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 from site to sight
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I wonder how long Trump will keep Giuliani on his team until he fires him. Do you think he'll be around as long as The Mooch?


Cooper pointed out that Trump claimed millions of illegal aliens voted in California, giving Clinton the popular vote win, and asked the advisor if he believed that was true, and the advisor admitted it was not, but that still didn't make Trump a "liar," just "incorrect"


I disagree. It makes Trump a liar because I doubt he made any attempt to verify the information and probably knew it's not true from the start. Trump doesn't care if he lies and how often, as long as it serves its purpose of pacifying his supporters. Do you really think Trump believed that Obama wasn't American and is a Muslim, or Obama wiretapped Trump Tower, or that Mexico is going to pay for the Trump wall, all Muslims are terrorists, and so on and so on-lie after lie?

I wonder if Trump will have to pay hush money to Melania when she gets fed up enough to leave Don the Con, so that she won't be tempted to write a tell-all book, or go on the talk show circuit. Or maybe they have a pre-nup saying she is to keep her trap shut if they were to get a divorce, or she won't get the settlement she wants. How's that "Stop on line bullying" campaign that she started working out for her?
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 5102
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/3/2018 7:54:37 AM

But it wouldn’t take much for him to become a target if Cohen were to “flip” to avoid prison time and tell them that Trump did indeed know all of what was going on the entire time and in fact orchestrated it, but in such a manner that he could deny knowing anything about it.

There's flipping and then there's FLIPPING. If they were worried about Cohen flipping about the Stormy Daniels matter, let's not forget that's only one matter of obvious deceit and cons over a 12 year association he had with Trump. It's very possible that Cohen has much more to flip about other than an affair, with supporting documentation obtained by the FBI, and Giuliani just opened a possible bigger can of flipping worms.

From Guiliani's latest ill thought out ramblings, it appears that he's interested in another 20 minutes of fame (in this case infamy) more than having the ability to be an effective new Trump employee. At 73, he's not the person he was 17 years ago - still just as bombastic and full of himself, but changed in a number of ways, none for the better. Younger, sharper minds will pick him to pieces and it'll only be a short matter of time before Trump starts using the pre-fire phrase, "he's a very fine person".
 Whisky_River
Joined: 10/14/2017
Msg: 5103
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/3/2018 8:38:41 AM
LOL...The gift that keeps on giving. Let's hope Rudy paid for a round ticket back to New York.
As usual the fool has put his foot in his mouth....No wonder him and Trump get along so well.....or did.
Wasn't he the first to gleefully admit they had something up their sleeve on Hillary...remember?
Now was that about the meeting with the Russian informat or Comeys announcement...I'll have to check.
He's not very sharp....as goofy and delusional as Trump.

Who knew politics was this dang entertaining?
TICK TOCK
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 5104
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/3/2018 10:00:23 AM

Yeah, nothing makes you look more "innocent" than to keep changing your story.
I seem to remember, when it first came out that Cohen had paid Stormy, and Cohen hastily concocted the story that Trump didn't know, and that he'd "paid it from his own pocket"....(which subsequently turned out to be taking out a fraudulent "mortgage")
That Cohen claimed that "he still hasn't repaid me!"

-But I can't seem to find it now.
If that's the case (he "still" hadn't repaid him), it would be interesting to see exactly when Cohen (publicly) made that claim,
-and how it "plays" with the chronology of Gulliani's claims about "staged payments".

Cohen will be noting all this, and deciding whether or not Trump and Gulliani are attempting to distance themselves from him. (So no chance of a pardon)

I think trump's tweets about Cohen being prepared to tell lies to "protect" himself/his family gives us more insight into what trump is really worrying about.
Cohen was "balls-deep" in attempted business deals with Russia, which continued well into the campaign, and maybe after....
I think that the "national enquirer's" front page, calling Cohen a liar, is significant.
Trump's team are preparing to deny everything.
-That their "defence strategy" now.
I think Meuller already knows...,.. everything........

The fact that trump essentially "forged" his own medical report, when he was campaigning for the position of leader of the whole country, lying to the public, barely gets a mention.
It's like America has already got used to having a liar as president.
LYING is "Letting Trump be Trump"
Lying is the new "normal" from the white-lies house.

