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Who is Stockman and his whole argument is based on nonsense.

The shutdown was used by Schumer as leverage and to garner the base but it failed. It failed because President Trump and the Republicans are on record as saying many times they want a solution for the DACA kids (adults now) who were brought here illegally. The President Obama Executive Order was no solution and President Trump did the right thing by sending it back to Congress.

There never was going to be a deportation as you say that is just sheer nonsense.
If that rider to the CR had included money for the Wall and and end to chain migration and a merit based immigration (like Canada) plan then a deal would have been struck and the DACA kids would have been allowed to stay.

As it is now DACA will still be fixed and ultimately the Republican needs will also.

Funny though that after 8 years of doubling the US debt now Dems are all of a sudden demanding reductions.
btw - what is the cost of DACA?

Entertaining isn't it.
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Msg: 4377
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Posted: 1/22/2018 1:29:43 PM
From Forbes October 2017:

"The U.S. Treasury Department reported last Friday that the federal budget deficit
for the just-completed fiscal year had risen by $80 billion over fiscal 2016 to the
ominous-sounding $666 billion, a number many people think is an omen for the
coming of the devil or anti-Christ.

In this case they may be right: The spending and taxing policies about to be put in
place by the Trump administration and the Republican-controlled Congress will
balloon the federal deficit to $1 trillion or more every year going forward.
And unlike the four consecutive $1 trillion deficits recorded during the first years of
the Obama administration, these trillion dollar annual deficits will be the result of
enacted changes in federal spending and taxing rather than on a temporary
economic downturn. Some of these changes will be permanent. Others will need to
be reapproved annually but are unlikely to be rejected in the future.
As a result, the Trump/GOP-supported $1 trillion budget deficits are the new
normal .

Here's how the annual $1 trillion budget deficits will happen.
In July, the Congressional Budget Office projected (Table 1) that the Trump fiscal
2018 budget will result in an average annual deficit of about $677 billion between
2018 and 2022. But that took the Trump budget proposals at face value and
assumed Congress would agree to all the spending cuts proposed by the White
House, something that the House and Senate have already shown no interest in
doing. That makes the average annual baseline deficit over the next five years closer
to $750 billion.

While the White House and its congressional supporters insist the tax cut the House
and Senate will consider in the next month or so will eventually pay for itself with
much higher economic growth rates, the congressional budget resolution passed by
the Senate late last Thursday (and highly likely to be accepted by the House)
assumes that the deficit will increase by about $150 billion a year over the next 10
years. Nonpartisan analyses show that the deficit will increase by an average of
between $220 billion and $240 billion between 2018 and 2027 and even more
thereafter. An average of the three estimates results in about a $200 billion increase
in the budget deficit for each of the next five years.
That will make the annual deficit around $940 billion."
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Posted: 1/22/2018 1:31:41 PM

Who is Stockman and his whole argument is based on nonsense.

ROFLMAO. This is maybe the funniest thing you have said yet DD. Man, it is rare when I actually laugh out loud at things said on this board.
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Posted: 1/22/2018 1:34:02 PM

America is Bankrupt and Republicans Couldn’t Care Less
These poseurs of fiscal responsibility are about to drive up debt to its highest levels since World War II.
By DOUG BANDOW • January 19, 2018

Credit: langdu/Shutterstock
The United States is effectively bankrupt, but that doesn’t matter to the GOP. Once evangelists of fiscal responsibility and scourges of deficit spending, Republicans today glory in spilling red ink. The national debt is now $20.6 trillion, greater than the annual GDP of about $19.5 trillion. Alas, with Republicans at the helm, deficits are set to continue racing upwards, apparently without end.

This flood of red ink will increase. Last year the Congressional Budget Office figured the U.S. was going to again run trillion dollar deficits around 2022. An extra $10 trillion would be added to the deficit over the following decade.

But under Republican fiscal “stewardship,” analysts now believe the deficit could hit a trillion dollars next year. Why? Congress relaxed the sequester, eliminating its modest pressure for fiscal responsibility, and approved disaster relief, without making any corresponding spending cuts. Legislators also inflated military outlays, even though much of the Pentagon budget constitutes defense welfare, subsidies for prosperous and populous allies.

