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What's up with the Schiff?russian thing? Anyone know??
Joined: 10/25/2017
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Posted: 2/8/2018 7:12:46 PM

Ben Shapiro: Trump's lawyers 'should lock him in the White House basement' to avoid Mueller testimony

Conservative commentator Ben Shapiro warned President Trump not to sit down for an interview with Robert Mueller, saying the president's lawyers should "take him down to the basement of the White House and physically chain him up" to prevent him from talking with the special counsel.

“I mean, if the lawyers have to take him down to the basement of the White House and physically chain him up to prevent him from talking to Mueller, I would recommend that be on the table so long as they don’t violate his consent in any way because that would be illegal,” the "Daily Wire" founder and editor-in-chief joked with host Shannon Bream on "Fox News at Night."

“It would be such a mistake to put somebody like President Trump, who likes to bloviate, who likes to exaggerate, who likes to say everything is the biggest, the strongest, the best, the hugest, the most incredible," Shapiro, 34, continued late Wednesday.
Joined: 1/16/2018
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Posted: 2/8/2018 7:18:56 PM
Any lawyer would recommend to not testify whether democrat or republican....Next!!
Joined: 10/25/2017
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Posted: 2/8/2018 7:29:32 PM

"Trump lawyers are concerned that the president, who has a history of making false statements and contradicting himself, could be charged with lying to investigators. "
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Posted: 2/8/2018 7:33:09 PM

Regardless, this but all assures the Repubs are gone in 2018...then the Dems can take care of Trump. In every cloud is a single lining.
I don't know what the silver lining is, though. Other than being handed a bubble economy primed for a crash, like in 07-09.....with limited tools to fix it...... A lot of the Trump damage is done, and irreversible. Ruinous, unneeded tax cuts that set the stage for exploding deficits for the party in control to have to deal with, for one thing.......
Joined: 10/25/2017
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Posted: 2/11/2018 4:30:47 PM
Vicepresident Pence is such a hypocrite that he is in South Korea criticizing North Korea's military parade, but praises Trump's call for one in the United States.

Pence said and I quote: "....any opportunity we have to celebrate the men and women of the armed forces of the United States is a great day".

Army Military Times online magazine conducted a poll, nine out of ten soldiers and readers of the Army Times are against it, and said it is a waste of our time and taxpayers money.

We asked, you voted: 89 percent said no to Trump’s military parade

As of Thursday afternoon, more than 51,000 readers had responded. The majority, 89 percent, responded “No, It’s a waste of money and troops are too busy.”
Joined: 2/7/2018
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Posted: 2/11/2018 6:01:22 PM
It would be wonderful if President Trump makes a military parade on July 4.!
That would be FANTASTIC , I really mean it.!!
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Posted: 2/11/2018 6:13:23 PM

Do you live in Panama? Are you an ex-pat? Why are you so excited about the prospect of an extremely expensive, completely unnecessary "military parade"?
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Posted: 2/11/2018 8:08:42 PM

1 & 2 Q=
Both countries first house in which I live is located in Dallas TX second house is in Panama I travel from one side to the other all the time. Travel to Dallas in March....... Tip= will delete my profile next month and I'll remake it from there... lol

extremely expensive, completely unnecessary "military parade"?

Look, using our logic and experience we know that people cannot control how much money the government spends. The one in power decides everything. This is happening all over the world in all Governments.

Have you noticed how much President Bush, Clinton, Obama spent when they were in power?
Does Hush's fund tell you anything? How much? 17M? What about the dossier? 100,000 and willing to pay 1 M.
What I mean is, if they don't spend the money on the military parade, they'll spend it on something else. That's how power works.

SO...Why not give honor to those heroes who fight for peace and security for all? They deserve to be admired and it would be a pleasure to see them all marching in the parade on July 4.
I am sure they will enjoy doin that.
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Posted: 2/11/2018 8:20:29 PM

Why not give honor to those heroes who fight for peace and security for all? They deserve to be admired and it would be a pleasure to see them all marching in the parade on July 4.

I am sure they will enjoy doin that.

The only person who wants a parade is wannabe Despot Comrade Trump. Even a conservative Navy Seal who killed Osama bin Laden is against it.

Ex-Navy SEAL calls Trump’s military parade idea “third world bullshit”

"Robert O’Neill, a retired Navy SEAL, was on the raid to kill Osama bin Laden."

A retired Navy SEAL who was on the raid to kill Osama bin Laden has some harsh words about President Donald Trump’s military parade plan.

But on Thursday morning, Robert O’Neill — who says he’s the one who shot bin Laden and identifies as a conservative — tweeted his displeasure with Trump’s demand.

“A military parade is third world bullshit,” O’Neill wrote. “We prepare. We deter. We fight. Stop this conversation.”

Poor — and usually authoritarian — countries like big military parades as a way to make the nation look tough and to stroke the dictator’s ego.