The Ukranians got their missiles by "letting Trump be Trump", and by ceasing to cooperate with the Mueller enquiry, by exposing his lies.
Russia are also getting what they want, by "letting Trump be Trump".

It makes you wonder how vulnerable America now is to blackmail, by anyone who's got anything on this vile, porn-star-screwing, beauty-pageant-owning, pvssy-grabbing, mafia-mingling president.

Surely it's Meuller Time.... soon......?.
Tick tick tick.....

 halforhalfnot
Joined: 9/13/2016
Msg: 5105
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Posted: 5/3/2018 10:20:34 AM
Cohen privately complained that he still hadn't been repayed. He never made a public statement to that effect. Though right after there was $130,000 transferred from the campaign funds to Trump personally. Presumably that was meant to repay Cohen. And, of course, Trump just pocketed it.

The bigger revelation was Rudy saying that the FBI director was fired for not saying Trump wasn't the target of a criminal investigation. That is absolutely textbook obstruction of justice.

I still think Rudy is trying to save his own ass. He's known Mueller for 30 years. He knows he's good at what he does. If Trump can get indicted quickly enough, Mueller won't have a mandate to charge Rudy with treason.
 HawkingJr
Joined: 4/16/2007
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Posted: 5/3/2018 10:31:41 AM
Once again, I’m not a lawyer...

So several campaign finance law experts (including Kellyanne Conway’s husband) have enlightened me on my opinion that the latest revelations may have put Trump in the clear from this Stormy weather. Apparently if it is determined that Coen’s “loan” to Trump was indeed campaign-related, Trump is in violation of campaign finance law because he did not include it in paperwork he submitted to the FEC. He may cry “incidental overlook” but it wouldn’t require too much evidence to prove he did this on purpose, at which point it might be more than just a fineable offence. So he is definitely not out of the woods on this matter. My mistake. Hooray!

“Actually perjury is a specific intent crime, inother words you have to knowingly lie and intend to lie to be guilty of perjury. Without the specific intent of lying there is no perjury. So arguably Trump Maybe incorrect but not lying about the 3 million illegal voters. Just saying.”

I probably really shouldn’t have conflated those 2 things – it’s obviously not “perjury” for the president to make an “incorrect” statement to the American people. I’m just saying, when he finally does have to testify about something, will he be able to get away with “believing something to be true” to be his truth, since theoretically there was no intent to lie, since he actually believes the incorrect information is true? Maybe, unless there is proof that he knew what he was saying was incorrect at the time he was testifying.

“I disagree. It makes Trump a liar because I doubt he made any attempt to verify the information and probably knew it's not true from the start.”

That reminds me of the several times Trump or one of his press secretaries quoted fake news from a highly questionable source, got called out on it, and then claimed they were just quoting the “journalism” piece and not necessarily saying what the piece said was true or not. One of my favorites was when Trump claimed during a press conference (I think it was his only real one from last year) that he had the biggest electoral college victory since Reagan and a reporter pointed out that almost every president since Reagan except W. Bush had bigger electoral college victories than Trump did, and Trump responded with “Well, I don’t know, that’s just what somebody told me.” The obvious follow-up question, “Who the hell told you that B.S.?” did not occur for some reason.

“From Guiliani's latest ill thought out ramblings, it appears that he's interested in another 20 minutes of fame (in this case infamy) more than having the ability to be an effective new Trump employee.”

Supposedly Giuliani and Trump discussed what Giuliani was going to say before he went on Hannity and somehow decided together those ramblings were the best PR tactic for the Daniels situation (you’d think they’d be more concerned about what the best legal tactic was, which would have been to shut up about it until they got in court, but if you think Giuliani and Trump aren’t more concerned with PR than legal jeopardy, then you don’t know Giuliani and Trump). It was very odd how the Stormy Daniels matter even came up in the interview, because Hannity had asked a question about Russian collusion, and Giuliani didn’t even “segue” from that topic to Daniels – he responded with one sentence about Russian collusion, then the next sentence, completely unsolicited, was about Stormy Daniels. It was beyond bizarre, to the point you just felt like he was concerned he wasn’t going to be able to cover Stormy in the interview (knowing Hannity and his softballs, he probably wouldn’t even have asked about her) so he decided it was time to force the subject in. It makes no sense in “our” world why he or Trump would want to go there, but apparently most everything we saw was purposeful, no matter how rambling it sounded. But I wouldn’t doubt their old age and apparently advancing dementia is what led to them deciding this was a good idea to begin with.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 5107
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Posted: 5/3/2018 11:04:37 AM

Cohen privately complained that he still hadn't been repayed. He never made a public statement to that effect. Though right after there was $130,000 transferred from the campaign funds to Trump personally. Presumably that was meant to repay Cohen. And, of course, Trump just pocketed it.