Even after the most optimistic accounting for the impact of increased economic growth, the tax bill will still add $500 billion to $1 trillion to the deficit over the coming decade. (In fact, those estimates probably understate the final cost since Congress is likely to extend provisions set to sunset in order to meet Senate budget rules.) If the president and Congress come up with an infrastructure bill, even more red ink will flow. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget predicts deficits of $1.05 trillion and $1.1 trillion in 2019 and 2020, respectively.

Welcome to modern Republican budgeting. Complained Congressman Walter Jones, the North Carolina Republican who has become a GOP dissident of sorts: “At the time I joined, the Republican Party was very outspoken about the debt of the nation. …I look at where we are as a nation now, and the Republican Party doesn’t stand for less government and less spending. It spends like no tomorrow.” Congressman Justin Amash, Republican of Michigan, was equally critical, telling Reason’s Matt Welch: “It’s looking as bad as any time I’ve seen I’ve been in Congress.” Legislators, Amash says, continue “to move in the wrong direction.”

The last time the deficit ran this high was 2012, part of a four-year, trillion-dollar-plus spending run in the aftermath of the financial crisis and ensuing bailout tsunami. This time Washington is breaching the trillion dollar barrier during seemingly good economic times.

Last year’s CBO assessment was sobering enough. Deficits were to rise due to accelerating Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid spending and rising interest costs on the growing debt, “accompanied by only moderate growth in revenue collections,” which will be even more moderate due to the tax cuts that took effect on January 1. Added the CBO: “Those accumulating deficits would drive up debt held by the public from its already high level to its highest percentage of gross domestic product (GDP) since shortly after World War II.” Which constituted genuinely unique circumstances, the worst conflict in modern human history, requiring an enormous financial commitment by the Greatest Generation, who borrowed money to, well, save the world.

Alas, the projected numbers continually worsen. Last June, the CBO offered its updated estimate, which figured greater deficits and debt since just six months before. Now those numbers will be higher, though the agency has yet to release its estimates. The years beyond look even bleaker.

The CBO focuses on debt held by the public, excluding that nominally “borrowed” by the Treasury Department from the Social Security Administration (which represents unfunded but not legally vested future liabilities). Using this calculus, the CBO warned: “As deficits accumulate in CBO’s baseline, debt held by the public rises from 77 percent of GDP ($15 trillion) at the end of 2017 to 91 percent of GDP ($26 trillion) by 2027. At that level, debt held by the public would be the largest since 1947 and more than twice the average over the past five decades in relation to GDP.”

That, however, is just the start. The agency continued: “Beyond the 10-year period, if current laws remained in place, the pressures that are projected to contribute to rising deficits during the baseline period would accelerate and push debt up even more sharply. Three decades from now, for instance, debt held by the public is projected to be nearly twice as high, relative to GDP, as it is this year—a higher percentage than any previously recorded in the nation’s history.”

Such a red ink tsunami likely would result in all sorts of fun. The agency pointed to much greater interest costs; not only will the amount of debt rise, but rates likely will climb as the Federal Reserve continues to step back from a decade of loose monetary policy. Former federal budget director David Stockman figures that the Fed will be dumping some $2 trillion of bonds that it accumulated to stimulate the economy. Over the next decade the CBO predicts that total interest payments will rise from about $300 billion to $800 billion, making it one of the largest federal “programs.” Indeed, that is more than the CBO expects the Pentagon to spend.

By reducing total saving, federal borrowing would result in a smaller capital stock. Thus, “productivity and total wages would be lower,” which means less economic growth, smaller taxable incomes, and less tax revenues. Washington would have to tax or borrow more, while people would earn less and have to pay more to government.

Finally, warned the CBO, “the likelihood of a fiscal crisis in the United States would increase. There would be a greater risk that investors would become unwilling to finance the government’s borrowing unless they were compensated with very high interest rates. If that happened, interest rates on federal debt would rise suddenly and sharply.” Imagine a repeat of 2008, when the president and Congress borrowed wildly to bail out most every failed institution. Only this time it would come at a much higher cost, likely to create a fiscal crisis when the bills came due.