No One in the military Want's Trump's Military Parade
Only those who have not seen war have any desire to celebrate war. Parades, such as the one the current chief executive demands, are anathema to those who actually served. From the lowest rank to the highest, there is nothing more detested than the idea and reality of a parade. This would seem to be a key indicator of how far out of touch with the military President Trump is at this point.
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Posted: 2/11/2018 9:54:27 PM
I am used to see military parade each year on our independence day in Panama, They show a display of Panama’s “military” strength, and heavily armed border units in jungle camouflage outfits, the fire department also marches, but the one that causes the most admiration is the Navy.:)

No One in the military Want's Trump's Military Parade

I do not believe this, and never will.
The left party is trying to defame the military by saying they do not want to obey the president.!

Only those who have not seen war have any desire to celebrate war.

Someone remember NORIEGA? and what happened? I was there, and We had to pour vinegar in towels and put them in our nose to be able to breathe.

AND.....I still would love to see US military parade on July 4.!


By the way, celebrate war? where did you get that?....ahh..fake news CNN got it.!!

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Posted: 2/11/2018 10:49:53 PM

By the way, celebrate war? where did you get that?....ahh..fake news CNN got it.!!

Actually, if you read the link, it is NOT CNN.

I forgot that you are one of Comrade Trump christian followers that are so drunk on the orange kool-aid that even if Jesus Christ gets down off the cross and told you Trump abused and assaulted women, you would tell him, "hold on a second, I need to check with the president if it's true."

I find shocking how christian women condone a guy who has a history of defending men accused of hurting women. Alleged pedophile Roy Moore, Roger Ailes, Bill Oreilly, and last but not least, Rob Porter, just to name a few. This list does not include the 19 women who accused Trump of sexual misconduct.

Btw, did you saw the pictures of Rob Porter's battered wife? Your president and Chief of Staff John Kelly claim Rob Porter is a "man of integrity and honor". Sad.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 2/12/2018 1:08:14 AM
This is actually a serious question here. We get the reports about president the donald and others who are around him and the accusations (I'm no sure if there have been any convictions) of sexual harassment. But some media outlets have mentioned the holier than thou attitude displayed by the democrats and liberals in general.....

"I find shocking how christian women condone a guy who has a history of defending men accused of hurting women."

Again though the question arises. How many of the geezers involved have been prosecuted? Now not for a minute am i stating they are innocent. But unless tried in court neither are they guilty. Because those who are outraged at the goings on were pretty unoutraged at harvey weinstein...............

"Harvey Weinstein’s sexual abuse reveals glaring liberal Hollywood hypocrisy

"Alleged pedophile Roy Moore, Roger Ailes, Bill Oreilly, and last but not least, Rob Porter, just to name a few. This list does not include the 19 women who accused Trump of sexual misconduct."

Again just on a point of law these are allegations are they not? Now the fact they are resigning makes me think there is some truth in the allegations. But they have not been found guilty in a court of law have they? But IF by resigning they are somehow guilty then michael jackson was guilty of child abuse when he paid sums of money out then was he not?

And obviously just a wee bit looking on google and you find articles like this below............

"Democrats have a sexual harassment problem
The party’s leaders can't keep protecting sexual harassers and claim they’re the party of the resistance."

"Btw, did you saw the pictures of Rob Porter's battered wife? Your president and Chief of Staff John Kelly claim Rob Porter is a "man of integrity and honor". Sad."

I don't really know who porter or kelly are but i shall have a gander. But speaking of 'integrity'.............

Bill Clinton: A Reckoning

Feminists saved the 42nd president of the United States in the 1990s. They were on the wrong side of history; is it finally time to make things right?

The notorious 1998 New York Times op-ed by Gloria Steinem must surely stand as one of the most regretted public actions of her life.

If all the various allegations were true, wrote Steinem, Bill Clinton was “a candidate for sex addiction therapy.”

To her mind, the most “credible” accusations were those of Willey, who she noted was “old enough to be Monica Lewinsky’s mother.”

And then she wrote the fatal sentences that invalidated the new understanding of workplace sexual harassment as a moral and legal wrong:

“Even if the allegations are true, the President is not guilty of sexual harassment. He is accused of having made a gross, dumb, and reckless pass at a supporter during a low point in her life. She pushed him away, she said, and it never happened again.

The widespread liberal response to the sex-crime accusations against Bill Clinton found their natural consequence 20 years later in the behavior of Harvey Weinstein:

Stay loudly and publicly and extravagantly on the side of signal leftist causes and you can do what you want in the privacy of your offices and hotel rooms.

But the mood of the country has changed. We are in a time when old monuments are coming down and men are losing their careers over things they did to women a long time ago"

Surely those in glass houses should watch when they are throwing stones aye?
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Posted: 2/12/2018 4:17:29 AM
"Surely those in glass houses should watch when they are throwing stones aye?"

