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 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 5276
ah, another meltdown of flakey deplorablePage 212 of 215    (175, 176, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200, 201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 213, 214, 215)
"now Johnny, let's talk about how the FBI investigation into Chump WAS NOT revealed days before the election, while an investigation ATTEMPT on HRC was revealed and then reversed. So which hurt which candidate more, Super-duper double secret Johnny? "

still no answer? waiting on Faux News to tell you what to say? C'mon, Super Double secret Johnny, think for yourself for once, give us your own opinion for once :) I super duper dare ya!

As for the New York slime (I don't know why you call Fooliani that, but I see the truth is sneaking out of you) he does have you right where he wants you. It will be Hillaryous if Chump exposes the super duper top secret double probation source....it will be the Valerie Plame scandal all over again! I wonder which member of the Chump administration will turn into Scooter Libby and go to jail, along with all the other members who have been arrested?

you heard a story from a friend of a brother of a son of a dude...that some woman spent three days in bed? if she was hot, maybe we were making whoopee :) Hopefully soon, Faux News can give you some talking points and you'll have better lies to tell. meanwhile, something more to deflect--Chump made a deal with China in return for China investing in his Indonesia project. How does that relate to his campaign promises to:

1) drain the swamp

2) to stop HRC's pay=to-play

3) to stop China taking American jobs?
 ja6425
Joined: 1/16/2018
Msg: 5277
The loss of liberal thinking
Posted: 5/18/2018 7:27:35 AM
Oh gosh gut, your reading comprehension still has not gotten better. You need to stay away(fat chance) from liberal media. You know, the ones that got so upset about a president calling MS-13 members as animals. They twisted the story(wow, that's a new one...not) and you ate it up. Expand your thinking, would actually be good for you!!! And quit breathing those old musty car fumes!
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 5278
Comrade Trump is the Lying King
Posted: 5/18/2018 11:43:52 AM
Well, if you needed further proof of how dim and illiterate this "precedent" [sic] is;
Apparently he asked bill gates what the difference between HIV and HPV was, not just once, but twice!!

-Other questions he might well have asked: "what's the difference between herpes and harpies?"
"Does the "prince of wales" actually ride whales?"
And; "Is a meerkat actually a cat?"

But true to form, and much to gates' discomfort; he had paid scrupulous attention to detail where Gates' 22-year-old daughter was concerned.

He's trying to get the n Korea talks back on-track, by telling Kim that if he doesn't make a deal, he'll end up like gadaffi.
-That should do it.... He's such a "great negotiator"

Kim called Bolton; "repugnant"..... well d'Uh!!!
(-Never mind the fact that NATO were encouraging and backing an uprising in Libya, and I don't see any signs of that sort of civil disobedience in n Korea.)

He's also stopping funding for planned parenthood.
-Gotta control those women's bodies.
It's what "god wants" apparently, funny how only men seem to know that...
Apparently, menstruation was "god's punishment" on all of them, forever,
- because that "eve" was "such a slut" (I'm probably paraphrasing here, I can't remember the exact quote )

He also claims that Obama IMBEDDED[sic] a "spy" in his campaign.
-Presumably, as some sort of "failsafe", in case a toaster stopped transmitting...
-Dastardly, and difficult to spot, among all the Russian spies who were already working for him, I would imagine....

And yet another mass shooting at a school.
It's been 22 years since our last one here.
Trump's "plan" is to arm everybody : the teachers, the principles, the janitors, the students...
(The only people who don't need to be armed are the super-heroes like Trump, who would be able to rush the shooter, unarmed.....)
-This "plan" is based on "the old lady who swallowed a fly" song, one of the few literary works which trump has memorised.
The NRA concur.
-Naturally, they paid him to say it.
And that's just today!
Phew.
Have a good weekend.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 5279
those who give up liberty for security, deserve neither
Posted: 5/18/2018 11:46:44 AM
“We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in — we’re stopping a lot of them,” Mr. Trump said in the Cabinet Room during an hourlong meeting that reporters were allowed to document. “You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people, these are animals, and we’re taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that’s never happened before.”

>>>yeah, everyone can see where Chump meant....ONLY one group of people, the MS-13. Oh, and where does that gang come from, anyway? oh yeah, the last batch of miscreants we deported, started it in their home country. We create the problem for someone else, then we whine about the blowback. typical.

meanwhile, the GOP screwed farmers yet again, as if the trade war wasn't enough. Why can't the GOP just leave poor people alone to live?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/conservative-revolt-over-immigration-sinks-house-farm-bill/ar-AAxtdId?ocid=spartandhp

and another school shooting with a flintlock rifle--oops, an AR-15, what a surprise. The NRA will be along soon to hold a massive gun show in solidarity. and Chump will come to stump and talk about how great he is.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 5280
Comrade Trump is the Lying King
Posted: 5/18/2018 12:22:46 PM

And yet another mass shooting at a school.
It's been 22 years since our last one here.