Yet neither Democrats nor Republicans demonstrate the slightest concern about the fiscal cliff over which they are taking the nation. Once it was possible to believe in the theory of “starving the beast”: deny Uncle Sam revenue and he would have to spend less. But legislators quickly worked around that, funding their priorities through borrowed funds.

Democrats want more money to spend so they naturally prefer increased revenues. However, tax cuts create no barrier for them, as they cheerfully embrace deficits as “stimulating the economy.” They’ll spend as much as possible at whatever level of debt.

Congressional Republicans prefer to spend while pretending to be fiscal hawks. They want to cut outlays in general but few programs in particular. The president likes and defends the expansive entitlement programs that threaten to bust the budget. Almost every other federal program has at least some GOP backing. Military hawks are the worst, pushing to bury the Pentagon in cash in order to subsidize wealthy allies, fix failed states, and join other nations’ foolish wars.

Ironically, fiscal responsibility appears most likely with divided government. Argued Amash of rising spending: “I think this tends to happen when one party has full control of government. That party starts to go on a spending spree, and stops worrying about the debt and deficits.” The best hope may be when congressional Republicans hold the purse strings and have a partisan reason to limit the executive branch. Even then, though, at best the inexorable rise of federal outlays slows. It has been a half century since Uncle Sam’s allowance was actually cut.

Of course, better economic growth, spurred by both deregulation and tax cuts, should help ameliorate the impact of increased debt. But slowing the deficit increase is not enough. The U.S. will still be heading into the same abyss, only at a slightly slower speed.

The federal budget is a bit like North Korea: there is no obvious answer. Since any response is immediately painful while the threat looms far in the future, politicians across the political spectrum prefer to leave the problem to their successors. Today’s profiles in courage simply hope to finish their terms before catastrophe arrives. The American people are and will always be the losers.

Washington is filled with partisan battles these days. But rarely are they fought over the most important issues, such as a promiscuously interventionist foreign policy and recklessly spendthrift fiscal policy. Republicans should stop play-acting as fiscal conservatives. They should start living up to their rhetoric—or admit that they are little more than Democrats Lite when it comes to fiscal responsibility.

Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute. A former special assistant to President Ronald Reagan, he is author of Foreign Follies: America’s New Global Empire.
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Posted: 1/22/2018 1:47:19 PM

Who is Stockman

Reagan's Budget Director, David A. Stockman.

In order to maintain the highest quality forums you are restricted to having no more then 2 of the last 10 posts on a thread.
Since 2 of the last 10 posts are yours you can not post to this thread.
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Posted: 1/22/2018 2:16:04 PM
so, if you really, really wanna believe that the economy took a dive under Obama, then you just gotta admit Cruz' s shutdown that cost the economy $24 billion sure didn't help out:

or you have to pretend the Republicants had nothing to do with that and so things were ok after all. If you wish to believe Obama was increasing the deportion numbers, as Caliope says, then you can't claim the Great Obama is weak on deporting and that's why the economy was bad. So, that really screws two of the Republicants favorite arguments, that Obama was bad for the economy and Republicants are great, and that Obama let immigration go and he's responsible for it.

its just so hard to argue against reality and live in a Republicant fantasy world. its trying to make oil and water mix.

meanwhile, the woman's march this weekend still has the same problem--a majority of white women voted for Chump and Moore, causing the very problem their sisters are marching on. Black votes sunk Moore. But how many sisters of color feel included in the woman's march?

too damned few, that's how many:

"With 53 percent of White women voters casting their ballots for President Trump, it’s perplexing to see a hand in sisterhood offered. Even though Hillary Clinton failed to secure the vote of White women, those numbers confirm that the majority somehow favored the reality star-misogynist who boasted about sexual assault. Historically, racism has been a pertinent factor among White feminists. Women who are members of multiple minority groups—namely Black, Latino, Asian, single, and LGBTQ women—are more likely to have an “inclusive” gender-political consciousness, because they are more accustomed to other forms of discrimination, like racism or xenophobia
The failure to practice the concept of intersectionality in the oppression of women has been discussed for decades. Taylor Aldridge, co-founding Editor of Arts.Black, expresses her concern with the current call to action.
“I consider this reflective of a longer tension between Black civil rights movements and feminist movements primarily led by mostly White women. Members from the Suffrage movement in particular were explicit in prioritizing the rights of White women rather that for the greater human kind — and they were especially not interested in compromising their rights to protest for Black Americans,” she explains. “With this history, it’s challenging to be optimistic about this proposed intersection now.”

you've got a long way to go
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Posted: 1/22/2018 2:26:39 PM
“It would be so nice if issues and opinion and policy were simply debated her. It's the other crap that gets tiresome. I guess some, like living in a world where only those who they agree with are aloud to opine. Me, I appreciate vigorous debate with out insult or misogyny.”