I would certainly wish to believe so, but then I would get called one of those Christians some are talking about. I don't expect to see the worst in others, and except them to see the best in me. I don't judge others and wish for them to stand by my side. If we all want to see positive changes, we first have to change ourselves.
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Posted: 2/12/2018 8:50:39 AM
Well...I would think with the country being in such debt and a new 1.5 Trillion infrastructure plan in the making.
One should forget about the million or so, for a parade of the armed forces on a whim of Trump.
Republicans can't say they care about debt and then keep blowing it up on unnecessary things.
Of course....It will be a repeat of the next President coming in....trying to dig out.
As in Obama taking over after the Bush debt.

From what I have heard from Military personnel of all Forces...they consider if a "pain in the ass" to participate/coordinate a parade.
And for what purpose?
A little different when cadets come out to salute/parade for Remembrance Day....etc.

As for the Democrat molesters are worse than the really?
Yes... Bill was a creep does that now make it excusable for it to now be acceptable? Weird thinking...
Men just need to respect women and they shouldn't have to worry about getting outed.
It's gone on too long. Unfortunately, I believe it will still happen with people in "power".

There's plenty of men that aren't worried about their careers being ruined because they grew up with decent morals.

P.S. Meanwhile it was sure great to hear the Great Obama(for GTO) speak today.
Such a smart, funny, eloquent, kind man.....
He made it through a speech without bashing people and bragging up himself...imagine that!!
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 2/12/2018 10:18:26 AM
"As for the Democrat molesters are worse than the really?
Yes... Bill was a creep does that now make it excusable for it to now be acceptable? Weird thinking...
Men just need to respect women and they shouldn't have to worry about getting outed.
It's gone on too long. Unfortunately, I believe it will still happen with people in "power".

There's plenty of men that aren't worried about their careers being ruined because they grew up with decent morals."

To be honest i can't see where it says that democrats are worse than republicans. And i can't see where anyone has said it makes it acceptable because clinton is a creep.

It's no weird thinking at all. At least the alleged offences are out in the open. My point was why was sexual harassment not taken serious until now?

Lots of folk must have known about the allegations against clinton and said nothing. The same way they said nothing about weinstein and woody allen.

As far as i am aware no one has been put on trial and jailed yet. So they are merely allegations.

And as far as i am concerned there is no weird thinking about it at all. IF president the donald had not won the presidency would the same folk who remained silent about clinton have still have remained silent if it was president hillary?

We had an mp murdered in englandshire. Jo cox her name is or was. The nations that make up the uk were shocked by her murder. Now allegations have been made against her husband for sexual assault.

But as he has not been charged or put on trial he is innocent in the eyes of the law. As are those being accused now. Innocent until proven guilty.

And as for trying to sweep away clintons sleaze because there is a new sleaze in town? Weird thinking.

Ps as for obama. I'm afraid our liberal types over here do not share your dewy eyed view of the man.

"Pity the sad legacy of Barack Obama
Cornel West

Our hope and change candidate fell short time and time again. Obama cheerleaders who refused to make him accountable bear some responsibility

Barack Obama’s original sin: America’s post-racial illusion"
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Posted: 2/12/2018 11:01:35 AM
Also from the Guardian but a different point of view.....I.M.O. "all" the people will never be happy or matter who is in office.

My point was why was sexual harassment not taken serious until now?

I took the accusations of Bill serious...I couldn't believe Hillary stuck by her man. He was know.

As for guess is people were ashamed that no one would believe many wanted a job/career and these were very influential/powerful people..
It's not just women. We believed the young men that Keven Spacey molested.
Heck...he admitted it. Made no apologies....other than to admit to being "gay".

We had a prolific hockey coach up here in Canada that got accused and charged....many years later.
On the heresay of many young men.
Strength in numbers helps and many are takes the first one to come forward.
I don't know....what's your thought. I don't have all the answers.

What have I missed? I am not a "debater" need GTO or one of the others.
I do know.....when there are multiple accusations against one individual of the same kind of offense.
It is likely a true assumption...regardless of party.

It is awful if an innocent man is accused and is innocent.
So far here....Scott Baio is fighting his accuser.
I tend to believe he is innocent....but that's my opinion.
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Posted: 2/12/2018 12:07:57 PM
Sexual harassment became ok when Clinton "did not have sex with that woman", and lied to the entire nation to only be forgiven. That's the sad thing about it all. When a president does it its ok cause its the president.

As far as Obama I haven't been a fan since losing my great health care plan back in 09' when he promised American's would not, and our rates would not increase. He is another president to lie to the entire nation. They dropped me like a hot potato, and costs became so high I could NOT afford insurance. I paid for health care out of pocket, without the care I needed. This past year when my income was actually low enough to qualify for state insurance at a reduced rate do I actually have insurance again. Now I have major health issues.

