Plentyoffish dating forums are a place to meet singles and get dating advice or share dating experiences etc. Hopefully you will all have fun meeting singles and try out this online dating thing... Remember that we are the largest free online dating service, so you will never have to pay a dime to meet your soulmate.
     
Show ALL Forums  > Off Topic  > The biggest threat ever is from Russia because      Home login  
 AUTHOR
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 1101
Comrade Trump is the Lying KingPage 45 of 64    (24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64)

"the Russia thing just a big nothing burger"-----Van Jones

...and so? He's a political commentator on CNN, just like Kayleigh McEnany (s.b. Mc A'Ninny). They have diametrically opposed opinions most times. Neither are supplying facts when spouting OPINIONS. See, for those of you who don't know the difference, here's the definition of both:

o·pin·ion
/əˈpinyən/
noun
noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

fact
/fakt/
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
a thing that is indisputably the case.

Re your Russia fiasco, actual facts will eventually come out, good, bad or indifferent.

This is also a fact about many people and their opinions: It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt. Lincoln must have had a premonition about Trump...
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 1102
Comrade Trump is the Lying King
Posted: 6/28/2017 3:14:40 PM

Btw...lawsuits threatened against the NYT, WaPO, etc ...have also bitten the dust.


And so has the threat by Trump to hire the best prosecutor around to go after Hillary for the hacked emails. The brains behind in the Trump team probably told him it wouldn't be a good idea, because there would be an investigation into who did the hacking and what information was passed on, and to whom. If an investigation showed Trump had anything to do with the hacking and approved it, he would've been up sh1ts creek without a paddle. The chant would've been "Lock him up."

That would be as wise as his threat to sue all of the women who have accused him of molesting them without their consent. As usual, Trump didn't think it through, and it would've been another Bill Cosby case, and just as widely publicized. The damage would've been done before it started. I'm sure Melania and the rest of the Trump clan would be thrilled with that.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 1103
Comrade Trump is the Lying King
Posted: 6/28/2017 3:19:02 PM

If an investigation showed Trump had anything to do with the hacking and approved it, he would've been up sh1ts creek without a paddle. The chant would've been "Lock him up."


^ Exactly !
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 1104
Comrade Trump is the Lying King
Posted: 6/28/2017 5:39:15 PM
In a totally unrelated turn of events, it seem that tRump campaign chief forgot to mention that he had received some 17million from pro Russia groups but surely this just a coincidence.



Trump Campaign Chief’s Firm Got $17 Million From Pro-Russia Party
By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE, MIKE McINTIRE and BARRY MEIERJUNE 27, 2017

Paul Manafort, who was forced out as President Trump’s campaign chairman last summer after five months of infighting and criticism about his business dealings with pro-Russian interests, disclosed Tuesday that his consulting firm had received more than $17 million over two years from a Ukrainian political party with links to the Kremlin.

The filing serves as a retroactive admission that Mr. Manafort performed work in the United States on behalf of a foreign power — Ukraine’s Party of Regions — without disclosing it at the time, as required by law. The Party of Regions is the political base of former President Viktor F. Yanukovych, who fled to Russia during a popular uprising in 2014.

The disclosure hints at the vast fortunes available to top American political consultants plying their trade in other countries.

It was not immediately clear if Mr. Manafort would be required to pay any fines for the late filing. He has maintained that a majority of his work for Mr. Yanukovych was political consulting in Ukraine, where his firm, Davis Manafort International, operated an office at the time.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/us/politics/trump-campaign-chiefs-firm-got-17-million-from-pro-russia-party.html
 HawkingJr
Joined: 4/16/2007
Msg: 1105
view profile
History
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/30/2017 7:20:42 AM
“’the Russia thing just a big nothing burger’-----Van Jones”

Van Jones’ response to unethical conservatives’ misrepresenting and distorting that quote into 100% FAKE NEWS:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/opinions/much-ado-about-nothing-burger-van-jones/index.html

>>>Did I mean that there is "nothing" to the allegations that members of team Trump colluded with the Russians and then tried to cover it up by firing FBI Director James Comey? No -- and far from it.

But that's not what I was talking about. I have been consistently pushing my fellow Democrats to deal with bread and butter issues -- and not just hope and believe Trump will be impeached and gone tomorrow. I have been beating this drum for weeks now.

