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 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
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oh, I have no prob w/ contrarians, I is one :) And i'm glad when people bring in experts with some facts, instead of "What I wish the world was like/what idea feels good to me".

all empires fail. I used to read my father's financial newsletters back in the 1970's, and as you can imagine, they were claiming thruout stagflation the sky was falling. Empires all fall b/c they are expensive as hell to run yet the ruled are as greedy as the rulers are corrupt. Its a safe bet to say our fall is inevitable, but like all short selling, the question is...timing the fall. If a 20 yr old demanded I predict a safe course for their future, i'd say, buy a piece of property somewhere in their state where land is cheap (probably b/c its rural, lacking population density, and not get fracked for natural resources), pay it off quickly to avoid the bank getting swallowed by some major bank, get a garden big enough in case food prices rise enough for rebellion (historically a seed for social unrest), and get a main job or side hustle that can be run online so if gas prices rise too, one can work from home. and listen to the contrarians predict...one of 'em's gonna get the timing right :)

and the rest of one's time should be spent enjoying life, since the preparations have been made.
 happata
Joined: 3/21/2018
Msg: 5327
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 6/5/2018 3:20:45 PM
^^^ LOL.... you have read some of the survivalist websites....I thought once about getting a huge burlap bag of rice...but then I decided...if things get that bad, life probably won't be worth living, so I'm not going to worry about it. Undoubtedly there will be war between nations who are fighting for dwindling resources if things get that bad, and i really don't look forward to living in a post nuclear world....besides, the collapse is coming...but it is still likely years off...in the meanwhile, we just have to deal with the standard coming recession and the market down turn of another 30 - 50%.
 happata
Joined: 3/21/2018
Msg: 5328
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 6/6/2018 8:49:33 AM
Lets give credit where it is due...prr today's wall street journal:

China offered to purchase nearly $70 billion of U.S. farm, manufacturing and energy products if the Trump administration abandons threatened tariffs, according to people briefed on the latest negotiations with American trade officials
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 5329
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Posted: 6/6/2018 9:54:20 AM
that is helpful, but the real problem it doesn't address is intellectual property, which is even more profit potential--we want to protect what we invent to sell the world in our near future:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petertchir/2018/04/04/trade-tariffs-are-not-the-endgame-intellectual-property-is/#21bf6afbb17c

"While the Chinese offer to buy another $25 billion a year of U.S. energy and agricultural products would almost double those shipments compared to 2017, it is a far cry from the $200 billion rise that the Trump administration initially demanded."
"“The Chinese offer is certainly not enough and far from the touted half-way compromise but any movement is welcome,” said Dariusz Kowalczyk, senior emerging-market strategist at Credit Agricole SA in Hong Kong. “That said, there are only 9 days left till the U.S. announces the list of products subject to tariffs on $50 billion in Chinese exports. Overall, we remain of the view that a deal avoiding any new tariffs has a slightly more than a 50% chance.”

http://fortune.com/2018/06/06/china-us-trade-tariffs-trump-zte-trade-deficit/

But hey, something beats nothing. As someone pointed out, it may turn out that Chump focuses more attention on the Pacific Rim during his term, while ignoring classic economic allies in Europe, Canada, and Mexico. Getting China on our side should help in dealing with NK.
 happata
Joined: 3/21/2018
Msg: 5330
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 6/6/2018 10:25:44 AM
Well whatever happens... Trump is getting more offered from china than any other President. Of course it may all blow apart in the end... but that an offer was made is an achievement in itself. No other President even considered trade wars as a weapon.
 HawkingJr
Joined: 4/16/2007
Msg: 5331
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Posted: 6/6/2018 3:15:02 PM
Well, of course China's becoming chummy with the United States -- Trump's trying to make us like China:

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/coal-mines-nuclear-power-plants-conservatives-trump/2018/06/06/id/864545/

"Even conservatives and libertarians are ripping President Donald Trump’s order to stop failing coal and nuclear power plants from closing, with some calling it 'economy-crippling central planning,' and comparing it to the work of a 'third grade' student, CNBC reports."