...and here's the kicker. It doesn't matter what good Trump does (there is actually quite a bit), because most American's cant stand the man (me included). Illegals who vote illegally are also tampering with American politics are they not? The pots calling the kettles black in this nation really irk me though. I agree its not a democratic or republican problem, but an American one. That's what some seem to forget.

As far as a parade I think its a waste of our tax dollars.
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Posted: 2/12/2018 2:13:46 PM
Sounds like Medicare is getting cuts under this new infrastructure...he wants the wall and more for military.
Good Luck to all that need more health care in their old age...
I don't know why the Americans can't use a system such as ours.?
It seems pretty one loses care...of course, there are some stipulations.
The poor don't pay any premiums at all in my province.
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Posted: 2/12/2018 4:23:51 PM
Apparently my income is still too high, but low enough to get a good discount here in NY. The deductibles are where they get me. In other states I was completely out of luck, so I'm not complaining. The cost of living is very high here, and so are my property taxes. I feel like I'm getting something back for all I pay in.
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Posted: 2/12/2018 10:41:14 PM
Lee Smith:

Former CIA director John Brennan is having trouble keeping his Trump-Russia stories straight. On Meet the Press this past Sunday, host Chuck Todd asked MSNBC’s new national security analyst about George Papadopoulos, a volunteer adviser to Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign, and his reputed ties to Russia.
The question should have been a simple one to answer, for anyone who has been following the twists and turns of the Russiagate narrative. For over a year, press reports had proclaimed that the FBI’s July 2016 investigation into the Trump campaign’s Russia connections had originated with a dossier compiled by an impeccable British intelligence source who alleged that Russia had compromising material on the Republican candidate. Further, the document alleges that Trump aides had committed serious crimes in coordination with Russian officials. But the so-called Steele dossier, named for the former British spy Christopher Steele, who allegedly authored it, proved to be opposition research that the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee paid the Washington, D.C. strategic communications firm Fusion GPS millions of dollars to produce and distribute to the press.

Just as the dossier’s credibility began to wane—none of the allegations regarding Trump have been verified—a New York Times article from Dec. 30, 2017 corrected the record to show that the FBI’s inquiry into the Trump team’s possible ties to Russia in fact had nothing to do with the Steele dossier, or Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, as the paper had been reporting for the past year. No, it began after a meeting between Papadopoulos and the Australian ambassador to the United Kingdom, Alexander Downer, in a London bar, back in May 2016. At that meeting, Papadopoulos, who, according to the Times, was in contact with Russian figures who were apparently connected to official Russian channels, told Downer that he had inside information the Russians were about to release thousands of emails damaging to Hillary Clinton. After the hacked DNC emails appeared in June and July, according to the Times, the Australians decided to pass on news of Papadopoulos’s boasts to their “American counterparts.”

Todd asked Brennan if the intelligence on Papadopoulos came “through the C.I.A. via the Five Eyes thing,” referring to the intelligence-sharing relationship between the five English-speaking powers, the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, and New Zealand. Brennan’s response, though, went off-script.
He wasn’t “going to get into details about how it was acquired,” he explained. “But the F.B.I. has a very close relationship with its British counterparts. And so the F.B.I. had visibility into a number of things that were going on involving some individuals who may have had some affiliation with the Trump campaign.”
British counterparts? The Times report, based on interviews with former and current U.S. and foreign officials, had claimed that the Australians passed on the tip. Did the Times get that part of its story wrong? Perhaps Downer, Australia’s former foreign minister, had told British police who passed it to the FBI. Or maybe Brennan misspoke, or misremembered.

What seems more likely is that the former CIA director told the truth. Informed sources in Washington have been whispering for months that Britain’s intelligence service, the Government Communications Headquarters, the U.K.’s version of America’s National Security Agency, was intercepting the emails and phone calls of Trump officials. “It’s not impossible,” a former high-ranking U.S. intelligence officer told me, “that the information came from the Brits. Under certain circumstances, we can search their database, and they can search ours. Our intelligence-sharing relationship with the U.K. is much closer than it is with anyone else, by far the closest we have. But something like that wouldn’t be routine in our relationship.”

Luke Harding of the Guardian, apparently one of the few journalists with access to Steele, first reported April 13 that the GCHQ had played a central part in uncovering Trump’s possible ties to Russia, and forwarding the information they had directly on to John Brennan. The next day CNN published a similar report.
Citing U.S. and U.K. intelligence sources, Harding wrote, “GCHQ played an early, prominent role in kickstarting the FBI’s Trump-Russia investigation, which began in late July 2016.” According to one account, reported Harding, “GCHQ’s then-head, Robert Hannigan, passed material in summer 2016 to the CIA chief, John Brennan. The matter was deemed so sensitive it was handled at ‘director level.’ After an initially slow start, Brennan used GCHQ information and intelligence from other partners to launch a major inter-agency investigation.”
Brennan has himself previously taken credit for initiating the inquiry. While on Meet the Press, Brennan suggested that the British sent their intelligence on to the FBI, in his May testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, he indicated it came from him directly.