By coincidence, there have been 22 school shootings in the States in just the past 5 1/2 months. And, of course, Trump does his best at faking being solemn with:



My administration is determined to do everything in our power to protect our students, secure our schools, and to keep weapons out of the hands of those who pose a threat to themselves and to others. Everyone must work together at every level of government to keep our children safe.

May God heal the injured and may God comfort the wounded and may God be with the victims and with the victims' families.


His last about face re the NRA was typical and expected and I don't see him or his spineless party changing any time soon. Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers. There, that ought to take care of it. Funny how those thoughts and prayers don't stop it from happening in the first place, either that or this is a huge case of turning the other cheek per the Sermon on the Mount - instead of "turning the other cheek", in present day it's become "offer up another school". The lack of anything meaningful being done and those supporting no changes to gun law regulations is just as evil as what is being done by the perpetrators. Not to worry though...just pray and all will be forgiven.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 5281
those who give up liberty for security, deserve neither
Posted: 5/18/2018 12:25:47 PM
Trump will come out with his NRA approved message, that the solution to school killings is to arm teachers with guns. What could possibly go wrong if gunmen and teachers are having a shootout in a school? That's providing that teachers are able to get to where the guns are stored, unlock the gun cabinet, and get to the location of the gunman. The
gunmen don't usually hang around long enough for all of that to happen.
 BBEisBack
Joined: 9/16/2015
Msg: 5282
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History
More Fake News......
Posted: 5/18/2018 4:36:58 PM

and another school shooting with a flintlock rifle--oops, an AR-15, what a surprise.


The facts aren't dramatic enough for you, you got to make crap up.....

Not the first time for you, anyone else remember this?
Maybe a hat would protect your head from the sun.....


If memory serves, United used to be USAirways, and those like my father who flew it often, called it Useless. They could very well be the WalMart of the skies. The last time I flew an airline was when it was convenient--get your ticket and go. Now you have to plan so far in advance for every problem, its like taking a Conestoga over the Rockies.


Not a AR-15 and there is no connection between United & USAirways.....
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 5283
More Fake News......
Posted: 5/18/2018 5:35:23 PM
^^^ You focus on the weapon as opposed to the deed. How silly. And in the grand scheme of things, who cares about the type of weapon.

This is another sad and pathetic day of "our thoughts and prayers". I'm thinking that Marmalade Mussolini should shove his "thoughts and prayers" where the moon don't shine and maybe just STFU. I can't wait to see what the kids from Parkland have to say, they are the ones that have the smarts, not Marmalade Mussolini. They are a force to be reckoned with and will be through to the next elections.


Trump will come out with his NRA approved message, that the solution to school killings is to arm teachers with guns. What could possibly go wrong if gunmen and teachers are having a shootout in a school? That's providing that teachers are able to get to where the guns are stored, unlock the gun cabinet, and get to the location of the gunman. The
gunmen don't usually hang around long enough for all of that to happen.


Nailed it. Spot on. Imagine, a 5 time draft evader giving instructions to arm teachers. What a moron.
 Tootiefrutie1
Joined: 12/8/2015
Msg: 5284
More Fake News......
Posted: 5/18/2018 5:39:11 PM
"Not a AR-15 "

Golly gee. Good thing the shooter didn't have an AR-15 with an extended round 100 magazine, or there would have certainly been more killed.

United v. USAirways is a poor analogy. Try to use the gifts God gave you to substantiate the indefensible.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 5285
More Fake News......
Posted: 5/18/2018 6:23:19 PM
yeah, I did get the gun incorrect from initial reports. Could be worse, I could have insisted a bolt action rifle and an AR-15 are the same, like some posters. As for "no connection between United and US Airways", I was going off memory like I said, and well...this must have been the connection I was dredging up:

"Ugh, here we go again. If I had a nickel for every time United (UAUA) and US Airways (LCC) talked about merging, I'd be a rich man, and well... here we are again. The New York Times reports that United and US Airways are in serious discussions about a merger. I hate to even write about this, because I can't see it happening."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-and-us-airways-why-the-merger-wont-happen/

oh, something else I was wrong about...the NRA already had their annual conference there earlier this month. it might look rude if they show up there again. Too bad the punk lost his nerve to kill himself, after killing others. Moving on....apparently there were already "good guys with guns", so how would armed teachers help?