Have you no sense of irony, man? You’re seriously going to complain about insults and misogyny, then praise Donald J. Trump? I thought only dee was capable of doing something that mind-blowingly hypocritical. YOU CANNOT SUPPORT THE KING OF INSULTING MISOGYNISTS AND THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT BEING CALLED NAMES. *Trump* dragged political discourse this deep into the gutter. Furthermore, you should really spend more time in the comments sections of conservative websites like Newsmax, Fox News and Breitbart, or, hell, Yahoo, if you want to see conservative Trump supporters spewing the most vile venom toward their enemies you’ve ever come across. Good God man – maybe you oughta look at some of your own posts. And KJ is no damsel in distress or Pollyanna wannabe – she’s the queen of racist code language (like we can’t translate) – she’s probably next in line for Ann Culter’s, Laura Ingraham’s or Tomi Lahren’s throne. (None of this is to say I think anyone deserves to have his/her profile deleted and I’ve never reported anyone for anything.)

“I respectfully disagree with you on how DACA should have been resolved. Using the children as political footballs to gain the sympathy of the public...allowing the stress and strain and unknowing of what is coming down the pike...just not at all fair or decent for an advanced country to subject its residents to that kind of treatment. If anything, the Dems should have take a stand sooner.”

I wish it wasn’t so, but it is what it is – I mean, after all that, we ended up right where we were going to be if there hadn’t been a bad optics shutdown: kicking the can further down the road, so now the stress and strain of unknowing what’s coming down the pike remains unchanged. What do you think’s going to happen on February 8? Not much. Because that still leaves 4 weeks to save them, and McConnell’s going to claim what was attributed to him in the deal was “twisted” so he’s not reneging. There are unquestionably enough votes in both houses to save DACA with almost no concessions except maybe a little extra border security, but neither McConnell nor Ryan wants to be involved with passing a bill that Trump vetoes, and with hardliners like Miller in his ear, he will veto anything that’s not completely reactionary and sets our country back 200 years. It’s just not a winnable situation. Bad things are going to happen one way or the other. The only question is will the Democrats be in a position of power a year from now to attempt to reverse some of those bad things, and I don’t think this episode was helpful in that cause.

“There never was going to be a deportation as you say that is just sheer nonsense.”

Trump is CURRENTLY deporting Dreamers. What makes you think he won’t be deporting as many as he can come March if there is no legislation on the matter (and I think the odds are pretty good there won’t be)? Trump is on record for saying a lot of things, many of them lies, many of them contradictions. He is HIGHLY untrustworthy, even to his supposed Republican colleagues. Even now, he’s talking privately about signing a bill that would only include funding for the wall to save the DACA kids and skip all that chain migration/VISA stuff, which is barely related to DACA to begin with since it deals with legal immigration, because the only thing he really campaigned on was the wall, and if he does sign such a thing, the hardliners (like yourself – although you’re Canadian so I’m not sure why you care) would consider THAT a betrayal.
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Posted: 1/22/2018 3:09:05 PM

But how many sisters of color feel included in the woman's march?

WHAT color?

You quoted articles containing the opinion of one black woman written BEFORE the 2018 Women's March even occurred. One article was written BEFORE the 2017 March, which occurred 21 Jan 2017.

MALIKA MICHAUD January 20, 2017

What value is a prediction AFTER an event? Why not use actuals? I was standing by other women of NA descent. There were even some ethnic groups that held post-March cookouts, etc. Yes, there will always be those that have their own interests at heart, and the issue of "White Female privilege" is old news. But, why would you use articles published before the Women's March to predict an unsatisfactory outcome, when the March has since occurred?