“I was aware,” Brennan said in May, “of intelligence and information about contacts between Russian officials and U.S. persons that raised concerns in my mind about whether or not those individuals were cooperating with the Russians, either in a witting or unwitting fashion, and it served as the basis for the FBI investigation to determine whether such collusion—cooperation occurred.”

Brennan continued: “I wanted to make sure that every information and bit of intelligence that we had was shared with the bureau [FBI] so that they could take it. It was well beyond my mandate as director of CIA to follow on any of those leads that involved U.S. persons. But I made sure that anything that was involving U.S. persons, including anything involving the individuals involved in the Trump campaign, was shared with the bureau.”
In other words, the FBI investigation didn’t start when the Australians, according to the Times—or the Brits, according to Brennan’s most recent version of the story—contacted the FBI after the Papadopoulos-Downer meeting. No, it started when the director of the CIA decided to start an investigation, when Brennan passed on information and intelligence to the FBI, and signaled that the bureau better act on it.
The former CIA director has some questions to answer, then. What precisely was his role in initiating the FBI probe into the Trump team’s possible ties to Russia? Will he disclose where the intelligence actually came from? Was it volunteered by one of America’s closest allies, or did U.S. officials request to search allies’ databases for the communications of American citizens? If so, under what authority were American allies being used to help an American intelligence agency spy on a domestic political campaign?
Newly disclosed evidence from the House Intelligence Committee and the Senate Judiciary Committee shows that the FBI and Department of Justice used the Steele dossier—opposition research paid for by the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign—to secure a FISA warrant on Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. The warrant allowed the FBI to intercept not only the communications of Page, but also anyone in contact with Page whose metadata—phone number, email, etc.—might have signaled a pattern interpreted by FBI analysts as potentially meaningful to a counterintelligence investigation. In other words, the warrant was a backdoor giving the FBI access to spy on the entire Trump campaign.

Given the potential consequences, legal and institutional, of violating the fourth amendment rights of an American citizen for the sake of enabling one presidential campaign to spy on another, it’s hardly surprising Brennan would want to put some distance between himself and the Steele dossier. He told Chuck Todd that while he heard lots of rumors about it, he didn’t see it until December 2016. “Well, it was not a very well-kept secret among press circles for several months before it came out,” said Brennan. “And it was in late summer of 2016 when there were some individuals from the various U.S. news outlets who asked me about my familiarity with it. And I had heard just snippets about it. I did not know what was in there.”

That makes no sense. In July, Brennan alerted the FBI to the possibility that Russia is seeking to interfere in the presidential election. In August, he briefed the White House and then congressional leaders on Russia’s attempts to influence the election for the purpose of putting Trump in the White House. In December, the CIA assessed that Russia had done exactly that. But for five months, Brennan didn’t bother to look at a document widely discussed for months by the Washington press corps that deals explicitly with the issue that has the director of the Central Intelligence Agency setting off fire alarms at the FBI, Congress, and the White House?
Nonsense. Brennan’s problem now is that the more distance he tries to put between himself and the sketchy dossier, the more he highlights the CIA director’s role in promoting the collusion narrative inside the Beltway bureaucracy.
So, for a moment, let’s forget all the other juicy details surrounding Russiagate—Christopher Steele, Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson, the role of FBI and DOJ officials, the partisan jockeying of congressional committee chairs, leaks to the media and the press’ many errors in reporting. Indeed, even put aside for a second whether you think Donald Trump or his circle might have actually colluded with Vladimir Putin to steal the 2016 election from Hillary Clinton. Let’s concentrate, for a moment, on the Director of the CIA, and how he spent the last half of 2016. Here’s a timeline:

• In July 2016, Brennan, according to his own testimony, initiated the Russia investigation and pushed the FBI to get on the case.
• In early August 2016, Brennan briefed Obama on Russian interference. He explained that Putin’s explicit purpose is to aid Trump. That assessment, according to the Washington Post story describing the meetings, was not yet endorsed by other intelligence agencies, including the FBI.
• In late August, Brennan briefed congressional leaders on the same topic. The briefings, according to a New York Times report, “reveal a critical split last summer between the C.I.A. and counterparts at the F.B.I., where a number of senior officials continued to believe through last fall that Russia’s cyber-attacks were aimed primarily at disrupting America’s political system, and not at getting Mr. Trump elected.”
• After an Aug. 25 briefing for Harry Reid in which “Brennan indicated that Russia’s hackings appeared aimed at helping Mr. Trump win the November election,” the Sen. Minority Leader was so alarmed that, on August 27, he fired off a letter to FBI director James Comey, in which he expressed his “concern that the threat of the Russian government tampering in our presidential election is more extensive than widely known.”
• On Oct. 30, Reid writes another letter to Comey, upbraiding him for reopening the Clinton email investigation, while sitting on “explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government.” Reid knew Comey had the goods on Trump from his communications with Comey and “other top officials in the national security community.” It seemed that Brennan was again berating Comey through Reid.