"Mr. Abbott said two police officers had been on the campus at the time at the attack — as envisioned by the school’s safety plan — and that they were “able to confront the shooter early on in the process.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/10-dead-in-santa-fe-texas-school-shooting-suspect-used-shotgun-and-revolver/ar-AAxtVda?OCID=ansmsnnews11
 ja6425
Joined: 1/16/2018
Msg: 5286
More Fake News......
Posted: 5/19/2018 12:26:28 AM
"The facts aren't dramatic enough for you, you got to make crap up.....

Not the first time for you, anyone else remember this?"

^^^^^^^Ya, we see this all the time from gto, he can't help it!!
 Llove2LaughToo
Joined: 4/14/2018
Msg: 5287
What good things has Mueller accomplished?
Posted: 5/19/2018 2:21:00 AM

What good things has Mueller accomplished?


Hey look, Manafort's former son in law pleads guilty and is flipping/cooperating with Mueller. Looks like Mueller is draining the swamp.

MAGA: My Attorney Got Arrested.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 5288
When do you know Chump lies? oh yeah,any time his lips move
Posted: 5/19/2018 5:13:31 AM
"yeah, we see this all the time"

>>.and yet the claim about no connection between two airlines wasn't correct, and you didn't see that :) Meanwhile, Johnny's heart is going to break again:

"F.B.I. agents sent an informant to talk to two campaign advisers only after they received evidence that the pair had suspicious contacts linked to Russia during the campaign. The informant, an American academic who teaches in Britain, made contact late that summer with one campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, according to people familiar with the matter. He also met repeatedly in the ensuing months with the other aide, Carter Page, who was also under F.B.I. scrutiny for his ties to Russia."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-used-informant-to-investigate-russia-ties-to-campaign-not-to-spy-as-trump-claims/ar-AAxuh6r?ocid=spartanntp

so they weren't spying on Chump, they were doing their job--investigating suspicious behavior of America's enemies, with people who were found to be guilty. now there's your example of making the facts seem dramatic by intentionally getting it wrong!

another fake scandal, made from fake news...giving Trumpanzees fake hope.
 flowersinthelake
Joined: 5/11/2018
Msg: 5289
view profile
History
When do you know Chump lies? oh yeah,any time his lips move
Posted: 5/19/2018 7:09:53 AM
Trumptrash on dating sites: RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
 flowersinthelake
Joined: 5/11/2018
Msg: 5290
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History
Chump's lies and deeds speak for themselves.
Posted: 5/19/2018 7:14:07 AM

❄Democrats are delicate❄ The best part of the debates was when Hillary said that she felt uncomfortable with Trump on the stage with her.


Who wants to feel comfortable around a child rapist, with small hands touching everything and everybody?
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 5291
Chump's lies and deeds speak for themselves.
Posted: 5/19/2018 7:44:17 AM
Gee, I don't understand why she would feel uncomfortable when Trump quietly went over and stood behind her when she was speaking. I guess Trump was upset that the spotlight wasn't on him the entire time, and had to share the spotlight with Hillary.
 Whisky_River
Joined: 10/14/2017
Msg: 5292
Chump's lies and deeds speak for themselves.
Posted: 5/19/2018 8:41:59 AM
The guy is just plain creepy...
Any man who talks about dating his own daughter is creepy.

 Llove2LaughToo
Joined: 4/14/2018
Msg: 5293
Comrade Trump is the Lying King
Posted: 5/19/2018 8:43:59 AM
What a bunch a crybabies, these treasonous criminals had suspicious contacts linked to Russia during the campaign, and now they are whining that the FBI sent an informant to investigate them.

The FBI was doing their job. Enough whining from Trump and his sad sack loser voters. They are irrelevant, he is irrelevant. Impeached man walking.

This is what happens when a paranoid freak gets voted in by paranoid freaks, paranoia abounds.

MAGA: My Attorney Got Arrested.


Trump Says the Justice Department Is 'Out to Frame' Him

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump on Friday used his Twitter account to advance an unverified theory circulating among conservatives that the Justice Department planted a spy in his 2016 campaign and is now “out to frame him.”

http://time.com/5282130/trump-twitter-justice-department/
 APRILIKESWHITEROSES
Joined: 4/6/2018
Msg: 5294
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/19/2018 9:34:34 AM
^^^^

The truth can never be hidden. Never.!!
Neither time manages to cover it up;
It's like the oil in the water: it's always separated, it doesn't mix.
Liberals should know this simple rule of life.!



