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 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 1026
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Only diehard Trump azz-kissing worshippers would ever believe his word over Comey’s, regardless of whether there are “tapes,”


it isn't even a matter of whether they believe him or not (many might not)...it is just a matter of them remaining firm on what they perceive Trump stands for ( a real Patriot, who puts America first!).


Oh, Lordy, I hope he does fire Mueller! That would be the best thing to ever happen!


He has already contemplated doing that (as his friend Chris Ruddy has already revealed...but was advised against it); and if Mueller starts to hit "pay-dirt" I bet Trump will indeed fire him. I'm saying this because Trump is wagering that if he fires Mueller...the GOP led house and Senate will likely take no further action. Remember that few thought Trump would fire Comey when he did!

This is a gamble that Trump would probably be willing to take, because if he knows the investigators are "closing in"...then its only a matter of time before Mueller presents his recommendations for impeachment based on obstructing Justice. Instead, if Trump "severs" the investigators before a conclusion is reached, then it will all be left in limbo. With a strong voter base in the red states, I doubt the GOP will take any further steps and risk pissing off the Trumpanzees!
 triblata
Joined: 6/11/2017
Msg: 1027
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/19/2017 6:41:49 AM
The other side:


Consortiumnews
Independent Investigative Journalism Since 1995
The Fallacies of the ‘Russia-Truthers’
June 16, 2017

Exclusive: The anti-Russia hysteria – now rivaling past Red Scares with Russians hiding under every bed – has led to factual errors in press accounts and has erased standards of political fairness, reports James W. Carden.


By James W. Carden

One of the more extraordinary developments since the U.S. presidential election is that the paranoia and the grotesque disregard for facts, evidence and logic that characterized the Trump-inspired “birther movement” can now be reasonably said to characterize the Left’s stance toward Donald J. Trump.


Russian President Vladimir Putin, following his address to the UN General Assembly on Sept. 28, 2015. (UN Photo)
There seems to be nothing that Trump opponents will not say and no charge, however low, they will not stoop to making as long as it furthers the goal of removing Trump from office. But, alas, the liberal case against Trump rests upon little more than widely shared fictions and unsubstantiated claims about Trump’s alleged ties to Russia.

For instance, testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee on June 8, former FBI Director James Comey cast doubt on a Feb. 14 New York Times report titled “Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence.”

The article, which relied on “four current and former government officials,” said that “Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election” and that “the intercepts alarmed American intelligence and law enforcement agencies, in part because of the amount of contact that was occurring while Mr. Trump was speaking glowingly about the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin.”

Comey was asked about the report during an exchange with Sen. James Risch, R-Idaho.

RISCH: I remember, you — you talked with us shortly after February 14th, when the New York Times wrote an article that suggested that the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians. This is not factual. Do you recall that?

COMEY: Yes.

RISCH: OK. So — so, again, so the American people can understand this, that report by the New York Times was not true. Is that a fair statement?

COMEY: In — in the main, it was not true.

Later in the hearing, Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Arkansas, asked Comey: “Would it be fair to characterize that story as almost entirely wrong?” To which Comey replied: “Yes.”

Spreading Hysteria

However, the anti-Russian hysteria has spread well beyond the pages of The New York Times and even beyond the circumstances of the 2016 presidential campaign. Allegations about Russian meddling have included U.S. government attacks on Russia’s RT network for allegedly undermining Americans’ faith in their democracy by broadcasting debates among third-party presidential candidates and covering the Occupy Wall Street movement.


The Washington Post building in downtown Washington, D.C. (Photo credit: Washington Post)
Even American journalists have come in for a taste of the lash for not joining in the Russia-bashing. Last Thanksgiving Day, The Washington Post ran a front-page story based on an anonymous Web site called PropOrNot that accused 200 Web sites – including Consortiumnews.com, Counterpunch, Truthout, Truthdig and other leading independent news sources in America – of peddling “Russian propaganda,” presumably in part, because they questioned the State Department’s narratives about the Ukraine crisis or the Syrian conflict.

The Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank founded by Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta, recently issued a report warning that Russian President Putin is building a European “5th column” to advance a goal of undermining Western democracy. Anybody who does not join in the ritual denunciations of Putin and Russia is under suspicion.

Yet in light of Comey’s testimony, perhaps it is worth recalling a number of other instances in which Russia was accused of seeking to disrupt and discredit Western democracies and see how well they’ve held up.