Thanks mate, I knew I'd heard it somewhere.
A few of the sites are now saying that Gulliani was asked "so why did he say he wasn't paid?"
It's hilarious, watching three liars trying to get their stories "in-sync"

It's like watching three people, in different locations, who can't hear each other, trying to "sing in harmony"...
What's that old saying -" what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive"...

As I get older, I find enough difficulty remembering just the one version of anything.
The trouble with telling lies, is that nothing "fits together" anymore.
You have to tell another lie, to make the first lie credible, then another lie, to make that one credible....and so on...

It's funny, from a distance.
Until he nukes somewhere, as a distraction.

Still, he went to a "prayer meeting", right after he admitted paying a porn star.
I can't stop watching......
 Tootiefrutie1
Joined: 12/8/2015
Msg: 5108
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Posted: 5/3/2018 11:06:09 AM
Gosh, it looks like the feds were wiretapping Cohen for weeks before his office was raided...it was and exceedingly high bar to raid an attorney office, it's an even higher bar to get a FISA warrant to wiretap the presidents attorney? (is Cohen the presidents attorney???that story has gone from denial to "hey he's my attorney). I hear that Mueller just hired an undertaker to start work on a casket for the existing executive branch.
 APRILIKESWHITEROSES
Joined: 4/6/2018
Msg: 5109
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Posted: 5/3/2018 1:46:49 PM
The Justice Department should NOT permit the president to be interrogated on so paltry and presumptuous a showing.
by
Andrew McCarthy:

Mueller subpoena threat shows DOJ needs 'adult supervision' 'If he doesn't have a crime, he doesn't get to ask a bunch of questions',!!

A former federal prosecutor says Robert Mueller’s threat to subpoena President Trump demonstrates a Justice Department in need of “adult supervision,” and the special counsel’s questions leaked to the media show he still hasn’t found a crime to prosecute.

Mueller’s prosecutors and Trump’s lawyers have been negotiating the terms of a voluntary interview, but Mueller is now threatening a subpoena if Trump does not commit to the session....McCarthy said the subpoena threat shows the process is OFF the rails.

“We’re not having adult supervision in the Justice Department,” said McCarthy, who asserts that proper oversight would not allow the subpoena of lesser figures without clear evidence of a crime.

“You’d have to go through hoops at the Justice Department for permission to serve (a subpoena to), say, a journalist,” he explained in an interview with WND and Radio America.

“With a president, the prosecutor should not be permitted to even ask for an interview, much less coerce the appearance of the president with a subpoena unless he can show there is a serious crime that Trump is implicated in and that can’t be accessed through any other source, like Nixon with the tapes,” McCarthy continued.

“If you don’t have that kind of a scenario, then you as a prosecutor don’t have any business asking the president to answer some questions because you think it would be interesting. The Justice Department is supposed to be the body that steps in and makes sure that kind of stuff doesn’t happen.”

I am assuming the authenticity of the questions that Special Counsel Robert Mueller reportedly wants to ask President Trump. The questions indicate that, after a year of his own investigation and two years of FBI investigation, the prosecutor lacks evidence of a crime. Yet he seeks to probe the chief executive’s motives and thought processes regarding exercises of presidential power that were lawful, regardless of one’s view of their wisdom.

If Bob Mueller wants that kind of control over the executive branch, he should run for president. Otherwise, he is an inferior executive official who has been given a limited license — ultimately, by the chief executive — to investigate crime. If he doesn’t have an obvious crime, he has no business inventing one, much less probing his superior’s judgment. He should stand down.

When should a president be subject to criminal investigation?

It is a bedrock principle that no one is above the law. The Framers made clear that this includes the president. But, like everything else, bedrock principles do not exist in a vacuum. They vie with other principles.

