not been specifically commanded!


Final point is even if you were able to convince us that a supernatural being existed you would be hard pressed proving he knew about us or cared. Much less cared what we did or didn't do.


This ^ just re-enforces my long held theory that the true vein of a militant Atheist, has roots in the kind of experience that s/he may have had early on in life within the church....I could be wrong (but I doubt it), but you may have been abused, humiliated, mistreated within...your family may have even been cheated (by clergy members)..or perhaps, your prayers weren't answered fast enough if at all,...or may have had unrealistic expectations, felt abandoned, and you became resentful, and the bitterness brewed to where you are now boiling mad. Man, find yourself a good therapist..and let it all outta your system; the psycho-analysis will be quite therapeutic. And you can thank me for it!

Secondly, if there are multi dimensional beings...we can't even know if they are indeed creators, or just participators like we are. If a 2-D being "believed" in our existence and prayed to us...would that make us his creators?


At the end of the day yule it doesn't matter what you or anyone else believes or doesn't believe. However, It isn't up to me or you to decide what everyone else believes or doesn't believe either.


I never said it was...all I did was to put up ideas (which you attacked with impunity and without any merit) that triggered you into a rage....Not that I care about it, but that is what indeed happened..and what you are defined by!


If you subjectively decide whom is or isn't whatever based on their actions and not by what comes out of their mouth.


No subjectivity involved, if you do not do what comes outta your mouth, then you (or Hitler, etc) are not who you claim to be. Just like you are not a (fill in name) _________ christian anymore, whether by proclamation, or by deed, and this regardless of how long you been a member, and whatever rites you received, and whatever you previously believed in.

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@ Funch


neither do 3D holograms


well that should solve your erectile dysfunction, right! You can then still strap on a Dildo



THE QUESTION
is your God a 3D hologram or a Ghost?


When I peer into the 4th dimension, and able to take a peek at him/her...I'll let you know...if i send you a dildo then he is Hologram...if I send you Viagra, then he is a ghost
 lyingcheat
Joined: 9/13/2009
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There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/12/2017 7:51:49 PM

You don't know any of this, because there is no actual knowledge.


Unbelievable! Did everything I said just go over your head?


Not at all. That we have no actual knowledge is an accurate summary. You are just pretending to know things you don't know.
You invent a (multi-dimensional! woooo!) "supernatural concept" out of thin air into which you casually insert a "higher consciousness" which you endow with qualities.
It's a textbook 'God of the gaps' argument. It has no substance.



There may, or may not, be other other dimensions but think about what that means. There is no crossover.


Not necessarily
you could certainly make 2-D being experience something beyond his dimensions.
If you were to drop a heavy object (from your 3-D world onto a 2-d world); what would a 2-D man see?
he would see something suddenly appear outta nowhere, and he would be left speechless & bereft of any explanation, of how it got there nor could he acquire the KNOWLEDGE to figure it out!
The same principle would apply from a 4-D world.. to a 3-d world


You seem now to be pretending, or assuming the (assumed) denizons of (assumed) other dimensions might have agency here in this dimension via some "principle" you claim exists.
You call this reasoning?



Yet based on these musings you mysteriously "acknowledge" a "supernatural concept" into which you insert, for no good reason, a "higher consciousness" which you endow with qualities.


Are you NOT a form of consciousness in a 3-D world?
If the answer is YES (assuming you are not heavily inebriated); then what would preclude the presence of another consciousness in higher dimensional realms. If so, then the question of "what qualities" to endow upon it (or not endow upon it) is strictly up to each individual.


The existence of other dimensions is by no means certain, it is merely a hypothesis - one amongst a few. Yet that it simply isn't 'precluded' is sufficient for you to populate it with a "higher consciousness" to which anyone, apparently, can ascribe whatever qualities they like.

Turn your musings around. The existence of other dimensions isn't precluded, but neither is it known whether they exist. The fact is -
You don't know any of this, because there is no actual knowledge.


Your posts read like a defence of personal delusion.

Step 1. Imagine an alternate dimension.
Step 2. Insert consciousness into it.
Step 3. Endow consciousness with desired qualities.
Step 4. Commune with imaginary realm.
Step 5. Castigate people who doubt your imaginary friend exists.
 wolfman4142
Joined: 12/20/2016
Msg: 260
There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/12/2017 8:58:16 PM

Man you don't need to keep proving over and over that you are a twisted Fk, everytime you post...nobody is trying to convince you of anything. I'm just putting up logical propositions (post 66) that you idiotically called BS; (which proves that you know nothing!)......... as well as inter-dimensional constructs that in NO WAY can be deconstructed...does this offer proof?, I never said it did...in fact, I said asking for proof is Fkn stupid (which has been clearly established that you are...since you keep asking for it).