In April of last year, Dutch voters rejected a referendum on whether to approve an Association Agreement between the European Union and Ukraine. Russia was quickly accused of meddling in the referendum.

One New York Times headline screamed: “Fake News, Fake Ukrainians: How a Group of Russians Tilted A Dutch Vote.” The Times reported that two Russians had worked against the referendum for the Dutch Socialist Party.

But, as the Dutch journalist and author Chris Kaspar de Ploeg points out, the Times story credits “these mere two (!) individuals” with having “tilted the Dutch vote.” In the end, De Ploeg notes, the Times was forced to admit that “no one has yet come up with concrete evidence that the Russian state, rather than individual Russians, is working to skew the election and many wonder why Moscow would even bother trying to do so in a small country.”

Brexit Accusations

Similar accusations of meddling were leveled against Russia in the run-up to the June 2016 Brexit vote. Joerg Forbrig of the German Marshall Fund told the Daily Beast, “I do think that the Kremlin has been trying to reach out to the leave campaign. There may well be support but it will be very hard to find out about this because they will be extremely discrete.”


Russians taking part in an Immortal Regiment march, honoring family members who died during World War II, on May 9, 2017.
“We do know,” said Forbrig, “that the Kremlin is also materially supporting other actors that have potential to undermine European unity, and the European Union.”

After the “Leave” campaign emerged victorious, Labour MP Ben Bradshaw told the House of Commons “I don’t think we have even begun to wake up to what Russia is doing when it comes to cyber warfare.”

And yet, despite all the handwringing, U.K. Foreign Minister Boris Johnson was recently forced to admit: “We have no evidence the Russians are actually involved in trying to undermine our democratic processes at the moment. We don’t actually have that evidence. But what we do have is plenty of evidence that the Russians are capable of doing that.”

A December 2016 New York Times editorial also expressed concern that Putin had set his sights on Europe, citing “ominous signs that Russia is spreading propaganda and engaging in cyberattacks in Europe in advance of several national elections next year.”

And yet, according to Politico Europe, a year-long investigation by German intelligence issued in February 2017 “failed to uncover evidence of Kremlin-backed meddling” and “found no concrete proof of disinformation campaigns targeting the government.”

In the run-up to May’s presidential election in France, Sen. Richard M. Burr, R-North Carolina, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, told the New York Times: “I think it’s safe by everybody’s judgment that the Russians are actively involved in the French elections.”

Speculation about Russian interference went into overdrive just hours before the vote when emails from the campaign of pro-E.U. candidate Emmanuel Macron were leaked. The culprit? You guessed it! According to a May 6 report in The Independent, “Vitali Kremez, director of research with US-based cyber intelligence firm Flashpoint, said his analysis indicated that APT 28, a group tied to Russia’s GRU military intelligence directorate, was behind the leak.”

But once again, no evidence was to be found. In an interview with the Associated Press, Guillaume Poupard, director general of France’s cyber-defense agency, said his agency “found no trace that the Russian hacking group known as APT28, blamed for other attacks including on the U.S. presidential campaign, was responsible” for the leak.

But that didn’t stop Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Maryland, from repeating the accusations. After all, why let facts get in the way of a good story? Raskin screeched to protesters at the so-called “March for Truth” that Russia “hacked and trashed Macron, in a bid to elect the right-wing, immigrant bashing Marine Le Pen.”

Viral Distortions

Needless to say there have been many reports of Russian cyber attacks in the U.S. that have gone viral but were quickly shown to be untrue.


A busy tourist scene in St. Petersburg, Russia. (Photo by Robert Parry)
Of these, perhaps the best known was a story in Slate by former New Republic editor Franklin Foer in which Foer claimed a computer server belonging to the Trump Organization was secretly communicating with what Hillary Clinton described as a “Putin-tied bank” in Russia.

And yet, as On the Media’s Bob Garfield sardonically noted, “it took cyber experts about 5 minutes to knock that story down.” As it turns out, the “secret server” wasn’t secret and the domain in question didn’t even belong to Trump; it belonged to a marketing company called Cendyn.

The link to the Russia’s Alfa bank? Executives from Alfa frequented Trump hotels and as a matter of course received marketing/promotional emails from Cendyn on behalf of the Trump Organization. Cyber expert Robert Graham described Foer’s story as “nonsense.”