Yet in spite of Brennan’s efforts to maneuver Comey toward his position, with a little more than a week before the election, the FBI officially concluded that there was no clear link between the Trump campaign and Russia.
• After Trump won the election, Brennan continued to play the same note, even louder. On Dec. 9, the Washington Post reported that the CIA had issued a secret assessment finding that Putin interfered with the purpose of electing Trump.

A week later, after Brennan met with Comey, the FBI finally agreed with the CIA. After five months of being harangued privately and publicly, the FBI director at last concluded that yes, just like Brennan had been saying all along, Putin wanted Trump in the White House. That assessment, made by the CIA and FBI in “high confidence,” was then documented in the January Intelligence Community report on Russian involvement in the 2016 elections.

Yet even today, Brennan can’t help but point a finger at Comey, who, it seems, never really got with the program. “I do think it was up to the F.B.I. to see whether or not they could verify any of [the Steele dossier],” Brennan said Sunday on Meet the Press. “I think Jim Comey has said that it contained salacious and unverified information. Just because it was unverified didn’t mean it wasn’t true. And if the Russians were involved in something like that, directed against individuals who are aspiring to the highest office in this land, there was an obligation on the part of the F.B.I. to seek out the truth on it.”

Why is John Brennan still so mad at James Comey? Because from Brennan’s perspective, the target of the information operation commonly referred to as Russiagate wasn’t just the 2016 GOP candidate. Sure, the Obama administration spied on the Trump team, but they regularly spied on their political opponents. Brennan’s CIA spied on U.S. Senators, a fact he first lied about and then grudgingly admitted to Congress and apologized for. The Obama White House abused the foreign intelligence surveillance system to spy on opponents of the Iran deal. Obama’s National Security Council staff had a 15-year CIA analyst, Ned Price, briefing—and purposefully misleading—the press and public, which had no idea he was a spy, regarding Obama administration policy. The White House spied on the Trump team. The point is that the main target of Brennan’s campaign was Comey.
Maybe Brennan always had it in for Comey. It’s as easy to imagine a rivalry as it is a friendship between two ambitious middle-class Irish Catholic kids who were born in Bergen County, New Jersey only a few years apart. Maybe as master practitioners of the Beltway arts, in which self-promotion ranks highly, they were always destined to wind up on opposite sides of a political battle.

Former CIA officers who worked with Brennan say he’s very political, a characteristic that agency employees seem to disdain as much as partisanship. One former NSC staffer in the Bush administration remembers that Brennan’s constant presence in the hallways became a running joke. “He was always looking for the next person who was going to advance him.” Congressional staffers who’ve worked with Comey describe him in very similar terms. “He’s not partisan,” says one Hill aide, “he’s a Comeyist, always looking out for what’s best for James Comey.”
There was also a history of sorts between the two highly political animals, whose careers first intersected with the June 25, 1996 Khobar Tower bombing in Saudi Arabia that killed 19 American servicemen and one Saudi national and wounded another 498 of various nationalities. Comey was lead prosecutor of the FBI’s case. In June 2001, he won indictments of 13 individuals working on behalf of the pro-Iran terrorist group Saudi Hezbollah. Iran was identified as the main culprit behind the attack.

In a sense, Brennan was on the other side. Brennan became the CIA’s station chief in Riyadh reportedly just after the attack. His appointment was unusual, says one retired CIA senior case officer. Brennan was from the agency’s analytical side, the directorate of intelligence. The former CIA officer explains that Brennan’s assignment was part of an initiative of then-director George Tenet to send analysts out in the field as station chiefs. “There is required training for operations officers who deploy overseas,” says the retired case officer. “Training to learn how to recruit spies and steal secrets. I’m not sure why the Director felt the need to send an officer overseas who was an analyst and not an operator who had operational training and experience.”

The answer is because Brennan had won the trust not only of his immediate boss, Tenet, whom he first served as executive assistant when Tenet went to Langley, but also that of the CIA’s customer-in-chief, Bill Clinton. Brennan had given Clinton his presidential daily briefing from 1994 to 1995. Brennan knew Riyadh, as he’d been posted to Saudi Arabia for two years starting in 1982. He also knew that rapprochement with Tehran was a foreign policy goal of the Clinton White House, which was hopeful that the election of “reformist” cleric Mohammad Khatami to the presidency would lead to restored relations with the Islamic Republic.
So, while the FBI, then led by Louis Freeh, kept pushing the White House to come down hard on Iran for its role in the bombing, the White House, especially National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, kept pushing back. Presumably, part of Brennan’s job in Riyadh was keeping tabs on the FBI agents investigating leads on the bombing that might lead back to Iran, and blow up the president’s hoped-for diplomacy. Clinton ended his term without reaching an accommodation with Tehran, but Brennan had done his job, protecting the interests not only of the CIA but also those of the Clinton White House.