God bless and guide president Trump.!!





=============================================
By Andrew C. McCarthy


It is against Justice Department policy to confirm the existence of an investigation, especially counterintelligence investigations, which are classified.
Director Comey would have had to lobby hard to get authorization for this statement . . . although perhaps not too hard since Attorney General Jeff Sessions had by then recused himself from the Trump–Russia probe, leaving no other confirmed Trump appointees at the time — the Trump-Russia investigation was being overseen by Obama holdovers.


=======



In Politicized Justice, Desperate Times Call for Disparate Measures
By Andrew C. McCarthy


FBI director Comey and the Obama Justice Department applied a double standard in their handling of the Clinton-email and Trump–Russia investigations.

We wuz robbed. That’s the theme Democrats and their media allies are working hard to cement into wisdom. And robbed in a very specific way: The 2016 presidential election, we’re to believe, was stolen from Hillary Clinton by disparate treatment. As Democrats tell it, the FBI scandalized their candidate while protecting Donald Trump.

You might think peddling that story with a straight face would be a major challenge. But they figure it may work because it was test-driven by the FBI’s then-director, James Comey, in his now infamous press conference on July 5, 2016 — back when the law-enforcement and intelligence apparatus on which we rely to read the security tea leaves was simply certain that Mrs. Clinton would win.

If you or I had set up an unauthorized private communications system for official business for the patent purpose of defeating federal record-keeping and disclosure laws; if we had retained and transmitted thousands of classified emails on this non-secure system; if we had destroyed tens of thousands of government records; if we had carried out that destruction while those records were under subpoena; if we had lied to the FBI in our interview — well, we’d be writing this column from the federal penitentiary in Leavenworth. Yet, in a feat of dizzying ratiocination, Director Comey explained that to prosecute Mrs. Clinton would be to hold her to a nitpicking, selective standard of justice not imposed on other Americans.

So it was that the New York Times, in this week’s 4,100-word exposé on the origins of the FBI’s Trump–Russia probe, recycled the theme: Government investigators were savagely public about Clinton’s trifling missteps while keeping mum about the Manchurian candidate’s treasonous conspiracy with Putin.

As we contended in rebuttal on Thursday, the Times’ facts are selective and its narrative theme of disparate treatment is hogwash: Clinton’s bid was saved, not destroyed, by Obama’s law-enforcement agencies, which tanked a criminal case on which she should have been indicted. And the hush-hush approach taken to the counterintelligence case against Donald Trump was not intended to protect the Republican candidate; it was intended to protect the Obama administration from the specter of a Watergate-level scandal had its spying on the opposition party’s presidential campaign been revealed.

But let’s put that aside. Let’s consider the disparate-treatment claim on its own terms.
The DNC Server

It has now been confirmed that the Trump campaign was subjected to spying tactics under counterintelligence law — FISA surveillance, national-security letters, and covert intelligence operatives who work with the CIA and allied intelligence services. It made no difference, apparently, that there was an ongoing election campaign, which the FBI is supposed to avoid affecting; nor did it matter that the spy targets were American citizens, as to whom there is supposed to be evidence of purposeful, clandestine, criminal activity on behalf of a foreign power before counterintelligence powers are invoked.

But what was the rationale for using these spying authorities?

The fons et origo of the counterintelligence investigation was the suspicion — which our intelligence agencies assure us is a fact — that the Democratic National Committee’s server was hacked by covert Russian operatives. Without this cyber-espionage attack, there would be no investigation. But how do we know it really happened? The Obama Justice Department never took custody of the server — no subpoena, no search warrant. The server was thus never subjected to analysis by the FBI’s renowned forensics lab, and its evidentiary integrity was never preserved for courtroom presentation to a jury.

How come? Well, you see, there was an ongoing election campaign, so the Obama Justice Department figured it would be a terrible imposition to pry into the Democrats’ communications. So, yes, the entire “Russia hacked the election” narrative the nation has endured for nearly two years hinges on the say-so of CrowdStrike, a private DNC contractor with significant financial ties to the Clinton campaign.

In Investigations 101, using foreign-intelligence authorities to spy on Americans is extraordinary, while taking custody of essential physical evidence is basic. By the way, the government’s failure to ensure the evidentiary integrity of the DNC server by taking possession of it and performing its own rigorous testing on it makes it practically impossible to prosecute anyone for “colluding” in Russia’s cyber-espionage. It’s tough to prove that anyone conspired in something unless you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the something actually happened the way you say it happened. To do that in a courtroom, you need evidence — a confident probability analysis by your intelligence agencies won’t do.