Yet Foer, was if anything, in good company. The Washington Post, in a December 2016 story accused the Russian government of hacking into an electrical grid in Burlington, Vermont. The sensational headline read: “Russian operation hacked a Vermont utility, showing risk to U.S. electrical grid security, officials say.”

Vermont Governor Peter Shumlin was quick to denounce the Kremlin, declaring “Vermonters and all Americans should be both alarmed and outraged that one of the world’s leading thugs, Vladimir Putin, has been attempting to hack our electric grid, which we rely upon to support our quality-of-life, economy, health, and safety.”

But, alas, the story was quickly debunked by the electrical utility in question, which released a statement, which read, in part: “There is no indication that either our electric grid or customer information has been compromised. Media reports stating that Burlington Electric was hacked or that the electric grid was breached are false.” The Post had to append an embarrassing editor’s note explaining why their story didn’t hold up to the minutest scrutiny.

Given all this, our hardy band of “Russia Truthers” might do well to curb their hysteria until such time as Independent Counsel Robert Mueller concludes his investigation. Maybe then there might be at least some evidence attached to the various allegations. But the prospects for such self-control are not good. There is too much momentum – and political self-interest – behind the sordid campaign to paint the 2016 election result as the product of sinister Russian interference.

James W. Carden served as an adviser on Russia policy at the US State Department. Currently a contributing writer at The Nation magazine, his work has appeared in the Los Angeles Times, Quartz, The American Conservative and The National Interest. He has reported from both rebel- and government-held eastern Ukraine.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 1028
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/19/2017 7:00:44 AM
At height of Russia tensions, Trump campaign chairman Manafort met with business associate from Ukraine
By Rosalind S. Helderman, Tom Hamburger and Rachel Weiner June 19 at 6:00 AM

In August, as tension mounted over Russia’s role in the U.S. presidential race, Donald Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, sat down to dinner with a business associate from Ukraine who once served in the Russian army.

Konstantin Kilimnik, who learned English at a military school that some experts consider a training ground for Russian spies, had helped run the Ukraine office for Manafort’s international political consulting practice for 10 years.

At the Grand Havana Room, one of New York City’s most exclusive cigar bars, the longtime acquaintances “talked about bills unpaid by our clients, about [the] overall situation in Ukraine . . . and about the current news,” including the presidential campaign, according to a statement provided by Kilimnik, offering his most detailed account of his interactions with the former Trump adviser.

Kilimnik, who provided a written statement to The Washington Post through Manafort’s attorney, said the previously unreported dinner was one of two meetings he had with Manafort on visits to the United States during Manafort’s five months working for Trump. The first encounter was in early May 2016, about two weeks before the Trump adviser was elevated to campaign chairman.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-height-of-russia-tensions-trump-campaign-chairman-manafort-met-with-business-associate-from-ukraine/2017/06/18/6ab8485c-4c5d-11e7-a186-60c031eab644_story.html?utm_term=.8d1f8c5d3c57
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 1029
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/20/2017 6:09:22 AM
The net is getting tighter.


Donald Trump, Felix Sater and the Mob: Lawyers Push to Unseal Court Documents They Say Could Show Fraud By President
By Josh Saul On 6/19/17 at 8:23 PM

Lawyers seeking to unseal documents related to the criminal past of a former business partner of President Donald Trump said in federal court on Monday that the documents may contain evidence that Trump committed fraud.

The sealed documents are from a federal case against Felix Sater, who Trump reportedly tapped as a senior advisor for his real-estate business in the 2000s even after Sater’s earlier role in a Mafia-linked stock scheme became public.

“A fellow named Donald Trump is now president and he had a business associate named [Sater.] The public needs to know the length of their relationship and the nature of the relationship and what kind of person [Sater] is,” attorney Richard Lerner said in Brooklyn federal court Monday afternoon. “By allowing this regime of secrecy to continue, it’s facilitating what may have been fraud by President Trump.”


http://www.newsweek.com/trump-sater-mafia-mob-bayrock-russia-court-brooklyn-fraud-behar-627408
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 1030
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/20/2017 7:02:16 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-republicans-block-russia-sanctions-bill/ar-BBCXS89?li=BBnb7Kz

The GOP house is now "bending over" for Putin (perhaps by Trump's urging)...which has even surprised the GOP Senate!