Two competing considerations are especially significant here. First, our law-enforcement system is based on prosecutorial discretion. Under this principle, the desirability of prosecuting even a palpable violation of law must be balanced against other societal needs and desires. We trust prosecutors to perform this cost-benefit analysis with modesty about their mission and sensitivity to the disruption their investigations cause.

Second, the president is the most essential official in the world’s most consequential government. That government’s effectiveness is necessarily compromised if the president is under the cloud of an investigation. Not only are the president’s personal credibility and capability diminished; such an investigation discourages talented people from serving in an administration, further undermining good governance. The country is inexorably harmed because a suspect administration’s capacity to execute the laws and pursue the interests of the United States is undermined. Naturally, this is of little moment to rabid partisans who opposed the president’s election and object to his policy preferences. By and large, however, Americans are not rabid partisans; they want the elected president to be able to govern, regardless of which party is in charge.

Still, the president cannot be above the law. Executive powers are too awesome to abide presidential immunity from the laws and the limits on those powers. So how do we police the president while minimizing the damage that an investigation of the president can do to the country? We acknowledge that we are willing to endure this damage, but only if there is strong evidence that the

A president should not be subjected to prosecutorial scrutiny over poor judgment, venality, bad taste, or policy disputes. Absent concrete evidence that the president has committed a serious crime, the checks on the president should be Congress and the ballot box — and the civil courts, to the extent that individuals are harmed by abusive executive action. Otherwise, a special-counsel investigation — especially one staffed by the president’s political opponents — is apt to become a thinly veiled political scheme, enabling the losers to relitigate the election and obstruct the president from pursuing the agenda on which he ran.

That is what we are now witnessing.

Robert Mueller was appointed special counsel for two reasons:
(1) ostensibly to take over a counterintelligence probe;
(2) in reality, as a cave-in to (mostly) Democratic caviling over Trump’s firing of FBI director James Comey — which was lawful but incompetently executed. Democrats contended that Comey’s dismissal, in conjunction with Comey’s leak of Trump’s alleged pressure to drop the FBI’s investigation of Michael Flynn, warranted a criminal-obstruction probe. That is, the pretext of obstruction was added to “Russia-gate,” the already-existing pretext for carping about the purported need for a special counsel.
Neither of these reasons was a valid basis for a special-counsel investigation.

Prior to Comey’s firing, Democrat demands for a “Russia-gate” special counsel were rebuffed because they were nakedly political. Even if one accepts the dubious premise that Trump materially benefited from Kremlin interference in the election, there was no known credible evidence that he or his campaign committed a crime in that connection. If there had been such evidence, no one would ever have mentioned a counterintelligence investigation; they would have said a special counsel was being appointed to investigate, say, a hacking conspiracy — an actual violation of federal criminal law.

The Democrats did not want a special counsel in order to investigate a crime; they wanted a special counsel
(a) to promote a political narrative that Hillary Clinton lost because of something other than her lack of appeal and
(b) to frustrate Trump’s ability to govern — to mollify their “Resist!” base, to stop Trump from implementing policies they oppose, and to enhance their electoral hopes in the 2018 and 2020 cycles.

As for the second purported basis for Mueller’s appointment, the crime of obstruction, it cannot be established by lawful exercises of executive prerogatives. A president, of course, may not subvert an investigation by unlawful actions — e.g., by conspiring to suborn perjury or bribe witnesses (cf. Clinton, Nixon). Illegal acts could amount to actionable obstruction. But the president’s dismissal of subordinate executive officials (such as the FBI director), and his exercise of prosecutorial discretion (by merely weighing in on whether a person — here, Flynn — deserves to be investigated), are constitutional acts that are not judicially reviewable. Executive prerogatives that are not subject to judicial review may not be subjected to judicial review by indirection, under the guise of a prosecution.


This is not to say that lawful presidential actions are beyond reproach.
Acts that do not transgress the criminal law may nevertheless be despicable. It is not a crime, for example, for a president to use the Oval Office for extramarital trysts with an intern, or to lie to the public about people being able to keep their health insurance. Nor am I contending that lawful presidential actions are unreviewable: The president can be impeached — just as the president has plenary power to fire an executive subordinate, Congress has plenary power to determine what constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors.