I saw plenty of women of color, including black (is that what you meant by "sisters"?). Spoiler alert ... rare to see a female Trump supporter. Why do you think the event was organized?

By the way, White Women, according to exit polls, have historically backed Republicans over Democrats. 56% of White Women voted for Romney, yet it dropped to 52% for Trump.

So weird.

P.S. What did you see/experience at your local Women's March? Or are you merely a Monday morning White Male quarterback who feels a bond with "sisters of color" and just needs to hate a little on those of us who are trying to actually get out and DO something.

I get it ... you need to denigrate the March because you feel like a "sister" trapped in a White Man's body ... emmarite?
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Posted: 1/22/2018 3:31:40 PM
I did quote an article from last year, and linked to one from this year to show the amount of "change"....but I couldn't copy and paste a few paragraphs from the page of this year's article, under "towards a more inclusive Woman's March on Washington", before my 15 minutes to edit ran out. This happens to me with some pages that glow orange in my top header...must be a video running someplace on that page that prevents copy and paste, i'm computer illegitimate, what can I say.

anyhoo, the point stands by itself. A majority of white women in America voted for two men they claim represent their oppressors. If marching white women want to see change, they will have to begin "at home", with their neighbors and their social contacts who support these candidates. Women who are marching, should talk to those who supported these candidates, and find out why. They may learn about issues they themselves are not covering. They may learn something new. I listen to Trump supporters here and elsewhere. I think they are wrong on many points, but still, I learn where their head is at, and what subjects need to be dealt with if we're going to stop the divisiveness. Meanwhile, there are "women of color" who kept Moore out, and yet feel they are not having their issues dealt with by the march.

so, if the march wants to accomplish may very well need to address these two issues. and i'm not the only one pointing this out.
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Posted: 1/22/2018 3:47:42 PM
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Posted: 1/22/2018 4:00:09 PM
Do you think the White Women who voted for Trump are the same ones who came to the Women's March?

A majority of white women in America voted for two men they claim represent their oppressors.

If marching white women

Don't you get it?
These are two different groups.

Last year, Alicia Garza, one of the co-founders of the Black Lives Matter movement, wrote an essay last year on why she had conflicted feelings as a black woman on attending the march.

“I’d had enough before it even began,” she said. “53 percent of white women who voted in the 2016 presidential election did so for a man who aims to move society backward. Where were all of these white people while our people are being killed in the streets, jobless, homeless, over-incarcerated, undereducated?”

Garza decided to attend last year and will speak at this year’s gathering alongside other speakers like political commentator Melissa Harris-Perry. Garza told Newsweek she changed her stance on the march after witnessing internally how the organizers “courageously” took on the question of race inside the organization.

This year, Garza said she is ready to commemorate what was an “incredibly powerful” mobilization of women and allies around the world

“I am really excited that the march is committed to making sure that it not just a moment,” she said.

Many of the concerns you attempted to raise were identified and addressed LAST year.

Here is what the 2017 March was like in D.C.:

Do tell us what you saw.

Also, telling us "you've got a long way to go" is very ignorant and insulting. Then again, I must consider the source.
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Posted: 1/22/2018 4:39:40 PM
Imagine that "Stockman excerpt..." meant a quote from David Stockman who served 30 years ago in the Reagan Admin.
Gee, could you get any more obscure than him today? Just for good measure perhaps you would like to quote Robert Reich who is not an economist but only plays one on TV!
The funny thing is you've probably never said a good thing about the Reagan admin and now you quote them.

But back to President Trump and a little more relevance. It is funny that libs are all of a sudden worried about the deficit and debt after the debt nearly doubled under President Obama. In fact President Obama at $9 trillion just about added as much debt as all the other Presidents combined.

Schumer ultimately accepted basically the same deal he was offered Friday night so the cost of closing the Gov for the "Schumer Shutdown" was a complete waste of money.

Gee maybe you could check the "Stockman excerpt" for that cost analysis.
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Posted: 1/22/2018 4:53:02 PM

Schumer ultimately accepted basically the same deal he was offered Friday

No he didn't..... you worthless wanker!