The GOP house is calling this Senate originated bill a "revenue bill"...thus unconstitutional!
Since when does a bill that imposes sanctions,,,increase US revenues
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 1031
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/23/2017 9:48:05 AM
More proof that Russian attacked the election and I guess this will be the cue for the ones who hate the USA and all it stands for to come and and comment on how it does not matter, or attempt to deflect away from the facts about thier hero tRump and his shady dealings.


Obama’s secret struggle to punish Russia for Putin’s election assault
By Greg Miller, Ellen Nakashima and Adam Entous
June 23, 2017


Early last August, an envelope with extraordinary handling restrictions arrived at the White House. Sent by courier from the CIA, it carried “eyes only” instructions that its contents be shown to just four people: President Barack Obama and three senior aides.
Hacking Democracy
Timeline

The White House debated various options to punish Russia, but facing obstacles and potential risks, it ultimately failed to exact a heavy toll on the Kremlin for its election interference.

• Graphic: The main findings, highlighted

Inside was an intelligence bombshell, a report drawn from sourcing deep inside the Russian government that detailed Russian President Vladi­mir Putin’s direct involvement in a cyber campaign to disrupt and discredit the U.S. presidential race.

But it went further. The intelligence captured Putin’s specific instructions on the operation’s audacious objectives — defeat or at least damage the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, and help elect her opponent, Donald Trump.


Go here to see the full timeline of events that show

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.ce9c782522ad
 John252817
Joined: 8/24/2016
Msg: 1032
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/23/2017 9:05:29 PM
A former hacker for the National Security Agency says the Obama administration failed to do its job when confronted with intelligence that showed Russia's attempt to influence the 2016 presidential election.

"They were so busy thinking about retaliation and secrecy that they were not doing the thing that would make a difference," the source told Business Insider on condition of anonymity, given the sensitive nature of their work with Tailored Access Operations, the NSA's elite hacking unit.

A bombshell report published Friday by The Washington Post, which focused on the timeline of Russian hacking and how the Obama administration responded, revealed that the White House struggled with keeping the matter closely held, and did not respond in any substantive way until the election had ended, despite knowledge of Kremlin ties to the hackers being revealed months prior.

“It is the hardest thing about my entire time in government to defend," a senior Obama administration official told The Washington Post. “I feel like we sort of choked.”

The NSA hacker was highly critical of how the White House responded, especially the timing of it, which the Post report showed came five months after Obama first learned that Russian President Vladimir Putin was deeply involved in election interference efforts.

“The government is fully aware that election voting systems are being targeted and implanted," the source said. "And they just sent it around in paper memos to each other.”

Still, officials tried to offer assistance to states to harden voting systems and briefed members of Congress, though both moves quickly became partisan fights over the veracity of the Russian hacking claim. Obama himself was hesitant to take swift action due to a perception that such a move would play into the narrative formed by then-candidate Donald Trump, who was warning that the election was "rigged," the Post reported.

But as president, Obama could have taken a similar approach to John F. Kennedy — revealing classified photographs that proved the Soviets were bringing missiles to Cuba in 1962 — or Ronald Reagan, who ordered the release of classified radio intercepts proving the Soviets had knowingly shot down a civilian airliner in 1983, the source said.

"It’s the president’s job to protect our democratic system," the source continued. "That is his fundamental duty."

The argument often made against such disclosures that would stamp out any doubt of Russian hacking efforts is that they would reveal sensitive sources and methods. If Obama made public the technical data the intelligence community had, such as IP addresses, web servers, and software used, Russia would then change its tactics in response and the US would lose access to that intelligence.

But that argument doesn't hold up to scrutiny, the NSA source said, given the rapid pace of technological change and the seemingly endless ways that intelligence can be collected nowadays. When President Kennedy made top secret spy plane photos taken over Cuba public, it was clear there was only one place where they came from.

“You’ve gotta strike when the iron’s hot. If you have that serious critical stuff that’s going to impact an election," the source said. "It’s crazy. They’re just totally failing to do their jobs.”

The source added: "The point of the intelligence community is not to protect its implants," the hacker said, mentioning a term for a backdoor into a targeted network. "It’s to inform the decision makers.”

The hacker gave an interesting analogy to demonstrate what they called the "greatest intelligence failure since 9/11."

If a South American country started bringing the Zika virus onto American shores, the hacker said, would the CDC worry about fingering the country responsible for the outbreak, or try to quickly figure out how to protect people from it?

“You don’t wait until the epidemic is killing everyone," the source said.