The Espionage Act v. the Logan Act

Here is then-director Comey’s explanation of why Mrs. Clinton should not be indicted for patent felony violations of the Espionage Act’s provisions on mishandling classified information:
Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.
In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

This statutory analysis is gibberish.!! Notwithstanding that Mrs. Clinton’s actions were intentional and willful, the Espionage Act does not require proof of that mental state. Despite considerable evidence that she obstructed investigations, it’s not necessary to prove that either. Nor to establish disloyalty or any intent to harm the United States. To avoid indicting Mrs. Clinton, the FBI and Justice Department ignored the statute that has been on the books for a century and substituted an impossible-to-prove statute of their imagination.

Now, let’s consider a statute that’s been on the books for over two centuries, the Logan Act.

Despite the absence of any evidence that the Trump campaign conspired in Russia’s espionage, the Obama Justice Department — led by then–acting attorney general Sally Yates — relied on the Logan Act to conduct a criminal investigation of General Michael Flynn, a 30-year decorated combat veteran. A key Trump campaign adviser who played a central role in the Trump transition and was designated as the incoming national-security adviser, it was Flynn’s job to communicate with such foreign counterparts as Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, a Washington fixture whose dance card has never been short on Democrats. Flynn was also an intense Obama critic, and the outgoing administration understood that he was preparing to reverse Obama policies.

The Obama Justice Department and FBI investigated Flynn — including an ambush interview — on the theory that his discussions with Kislyak and other diplomats violated the Logan Act. Currently codified as Section 953 of the federal penal code, this statute purports to criminalize “any correspondence or intercourse” with agents of a foreign sovereign conducted “without authority of the United States” — an impossibly vague term that probably means permission from the executive branch. The Logan Act is patently unconstitutional, but no court has had the opportunity to invalidate it because, to borrow a phrase, no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. As our Dan McLaughlin has explained, the Act dates to 1799, a dark time for free-speech rights during the John Adams administration. Never in its 219-year history has it resulted in a single conviction; indeed, there have been only two indictments, the last one in 1852.

By contrast, there have been several prosecutions under the Espionage Act, including several convictions of military personnel prosecuted under the same provisions at issue in Mrs. Clinton’s case — although their misconduct was far less extensive.

Incidentally, in the ambush interview, Flynn, without counsel and apparently unaware that he was being questioned as a suspect, was grilled about what was said in a conversation with Kislyak. There was no intelligence need to do this because the FBI had a recording of the conversation. The agents who questioned Flynn, including counterespionage specialist Peter Strzok, determined that Flynn did not lie to them.

He was later prosecuted by the special counsel for lying to the FBI.


Truth or Consequences

Speaking of lying to the FBI, Mrs. Clinton — during the brief interview the FBI conducted after Director Comey’s speech exonerating her was already written — told agents she did not know what the designation “(C)” in classified documents meant. She claimed to have assumed it might have had something to do with putting paragraphs in alphabetical order, notwithstanding the absence of any (A), (B), or (D) paragraphs.

Patently, this was a false statement: Mrs. Clinton, who was in the Senate for eight years, was indoctrinated in classified-information practice on becoming secretary of state, a position in which classified documents abound. She signed an acknowledgment that she understood her obligations and had read the relevant executive orders on classification — the main one had been issued by her husband. (C), which stands for confidential, the lowest level of classification, is a ubiquitous marking in classified documents, well known to officials with security clearances. But Mrs. Clinton had falsely told the public she had never sent or received any documents “marked classified,” so she needed to pretend that she didn’t know what the classified markings meant.

She wasn’t prosecuted, of course. She got to run for president. Her underlings weren’t prosecuted either — Clinton confidants Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin both told the FBI they were unaware that Clinton was using a private server while they worked for four years as her top State Department staffers; as the Daily Caller’s Chuck Ross points out, Mills explicitly asked Abedin about the server in a 2010 email.

Paul Combetta, the Platte River Networks technician who serviced Clinton’s homebrew server and applied the “BleachBit” program to destroy tens of thousands of her emails, lied to the FBI in his initial interviews; far from being prosecuted in order to squeeze him for cooperation, he was given immunity. With no fear that there was any interest in prosecuting him, Combetta proceeded to tell a risible story about why he destroyed the emails, transparently protecting Clinton and her subordinates.