If asking for proof is fkn stupid then how is it a logical proposition? Bigfoot died for your sins and is your lord and savior from the 4th dimension accept him or burn in hell forever. <-- Is this what you would consider a logical proposition? You could say I have a hypothesis that other dimensions exist and god or whatever is there. To which I would reply good luck proving that one buddy. However that's not your angle is it?


There you go again!
Now let me ask you this, do you accept the concept of Infinity?


What like in calculus and set theory or physics? Does anyone have a choice but to accept this?


Who is getting mad...I'm just astounded by your abject ignorance, not because I can't convince of what I'm saying...I couldn't give 2 Fks either way.


At the same time you're calling me ignorant because your hypothesis is wrong, unprovable and matters not one fck. Nothing that you have said show one thing supernatural in existence. I would suggest first you define what you would consider supernatural. We may have two very definitions of the word. Is it supernatural for a doctor to transplant a heart from one dead or dieing person to another living one? You may have a very low bar for what I would consider supernatural. Another dimension being shown to exist has the possibility of not being supernatural at all.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 261
There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/12/2017 8:59:57 PM
^


out of thin air into which you casually insert a "higher consciousness" which you endow


If you believe yourself to be a conscious being with qualities (though not necessarily supernatural) in a 3-D world, then there is no way that you can say there aren't any such other beings in different dimensions, which in comparison to ourselves would be super-natural (in the way I defined it)...this does not mean that they are to be considered Diety or worthy of prayer. Whether they are Diety or not can be up for debate. You cannot postulate against this, unless you are just being obstinate for the purpose of defending your vanity


That we have no actual knowledge is an accurate summary. You are just pretending to know things you don't know.


The lame quip ^ of a person whose head has been stuck deep in the sand


assuming the (assumed) denizons of (assumed) other dimensions might have agency here in this dimension via some "principle" you claim exists. You call this reasoning?


Nobody is assuming that any being has any agency over anything...just like we do not have agency over a figurative 2-D being...but in theory we could....and in theory, perhaps, beings that might exist in greater dimensions might have agency in some way, that we cannot as of yet know, or even fathom...but even if so, having this capability would not necessarily qualify them as Dieties. The thing I can tell you is the definition of "infinity" changes as you go up the ladder of dimensions


It's a textbook 'God of the gaps' argument. It has no substance.


Nobody is making a case for "gods" per se....you are just pressing the panic button, because you backed into a corner, and re-iterating the same sh.it. We live in a 3-D world but we surely are no Gods, and likely have no agency...Based on theories of Multiple dimensions...none of this is incongruent...only to those whose minds are shut!


The existence of other dimensions is by no means certain,


I never said for certain that it was.


"higher consciousness" to which anyone, apparently, can ascribe whatever qualities they like.


If your delicate veneer is offended by the term 'Higher consciousness'...we can use the euphemism of "alternate consciousness".....but any such being would have to have some form of consciousness...regardless of qualities one wishes to endow upon it.


Your posts read like a defence of personal delusion.

Step 1. Imagine an alternate dimension.
Step 2. Insert consciousness into it.
Step 3. Endow consciousness with desired qualities.
Step 4. Commune with imaginary realm.
Step 5. Castigate people who doubt your imaginary friend exists.


Lemme polish up your Biased & self-serving outline...to something more coherent!

1. Postulate the possible existence of alternate dimensions, (which is inherent within String theory as well)
2. Consider the possibility (as we have in ours) that some form of consciousness could exist in such dimensions
3. Consider that said consciousness could have similar qualities than ours, or alternatively be incomprehensible to ours
4. Determine if there is any theoretical way of entering such a realm (without dying).
5, Ignore stupid pple, who say that none of this is possible, in the same way that Columbus likely ignored his detractors when he said the world was round..without any physical proof that was deemed acceptable
 wolfman4142
Joined: 12/20/2016
Msg: 262
There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/12/2017 9:01:14 PM

If you had a brain that worked, you'd know the difference between making a judgement and making an error. When you were in Grammar school, and the teacher gave you a failing grade for your poor Grammar...was that a judgment, or was it a fact that you did something held to be incorrect. But nonetheless, I am happy to contribute to your grammatical education. PS, it is not about spelling (everyone makes spelling errors).