^^^^^^^YIKES!!!!
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 1033
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 2:21:10 AM

Msg: 1034
A former hacker for the National Security Agency says the Obama administration failed to do its job when confronted with intelligence that showed Russia's attempt to influence the 2016 presidential election.


I just watched Kellyann Conway CNN interview where she is refusing to answer this very question, that Russia attempted to influence the 2016 presidential election.

Are you aware Sean Spicer is looking for his own replacement as White House Press Secretary? I am sure you could do a great job informing everyone, including president Trump, that the Russian's did in fact attempted to influence the 2016 presidential election. YIKES!!!
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
Msg: 1034
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The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 4:55:09 AM
Well as owen jones who writes for the grauniad says regarding russian intervention in the sherman presidential election it is indeed 'look in the mirror' time.........

"But while Americans feel justifiably angry at alleged interference with their political process, they have also been handed a mirror, and the reflection should disturb them.
For the US is a world leader in the field of intervening in the internal affairs of other countries.

The alleged interference is far more extensive than hacking into emails belonging to unfavoured political parties. According to research by political scientist Dov Levin, the US and the USSR/Russia together intervened no less than 117 times in foreign elections between 1946 and 2000, or “one out of every nine competitive, national-level executive elections”.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/05/americans-spot-election-meddling-doing-years-vladimir-putin-donald-trump

And of course the wee nation that i live in not only had uk politicians using 'project fear*' we also had the catholic church AND the orange order meddle in our affairs. And who else?.............

"Barack Obama made his dramatic intervention in the Scottish independence debate last week after being asked to do so by Prime Minister David Cameron, it has been claimed. The president said he wanted to see the UK remain “strong, robust and united” during a joint news conference with Mr Cameron at the G7 in Brussels last Friday"
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scottish-independence-obama-asked-to-intervene-1-3438465

* Project Fear
"Scottish voters and especially the the 177,000 estimated EU citizens that live in Scotland were threatened with expulsion from the EU if we voted Yes in 2014. This was a major factor in securing the NO vote and now we know (as Business for Scotland always said) Scotland’s EU membership was more at risk from voting No in 2014."
http://www.businessforscotland.com/better-togethers-broken-promises-open-the-door-to-independence/

And then of course came the brexit referendum. Now who would meddle in our democracy and warn of dire consequences if we voted the wrong way? Why was it the shermans? Again........

"Barack Obama has warned that the UK would be at the “back of the queue” in any trade deal with the US if the country chose to leave the EU, as he made an emotional plea to Britons to vote for staying in.

The US president used a keenly awaited press conference with David Cameron, held at the Foreign Office, to explain why he had the “temerity to weigh in” over the high-stakes British question in an intervention that delighted remain campaigners"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/22/barack-obama-brexit-uk-back-of-queue-for-trade-talks

So IF the russians did get involved in the presidential election to get their preferred winner they still have a long way to go to beat the shermans. How many nations citizens have used this much trumpeted democracy brought to them after much bloodshed only to see their vote was meaningless because they backed the wrong horse from america?

"According to the study, the U.S. intervened in 81 foreign elections between 1946 and 2000, while the Soviet Union or Russia intervened in 36.["
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 1035
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 5:01:57 AM
Isn't that what the special counsel issupposed to look into?
Even though we do it,........ they do it.......... we all do it.
My question: Suppose they come up with a showing that they did? Then what?
What is supposed to happen then?
What do you people think should be done.........to Russia?

The real goal:
Then they can say that Trump is illegitimate.
They don't really care about the Russian part. It could have been Latvia.
Russia Russia Russia just appears more sinister to the average person.

At least leftists are backing off the whole col!usion thing.

It has gone from

Trump colluded with Russia
To
Members of the Trump team colluded with Russia
To
People Trump knows colluded with Russia
To
People Trump did business with also know Russians
To
A Trump business partner knows someone who did business with a Russian
To
Trump was in a room with a Russian
To
Trump knows someone who was in a room with a Russian
To
?
Did Russia interfere with the election?

All designed to give them an excuse to "resist."


Let's see what they come up with. So far they don't even have as much evidence (which is miniscule and not probitive) that Obama and associates operated and supported a nonprofit that interfered in the election in Israel.