Schumer got a pledge from McConnell (by way of Lindsey graham) that the DACA matter would be addressed and that if they go back on their promise the we could have the same thing happen again on Feb 8th
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Posted: 1/22/2018 5:01:47 PM
Trump not crazy, he is just terrible person.
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Posted: 1/22/2018 5:54:41 PM
You people kill me.


A lot of black women thought the March pointless and a white woman issue.
Well, then there are those who want to keep their jobs with leftist white organizations or sources of funds, who want to "fit in" and those who just do not want to argue with cursing, vile leftists.

You can find discussions of or articles about each type on the internet if you want to know reality.

All black women are not leftist Dem and leftist followers.

Wow. Black people voted for the Dems in Alabama. (psst. Not new or extraordinary)

That you people think that what you claim Trump says and how has some bearing on how we address one another here is really ridiculous... wait.... wait. . .maybe all you foul mouthed ad hominem kings and queens are actually closet Trump supporters ( since you accuse Trump of that), using your logic.
Again, using your logic.


You people kill me.

How many curse words did Trump say publically in the last year?

You people kill me.


So Trump won this budget battle.

Red state Dem Senators may hear from their constituents now. Are there ten?
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Posted: 1/22/2018 7:36:29 PM
Listening to Mary Ann Conway yap away non stop on CNN...if I were married to that woman, I would put a bullet in my head.
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Posted: 1/23/2018 4:14:18 AM
Someone's going to make Ll's list.

Meanwhile back to the subject....

"Global growth forecasts for 2018 and 2019 have both been revised upward by 0.2 percentage points to 3.9 percent.

"The revision reflects increased global growth momentum and the expected impact of the recently approved U.S. tax policy changes," the IMF said in its World Economic Outlook report"

Fixing the world one country at a time.
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Posted: 1/23/2018 6:16:38 AM
"Also, telling us "you've got a long way to go" is very ignorant and insulting."

>>>so is "KJ must have been deleted b/c women are threatened by her looks". Makes women seem so shallow. But hey, I considered the source.

as for Double's article, it is interesting. I could pull a D and quote all the times it said "maybe" and "perhaps" and claim that it isn't saying anything definite. I could pull a Tea Party talking point and mention that Davos and the IMF are part of the New World Order and don't trust the Trilateralists and the Bilderbergers.

But, yes, the global economy is going up, now that the PIGS have straightened themselves out, and the EU and the Brits are separated and the dust is settling. That, as I've pointed out before, is one reason why the American economy has continued its growth started under Obama, when the mortgage crisis was being settled out. The first paragraph of the article claims:

" saying the revision is partly down to the recently approved overhaul of the U.S. tax system under President Donald Trump."

Maybe they meant "due" rather than "down", or it was a Freudian slip :) But how does tax policy in America make the world have a better economy? The world has to have money to buy things first, then we up our production to match demand. They are putting the cart before the horse, for some reason.

"although its critics believe it will add $1.5 trillion to the U.S. deficit and would increase the wealth gap between rich and poor."

Deficit and wealth gap? Well, that's not going to help much in the long run, is it?

"However, it noted that "due to the temporary nature of some of its provisions, the tax policy package is projected to lower growth for a few years from 2022 onwards."


"Looking at the global economy, the Fund noted that "global economic activity continues to firm up" and is estimated to have grown by 3.7 percent in 2017"

>>>But the tax plan didn't happen until a few weeks ago! How did such a miracle occur over a few weeks?

""Global growth has been accelerating since 2016 and all signs point to a continuous strengthening of that growth this year and next year," Lagarde told a press conference at the event."

>>>2016? wow, that was when the Great Obama was in office! GTO is right, this upswing's been going on for a while now!

"Maury Obstfeld, economic counsellor and research department director at the IMF, told CNBC Monday that there was a broad cyclical upswing but many of the factors driving growth were temporary in nature. "We think that policymakers should not sit back and rest on their laurels (and) think that we're in a new normal where everything will be great. They have to look ahead and look at the broad range of policies that can make growth stronger, and more resilient" he said. "We like what we're seeing in the short term but the long term picture hasn't changed, the stresses are there. Part of what has supported this recovery since the crisis has been fiscal policy, so we have much higher government debt than we had before, where is the room for governments to do fiscal expansion in a renewed downturn?," he said. Obstfeld added that the organization sees higher household debt in many places and higher corporate debts. He explained that these are fine when interest rates are low but the recovery itself is leading central banks to raise interest rates. "If that happens abruptly and more quickly than we expect there could be stresses," he warned."