Well let's look at the definition of judging someone shall we.
judged; judging https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/judge



This ^ just re-enforces my long held theory that the true vein of a militant Atheist, has roots in the kind of experience that s/he may have had early on in life within the church....I could be wrong (but I doubt it), but you may have been abused, humiliated, mistreated within...your family may have even been cheated (by clergy members)..or perhaps, your prayers weren't answered fast enough if at all,...or may have had unrealistic expectations, felt abandoned, and you became resentful, and the bitterness brewed to where you are now boiling mad. Man, find yourself a good therapist..and let it all outta your system; the psycho-analysis will be quite therapeutic. And you can thank me for it!


Of course! Something had to of gone horribly wrong for me to see the immorality of the christian faith. It couldn't of been just seeing it for what it really is complete and utter bullsh!t it has to be my pastor touched my pee pee or something. Dude nothing happened to me and christians in a lot of ways can be nice and very good people. Good people can believe bat sh!t crazy bullsh!t. I don't have any evidence to believe you are a bad person and just think this world is better off without religion period.

In all honesty I can't say one way or another if a god exists but I would say if one does for whatever reason he has chosen not to let us know in any way of his existence. Every holy book I have ever read is total dog sh!t. When I die and if there is a god and I face him at least I will be able to say I didn't believe the shameless lies everybody had said about him.


Secondly, if there are multi dimensional beings...we can't even know if they are indeed creators, or just participators like we are. If a 2-D being "believed" in our existence and prayed to us...would that make us his creators?


I don't feel any need to pray to anyone or anything. Nor do I feel the need to make something up to pray to. So you can take your 3d 7d 8d or whatever beings and put them back in your azz where you pulled them out of.


I never said it was...all I did was to put up ideas (which you attacked with impunity and without any merit) that triggered you into a rage....Not that I care about it, but that is what indeed happened..and what you are defined by!


Really yule you didn't say hitler is an atheist despite what hitler had to say about himself?


No subjectivity involved, if you do not do what comes outta your mouth, then you (or Hitler, etc) are not who you claim to be. Just like you are not a (fill in name) _________ christian anymore, whether by proclamation, or by deed, and this regardless of how long you been a member, and whatever rites you received, and whatever you previously believed in.


What is it that a christian is supposedly incapable of? You have shown judgement yourself and showed that they are at least capable of that. Christians are humans capable of all things humans are capable of. No magical powers came upon them making them incapable of anything.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 263
There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/12/2017 9:16:00 PM
@ wolf


If asking for proof is fkn stupid then how is it a logical proposition?


If you read what I wrote; it is not a proposition requiring physical proof to make it so...as there what (Kurt Godell) uncovered, unprovable truths in the Universe.


Does anyone have a choice but to accept this?


Then explain why the circumference of a circle would be regarded as "infinity" in a 2_D world...and not in a 3 -D world...and as we go up the ladder; other phenomenon we perceive as infinity might also be shattered (though in ways we as of yet cannot know). Thus the length of space-time could perhaps be known; among other things. Infinity is an illusion, imparted onto us by the confines of our Universe...and if collapses as we go up the dimensional ladder; then could you have entities existing in such realms. That is the postulation!

As far as the rest of non-sense you put up; it is largely no different than what you've already been saying; and it is not worth my while to repeat myself.
 wolfman4142
Joined: 12/20/2016
Msg: 264
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Posted: 1/12/2017 9:41:32 PM
ok got yah

Unprovable truths of the universe---> must be supernatural or "god"

Circle 2d world infinite 3d not -----> must be supernatural or "god"



then could you have entities existing in such realms.


Could be could be anything. These entities wouldn't be supernatural if they were able to be explained through natural processes. However none of it has anything to do with atheists existence. So why are you so off the subject? It's possible some form of life on earth could evolve into what we would percieve to be a supernatural being in a billion years. It wouldn't be supernatural but natural as it could be explained through natural processes. Some things we don't know can't know and will never know. All we can do is accept what we do know. As defined god belief is in fact a belief in a supernatural being. Supernatural by definition is fictional and made up and does not, can not and never will exist in this world.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
Joined: 3/27/2012
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There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/13/2017 4:20:14 AM
Yule, read this carefully:

there is no way that you can say there aren't any such other beings in different dimensions

Now again, pay careful attention...you are saying that a person can't say that there isn't some kind of beings in different dimensions.