If Congress believes that the president’s lawful exercise of an executive prerogative was corruptly motivated, Congress may remove the president. If, for example, there was a concrete basis to suspect the president of a crime, and the president pardoned his accomplices in return for their silence, the pardons would stand but Congress could impeach the president for abusing his power to conceal his misconduct.

But impeachment is not prosecution. If Congress believes that Trump has committed impeachable offenses, it is free to open an impeachment inquiry. Mueller is not Congress.

He does not report to Congress. He is a subordinate officer of the executive branch whose job is to investigate and (if merited) prosecute crimes specified by his Justice Department superiors. A special counsel is not supposed to be Congress’s lawyer for the purpose of investigating non-crimes that might nevertheless constitute impeachable abuses of power.



I am not a Trump fanboy.
The administration’s conflicting explanations for Comey’s firing, which Mueller wants to inquire about, were an embarrassment —

Being inconsolably upset about the outcome of the 2016 election does not entitle Democrats to an Oval Office minder with subpoena power. The actions and intentions Mueller seeks to probe are bases for political opposition to Trump, not prosecution. If you think his derelictions outweigh the positive policy outcomes of his presidency, then work to defeat him in the coming election cycles. But that is not prosecutor work.

Trump would be foolish to answer questions from Mueller, who has made a habit of turning witness interviews into false-statements prosecutions. More important, absent concrete evidence of his complicity in a serious crime, a president should not be put in the position of being pressured to answer a prosecutor’s questions. When Trump complains that the Obama Justice Department would never have permitted President Obama to be treated this way, he is right.

Put the president aside for a second. A Justice Department prosecutor would not be permitted to subpoena, say, a journalist or a lawyer, unless doing so was vital to the investigation of a serious crime — to the acquisition of critical information that was unavailable from any alternative source. The firewall that would prevent a heedless prosecutor from running roughshod over free-press principles or the attorney–client privilege is Justice Department leadership. It is astonishing that current Justice Department leadership apparently believes that the president of the United States, despite his responsibilities for our governance and security, is entitled to less deference.

Unless Mueller can demonstrate that a serious crime has been committed, that Trump was complicit in it, and that Trump is in possession of evidence that is essential to the prosecution, Rosenstein should bar him from seeking an interview, let alone issuing a subpoena demanding grand-jury testimony.

This Is Not Merely About Protecting Trump; It Is About Protecting The Office Of The Presidency.



 Whisky_River
Joined: 10/14/2017
Msg: 5110
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Posted: 5/3/2018 2:19:29 PM
Andrew McCarthy?
Isn't he an actor that wrote a book. I'm sure he would be someone I would listen to about law matters.

This Is Not Merely About Protecting Trump; It Is About Protecting The Office Of The Presidency.

Bingo!! No one is above the law.
Trump has proven over and over again he's an outright liar.
If you have nothing to hide...you hide nothing.
He's scared about something.....
 norwegianguy456
Joined: 6/11/2015
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Posted: 5/3/2018 2:37:23 PM

Gosh, it looks like the feds were wiretapping Cohen for weeks before his office was raided...

It wasn't wiretapping that they did, according to the release reports today -- there was a recent & important correction. It was just access to phone records. But, who knows, maybe they ended up getting a tap, but the point is -- the report was recently corrected, and was reported as tapping because it was a term that sounds like tapping, but in actuality -- it was just phone records.

That said, I think Guliani didn't do anything silly/dumb or "slip up". IMO, they were put in a spot. Everyone knows Trump knew about the Stormy situation, and did pay his lawyer back. It's just that T-Followers will believe he didn't, and will buy conspiracy theories from any direction that shoots down "liberals" (anyone left, right, or in-between who strongly question Our Dear Leader) -- so they kept it that way and lied to the press about it (no law breakage that way; but it further ruins the "Trump tells it like it is! You tell 'em Skeeter!" once they admit they were lying like they did last night).

So why release it? Because the Feds have the Evidence that he did. Change of lawyers to come right out with it. BUT, is there really any benefit to get it out there, tho? As, again, T-Followers will follow no matter what. It's all a big Deep State thing according to them because AM Radio & sub-culture says so.

But yes, there is a benefit: Cohen. Coming out with it helps take a weight off Cohen's back. "Don't talk, Cohen. We just alleviated you of secretly doing all this all by yourself , taking the brunt of all this. See? We got your back. Don't reveal confidential information to the Feds. Plead the fifth, don't talk about Anything. We'll bail you out."