That’s not quite the way things go in the Trump–Russia investigation. General Flynn and three other subjects — George Papadopoulos, Richard Gates, Alex van der Zwaan — have been prosecuted for making false statements in FBI interviews. None of the false statements alleged had anything to do with Russia’s cyber-espionage attack on the 2016 election, the ostensible subject matter of Mueller’s investigation. (Unlike the Clinton probe, where the defense lawyers worked closely with the Justice Department, the defense lawyers in the Trump probe are not allowed to know the scope of Mueller’s investigative authority.)

Immunity v. Scorched Earth

The Obama Justice Department’s failure to compel production of the DNC’s server by subpoena or warrant was not an aberration — at least when it came to Democrats. It was standard practice in the Clinton-emails investigation to resist use of the grand jury; to negotiate with custodians over the production of essential evidence that could easily have been compelled by grand jury subpoena (such as the laptops used by Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson to vet Mrs. Clinton’s 60,000 emails). If there seemed any possibility that physical evidence could contain incriminating information, the custodian was granted immunity from prosecution.

In stark contrast, the Virginia home of Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman, was raided by the FBI in the predawn hours. Special Counsel Mueller’s prosecutors convinced a judge to authorize a no-knock entry — essentially, a break-in — prior to 6 a.m. Agents entered with guns drawn while Manafort and his wife were in bed asleep. The couple was ordered out of bed and detained, while agents searched their home and seized voluminous documents. At the time, Manafort was voluntarily cooperating with congressional investigators, had provided testimony and documents to one committee the day before, and was scheduled to do the same with a different committee later on the day of the raid. Manafort was also represented by prominent Washington defense counsel, who would willingly have accepted service of a subpoena and produced the materials sought by the special counsel.

The special counsel decided even-handed justice would be better served by a frightening raid in which agents got to grab whatever they chose to grab.

Attorney–Client Privilege or Privileged Client’s Attorneys?

One is tempted to say that Mrs. Clinton, a Yale-educated lawyer, frustrated the probe of her email scandal by inserting lawyers at every critical phase — her work at the State Department; her retention, review, and destruction of emails; her flouting of a congressional subpoena demanding emails; her FBI interview. But to say that the probe was “frustrated” would imply that Obama Justice Department officials were serious about investigating and prosecuting Clinton, which they manifestly were not. Justice Department lawyers worked closely with Clinton’s counsel to restrict what questions the FBI would be permitted to ask and what physical evidence agents would be permitted to examine. This was the attorney–client privilege on steroids, invoked at every turn to close off basic lines of inquiry.

This would not be tolerated in any normal case. A person’s status as a lawyer is not immunity from investigation or prosecution. The attorney–client privilege covers only private communications in the nature of legal advice; and if the lawyer and client are involved in a criminal or otherwise fraudulent scheme, their conversations are not privileged.

But the indulgence of attorney–client claims to impede investigators was especially egregious in the Clinton-emails case because it was a flagrant violation of professional rules and federal law. Attorneys Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson worked for Clinton at the State Department and were deeply involved in determining which emails Clinton surrendered to the State Department and which she destroyed. Canons of professional ethics forbid a lawyer from taking on representation of a client if the lawyer is an actor in the facts under investigation. They bar a lawyer who is a former government official from representing clients in matters in which the lawyer was involved while working for the government. Moreover, it is a federal crime (under Section 207 of the penal code) for a former government official to attempt to influence the government on behalf of another person in a matter in which the former official was heavily involved while working for the government.

Despite all of that, the Justice Department and FBI not only failed to object to Mills’s and Samuelson’s representation of Clinton; they permitted these lawyers to sit in as counsel representing Clinton in her FBI interview — during which she was questioned about activities undertaken with Mills and Samuelson.

Is this how things work in the Trump–Russia investigation? Not exactly. Mueller has gone to court to force one lawyer to testify against her clients Manafort and Gates. Another Manafort and Gates lawyer, Alex van der Zwaan, has been convicted for making false statements about a conversation with Gates. In the related case of Michael Cohen, President Trump’s lawyer and self-proclaimed “fixer,” FBI agents raided his residences and office, executing search warrants procured by federal prosecutors in New York.

What Does It ‘Matter’?

As the 2016 race heated up, the Clinton campaign zealously fought the notion that Hillary was the subject of a criminal investigation — which is not an easy thing to do when you’re the subject of a criminal investigation. It was just a “security referral,” the campaign insisted to the New York Times (which dutifully “corrected” its originally correct reporting on the case).