Ok, now...that is true. But, the problem with it is that no one is saying that there are not any beings in different dimensions. That's not being said in the first place. So, why you would even say this doesn't make sense. It doesn't apply. Yet the fact that you are still saying this reveals the kind of thinking which you employ. Erroneous thinking.

This is reflected...shows up again, in the same paragraph -

You cannot postulate against this

It is not being postulated against. So, why you would say that it can't be postulated against...is weird.
 funchesf
Joined: 6/27/2014
Msg: 266
There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/13/2017 9:20:54 AM

Posted By: yule_liquor
well that should solve your erectile dysfunction, right! You can then still strap on a Dildo

was that a line from your Autobiography ..."The Priest and The Altar Boy"?


Posted By: yule_liquor
When I peer into the 4th dimension, and able to take a peek at him/her...I'll let you know

didn't you peek into the 4th dimension when you dropped that LSD?


Posted By: yule_liquor
.if i send you a dildo then he is Hologram...if I send you Viagra, then he is a ghost

Temper Temper ...please don't retaliate to the question by threatening to send your old ancient antique and corroded sex toys

since you claimed to exist as a 3D hologram is why I asked whether your God exist as a 3D hologram or a Ghost ...

and since you don't know ...

I rest my case
 Yule_liquor
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Posted: 1/13/2017 8:21:39 PM
Drink


Ok, now...that is true. But, the problem with it is that no one is saying that there are not any beings in different dimensions.


Actually, that is pretty much what your colleagues (...you included) here are alluding to or insinuating...that none of this is possible, that I'm making it all up, its all deceptive BS, its "re,tarded"...and that there is no proof.

I realize that there are no "proofs" to physically demonstrate (and I stated as to why we cannot acquire proof).... But because of the inter-dimensional dissonance inherent in the examples I gave; lack of proof CANNOT be considered as proof of "lacking"...Thus, just like a 2-D being that cannot acquire evidence for "our" existence...then likewise, we could also barred from acquiring evidence of the existence of 4-D (or 5-D) beings.

But when detractors go as far as pompously deriding the (dimensional) constructs that I put up...without at least showing that they are implausible or unsound in any way...then the counter-argument is LOST, because you've all simply lost the intellectual "high ground" by spewing your malicious epithets...which is (I'm sorry to say), what characterizes those of your ilk.
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wolf


Unprovable truths of the universe---> must be supernatural or "god"


Whether or not there is a Deity...is anybody's guess!
But when something that cannot be calculated in a 2-D world...is easily calculable in a 3-d world, then to a 2-D being it is DEFINITELY super-natural!

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Funch


didn't you peek into the 4th dimension


No, it was the 5th dimension....a purely reefer dimension in the Aquarious Universe...all the pple there asked me where you were!


you dropped that LSD?


Yeah, I think it landed in your pop-corn bowl when you were watching porno Star-trek reruns.


I asked whether your God exist as a 3D hologram or a Ghost


Neither, he is a shape-shifter, and I was created in his image
I can shift from mushy to rock hard in 3 seconds...and before you can start to feel anything, I will have been done with my deed... and be gone!


I rest my case


You should,...... considering the massive sized Dildo, that is stored inside it...its a wonder you don't get a Fkn hernia.
 wolfman4142
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Posted: 1/13/2017 8:45:48 PM

Whether or not there is a Deity...is anybody's guess!
But when something that cannot be calculated in a 2-D world...is easily calculable in a 3-d world, then to a 2-D being it is DEFINITELY super-natural!


That would depend on one's definition of supernatural. This is my definition--->(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond the laws of nature. A 2d and a 3d world exists and things are different about both those worlds but it doesn't bend or break or go beyond the laws of nature. It can appear that way to someone if the event is beyond their scientific understanding but scientific understanding can change. However if something were to suspend the laws of nature you couldn't explain it ever because the laws of nature never change. That's the issue with religious beliefs as they claim a suspension of the laws of nature in their favor when in all actuality it is just a yet to be explained natural occurrence.
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 1/13/2017 9:45:10 PM

You invent a (multi-dimensional! woooo!) "supernatural concept" out of thin air into which you casually insert a "higher consciousness" which you endow with qualities.


If you believe yourself to be a conscious being with qualities (though not necessarily supernatural) in a 3-D world, then there is no way that you can say there aren't any such other beings in different dimensions...


Certainly, which is why I haven't said that.

I'm saying there is no way you can say there are such beings.