I said in a recent Twitter chat: "I am glad there is a Russia investigation, and I hope they get to the bottom of it. But I think Democrats are fooling ourselves if we think that something is going to come out of this investigation that is somehow going to end the Trump presidency and make everything better. Unless there is a real smoking gun, which there is probably not, it's just going to be a big old mess. Meanwhile we are not talking about jobs, not talking about poverty, not talking about solutions, not talking about the addiction crisis. Let's talk about our stuff."
In other words, no evidence is going to emerge ("THIS WEEK," soon, or maybe ever) that is powerful enough to force the craven GOP to oust Trump. Too many Democrats see the Russia controversy as some kind of magical "get out of jail free" card. They insist that we will be delivered from our misery -- as soon as the next shoe drops and Trump is impeached.
I understand the appeal of this line of thinking. In fact, I agree with many of the basic points:

* I do think Putin must have something over Trump, because Putin is the only person (besides Ivanka) whom Trump never disses. Given how Trump lashes out at everyone else, that fact alone is fishy.

* I think there probably was collusion by some people in the Trump campaign with Russian operatives.

* I think Trump fired Comey to stop the Russia investigation (which Trump has all but admitted, himself). That's obstruction of justice, in my book.<<<

Unlike Head Cheerleader, I actually agree 100% with Van Jones here. There is almost no level of collusion or obstruction of justice evidence that could come to light that would lead to Republicans impeaching Trump, so this situation is largely a “nothing burger” in that it will end up not accomplishing the BIG thing that the Democrats want. However, keeping up the investigation will undoubtedly accomplish other things, in particular weakening Trump and the Republicans’ grip on Congress, so it’s absolutely imperative not to let up – yet at the same time, they need to be realistic about what the end result will be. Unless he resigns or dies, Trump is going to be the president for the next 4 years, and if either of those things happen, Pence will be president, which is only better in the sense that someone sane will have his finger on the red button, and may be worse since it’s obviously much more likely at this point that Pence would win in 2020 than Trump. So the realistic objective of Democrats with this investigation (besides justice and figuring out how to deal with the next Russian interference) is crippling Trump’s administration and retaking control of Congress in 2018 (though, again, I have no idea where Senator #3 comes from as all Republicans up in 2018 except Heller and Flake are in extremely safe seats – slight exception of Corker, who is suddenly behaving like a moderate over health insurance, since he almost lost to a black guy in 2006, which is unheard of for Tennessee, so despite Corker's 65% in 2012, I wouldn't say he's 100% safe).
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 1106
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/30/2017 8:11:03 AM
Nothing to see here...move along...why not just give tRump a chance:


It’s a curious response to the allegations. For one thing, such cooperation could, in fact, be illegal. For another, have you noticed the rhetorical trajectory?

1. Russia didn’t intervene in the election to help put Donald Trump in power.

2, Well, OK, maybe Russia did intervene in the election to help put Trump in power, but no one from Team Trump was in communications with Putin’s government during Russia’s attack.

3. Well, OK, maybe people from Team Trump were in communications with Putin’s government during Russia’s attack, but no one associated with the campaign colluded with the attackers.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 1107
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/30/2017 9:53:25 AM
"A now-deceased GOP opposition researcher, Peter W. Smith, with ties to ousted National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, contacted hackers in the midst of the 2016 election campaign hoping they had emails hacked from Hillary Clinton’s personal server. That’s according to a Wall Street Journal exposé published Thursday. According to the Journal, Smith explicitly outlined his connection with Flynn in his recruiting emails. In one email, Smith said Flynn’s son, Michael G. Flynn, was helping with the effort. Trump and his administration have long maintained that there is no evidence of collusion between Russian operatives and Trump campaign associates."

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/6/30/headlines/wsj_gop_researcher_sought_clinton_emails_from_russian_hackers

Yikes! That nothing burger is about to choke the Head Cheerleader and his P0m Pom girl! Like, people are going to stop talking about HRC's emails, and focus on how Chump could have possibly gotten elected. James O'Keefe better hurry his butchering editing if he has any chance of his fake news getting out from under this.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 1108
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/30/2017 12:57:54 PM
Is that like Maddow getting Trump's tax return from whoever dug it up?


No problem with either.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 1109
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 6/30/2017 1:18:00 PM

Yikes! That nothing burger is about to choke the Head Cheerleader and his P0m Pom girl! Like, people are going to stop talking about HRC's emails, and focus on how Chump could have possibly gotten elected. James O'Keefe better hurry his butchering editing if he has any chance of his fake news getting out from under this.