Brennan isn’t a Clinton loyalist; the director of the CIA works for the president. The point is that Brennan had proven his bona fides to the Clintons by the time the 2016 presidential campaign came around. He must have assumed that he had a pretty good chance of keeping his job because he assumed, like everyone else, that Hillary Clinton was destined to be the next president.

Comey, only three years into a 10-year term, no doubt figured the same, except he had a big problem—Hillary Clinton, or, more precisely, a long trail of questionable activities during her time at the State Department that led directly back to the secretary herself. Chief among them was her private email account, which first came to light in March 2013 when the Romanian hacker “Guccifer” broke into the account of longtime Clinton operative Sidney Blumenthal and leaked emails Blumenthal had sent to Clinton regarding the Sept. 11, 2012 attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities in Benghazi. Two years later, the New York Times reported that Clinton had used a private email server during her entire tenure as secretary of state. Had she mishandled classified intelligence by exposing it to possible hacking on an unsecure server? When asked by investigators to turn over her emails, Clinton explained that she’d deleted half of the 60,000 emails exchanged during her time as America’s top diplomat.

Yet there was no way that Clinton or her aides were ever going to be prosecuted for mishandling classified intelligence, because, as former Department of Justice lawyer Andrew McCarthy has written, President Obama would have been implicated, too. “Obama, using a pseudonymous email account, had repeatedly communicated with Secretary Clinton over her private, non-secure email account,” writes McCarthy. “If Clinton had been charged, Obama’s culpable involvement would have been patent.”

For John Brennan, Clinton’s emails were a problem not only for the woman he may serve, but also for the president he was already serving. Even after the July 5 press conference in which Comey cleared Clinton of any charges—she was “extremely careless,” said Comey, but there was no evidence that she had willfully mishandled classified information—the White House was watching Comey carefully.
Newly released texts between FBI lawyer Lisa Page and bureau counterintelligence chief Peter Strzok dated Sept. 2, 2016 show that Obama himself was watching. Page texted Strzok that she was briefing Comey because “potus [President of the United States] wants to know everything we’re doing.”

The text, says a congressional report, “raises additional questions about the type and extent of President Obama’s personal involvement in the Clinton email scandal and the FBI investigation of it.” Perhaps the text is about the email issue, but Comey had cleared Clinton two months before.
The problem was that just as the FBI put the email story to rest, Russian hackers re-animated Clinton’s email problem with the June and July leaks of hacked emails from the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Most of the voting public did not distinguish between the classified emails on Hillary’s private server, and emails hacked from her party and her campaign. They heard “emails” and figured Clinton was in the news for the wrong reasons.
Russiagate simplified and re-contextualized the email issue by identifying a villain, or two villains—Russia and Trump. Both Trump-Russia origin stories—the dossier and the Papadopoulos meeting—tie Trump advisers to the leaked emails from the DNC and Clinton campaign. Among other purposes it was put to, the collusion story was a very elegant piece of political judo that turned Clinton’s email problems against Trump.

Was Brennan, during his protracted campaign to get Comey to bear down on Trump-Russia ties, freelancing? The Sept. 2 text suggests he wasn’t. The letter Reid wrote Comey a week before on Aug. 27 about the Russia investigation had been prompted by Brennan’s briefing. And Brennan worked for the president, who wanted to know everything.
Comey was a concern not because he was secretly sympathetic to Trump, but because he was running an agency whose rank and file had been dealing with the Clintons and their various improprieties for a quarter of a century. Even if some of the charges against Bill and Hillary Clinton were ridiculously politicized, the list of Clinton-related improprieties is long—Whitewater, Travelgate, Monica, Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation’s questionable practices, and now the emails—and not all of them were drummed up out of thin air for political gain. Comey had an entire building at his back that was tired of cleaning up after the Clintons, often at the expense of the laws that agents had sworn to uphold.

On Oct. 28, eleven days before the election, the FBI re-opened the Clinton email investigation. Glenn Simpson was “shocked” and “angry,” as he explained in his Nov. 14 testimony to the House intelligence committee. “At that point I felt like the rules had just been thrown out and that Comey had violated the sort of one of the more sacrosanct policies, which is not announcing law enforcement activity in the closing days of an election,” he said. “And so, we began talking to the press again about—we decided that if James Comey wasn’t going to tell people about this investigation that, you know, he had violated the rules, and we would only be fair if the world knew that both candidates were under FBI investigation.”

Simpson was upset because he was hired, in part, to disseminate a Clinton-funded Trump-Russia collusion theory to the press for the purpose of turning the email narrative away from Clinton and toward Trump. Then the email story came back. Christopher Steele was mad, too, said Simpson. Then the former British spy who was hired in order to credential the smear campaign as an authentic intelligence report that would have credibility inside the bureau left the country after the FBI found out he was briefing the press on his findings.