>>>ah, so there is more to the article.

""First of all, there are still too many people who are left out of that recovery and acceleration of growth. In fact, about one fifth of emerging and developing countries saw their per capita income decline in 2017. The second reason is that this is clearly a mostly cyclical recovery and, absent continuous reforms, the fundamental forces that had us so worried about this new mediocre that we feared, in other words, the scars from the crisis — the low productivity, the ageing population and future potential growth — all of that will continue to weigh on medium-term prospects." The third reason she noted was that there was a build-up of "potentially serious financial sector vulnerabilities" and that there had been a "troubling" increase in debt across many countries."

>>>that doesn't sound promising. But, hey, thanks Double for the article link. Here's some other opinions:

"There are many explanations for this, such as shell shock from the financial crisis keeping business and consumers wary. In fairness, the Obama expansion record also had its buoyant moments. Example: After GDP of minus 1 percent in the first quarter of 2014, growth leaped to around 5 percent in the second and third. But then it slowed to just a 2 percent advance in the fourth. "
"The president believes these immigrants bring crime and terrorism to U.S. shores and swipe American jobs. However, such a draconian approach would harm growth, Simon Johnson, former International Monetary Fund chief economist, argued at a recent public forum. And it means economic goals "are going to disappear like sand through your fingers," he said."

>>>uh-oh, there's that IMF again :) But we'll soon enough see, if Chump's trade tariffs begin a trade war. And you know what that does to an economy?

"That didn't go anywhere, so now Mr. Trump is taking the hard line again. He has griped to Chinese leader Xi Jinping that the U.S. trade deficit with China is "not sustainable." The administration may soon announce tariffs or quotas on Chinese washing machines and solar panels. In the wings are even harsher tactics, like banning Chinese investments in the U.S.
Such talk has many fearful of a reprise of the trade disputes that deepened the Great Depression. A less-dire scenario has the rest of the world striking deals and liberalizing trade, while the U.S. languishes on the sidelines. "The U.S. economy will suffer as others move forward and we stay in the same place," warned Simon Lester, a trade analyst with the Cato Institute. "

same source as above.
Joined: 10/25/2017
Msg: 4394
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 1/23/2018 6:34:04 AM

Doubleknotspy7 - Msg: 4335
Nice to see the hate filled, homophobic racist leftists are still active in here....

Doubleknotspy7 - Msg: 4387
Me, I appreciate vigorous debate with out insult or misogyny.”
Half of the posts here never even mention the topic just straight insult....

HawkingJr - Msg: 4395
Have you no sense of irony, man? You’re seriously going to complain about insults and misogyny, then praise Donald J. Trump? I thought only dee was capable of doing something that mind-blowingly hypocritical. YOU CANNOT SUPPORT THE KING OF INSULTING MISOGYNISTS AND THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT BEING CALLED NAMES.

What do you expect from the same guy who calls anyone who opposes Comrade Trump "a hate filled, homophobic racist leftist."

You have to forgive him, that is a side effect of drinking too much orange kool-aid.
Joined: 10/14/2017
Msg: 4395
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 1/23/2018 10:19:07 AM

"KJ must have been deleted b/c women are threatened by her looks"

Lol....Yes and you men deleted John because you were jealous of him too...
And I guess that's why practically everybody on these forums have been removed at one time or another...
How do you know she just didn't delete herself ?

Anyways....Don't you find it odd...Not a word from Trump about this Stormy affair....
Just not like him...somethings fishy.
Joined: 8/10/2016
Msg: 4396
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 1/23/2018 10:46:53 AM
How do I know because I have chatted with her.
Twice in one month but I get it, her looks intimidated a lot of people in here both men and women.

Now you go off with LL and enjoy your little search for relevant emoji.
As oxymoronic as that idea is.