In case some people might not know who O'Keefe is:


Who is project veritas?

Project Veritas is a non-profit started by James O'keefe and Polish investor Matthew Tyrmand

In August 2014 Russel Verney became executive director of Project Veritas. Verney chaired the Reform Party from 1995-1999. He stepped down. In 2000 Jack Gargan a close friend of Verney's rival Jesse Ventura was elected to chair the Reform Party.

Hoping to decrease the influence of Ventura, Verney convinced Pat Buchanan to run for the party's presidential nomination in 2000. However, Verney soon became upset with Buchanan's socially conservative positions, explaining that he was attempting to change the party into an "ideologically pure right-wing party." Eventually, the Reform Party split after Verney led a walk-out that protested Pat Buchanan's nomination.

The New York Times ran an article on Verney, discussing how he stayed with one faction of the Reform Party as it continued its decline following Perot's campaigns and the 2000 split. Verney stated that he would eventually leave the party, but that he "would never really leave Ross [Perot]" because, in his words, "I love the man. He's my hero."



From the wiki (James O'keefe)

James Edward O'Keefe is an American conservative political activist. He produces secretly recorded undercover audio and video encounters with figures and workers in academic, governmental and social service organizations, purporting to show abusive or allegedly illegal behavior by employees and/or representatives of those organizations. He has been criticized for editing videos to misrepresent the context of conversations and the subjects' responses, creating the implication that people said or did things they did not....O'Keefe gained support from conservative media and interest groups. In 2009, Andrew Breitbart commissioned him for the option to publish new videos exclusively on BigGovernment.com. In June 2010, O'Keefe formed a 501(c)(3) organization, Project Veritas, with the stated mission to "investigate and expose corruption, dishonesty, self-dealing, waste, fraud and other misconduct.


US–Mexico border-crossing (2014)

In August 2014, O'Keefe dressed up as Osama bin Laden and crossed the US–Mexico border in Texas in both directions to "show that our elected officials were lying to the American people" about border security. The incident was cited by U.S. Senator John McCain in Congressional hearings.


Attempt to solicit voter fraud (2014)

In October 2014 O'Keefe and his two colleagues attempted to bait staffers for Congressman Jared Polis (D-CO) and then-U.S. Senator Mark Udall, as well as independent expenditure organizations, into approving voter fraud, according to several staffers who interacted with O'Keefe and his colleagues. Staffers began photographing O'Keefe's crew and advising them that what they were advocating was illegal; one nonprofit said they contacted police.


Attempted sting of Open Society Foundations (2016)

On March 16, 2016, O'Keefe attempted to call Open Society Foundations under the assumed name of "Victor Kesh", describing himself as attached to "a, uh, foundation"[sic] seeking to "get involved with you and aid what you do in fighting for, um, European values."[sic] O'Keefe forgot to hang up after recording the voicemail, and several more minutes of audio were recorded, revealing that he was attached to Discover the Networks and planning a series of attempts to create embarrassing videos or other recordings of targeted groups.


The Donald J Trump Foundation

donated $10,000 in 2015 during his campaign to Project Veritas. (Jame O'keefe is a Breitbart affiliate, coincidentally he received this donation when Steve Bannon was brought on).
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 1110
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 7/1/2017 7:21:03 AM
The net is getting tighter.


Bannon, Conway named in GOP activist hacker recruitment doc: WSJ

The Rachel Maddow Show 6/30/17

Rachel Maddow relays new reporting from the Wall Street Journal about a long-time Republican operative's effort to recruit hackers, including Russian hackers, to find Hillary Clinton e-mails, and a document listing Donald Trump campaign officials in a recruitment document.

Duration: 2:41


Maddow:

"The Wall Street Journal has just posted this, and they say: In addition to saying he was in contact with Mike Flynn - in this effort, again, to work with Russian hackers to get information on Hillary Clinton - Mr. Smith also circulated a document that listed not just Flynn, but also Steve Bannon, Kellyanne Conway, and Sam Clovis, who is a low-profile but important policy advisor to the Trump campaign. He's now Senior Advisor at the Agricultural Department. In addition to Flynn, Bannon, Conway, and Clovis all mentioned by Peter Smith as people he was in communication with, in contact with, related to this effort to contact the Russian hackers."