When the Heritage Foundation turns against you, you know you've gone conservative rogue. Save coal plants because of "national security." My God. What puzzles me as how Trump is surrounded by economists who know far better than he does how this will all end up, and yet they keep doing his bidding. I know he tries to hire mostly "Yes men" but once upon a time nearly all his economic advisors were saying "No way" to these kinds of policies so apparently their induction into the Trump cult has been completed.

On a related note, the official EPA spokesperson apparently has become a little overworked, which is not surprising with the ungodly amount of scandals Scott Pruitt has engineered and all the people he's thrown under the bus along the way:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/scott-pruitt-epa-millan-hupp-trump-hotel-mattress/2018/06/06/id/864623/

"EPA spokesperson Jahan Wilcox did not comment on Hupp's exit, but told the Atlantic's Elaina Plott, who has reported on the scandals that have involved the agency: 'You have a great day, you're a piece of trash,' the news outlet reported."

Well, you elect a mean-spirited toddler as president, you can only expect the people he hires to be mean-spirited toddlers, too. Hupp quit because Pruitt was making her do his dirty work, then blaming her when they got caught. It's been said many times before but must be said again: anyone who has done as many unethical and illegal things as Pruitt has done in 1.5 years on the job would have been fired from ANY job 6 months ago. But what's Trump got to say about Pruitt, even today? "He's been doing really, really well. Somebody has to say that about you a little bit, you know that, Scott."

It's sometimes difficult to understand the universe we're in now. The only thing assured is Trump might pardon you if you tickle his feet.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 5332
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Posted: 6/6/2018 3:36:09 PM

... Trump might pardon you if you tickle his feet.

That's a cute lil alternate for "kiss his ass"...lol
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 5333
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Posted: 6/6/2018 3:43:36 PM
"Well whatever happens... Trump is getting more offered from china than any other President. Of course it may all blow apart in the end... but that an offer was made is an achievement in itself. No other President even considered trade wars as a weapon."

>>true, America--since Bush came into office--focused on the Mideast and didn't care much about stopping China from becoming a big player in the Pac Rim, swallowing man made islands with impunity and rattling its naval sabres while forming business deals in Africa for raw materials to ship back to the Iron Ricebowl factories. Hopefully Chump isn't doing this just to form family business contacts, but that there really is some Realpolitik plan going on. Maybe to box in Russia? Trying to pull China from its recent alliance with Iran?
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 5334
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 6/6/2018 5:47:58 PM
Trump invokes War of 1812 in testy call with Trudeau over tariffs
CNN

President Donald Trump and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had a testy phone call on May 25 over new tariffs imposed by the Trump administration targeting steel and aluminum imports coming from Canada, including one moment during the conversation in which Trump made an erroneous historical reference, sources familiar with the discussion told CNN.

According to the sources, Trudeau pressed Trump on how he could justify the tariffs as a "national security" issue. In response, Trump quipped to Trudeau, "Didn't you guys burn down the White House?" referring to the War of 1812.

The problem with Trump's comments to Trudeau is that British troops burned down the White House during the War of 1812. Historians note the British attack on Washington was in retaliation for the American attack on York, Ontario, in territory that eventually became Canada, which was then a British colony.

When asked if the comment was received as a joke, one source on the call said: "To the degree one can ever take what is said as a joke. The impact on Canada and ultimately on workers in the US won't be a laughing matter."
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 5335
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Posted: 6/6/2018 7:20:08 PM
"When asked if the comment was received as a joke"

>>>everything he says is a joke--he's the best gift to late night comedy. But its interesting someone asked if not knowing American history (I'll bet immigrants trying to get citizenship knew the correct answer) was seen as humorous. Chump should put a tariff on Canadian oil to save the fracking industry--bet the Koch brothers would answer his phone calls then.