Back to more serious matters...
President Trump accomplishment # 218;
The decimation of ISIS by giving field commanders more decision-making authority.
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 4397
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 1/23/2018 11:23:41 AM
ISIS? how can they exist, Bush said Iraq was "Mission Accomplished!", so there's no possible way a terrorist organization could come out of Iraq like this ISIS thing you speak of. Well, at least Chump is letting the military have free reign (B/c that's never been a problem before, like those SEALS dead from bad intel no one wants to discuss), heck, they even dropped the MOAB in Afghanistan. Mean ol' Obama and even Bush wouldn't let them drop the mother of all bombs.

and how well has that solved the war in Afghanistan? Oh, well, we've had to escalate, it accomplished so much:

boy, thank goodness HRC isn't in the White Again House, you know how much she loves war....

but hey, back to ISIS. Wonder what the Turks are doing to help:

"Turkey's air and ground offensive against Kurds in northwestern Syria has distracted from international efforts to finish off the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and has disrupted humanitarian relief work, U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said Tuesday."

Hey, maybe the generals should fix that problem, so they don't have to fight ISIS and send our people home in pine boxes. oh yeah, that's right, there's no State Dept to send in to work the problem.
Joined: 4/16/2007
Msg: 4398
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What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 1/23/2018 11:30:06 AM
I'd say my pessimism was warranted -- yeah, those Republican snakes were worth trusting:

>>>The House isn't planning to take up what the Senate might pass on immigration, the House Republican whip said Monday, setting a potential showdown between the two chambers on the issue.

House Republican Whip Steve Scalise told reporters Monday afternoon that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's pledge on the Senate floor to turn to immigration in February -- a key part of ending the government shutdown -- held little weight on the House side.

"There were no commitments made in the House," Scalise said.

"I think we've been very clear that any final solution has to include funding for a wall and we've been working closely with President Trump on that," he added.

Scalise also ruled out "amnesty," though he wasn't clear on how he defined it and whether it would mean a pathway to citizenship for recipients of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals policy, a program that protected young undocumented immigrants who came to the US as children that Trump has decided to end.<<<

So, basically, the shutdown was for nothing. McConnell can kind of keep his promise by allowing a DACA-savior plan to be debated and possibly even pass the Senate with bipartisan votes, but the House GOP will treat that bill exactly the same way they treated the 2013 immigration bill: like toilet paper. Because although there are undoubtedly enough votes in the House overall to pass it, the bill will fail the "Hastert rule," meaning the majority of Republicans do not support it, so Ryan will not even allow it to be debated or voted on. Trump will never even have to make a veto decision -- the DACA deadline will pass on 3/5 and the heartless deportations will start en masse. And in the end, all the shutdown accomplished was bad optics for the Democrats. Still, they'll probably win in November... too late for the 700,000 deported innocent victims, because you can bet Trump will waste no time rounding them up, since they're the easiest illegal immigrants to find. It's possible next January the new Congress could vote them back in to the country, but will Trump veto THAT legislation? And it's highly questionable as to whether the Democrat victory will be big enough to override a Trump veto. At that point, Mueller's impeachment recommendation might be looking mighty good.

Arguably, Trump and his worshippers have already won. The damage they will have done in 2 years to families, race relations, the climate, the environment, civil rights, civil liberties and the world's view of America could take decades to undo.
Joined: 8/10/2016
Msg: 4399
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 1/23/2018 11:31:59 AM
ISIS? How can they exist?
I guess you forgot the President Obama years. And his declarations of the end?
As much as we all would like to forget him, his mediocre economy and soft on terrorism stance, he is the main reason for ISIS and President Trump.

At least now people are safer around the world.
But its a war that may never end.
gto, you almost managed a clean post but you just can't seem to get over the top.
Keep trying you are making progress as have most others in here.
Joined: 10/25/2017
Msg: 4400
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 1/23/2018 11:32:33 AM

"KJ must have been deleted b/c women are threatened by her looks"

Whisky_River - Msg: 4413
Yes and you men deleted John because you were jealous of him too...
And I guess that's why practically everybody on these forums have been removed at one time or another...

Did you noticed how quickly he deflected to ISIS?

Thank you amigo! That's a real ego booster to know everytime I've been deleted, is because people are threatened by my looks.
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