In what I’m sure was a total coincidence, Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who stood a very good chance of keeping her coveted job in a Hillary Clinton administration, gave FBI Director Comey an order: In his public statements and testimony, he was instructed to refer to the Clinton emails probe as a “matter,” not an investigation — otherwise, what might people think the Federal Bureau of Investigation was up to? This may have been an improper, politically motivated attempt to influence an FBI criminal probe, but on this occasion, there were no leaks to the New York Times about it; Comey complied, calculating that Lynch’s politicization of the, er, “matter” was not “a hill worth dying on.”

The director’s sympathetic savvy was again on display in the writing of his speech exonerating Mrs. Clinton. There was, of course, the delicate matter of President Obama’s knowing exchanges of sensitive email via Clinton’s server. The initial draft’s reference to “the President” was soon watered down to “a senior government official.” In the end, it was dropped altogether — purging any reference to Obama’s involvement. And of course, the director’s description of Clinton’s conduct as “grossly negligent” was amended to “extremely careless” because gross negligence is the mental state required for conviction in the Espionage Act — after all, this was this was supposed to be an exoneration statement, not an indictment.

The director took a markedly different tack in the Trump–Russia investigation. Here is the key section of his House testimony on March 20, 2017:

I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed.

It is against Justice Department policy to confirm the existence of an investigation, especially counterintelligence investigations, which are classified. Director Comey would have had to lobby hard to get authorization for this statement . . . although perhaps not too hard since Attorney General Jeff Sessions had by then recused himself from the Trump–Russia probe, leaving no other confirmed Trump appointees at the time — the Trump-Russia investigation was being overseen by Obama holdovers.

It is never proper to announce that American citizens are persons of interest in a counterintelligence probe. Since the purpose of such a probe is to gather intelligence, not to prosecute, it would be deeply misleading and prejudicial to speak of such persons as the focus of an FBI investigation. And it was sheer gratuitousness to cap off this testimony with Comey’s observation that there would be “an assessment of whether any crimes were committed.” That is not a regular part of a counterintelligence investigation (it is simply a fact that when investigators stumble upon evidence of a crime, they need not ignore it — something that is always true and therefore never has to be said).

At the time he made this statement, Director Comey had repeatedly assured President Trump that he was not a criminal suspect. As would have been known by any sensible person, and particularly one as sophisticated as Comey, this astonishing congressional testimony by an FBI director can only have signaled to the media and the public that the president of the United States was under investigation for serious crimes.

But other than that, I suppose you could say the Justice Department and the FBI handled the Clinton and Trump cases exactly the same way.

Equal justice under the law, right?


Andrew C. McCarthy —
 Whisky_River
Joined: 10/14/2017
Msg: 5295
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/19/2018 9:40:05 AM
^^^I guess...Don't fraternize with the Russians and lie about it...
Seems pretty simple....to me.
 ja6425
Joined: 1/16/2018
Msg: 5296
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/19/2018 9:54:17 AM
Great article by Andy McCarthy^^^^^^^^^^

Of course the liberals in here will never read it and if they did would never be able to comprehend simple reading.

The scandalous democrats are coming home to roost!!!

Liberals keep wondering why anyone talks about corrupt hillary. We all want to know why she is on TV and in the news all the time still quacking and talking nonsense. You know damn well the scandalous liberals wish she would go with billy(if she even knows where he is) and leave the party.
 Llove2LaughToo
Joined: 4/14/2018
Msg: 5297
Comrade Trump is the Lying King
Posted: 5/19/2018 10:17:33 AM

Msg: 5296
The truth can never be hidden. Never.!!
Neither time manages to cover it up;
It's like the oil in the water: it's always separated, it doesn't mix.
Liberals should know this simple rule of life.!


Are you talking to me? I have asked you a question (5) times, in English and in Spanish, and you completely ignored it.

The truth can never be hidden? Your treasonous corrupt paranoid president is trying to hide his crimes.

Does Valerie Plame rings a bell to you? Why are Republicans always outing FBI operatives and putting Amrican lives and their family lives at risk? Outing an FBI agent and putting them in harms way is considered a treasonous act, no one should ever out an American agent. America will become less safe if Republicans continue revealing the identity of our agents. This is dangerous to our national security, this could kill Americans. I am sure people were killed overseas when Valerie Plane was outed by Scooter Libby.

Like I said, these treasonous criminals had suspicious contacts linked to Russia during the campaign, and now they are whining that the FBI sent an informant to investigate them. Bottom line is, this was a counterintelligence operation, the outcome which it was to stop a foreign adversary from successfuly running an operation. This was started because Russia was engaged in an operation to harm our country by interfering with our election. The goal is to find out if any Americans helped Russia to harm us. If you take a meeting with a Russian, it needs to be reported to the FBI, is that simple.