Chump is a Monty Python's Flying Circus skit...come to life. Or if there was a Fawlty White House.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 5336
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 6/7/2018 5:34:27 AM
the problem with Chump's way of making deals, is they are competitive "playing chicken" deals in a zero sum game, without concern of building trust for future deals. They aren't diplomatic win-win deals, and they flip-flop so much, no country trusts America's word anymore. That's probably why prior presidents didn't turn deals into wars. You can only be the "unreliable crazy person" once. When Chump goes from insulting your size to praising you, it all seems crazy and unstable.

what works to get concrete poured for your casino, doesn't work in a nuclear world. if you can't work a deal with Iran, you can't go to the next Iran and get a better deal, b/c you aren't trying to buy something, you're trying to stop a behavior.
 SS4544Spd
Joined: 8/31/2016
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What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 6/7/2018 8:51:47 AM
happata wrote:
At the end of the day, most of the main street economy is flat-lining, not bounding back. Then again, who can blame the Donald for hyping the BLS' junk labor stats.
The only problem with mocking junk BLS stats, is IIRC, many Dems hyped them when Obama was in office. Personally I believe Obama's economy was tepid too, hidden by all sorts of junk statistics designed to make things seem better than they really are. The fact is, each and every recovery following a recession, for the last 40 years, has been successively slower and weaker. This one is no different, and we've mortgaged a whole bunch to get just another weak recovery, as far as Main St. is concerned.

I like Stockman though, an original conservative thinker, unlike the rest of the partisan douchebag hacks like Steven Moore.

I agree with Stockman on the importance of industry, but not with his blanket criticism of tariffs though......although I don't agree with Trump's willy nilly approach to implementing them. I've read several books by Stockman and his theories mainly center around artificially low interest rate environment we've had for a long time and it seems to make sense to me. The reckoning will be coming, just when?

And as to the "internet economy" replacing the industrial economy, that's a dream Wall Street Dems continue to push, but it doesn't seem to be happening...cuz it's a crock.
 happata
Joined: 3/21/2018
Msg: 5338
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Posted: 6/7/2018 2:30:19 PM
The reckoning is probably off in the future....after the retirement of the baby boomers and the faltering economy.

Here is a little more from Stockman today:

They also eventually brought American politics full circle by the election of a bombastic, incorrigible protectionist to the Oval Office. As one MSM commentator gummed yesterday, the Quebec summit may prove to be the death knell for the rotten regime of bad money and globalist statism which incepted in the 1970s.
The stinging rebuke of Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin over the weekend at a Group of Seven finance ministers meeting may mark the beginning of the end of the organization, experts fear.
There is “a growing concern that the entire rules-based international system and the institutions that underlie it are increasingly at risk,” William Reinsch, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told reporters on a conference call Monday.

After an unsuccessful charm offensive to try to convince President Donald Trump that a trade war was not in anyone’s interest, the leaders of the other six nations of the G-7 group are going to “try something else” and be more confrontational, added Heather Conley, a former U.S. State Department officials now with the CSIS.

Needless to say, this weekend will bring Trump's pre-eminent virtue to the fore.

He stubbornly refuses to be instructed, mediated, scripted and sherpa'd by the political class. So however misguided and superficial his policy stances might be, he does represent a direct intrusion by the electorate into their own process of purportedly democratic governance; and in a disruptive manner that has not issued from the Oval Office since the early days of Ronald Reagan before he, too, (like Gerald Ford) became house-trained by the system.