Of course, Cohen's going to get grilled by the state of NY... which a President Cannot pardon you on (only by federal prosecutions).
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 5112
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Posted: 5/3/2018 2:46:44 PM
its Hillaryous, that people who went after Clinton for Whitewater, then Travelgate, then Vincent Foster's suicide, and then kept asking and poking and searching until they found a lie about marital cheating...are terrified someone will ask Chump a bunch of questions. Why fear a bunch of questions? If you're innocent, just answer the damn questions.

but what's truly S--t-Ass Hillaryous? To claim the DOJ needs adult supervision...and not say one damn thing about the Chump White House needing supervision. If you can't go far enough in your argument to admit the White House, which changes lawyers faster than underwear--for the same reason--then your argument holds zero water, b/c you flat out don't admit to the elephant in the room.

you have to work hard to ignore that simple, obvious fact. The FBI is going thru a crisis, no doubt about. COINTELPRO was bad enough, but there's a wonderful article I can't link to without locking up my laptop that goes into details of what the FBI has screwed up lately. Not doing much about the Bundy clan brandishing weapons, failing to jump on mass shooters when they were first reported, and Comey flapping his lips a week before the election. and so on.

and yet it doesn't hold a candle to a White House with zero direction, backstabbing by the leader, an intelligence branch and a State Dept that barely want to work with the Exec Branch to accomplish things for the country, a prez who shoots down TPP and then runs after it hoping to bring it back, a revolving door of employment...the failures are just epic. They shed people like a dog shaking off water. And now the doctor admits Chump wrote his own health report? I mean, they lie about EVEN THE SMALL STUFF!

its truly pitiful. the leader of the Free World is a joke...and soon will leave a vacuum of leadership for Russia or China to fill. Y'know what platform the Dems will run on? elect us, so we'll undo all the damage so you can be proud to be an American again.
 HawkingJr
Joined: 4/16/2007
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Posted: 5/3/2018 3:00:11 PM
“Being inconsolably upset about the outcome of the 2016 election does not entitle Democrats to an Oval Office minder with subpoena power.”

I don’t know how many times people have to point this out but: Robert Mueller is hardcore Republican, appointed to be the special counsel by hardcore Republican Rod Rosenstein, himself appointed to his position by President Donald Trump, whose Republican credentials are much more questionable than either Mueller or Rosenstein considering Trump has been registered as a Democrat, gave money to Hillary Clinton and previously ran as a Reform Party candidate. None of the people McCarthy expresses concern about pursuing Trump in that article are Democrats. I just read an article today about Rosenstein’s conservative Republican bona fides – he’s undoubtedly beside himself at this point as to how he got lumped into the same category as Clinton and Obama by Trump’s protectors.

In fact, Trump worshippers just need to quit pretending this is a Democratic vs. Republican situation. This is Trump vs. anti-Trump. I see it in conservative website message boards every day: regardless of your beliefs, if you’re not with Trump, you are against him. No more shining example exists than Alan Dershowitz, a liberal Democrat to the core, but he’s been defending Turmp to within an inch of his life (for some convoluted and perverted constitutional reading reasons), so now Trump worshippers have more positive things to say about him than conservative Republican standard bearers like Peggy Noonan, Bill Kristol and the Bush family, just because they dislike Trump and have spoken negatively about him. Are they any less conservative Republicans? Nope. Furthermore, it’s pretty much gotten to the point (actually, we’re probably far beyond that point) that Trump could start behaving like a lunatic liberal and his worshippers would go along with it and still lay their lives down for him.