Let me ask you for the (6th) time:
"as a christian woman, have you ever witnessed Comrade Trump lie to the American people? Is it ok to you how your president lies every day?"

Esta es la sexta vez que te hago esta pregunta:
"has escuchado alguna vez al Camarada Trump decirle una mentira al pueblo Americano? Estas de acuerdo como el presidente tuyo miente diariamente?"

MAGA: My Attorney Got Arrested.
 Llove2LaughToo
Joined: 4/14/2018
Msg: 5298
Comrade Trump is the Lying King
Posted: 5/19/2018 10:19:23 AM

Msg: 5296
The truth can never be hidden. Never.!!
Neither time manages to cover it up;
It's like the oil in the water: it's always separated, it doesn't mix.
Liberals should know this simple rule of life.!


Are you talking to me? I have asked you a question (5) times, in English and in Spanish, and you completely ignored it.

The truth can never be hidden? Your treasonous corrupt paranoid president is trying to hide his crimes.

Does Valerie Plame rings a bell to you? Why are Republicans always outing FBI operatives and putting Amrican lives and their family lives at risk? Outing an FBI agent and putting them in harms way is considered a treasonous act, no one should ever out an American agent. America will become less safe if Republicans continue revealing the identity of our agents. This is dangerous to our national security, this could kill Americans. I am sure people were killed overseas when Valerie Plame was outed by Scooter Libby.

Like I said, these treasonous criminals had suspicious contacts linked to Russia during the campaign, and now they are whining that the FBI sent an informant to investigate them. Bottom line is, this was a counterintelligence operation, the outcome which it was to stop a foreign adversary from successfuly running an operation. This was started because Russia was engaged in an operation to harm our country by interfering with our election. The goal is to find out if any Americans helped Russia to harm us. If you take a meeting with a Russian, it needs to be reported to the FBI, is that simple.

Let me ask you for the (6th) time:
"as a christian woman, have you ever witnessed Comrade Trump lie to the American people? Is it ok to you how your president lies every day?"

Esta es la sexta vez que te hago esta pregunta:
"has escuchado alguna vez al Camarada Trump decirle una mentira al pueblo Americano? Estas de acuerdo como el presidente tuyo miente diariamente?"

MAGA: My Attorney Got Arrested.
 Llove2LaughToo
Joined: 4/14/2018
Msg: 5299
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/19/2018 10:20:56 AM

Msg: 5296
The truth can never be hidden. Never.!!
Neither time manages to cover it up;
It's like the oil in the water: it's always separated, it doesn't mix.
Liberals should know this simple rule of life.!


Are you talking to me? I have asked you a question (5) times, in English and in Spanish, and you completely ignored it.

The truth can never be hidden? Your treasonous corrupt paranoid president is trying to hide his crimes.

Does Valerie Plame rings a bell to you? Why are Republicans always outing FBI operatives and putting Amrican lives and their family lives at risk? Outing an FBI agent and putting them in harms way is considered a treasonous act, no one should ever out an American agent. America will become less safe if Republicans continue revealing the identity of our agents. This is dangerous to our national security, this could kill Americans. I am sure people were killed overseas when Valerie Plame was outed by Scooter Libby.

Like I said, these treasonous criminals had suspicious contacts linked to Russia during the campaign, and now they are whining that the FBI sent an informant to investigate them. Bottom line is, this was a counterintelligence operation, the outcome which it was to stop a foreign adversary from successfuly running an operation. This was started because Russia was engaged in an operation to harm our country by interfering with our election. The goal is to find out if any Americans helped Russia to harm us. If you take a meeting with a Russian, it needs to be reported to the FBI, is that simple.

Let me ask you for the (6th) time:
"as a christian woman, have you ever witnessed Comrade Trump lie to the American people? Is it ok to you how your president lies every day?"

Esta es la sexta vez que te hago esta pregunta:
"has escuchado alguna vez al Camarada Trump decirle una mentira al pueblo Americano? Estas de acuerdo como el presidente tuyo miente diariamente?"

MAGA: My Attorney Got Arrested.
 ja6425
Joined: 1/16/2018
Msg: 5300
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 5/19/2018 10:28:39 AM
"Liberals should know this simple rule of life"

^^^^^^Well some liberals do know the truth about their scandalous democratic party but won't come right out and admit it. The other liberals have those blinders on and refuse to look at the facts, it scares them oh so much!!
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