To be sure, the Donald has got it all wrong on the trade question as a substantive matter. As we will demonstrate in Part 2, America's massive trade, jobs and growth deficits are not due to rising tariff and non-tariff barriers abroad. In fact, both have been steady shrinking over the past several decades---even as US macro performance steadily skidded south.
Moreover, even if there are higher tariffs on some products and in some countries, the answer is not filling our harbors with rocks to match theirs or punishing our consumers to order to strike at their stupidity for sending subsidized goods and services to America.
So the Donald is heading to Canada on an important mission, packing a bogus protectionist agenda that is so primitive and nonsensical that it promises a fair chance to get the job immediately at hand---blowing up the G-7----actually accomplished.
Still, only an unreconstructed 18th century mercantilist could argue that national security requires protectionist steel and auto tariffs. After all, the world is drowning in upwards of 500 million tons of excess steel capacity (compared to DOD requirements of less than 2 million tons per year) and has the capacity to produce million of excess auto units annually.
So its bombs away over Quebec.
The United States must, at long last, be treated fairly on Trade,” Mr. Trump tweeted as G-7 finance ministers finished the pre-summit meeting in Canada last weekend. “If we charge a country ZERO to sell their goods, and they charge us 25, 50 or even 100 percent to sell ours, it is UNFAIR and can no longer be tolerated. That is not Free or Fair Trade, it is Stupid Trade!”
It's hard to think of anything more foolish than the above, albeit well-intended as the Donald might be.
Actually, in fact, there is one thing decidedly more foolish: The utterly naïve wishful thinking down in the canyons of Wall Street that on trade the Donald is all bark and no bite.
 APRILIKESWHITEROSES
Joined: 4/6/2018
Msg: 5339
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Posted: 6/12/2018 6:34:00 PM
******NOBEL PRIZE****** for president Trump.!..:)



-Peace is not the absence of conflict, it is the ability to handle conflict by peaceful means.-

 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 5340
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 6/12/2018 10:35:01 PM
Nobel Peace Prize for President Moon Jae-in. Nobel Putz Prize for Mad King Trumpty Dumpty. Moon has been the most instrumental as a go between for peace between many. Trump has been instrumental in bringing the US to the brink of a threatened missile hitting its shores and catering to, praising and salivating around despot dictators. At this point the Mad King has had a major photo op and left the clean up to others insofar as coming up with actual agreements with any kind of meat on the bone. Why he leaves them to others??...because he lacks the intellect to understand the complexities of what he spouts off about before he spouts off.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 5341
What good things has Trump accomplished?
Posted: 6/13/2018 6:10:05 AM
"And as to the "internet economy" replacing the industrial economy, that's a dream Wall Street Dems continue to push, but it doesn't seem to be happening...cuz it's a crock."

I'd argue that if Sears had gotten online, it would be the Amazon of the net rather than dying in the malls. And Amazon is giving WalMart and Target and Costco nightmares at night. The internet's promises are doing SOMETHING to the malls' anchor stores. Still, all of these behemoths are deciding that basic medical care is going to be worth sticking a toe into--that might be the "hot" industry of our near-future, as the Baby Boomers need affordable health care for the small aches and pains that come up in old age. They won't be doing heart surgery any time soon.

Economic stats do get fudged, but there's a funny irony--tell consumers just how bad things are, and guess what? They'll have less consumer confidence and cut back on spending, and then...

the real problem is...America had little competition from the end of WW2 until the mid 1970's, and that historical situation is long gone. The rest of the world caught up, a surplus of goods to sell showed up, America got into financial services to get around it, and there were recessions from all the funny business, making matters worse. Heck, our best chance to unload houses--the biggest consumer product-- is to have banks cutting loans to people who can't afford them, and that created both Bush recessions. a roof overhead is a necessity, and it leads to purchase of durable goods, and the taxes on it supports local government. Yet the market goes from hard to soft whenever prices go up (Depending upon neighborhood, natch). Blame stagnant wages, as more and more consumers dilute their credit rating. if there is a magic silver bullet, it may be that. Usually it causes inflation, but with automation we may have enough surplus to avoid it (fun fact, that steel surplus came from China needing steel for a dam project, and with the project done the steel factories just kept pumping out as we shipped them our cheapest quality to recycle).