No, this is not about “Protecting The Office Of The Presidency” – this is about protecting the Godking that it is Trump, because none of his worshippers gave a damn about protecting the presidency when Obama was in the office. Or Clinton. Or Carter. And to some extent the Bushes. In fact, it’s pretty much the people that want Trump out of the office that are protecting the presidency – before this point, you’d have trouble pinning the word “liar” on any president. Sure, Clinton lied about ONE thing. Sure, Nixon lied about ONE other thing. Sure, maybe Reagan knew more about Iran Contra than he was telling us and maybe Obama knew more about Fast & Furious than he was telling us. Maybe W kept repeating some bad intelligence he was given about Iraq. Certainly, many presidents were not able to keep many of their campaign promises, and in some cases probably even knew they couldn’t when they were saying them. But only with Trump will you find a president that has consistently and continuously lied about provable past events even when presented overwhelming proof to the contrary, and almost always to benefit himself. Now that is just plain dangerous, to have that sort of mentality leading the government, and even more dangerous is his ability to rope his supporters into his lies. His supporters keep hammering away with their conspiracy theories about the Deep State fighting him, when he himself is the Deepest State of all and bringing the entire U.S. government down to his level.

And ultimately you’ve got to ask yourself, if the only thing anti-Trumpers care about is getting a Democrat into office, then what good is impeaching and convicting him, when that’ll just lead to President Pence? But at least Pence seems to still be somewhat sane and stable and moderately honest, despite Trump’s influence. Perhaps he’ll return completely to his previous self once he’s no longer under Trump’s thumb.
 natural energy
Joined: 9/23/2006
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Posted: 5/3/2018 3:56:17 PM
I posted part of this on the Facebook thread.

Trevor Noah and Stephon Colbert are the only way I want to hear about US politics about Mr. Trump!
I need their humour when they convey this information about a person I cannot believe is in power now!

On Trevor's episode last night (Wed, May 2) he interviewed Michael Hayden, the former director of the National Security Agency and CIA about his book "Assault On Intelligence - American National Security in an Age of Lies". He talks about the layers ... the first layer being us, our political culture which has been named "the post truth world" in which the typical person makes their decisions based on emotion, preference, allegiance, tribe, grievance, etc ... not on facts and data.
Mr. Trump recognized this and exploited this .... he has worsened it with his behaviour and language, now with his presidency.
Mr. Putin recognized that this was occurring and has taken advantage of this and exploited this prior to Mr. Trump being elected in.
Mr. Putin tried this on the Norwegians, but it did not work. Norway was not a fractured society, as the US is.
He found the fractures, worsened them, then exploited them .... and this has worked on the US society. Basically he manipulated public opinion. Michael Hayden covers this in his book, and how "war" does not have to be a combative war, when you can weaken a society by manipulating public opinion to cause 'chaos" . He did not use the word "chaos" in the interview ... that is my word.

Social media is being used by these people to manipulate the general public and "worsen the fractures" in our current society.

Mr. Comey had also said, in an interview with Stephen Colbert on April 18, that he hopes that Mr. Trump does not get impeached ... that the US citizens must take responsibility for electing him, and then not electing him the next time! Everyone should go out and vote! I agree with him about the US citizen realizing what is occurring here, then not elect him in again, and more people actually voting ... however, I don't trust him for what destruction he may do in the meantime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-nGPNn19vE (Stephen interviewing James)
"My first reaction to those kinds of tweets is a shrug — like, ‘Oh, there he goes again.’ But actually then I caught myself and I said, ‘Wait a minute. If I’m shrugging, are the rest of the country shrugging? And does that mean we’ve become numb to this?’ It’s not O.K. for the president of the United States to say a private citizen should be in jail. It’s not normal, it’s not acceptable, it’s not O.K. But it’s happened so much, there’s a danger we’re now numb to it, and the norm has been destroyed. And I feel that norm destroying in my own shrug. So we can’t allow that to happen. We have to talk about it and call it out. It’s not O.K.” — JAMES COMEY

My view, after hearing all this, is that Mr. Putin was "smart" in manipulating the general US citizens via social media to cause chaos in the US (worsening the fractures), which resulted in Mr. Trump being elected .... a non intelligent figure head who continues to manipulate some of the US public with his emotional and reactional responses, and who is easily manipulated himself!
 ja6425
Joined: 1/16/2018
Msg: 5115
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/3/2018 4:16:19 PM
James Comey is in deep legal doo0doo. And when someone thinks the Andrew McCarthy people are talking about is an actor, that right there kinda shows that those posters haven't a clue about learning more about what is going on. What's new right??
 Whisky_River
Joined: 10/14/2017
Msg: 5116
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/3/2018 6:26:39 PM

Good news is the Mexicans said they will pay for the Impeachment of Trump.
 halforhalfnot
Joined: 9/13/2016
Msg: 5117
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/3/2018 7:03:24 PM
I'm pretty sure a GoFundMe campaign would raise all the money you need. With enough left over to cover the deficit.
 Llove2LaughToo
Joined: 4/14/2018
Msg: 5118
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/3/2018 7:06:50 PM

Msg: 5109
So I guess you cannot be a liar if you believe something to be true despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary and being told many times by numerous sources that what you're saying repeatedly is "incorrect." This is the thing that Trump has done that is more dangerous than all other things that he has done: he has made it impossible to be a "liar," because so long as you believe what you're saying, then you are not lying.