(What is "modhammer" that appears on my screen and then goes away?!
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 1036
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 5:34:38 AM
Trump coal-luded with the coal mining industry by removing environmental regulations.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 1037
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 5:44:24 AM
wait, all the Trumpets who said the Russians did nothing to get Chump into office are now....saying it DID happen? Gosh and golly, they aren't saying, "o0ops, sorry, we were wrong", they're just trying to slide it in like they've been saying it all the time?

that's Hillaryous!

I've said it before, Republicans sound more like liberals every day! How does it feel to finally speak truth instead of deny it instead? Doesn't it just feel so good to stop with the BS and just admit to reality? its freeing, isn't it? Now you understand why the lefties and lib and damn Dems keep telling you the truth, it just feels good to be honest for once.

Even Chump's on the bandwagon!

"Just out: The Obama Administration knew far in advance of November 8th about election meddling by Russia. Did nothing about it. WHY?
8:43 PM - 23 Jun 2017
20,226
20,226 Retweets
64,470
64,470 likes"


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-notes-election-meddling-by-russia-in-tweet-criticizing-obama/ar-BBD5SNo?ocid=spartandhp

Its ok, KJ, you don't have to apologize to those you accused of not telling the truth and jumping to conclusions. they already understand. but boy is it funny to watch people go from, "you fools, it never happened" to "you idiots, of course it happened and you did nothing". Its like a D accusation. and, once again, you trumpets all wonder why you don't get taken seriously, as you go from one accusation to the opposite.

so, what it is? lets get official. Did the Russians have something to do with Chump's election, or he is a liar and should not be trusted?
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 1038
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 6:19:36 AM
Just because you keep saying that Trumpets said that it didn't happen doesn't make it true.

"Show us the money" doesn't mean that they are saying that there is no money.

Let's see the evidence doesn't mean that there is no evidence or that it didn't happen.
It means before you go making all those accusations and plotting demise, show us the evidence.
There may be some, there may not be some.

It means "Show us the evidence."

I could say all day long that gto robbed the U..S. Treasury.
But it doesn't make it true. I can then say, "Well I have evidence but an anonymous source told me and the evidence is classified. " That also doesn't make it true.
I can also begin an investigation.
That doesn't make it true.
Now "Show me the evidence that gto robbed the U.S. Treasury."


But you know that.

Nice rack action, though.

Let's see how far the rack goes now.


What is hysterical is that
if Trump says show me the evidence that Russia interfered, leftists whine
and
if Trump says that the Russians did interfere, leftists whine.

Again, he would be a idiot to testify before Congress or anywhere else.
Just to have the leftists rack his words.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
Joined: 2/14/2009
Msg: 1039
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The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 6:43:12 AM
Trump racks his own words, then changes his tune. He says something in the morning, then something contradictory after noon.

But the slippery devil running our country, is running short on places to hide. As the media, the nation, and his twitter account, are documenting his many lies.
 The_Pearl
Joined: 2/7/2017
Msg: 1040
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 6:59:08 AM
His base won't admit he's just stupid.
Forget about that ever happening....they're proud of that slug....lol.
After all...it's not Hillary is all that matters. Party over country...they don't care.
Like Laughing said....I picture them all lined up clapping like seals at a circus.

Good to see some Republicans in the House with a grain of common sense and won't just let the poor Healthcare bill slide through.
See what they do to get around that....who will be fired or shamed.??
Or what rule will be changed for it to pass.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 1041
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 4:08:50 PM

"Just out: The Obama Administration knew far in advance of November 8th about election meddling by Russia. Did nothing about it. WHY?


Well there you go, he just admitted it.

Up next, he will be planing on seeing how much he can steal before he has to quit.

Either way, this one if for the tRumpettes.


https://i.redd.it/c7lejz7gel5z.jpg
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 1042
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 4:42:46 PM
Evidence is mounting that Russia took 4 clear paths to meddle in the US election
Sonam Sheth and Natasha Bertrand

It was September 2015 when the FBI first noticed that Russian hackers had infiltrated a computer system belonging to the Democratic National Committee.

It was the first sign that Moscow was attempting to meddle in the presidential election.


The first involved establishing personal contact with Americans perceived as sympathetic to Moscow — such as former Defense Intelligence Agency chief Michael Flynn, former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, and early Trump foreign-policy adviser Carter Page — and using them as a means to further Russia's foreign-policy goals.

The second involved hacking the Democratic National Committee email servers and then giving the material to WikiLeaks, which leaked the emails in batches throughout the second half of 2016.

