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 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 151
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What a great question! ... Oprah for President? ... Well she ticks all the left wing nut jobs boxes eh? ... 1/ She's Black! ... 2/She's Female! ... 3/ She's a Lesbian! ...What a great fit!


Barring the fact I don't believe Oprah has the political experience necessary for the job but has to date exhibited the diplomacy for the job, if she did have the political experience, am I to take it you wouldn't consider her BECAUSE she is black, female and (not) a lesbian? If so, those are disqualifiers, why?
 Whisky_River
Joined: 10/14/2017
Msg: 152
Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/15/2018 8:39:18 AM
^^You need to ask?
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 153
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Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/15/2018 9:08:40 AM
Explain why you think being female or black or a lesbian/gay are great jokes to you? And no, I do not think Oprah would be a good president.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 154
Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/15/2018 9:08:56 AM

^^You need to ask?


lol...no...didn't have to ask. They won't understand the rhetorical aspect - being the racist, misogynistic, homophobe they are...but I still couldn't resist.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 155
Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/15/2018 9:39:38 AM
Golly, HRC has only one of those things going for her, and she kicked Chump's ass in the popular vote.

When it was Obama v Romney:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/09/blacks-outvoted-whites-in-2012-the-first-time-on-record/

so, they can laugh all they want. No one wants the Dems to run on, "well, we aren't Chump", but more the Narcissist In Chief twits and the GOP twists in the wind pretending to not deny it nor support it...2020 may be nothing but a protest vote.

there is such a thing as a moderate Republican. And they may really want their party back by the time 2020 rolls around.
 HawkingJr
Joined: 4/16/2007
Msg: 156
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Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/16/2018 11:28:32 AM
“Definitely if the Govt is shut down next week, we can all point the finger at the dems...YIKES!!!”

People on “both sides” make far too big of a deal of the effects of a government shutdown. Hell, it’s unquestionable the GOP shut down the government last time in 2013, yet they easily held onto the House and retook the Senate in 2014. Previous shutdowns didn’t really change the makeup of Congress in the next election, either. But I think it’s foolish of Democrats to expect the party of “less government” to bend to their will on immigration issues out of fear of the consequences of the government being shut down. Many Republicans will probably be dancing in the street during the shutdown, because it’s “saving the taxpayers money.” It will likely be an exercise in pointlessness.

“Nominating a black celebrity who hates white people isn't going to help them win any votes. It will only drive away moderate voters.”

And how did that work out for you with Obama? Didn’t right wing conspiracy nuts like yourself claim that he was a black celebrity who hated white people? Heck, there’s some guy in another thread making that claim right now. Funny, seemed like Obama won both of his elections by millions of votes with the aid of many moderates.

All that said, I’d like to reiterate that this Oprah-for-president crap needs to stop, and the Democrats needs to concentrate on the 500 elections that actually happen in the next 10 months first. CUT TRUMP OFF AT THE KNEES IN 2018 AND 2020 WILL MATTER A WHOLE LOT LESS.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 157
Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/16/2018 4:34:10 PM
^


Hell, it’s unquestionable the GOP shut down the government last time in 2013, yet they easily held onto the House and retook the Senate in 2014. Previous shutdowns didn’t really change the makeup of Congress in the next election,


the circumstances are different this time around....back then, the Blackman was in office and the GOP defined themselves as the last stronghold & defenders against run-amok socialism that Obama was depicted to represent. That is why they didn't suffer much in the elections.

Compare how the GOP was viewed back then.....to how they are viewed now; as the party being spear-headed by Trump. Trump was presented with a bi-partisan bill to fix DACA...........a bill he said he would sign (until Kelly & Miller whispered in his ear not to do so) in order to avoid a shut down (something that neither side wanted........especilly if you hear what Graham just said of Trump's decision).

So now what are the Dems supposed to do to avoid a shut down?
They have to basically embrace all of Trump's directives on immigration (which is something that even many in the GOP don't want to do). Not likely to happen.
 kollata
Joined: 8/30/2017
Msg: 158
Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/16/2018 7:41:47 PM
To the know nothings posting here:

OP-ED COLUMNIST
Know-Nothings for the 21st Century
Paul Krugman
By PAUL KRUGMAN
January 15, 2018
These days calling someone a “know-nothing” could mean one of two things.

If you’re a student of history, you might be comparing that person to a member of the Know Nothing party of the 1850s, a bigoted, xenophobic, anti-immigrant group that at its peak included more than a hundred members of Congress and eight governors. More likely, however, you’re suggesting that said person is willfully ignorant, someone who rejects facts that might conflict with his or her prejudices.

The sad thing is that America is currently ruled by people who fit both definitions. And the know-nothings in power are doing all they can to undermine the very foundations of American greatness.

The parallels between anti-immigrant agitation in the mid-19th century and Trumpism are obvious. Only the identities of the maligned nationalities have changed.

After all, Ireland and Germany, the main sources of that era’s immigration wave, were the shithole countries of the day. Half of Ireland’s population emigrated in the face of famine, while Germans were fleeing both economic and political turmoil. Immigrants from both countries, but the Irish in particular, were portrayed as drunken criminals if not subhuman. They were also seen as subversives: Catholics whose first loyalty was to the pope. A few decades later, the next great immigration wave — of Italians, Jews and many other peoples — inspired similar prejudice.

Portrait of a young man, circa 1864, representing the nativist ideal of the Know Nothing party.
Portrait of a young man, circa 1864, representing the nativist ideal of the Know Nothing party. Library of Congress
And here we are again. Anti-Irish prejudice, anti-German prejudice, anti-Italian prejudice are mostly things of the past (although anti-Semitism springs eternal), but there are always new groups to hate.