Actually there's no way you can even say there are other dimensions, let alone other dimensions containing any 'higher consciousness' that can be endowed with whimsical made-up qualities. Which is why I keep saying, perfectly accurately, You don't know any of this, because there is no actual knowledge.


That we have no actual knowledge is an accurate summary. You are just pretending to know things you don't know.


The lame quip ^ of a person whose head has been stuck deep in the sand


Not at all. It's accurate. Unless you are saying you do know? Is that what you are saying?
Do tell.


Just kidding!
The fact is you don't know if there are other dimensions. You certainly don't know, even if there are, whether they are populated or what they might be populated with.

You are pretending to know things you don't actually know.


The existence of other dimensions is by no means certain, it is merely a hypothesis - one amongst a few. Yet that it simply isn't 'precluded' is sufficient for you to populate it with a "higher consciousness" to which anyone, apparently, can ascribe whatever qualities they like.


...we can use the euphemism of "alternate consciousness".....but any such being would have to have some form of consciousness...regardless of qualities one wishes to endow upon it.


Seriously? You don't even know whether other dimensions exist, you (obviously) can't possibly know whether or not (if they exist) they are populated, but you confidently assert your imaginary being would "have to have some form of consciousness".

As I said... your posts read exactly like a defence of personal delusion.

Step 1. Imagine an alternate dimension.
Step 2. Insert consciousness into it.
Step 3. Endow consciousness with desired qualities.
Step 4. Ignore people who point out it the lack of evidential support.
Step 5. Castigate people who doubt your imaginary friend exists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps
 knowledgeNIgnorance
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Posted: 1/13/2017 10:25:40 PM

You are pretending to know things you don't actually know.


Or believing you know things you dont actually know

Amazing how much mileage can be gotten out of that delusion before reality kicks you in the butt
There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/14/2017 12:01:54 AM
It's funny how nobody can prove "atheists" exist...

So they keep trying to make this topic about God; and how bad he is...

A real "atheist" wouldn't need a Bible, a god, or a belief to define themselves.

And in 11 pages, nobody's using science to try proving "atheists" exist.

Just more proof, "atheists" don't exist.
There's no such thing as an atheist.
Posted: 1/14/2017 12:09:51 AM
Do you really think complaining about God being unfair, proves you're an "atheist?"
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 1/14/2017 1:08:53 AM

It's funny how nobody can prove "atheists" exist...


I can. Easily. Whether you comprehend that I have is a separate issue though...

Atheism, and indeed theism, are self reported descriptions of internal mind states. Likewise, a clairvoyant who reports they can read minds. We need no more 'proof' they have the internal mind state than their report.

You are using the wrong terminology too - if you want 'proof' of things you should take up mathematics. Almost everything else is necessarily provisional.

I can easily demonstrate that atheists (people who self report lacking a belief in gods) exist, in large numbers.
In exactly the same way you could easily demonstrate that theists (people who self report a belief in gods) exist, in large numbers.

Just reference any global poll, or national census, that contains a religion question.


However, the content of the reported mind state can be examined, and evidence requested (if a positive claim is made) to support its validity.

The real issue, taking clairvoyants as an example since they make a positive claim (they allege they can read minds) is the question of whether they can demonstrate there is sufficient warrant (reason, evidence) to justify belief in that claim.
Likewise, since it's theists who make the positive claim (they allege there is a god, or gods, in whom they believe) the question is whether they can demonstrate there is sufficient warrant (reason, evidence) to hold that belief.

If you seriously want to engage in a worthwhile discussion as opposed to just being a wanker, and I guess your preference will be revealed shortly, you could start by addressing the actual content of this post - as I addressed yours.
 Coma_White
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Posted: 1/14/2017 1:16:33 AM

It's funny how nobody can prove "atheists" exist...

So they keep trying to make this topic about God; and how bad he is...

A real "atheist" wouldn't need a Bible, a god, or a belief to define themselves.

And in 11 pages, nobody's using science to try proving "atheists" exist.

Just more proof, "atheists" don't exist.


Fuzzy logic is not proof. Atheists don't need a bible or anything to define them. It's just a term people use to describe those tho don't believe in God. The same way you call people that don't go to the gym "non gym members".
 knowledgeNIgnorance
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Posted: 1/14/2017 2:46:02 AM
Nice side step ihopethisforkingnameworks unfortunately ineffective

A real "atheist" wouldn't need a Bible, a god, or a belief to define themselves.


The only need an atheist has for a god or bible is as an illustration as to what they do not believe is true.

How ever an atheist does in fact define them self by what they believe to be true
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