The third was to amplify the propaganda value of the leaked emails with a disinformation campaign waged predominantly on Facebook and Twitter, in an effort to use automated bots to spread fake news and pro-Trump agitprop.

And the fourth was to breach US voting systems in as many as 39 states leading up to the election, in an effort to steal registration data that officials say could be used to target and manipulate voters in future elections.



http://www.businessinsider.com/evidence-russia-meddled-in-us-election-2017-6
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 1043
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 5:38:51 PM
its complimentary to know someone's admiring my rack.

"Good to see some House Republicans with a grain of common sense..."

>>when it comes to getting re-elected, the Republicans know which side their bread is buttered. But don't hand Mitchie a towel just yet, he must have an ace up his sleeve somewhere. And some of those GOP don't like the tax bill posing as a health care bill b/c it doesn't cut Obamacare ENOUGH. they want all traces of government safety net GONE. That's what Mitchie has to offer to a few of them to get them on his side...and that may be enough to lose the moderates. We'll see in the weeks ahead if there is back scratching or arm twisting.

Maybe the GOP should offer in their districts a Dem candidate that can get 48% of the vote, see what the "participation trophy" does to their outlook.
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 1044
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 7:23:14 PM
Ooooh Frank! Based on your posted article and this one....

"Trump: Obama 'did nothing' about Russia election meddling"


http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/23/politics/vladmir-putin-russia-election/index.html


And remember this video clip of Mr. Obama?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/obama-trump-election-rigged-229933



Hmmm.......might be a special council investaging Obama in the near future! Was he colluding with the Russians and Hillary? Is that why he did nothing??? And why wouldn't the DNC let the FBI or DHS look at the computers that were "hacked"?

Or was there no Russia....but a DNC leaker....now deceased....named Seth Rich?


Lots and lots to investigate with the previous administration and the failed presidential candidate. :O
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 1045
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 7:25:02 PM
Ooooh Frank! Based on your posted article and this one....

"Trump: Obama 'did nothing' about Russia election meddling"


http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/23/politics/vladmir-putin-russia-election/index.html


And remember this video clip of Mr. Obama?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/obama-trump-election-rigged-229933



Hmmm.......might be a special council investigating Obama in the near future! Was he colluding with the Russians and Hillary? Is that why he did nothing??? And why wouldn't the DNC let the FBI or DHS look at the computers that were "hacked"?

Or was there no Russia....but a DNC leaker....now deceased....named Seth Rich?


Lots and lots to investigate with the previous administration and the failed presidential candidate. :O
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 1046
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 7:30:19 PM

Or was there no Russia....but a DNC leaker....now deceased....named Seth Rich?


Just in case you missed this, Trump's state channel FoxNews retracted Seth Rich conspiracy theory.


http://www.npr.org/2017/05/24/529809256/fox-news-retracts-dnc-staffer-conspiracy-story-but-hannity-keeps-it-alive
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 1047
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 7:40:50 PM
And?


Are you claiming Fox News to be the only source of true and authentic information? Good to know! ;)



 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 1048
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/24/2017 8:08:57 PM

Are you claiming Fox News to be the only source of true and authentic information? Good to know! ;)


I am claiming that the number one source for right wing conspiracies retracted their Seth Rich story. What part of that insane story don't you understand, do I have to spell it out?

Should I also include a link from Breitbart and InfoWars?
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 1049
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/25/2017 5:58:56 AM
when you have to take the source of your fake news, and throw it under the bus in order to keep your fake news story alive...its best you just admit you got taken in by fake news.

I'm sure if we replace "Russia" with "Benghazi", the Trumpets would have no problem with the investigation. Its a name they just love so much, apparently all bad things come from there.
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 1050
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/25/2017 6:05:22 AM
"Should I also include a link from Breitbart and InfoWars?"


I dunno.....seems a Breitbart investigative story, recently, forced a retraction from #FakeNews propaganda outlet CNN. Looks like we are starting to see more accountability in the media largely due to "alternative" sources and mediums!


"CNN retracts story linking Trump ally Scaramucci to Russian fund"

http://thehill.com/media/339293-cnn-retracts-story-linking-trump-ally-scaramucci-to-russian-fund



That's a good thing, Mr. L2l.....so please stop crying! Sheesh! Might need to change your user name to Loves 2 Cry with all the crying emojis you use. :/
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