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/bannon-conway-named-in-gop-activist-hacker-recruitment-doc-wsj-981115459733
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 1111
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 7/1/2017 12:05:47 PM
Security expert: GOP attempt to find Russian hacked Clinton emails had Trump campaign ties
By Alicia Cohn - 07/01/17 08:23 AM EDT

When a GOP operative with alleged ties to the Trump campaign sought last year to obtain emails missing from Hillary Clinton's private email server, he turned to an independent security expert to help validate them.

That's according to Matt Tait, the CEO and founder of UK-based security consultant firm Capital Alpha Security, who on Friday opened up about the GOP operative's attempts to recruit him last spring.

According to Tait, writing his account for Lawfare, he strongly believed that not only was the operative, Peter Smith, communicating with Russian hackers, but his operation was formed with the "blessing" of at least some members of now-President Trump's campaign.

...Former FBI Director James Comey said last year in his recommendation against prosecuting Clinton that the private server did not appear to have been hacked.

Since the timing of the events Tait alleges, Flynn was forced to resign as Trump’s national security adviser in February amid revelations that he misled Vice President Pence and other White House officials about his conversations with Russia’s ambassador to the U.S.

An ongoing FBI probe into whether Russia attempted to hack the 2016 presidential election exists, as well as investigations into whether members of Trump's campaign colluded with the Kremlin.



http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/340345-security-expert-gop-attempt-to-find-russian-hacked-clinton-emails
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 1112
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 7/1/2017 1:11:27 PM
aw goodness, some of the trumpets here are going to not like Rachel Maddow and her "nothing burger".
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 1113
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 7/1/2017 1:44:09 PM
#1107


So the realistic objective of Democrats with this investigation is crippling Trump’s administration and retaking control of Congress in 2018 (though, again, I have no idea where Senator #3 comes from as all Republicans up in 2018 except Heller and Flake are in extremely safe seats


Not if they pull the plug on Obamacare completely...and leave 1000's of pple in the red states high & dry.

This is what the Dems have to hope for (rather than this ongoing investigation ), because that could be the "straw" that will break the back of the red-state GOP voters
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 1114
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 7/1/2017 5:25:13 PM

some of the trumpets here are going to not like Rachel Maddow and her "nothing burger".


That "nothing burger" seems to have left some curlies on the lips of those radical conservatives :)))
 N2U16
Joined: 9/25/2016
Msg: 1115
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 7/1/2017 9:07:43 PM
BWAAAA!

https://steemit.com/politics/@verydicey/meme-magic-raise-your-hand-if-you-re-under-investigation
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 1116
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 7/2/2017 4:29:14 AM
I read an article on Yahoo about Trump tweets.

In the comment section some leftist ranted on and on and on about stupid people voting for Trump, idiots who support Trump, threatening violent "resistance," using gutter and bathroom references, claiming all Trump supporters were uneducated inbreds, making low class sexual act innuendo to describe Trump supporters, and all around vileness stuffed with anger.

Then at the very end, the leftist innocently asked, "Why would anyone vote for Trump?."


One response was,

"Because of people like you."


Simple, direct. Funny. Says a lot.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 1117
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 7/2/2017 4:40:53 AM

Yeah, but the "stupid people", and the "idiots who support Trump" seem to like Trump's "using gutter references, low class sexual act innuendo and all round vileness",
Or they just ignore it, like you try to.

Why can't you admit that having someone who is clearly so stupid, can't ever be good for your country.
He's in charge Dee, and he's as thick as shit.
You don't have to be "clever", to see that.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 1118
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 7/2/2017 5:25:36 AM
I ignore what he does? Did you read what I posted?
Selective reading problem.

Peronally, i am very glad that hillary didn't get a supreme court appointment. I am satisfied that immigration laws are being enforced in ernest (i can tell because illegsls complain and leftists deny it) and border security is improving, that we are out of ttp , etc.
You may not be but that is fine.
To each his opinion.

Trumpets look at it as you punch, you get punched back. Don't punch if you can't take a punch back. You secretly record people, you never know what you will get. The president is not above the law and is not prohibited from puncing back. Again, he coukd be more circumspect but then he wouldn't be Trump.

You people are the type who lie and call your neighbor a prostitute because you want her apartment.
If she ignored you, you would say it must be true.
If she responds, you say how terrible, she is too defensive and must be guilty.