This reminds me of George Constanza famous quote:

"just remember, it's not a lie.....if you believe it....."


https://youtu.be/vn_PSJsl0LQ


MAGA: My Attorney Gossips A.... .....lot
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 5119
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/4/2018 4:21:39 AM
"Good news is the Mexicans said they will pay for the Impeachment of Trump."

They should also send Trump a box of Lego's and say "Here's your wall that we paid for, Trump."
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 5120
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/4/2018 4:33:11 AM
It was Hillaryous on the late shows last night, Rude Fooliani being tripped up by Faux Friends into admitting the payment had to do with the campaign...if he's so easily tripped up by his own side, he's dog meat in front of a good prosecutor. The stove timer on Fooliani's time as Chump lawyer begins....now. As for Comey being in trouble, well, couldn't happen to a better FBI guy, could it? The FBI has had issues since COINTELPRO...but liberals have been saying that since the 1950's and J. Edgar Hoover. Its nice the law and order Repubs finally woke up and got as smart as an average liberal.

the clueless are finally getting clued in. I guess Chump has accomplished that, showing his own people the emperor has no clothes.

what dumb thing will he ramble on about at the NRA this weekend? 'cause you know he's going to go far off script as usual. the original loose cannon, at a gun show. remember when he claimed he wasn't afraid of the NRA? now they're his base, well, some of them are. the rest are too intelligent. maybe the Russian bankers who donated to the NRA to help Chump will show up and give some advice.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 5121
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/4/2018 6:37:01 AM
"what dumb thing will he ramble on about at the NRA this weekend?"

Trump is all about people stroking his fragile ego, so naturally, he's going to put on his "Guns are great. Guns rock" hat on and agree with the NRA motto that the solution to gun violence is having more guns on the streets and arming school teachers, so that people will cheer and applaud him.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 5122
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/4/2018 8:26:51 AM
oh, they'll toss out plenty of "get out and vote" raw meat to the gunumbnuts. There's no black man in office to scare them into buying their 15th AR-15 before the New World Order and Sarah Palin's Death Panels arrive from their wet dreams, but the NRA can still sell the fear of Nancy Pelosi showing up at the front door of their bunker. I'm thinking, tho, Chump will do his usual, and make a speech that sounds like another campaign rally. He'll quote some statistic that is totally wrong, make a comment about Chicago and then sneak in one about a wall protecting us from...well, you know (as he smirks that sh%% eating grin).

anyone want to guess what other usual Chump subjects he'll bring up?
 Whisky_River
Joined: 10/14/2017
Msg: 5123
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/4/2018 11:11:57 AM
NO COLLUSION....WITCH HUNT....CROOKED HILLARY/DEMOCRATS.....will be for sure talking points.
I am the Greatest, the Best......Biggest....we are great friends with the NRA.

I see he's thrown his buddy under the bus....so typical.
Even though...he tweeted support for him yesterday.
What a pair of fools.
 APRILIKESWHITEROSES
Joined: 4/6/2018
Msg: 5124
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/4/2018 2:15:11 PM
President Trump said on Twitter:

Andy McCarthy will be on @ Lou Dobbs tonight. 7:00 P.M. , @ Fox Business.


He also said this:

All of us here today are united by the same timeless values.
We believe that our liberty is a gift from our creator, and that no Government can ever take it away.
We believe in the rule of law - and we support the men and women of law enforcement.
We have pride in our history...
 halforhalfnot
Joined: 9/13/2016
Msg: 5125
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/4/2018 2:37:04 PM
Surely to God even you can see the hypocrisy in that. He doesn't believe any of those things.

He spends almost as much time praising tyrants around the world as he does attacking the men and women of law enforcement.
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