"******NOBEL PRIZE****** for president Trump.!..:)"

>>except Chump did nothing more than Clinton achieved in 1994. So Aprilloveswhitethings, are you promoting Bill Clinton for Nobel peace prize? Why aren't you, when the results are the same? How about the Great Obama opening up Iran and Chump closing it off? oh right, Obama already has the prize.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 5342
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Posted: 6/13/2018 1:37:21 PM
Should Trump get the Nobel Peace Prize for selling $110 billion worth of military weapons to Saudi Arabia and $12 billion dollars worth of weapons to Qatar? Ask people in nearby Israel if they think Trump should get a Nobel Peace Prize. If Putin was to sell over 100 billion dollars worth of military weapons to countries that Putin favors, should he get a Nobel Peace Prize?
 generalthunder
Joined: 5/16/2018
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Posted: 6/13/2018 6:28:15 PM
Fagon Bites says: often hear Trump has accomplished more in his first 30 days than anyone else, but NO one ever says what good he has accomplished, or even what he has accomplished good or bad.

Doesn't he know that trump has just sealed the deal of the century with little rocket man? No other prez has done that since the two koreas went to war. Not even our first BA$$ Turd President Obama, since his muzzie dad left his old lady for other women. I wonder if she was like Hillary the most cheated on woman in America.
 APRILIKESWHITEROSES
Joined: 4/6/2018
Msg: 5344
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Posted: 6/13/2018 7:28:08 PM

So Aprilloveswhitethings, ........... How about the Great Obama opening up Iran and Chump closing it off? oh right, Obama already has the prize.


**Nobel panel saw Obama peace prize as mistake**


The former director of Norway’s Nobel Institute revealed this week that he regrets the committee’s decision to give the 2009 Nobel Peace award to President Obama.

Geil Lundestad, director at the institute for 25 years, said in his just-published memoir that:
He and the committee had unanimously decided to grant the award to Mr. Obama just after his election in 2009 more in hopes of aiding the American president to achieve his goals on nuclear disarmament, rather than in recognition of what Mr. Obama had already accomplished.

Looking back over Mr. Obama’s presidency, Mr. Lundestad said, granting him the award did not fulfill the committee’s expectations.

“[We] thought it would strengthen Obama and it didn’t have this effect,” he told the Associated Press in an interview.

The award so early in his term appeared to take the Obama White House by surprise

Mr. Lundestad said U.S. officials privately asked if a Nobel Prize-winner had ever skipped the awards ceremony.


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Geil Lundestad and the committee had unanimously decided to grant the award to Mr. Obama just after his election in 2009 more in hopes of aiding the American president to achieve his goals on nuclear disarmament










 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 5345
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Posted: 6/13/2018 8:25:58 PM
^Wellll, that being the case, the Nobel Committee is once again erring with respect to what it's supposed to be about.




Due to its political ideology and interferences, the Nobel Peace Prize has, for most of its history, been the subject of controversies.





Since March 1901,[3] it has been awarded annually (with some exceptions) to those who have "done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses".[4]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize

The Peace Prize is not supposed to be about it's members attempting to facilitate their hopes of strengthening a candidate for an award for future possible events but for what the candidate has actually done. No doubt, if this is their hindsight with respect to Obama, they're definitely attempting the same bullfvckery (a word designed specifically with you in mind Ms. April) with respect to Trump. There's nothing like bringing two nations close to the brink of war and then making like the savior by averting a war and them anticipating a award for such behaviour. Isn't that like awarding an arsonist attempting to be the hero by putting out a fire he, himself, started or at the very least put a well placed fan in front of?? hmmmm?
 Tootiefrutie1
Joined: 12/8/2015
Msg: 5346
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Posted: 6/14/2018 5:17:38 AM
"bullfvckery (a word designed specifically with you in mind Ms. April)"

(chuckle) How apropos!
 dragonbytes
Joined: 9/15/2015
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Posted: 11/5/2018 6:52:53 AM
I have to give Trump 100% of the credit of making US elections great again.

He has certainly galvanized voters on the right and left to vote again. I know I voted in 2018 because of Trump, and normally I would split my vote between Dems and Reps but this time I voted all one party.

One more day to see how the country really feels about Trump.
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