If pigs in the gutter - media, politicisns like schumer, comedisns -pull you and attack you in the mud you get to use the mud in response. Don't wallow in the mud and don't fight with the boys, mika, if you can't handle the response.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 1119
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 7/2/2017 5:33:02 AM
So people who hate lowbrow commentary, voted for a racist misogynist who engages in lowbrow commentary b/c of other people who engage in lowbrow commentary? That doesn't sound like simple, direct, funny, it sounds...stupid. or maybe they just love the racism and misogyny, b/c it sounds so much like what they say but they just don't want to admit to it. Like people who claim they don't swear much in their daily language, and then get shocked when they are videotaped and actually hear themselves.

It is funny, Trumpets talk about punching back...and that's what Morning Joe is doing, so why do they whine so much about it? They want to see violence, and Morning Joe is sure giving Chump the punchback he says he wants. So why does he keep texting about it? Its like...punching back doesn't work, somehow. it just creates more punching.

"You secretly record people, you never know what you will get."

>>>When you're Chump and you threaten Comey with fake recordings, what you get is...embarrassed. Again, its just Hillaryous that when it comes to bullying, Chump sucks at it when he bumps into someone who punches back. He's got nothing. Just what you want to see in a CINC, all bluff and bluster.

meanwhile, how's Chump helping the voting process?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/experts-warn-voter-fraud-panel-data-request-could-lead-to-hacks-report/ar-BBDxhdJ?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

wow...wouldn't that be ironic if he helped the Russians hack easier?

a doctor shot up a NY hospital and someone shot up a nightclub down in Atlanta. Boy, that border security sure is helping prevent that.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 1120
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 7/2/2017 6:36:26 AM
That was very convoluted, gto. You are the master there. Not based in reality or what anyine actually wrote but you are good.

The fact that you people keep calling people stupid means that you feel inferior since the hillary loss. It was a blow to the ego and you people are struggling to regain self esteem.

When I know that I am the smartest persin in the room, I don't have to call everyone else stupid.

Is anyone complaining about Joe responding to Trump? I only hear people whining about Trump responding. It's a slugfest now. No holds barred.
Again, respond to things that people actually write, not projections.


If "you better hope there are not recordings" is a threat then you people really can melt easily.

If Trump is not looking into election fraud you whine and when he does you whine.

Exactly, below. You never know, just like with van jones confessing.

 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 1121
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 7/2/2017 6:38:25 AM
Msg: 1101
"the Russia thing just a big nothing burger"-----Van Jones





Van Jones Responds to LEAKED Video of Him Saying Trump-Russia is a Nothing-Burger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyqs5ikBjQE




Msg: 1121
a doctor shot up a NY hospital and someone shot up a nightclub down in Atlanta. Boy, that border security sure is helping prevent that.


Bamboozled again! "President Trump made it clear in his first week in office that he plans to crack down on crime and the “American carnage” plaguing “inner cities.” In fact, this was a recurring topic throughout his campaign, and a major theme of his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention."
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 1122
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 7/2/2017 7:19:29 AM

! "President Trump made it clear in his first week in office that he plans to crack down on crime and the “American carnage” plaguing “inner cities.”


It looks like that plan is going as well as his plan to defeat ISIS within 30 days of taking office.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 1123
The biggest threat ever is from Russia because
Posted: 7/2/2017 8:47:17 AM

a doctor shot up a NY hospital and someone shot up a nightclub down in Atlanta. Boy, that border security sure is helping prevent that.


Shhh, do not point out facts to the dummies as they might get mad and elected another dummy.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 1124
Russia.russia russia
Posted: 7/5/2017 3:54:34 AM
"""""While the momentum behind the Russia-election-meddling story chugs along, the claim that sparked the entire drama — that Russians hacked the Democratic National Committee — appears to have suffered a big blow. Does anybody care?

The Russia connection was first made by a private cybersecurity firm whose work has been treated as unassailable — until last week, when it had to rewrite and retract statements made to support that claim.

To understand what happened and why it is significant requires going through a brief timeline of events.

Back in June 2016, the DNC hired a private cybersecurity firm called CrowdStrike to determine who had hacked into their servers and absconded with emails — often embarrassing — that later got released to the public by WikiLeaks. CrowdStrike said Russia was behind the hack.

In July, intelligence agencies followed up, telling the White House that they had "high confidence" that Russia was behind the hack.

However, it turns out that they never had direct access to the DNC's hacked computer servers. The FBI said it repeatedly requested access and the DNC denied it to them, according to The Hill.

A source told The Hill that, as a result of this lack of access, "the FBI had no choice but to rely upon a third party for information."