The institutional reputation of the FBI is rightly going to take a hit over its handling of the Russiagate affair, especially for its interactions with the FISA court. But the FBI itself was not the problem. Rather, it was James Comey. It’s hard not to feel some sympathy for Comey, or at least for the circumstances he found himself in. But because he would not stand up to John Brennan, the former FBI Director did terrible damage to his institution, and to the country as a whole.
By signing a FISA warrant based on paid political opposition research to intercept Carter Page’s communications, he violated the privacy of an American citizen in order to advance a conspiracy theory that would benefit one presidential candidate at the expense of another. By enabling a political campaign to use the FBI as a vehicle to abuse the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, Comey endangered U.S. national security, and turned both the bureau and the FISA Court into partisan instruments and brought their activities into disrepute.

The consequences are likely to be wide-ranging and long-lasting. Congressional leaders, civil libertarians, and millions of American citizens on both the left and the right are soon likely to demand substantial changes—perhaps better yet, an end—to surveillance programs protecting us from terrorism that are plainly susceptible to widespread, top-down extra-constitutional abuse. If not, Americans across the political spectrum should accustom themselves to the fact that some top officials will invariably take it as invitation to augment their own power at the expense of our democratic processes and institutions. They will see it as confirmation that they are above the law.


Whiskey, I kinda think the "great Obama" legacy is going to go down in flames after this democratic scandal is over. There are people now in this scandal that are trying to cover their a$$!! Boy are they ever!!
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Posted: 2/13/2018 6:38:22 AM

I kinda think the "great Obama" legacy is going to go down in flames after this democratic scandal is over

I don't think that will happen...especially after Trumps run is over
Relax and let the investigation run it's course.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 7:57:17 AM

I don't know why the Americans can't use a system such as ours.?
It seems pretty one loses care...of course, there are some stipulations
The poor don't pay any premiums at all in my province.

Because America is a very powerful country and ruled by a corrupt elite who can do what they want. Instead of doing honest trade where both parties benefit America is like the neighborhood gangster who demands protection. And the capitalist view of health care is that old people are a burden. They can't work or fight. Why spend money keeping them alive? If you want health care then you need to be rich enough to pay the gangster for his protection.

In Canada we have very strong provincial rights. We have health care because the people of Saskatchewan elected a progressive government that forced every practicing doctor in that province to join a collective agreement. And there was nothing the private insurance companies or the doctors or the elites back east could do about it. Health care is a provincial matter. During the depression the people of Alberta elected a government that printed their own currency that they called social credit. Basically the same thing Germany did in the 1930's. Creating money backed by the idea that putting people to work will result in the creation of more goods. The elites back east went apeshit and tried all sorts of things to ruin the western politicians but there wasn't much they could do about it.

America doesn't have states rights anymore because the reconstruction amendments that were intended to protect the rights of freed slaves have been reinterpreted to give corporations and other powerful business interests the same legal rights as individuals. It's very difficult to get any kind of progressive policies in place at the state level because the supreme court will always rule in favor of the private interest.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 8:17:37 AM

The only person who wants a parade is wannabe Despot Comrade Trump.

of course America should have a parade to show off "America's Might", I'll even help plan the event

First off I would get a Russian Lawyer to bribe...oops meant induce General Flynn and Omarosa to be Master of Ceremonies and narrate the event and on the ground leading the parade I would have Bannon, Spicer, Priebus with their arm extended goosestepping to the music of "Pink Floyd" (The Wall) and general Flynn up in the booth with the mic shouting "lock them up" with Omarosa crying crocodile tears chanting "things are bad be worry Mike Pence is Scary Satan'

trailing the Goosesteppers I would display "America's Might" with a cascade of Drones since Drones have now replace Troops and behind the Drones I would have the drone operators with their Nintendo Remote Controls raised goosestepping to the musical score of "Star Wars"

of course I would trolley out at least one Nuclear Weapon ...I suppose that would be's not like anyone would be able to walk off with it without a gun fight and it's only theoretical that a gun shot can step one off ...and if it do go off at least Trump would now have a Wall or at the least a hole ...and the Dreamers would get full citizenship since the Nuke caused a shortage of citizens ...problem solved

trailing the nuke I would have Sarah Huckabee on a float next to a large high resolution monitor displaying Trump's realtime tweets with Sarah Huckabee on a PA system re-interpreting or misinterpreting what Trump tweeted

see how I can plan the best parade and all I ask for payment is a no limit running tab of Ice cold brews for the plenty of fish forum members... and of course vats of orange kool-aid for those that might need it
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Msg: 4700
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 2/13/2018 9:37:17 AM
"Relax and let the investigation run it's course."

^^^^^^ Oh trust me, with all the new things coming out every day with the democratic scandal I am more then relaxed that the truth is coming out. We all are going to be very sad that this could happen in the US but this democrat scandal must be opened up for all of us to see. The Mueller investigation must also be completed.
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