The problem is that the evidence provided by CrowdStrike as proof that Russia was behind the hack had some experts scratching their heads, including the fact that the supposedly super-sophisticated hackers left so many clues pointing to Russia.

As Sam Biddle put it in December article for the liberal-leaning Intercept, "it's very hard to buy the argument that the Democrats were hacked by one of the most sophisticated, diabolical foreign intelligence services in history, and that we know this because they screwed up over and over again."

However, on Dec. 22, CrowdStrike announced what appeared to be definitive evidence that the hackers who broke into the DNC servers were part of Russia's military intelligence unit, called the GRU.

The Washington Post reported — in a story headlined "Cybersecurity Firm Finds Evidence That Russian Military Unit Was Behind DNC Hack" — that "CrowdStrike linked malware used in the DNC intrusion to malware used to hack and track an Android phone app used by the Ukrainian army in its battle against pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine from late 2014 through 2016."

The story quotes CrowdStrike co-founder Dmitri Alperovitch as saying that because of this finding, "we have high confidence" that the GRU was behind the DNC hack.

The CrowdStrike report said that, clear evidence of the hack was the fact that "Ukrainian artillery forces have lost over 50% of their weapons in the 2 years of conflict and over 80% of D-30 howitzers, the highest percentage of loss of any other artillery pieces in Ukraine's arsenal."

But on March 21, the Voice of America reported that the 80%-loss claim was bogus, and that CrowdStrike had misread data from a British think tank, the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

Just four days later, CrowdStrike "revised and retracted statements it used to buttress claims of Russian hacking during last year's American presidential election campaign," the VOA reported.

In addition to removing the 80%-loss claim, it deleted a line that said "deployment of this malware-infected application may have contributed to the high-loss nature of (the howitzers)."

CrowdStrike said the revisions don't gainsay the claim that Russia hacked the Ukrainian Army. But the VOA notes that "Ukraine's Ministry of Defense also has stated that the combat losses and hacking never happened."

As the VOA makes clear: "The challenges to CrowdStrike's credibility are significant because the firm was the first to link last year's hacks of Democratic Party computers to Russian actors, and because CrowdStrike co-founder Dimitri Alperovitch has trumpeted its Ukraine report as more evidence of Russian election tampering."

So what are we left with? A claim that Russia hacked the DNC, based heavily on an organization whose credibility is now being called into question.""""""

Is there any other evidence?

If gto/LOLTrump hack into an election in Japan, is the USA responsible?
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 1125
Russia.russia russia
Posted: 7/5/2017 5:23:23 AM
"But on March 21, the Voice of America reported that the 80%-loss claim was bogus, and that CrowdStrike had misread data from a British think tank, the International Institute for Strategic Studies."

>>>interesting point. And here's a counterpoint:

"For her part, Bennett doesn’t sound optimistic about the agency’s future. “The best we can say right now is that the Voice of America is and has been an independent news organization,” she says. “That is in the law, that is the way we operate, and that’s the way we hope to continue to operate.” But now, critics fear, the VOA may become little more than the Voice of Trump. Just as Vladimir Putin has his own TV network in Russia Today and ISIS has turned social media into a viral propaganda machine, Trump may have finally found a news outlet whose coverage of him he can personally control."

https://newrepublic.com/article/141707/will-voice-america-become-voice-trump

not that Chump would have a reason to bail out Russia...or maybe he does.

which is why we investigate.

To quote Sam Biddle in his article:

"Unfortunately for us, it appears virtually anything new and interesting was removed in the redaction process, leaving us without the conclusive, technical evidence we were hoping for — and that the American people are owed. Failing a last minute change of heart, the next best (and perhaps last) hope for the government to show us its work would be a formal, bipartisan probe."
"We don’t even get an allusion to NSA SIGINT, or a brief reference to the existence of more evidence — the report is all confidence, no justification. That confidence and consensus has meaning on its own — and, certainly, the claims are serious — but it is no substitute for some public understanding of what caused that confidence."

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/06/underwhelming-intel-report-shows-need-for-congressional-investigation-of-dnc-hack/

so, even Biddle says there's a lack of evidence, pro or con. And thus the jury is not in yet. now, if amazingly, obviously intelligent people like this gto chap or LOLTrump were to hack into something and were sponsored by a government or had otherwise received help/aid/leadership...then yes, that government is responsible for what its contractors do.
Show ALL Forums  > Off Topic  > The biggest threat ever is from Russia because