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But today’s Republicans — for this isn’t just about Donald Trump, it’s about a whole party — aren’t just Know-Nothings, they’re also know-nothings. The range of issues on which conservatives insist that the facts have a well-known liberal bias just keeps widening.

One result of this embrace of ignorance is a remarkable estrangement between modern conservatives and highly educated Americans, especially but not only college faculty. The right insists that the scarcity of self-identified conservatives in the academy is evidence of discrimination against their views, of political correctness run wild.

Yet conservative professors are rare even in hard sciences like physics and biology, and it’s not difficult to see why. When the more or less official position of your party is that climate change is a hoax and evolution never happened, you won’t get much support from people who take evidence seriously.

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But conservatives don’t see the rejection of their orthodoxies by people who know what they’re talking about as a sign that they might need to rethink. Instead, they’ve soured on scholarship and education in general. Remarkably, a clear majority of Republicans now say that colleges and universities have a negative effect on America.


So the party that currently controls all three branches of the federal government is increasingly for bigotry and against education. That should disturb you for multiple reasons, one of which is that the G.O.P. has rejected the very values that made America great.

Think of where we’d be as a nation if we hadn’t experienced those great waves of immigrants driven by the dream of a better life. Think of where we’d be if we hadn’t led the world, first in universal basic education, then in the creation of great institutions of higher education. Surely we’d be a shrunken, stagnant, second-rate society.

And that’s what we’ll become if modern know-nothingism prevails.

I’ve been rereading an important 2012 book, Enrico Moretti’s “The New Geography of Jobs,” about the growing divergence of regional fortunes within the United States. Until around 1980, America seemed on the path toward broadly spread prosperity, with poor regions like the Deep South rapidly catching up with the rest. Since then, however, the gaps have widened again, with incomes in some parts of the nation surging while other parts fall behind.

Moretti argues, rightly in the view of many economists, that this new divergence reflects the growing importance of clusters of highly skilled workers — many of them immigrants — often centered on great universities, that create virtuous circles of growth and innovation. And as it happens, the 2016 election largely pitted these rising regions against those left behind, which is why counties carried by Hillary Clinton, who won only a narrow majority of the popular vote, account for a remarkable 64 percent of U.S. G.D.P., almost twice as much as Trump counties.

Clearly, we need policies to spread the benefits of growth and innovation more widely. But one way to think of Trumpism is as an attempt to narrow regional disparities, not by bringing the lagging regions up, but by cutting the growing regions down. For that’s what attacks on education and immigration, key drivers of the new economy’s success stories, would do.

So will our modern know-nothings prevail? I have no idea. What’s clear, however, is that if they do, they won’t make America great again — they’ll kill the very things that made it great.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 159
Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/17/2018 10:14:41 AM
that ^^ is the problem--its cool to be ignorant. Its the new "noble savage", the new salt of the earth, the common man is now...the simple man. Of course, we had it in the 1920's, the "city slicker" was to be looked down upon, it was the humble farmer who was free of coercion. The farmer's interests were pure, he was no stock market manipulator. He was the victim of the banks, not the creator of the Dust Bowl.

Listen to today's music--better to be a gangsta than an A student. and certainly don't be a scientist proving global climate change. Tommy Boy is cool, and he wins the girl--the Social Experiment is a pathetic attempt to impress a girl. we intend to have the most powerful nation in history run by...a non professional celebrity TV reality star. We actually wish to tear down the Establishment--well, unless your a hippy, and then we can crack your skull or shoot you at Kent State. And Chump will pay the legal fees. But don't be those violent antifa who get driven over when they protest on the sidewalk, oh my, they are so violent.

black is white, up is down, right is left...and stupid is the new thing to be.
 kollata
Joined: 8/30/2017
Msg: 160
Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/17/2018 10:47:42 AM
^^^^^that is what irritates me more than anything. These Neanderthals take over the goverment, supported by the deplorables. The amount of ignorance emanating from these people..overpowering. The lack of intellect from otherwise smart people, (Not the Dees of the world, whom I consider brainless...but the KJs of the world)..truly an enigma to me.
 KJ521
Joined: 1/3/2018
Msg: 161
Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/17/2018 12:28:55 PM
"the KJs of the world)..truly an enigma to me."


Thank you, Mr. Kollata.

Seeing as how...I am convinced that THIS year is MY year...(no buying my own box of chocolates this year, no sir!)... I'm thinking enigma might be the way to go. My Future Forever Love (FFL) should probably know right from the start that some enigmas are better left unexamined and best just appreciated for inscrutable nature they possess! :D


***I'll let you know how that messaging theme works out for me on the dating side. ;)
 kollata
Joined: 8/30/2017
Msg: 162
Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/17/2018 12:35:29 PM

I'm thinking enigma might be the way to go.


It might be, but right now its a private company. You might be able to purchase some shares though if you contact the company...you never know...or stay tuned in case it goes public. Good luck.....these tough decisions are what makes life worth living :-)



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 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 163
Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/17/2018 2:32:11 PM
"The amount of ignorane emanating from these people...overpowering"

>>>like when the wind shifts across the farmer's field, and what emits is also overpowering. For the same reason...it all smells like bullshit. oh well, I was old enough to understand, when the same people were trying to sell Iran Contra as good for America. so i'm not surprised by this now.
 LGL1975
Joined: 6/7/2015
Msg: 164
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Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/17/2018 5:27:35 PM

And how did that work out for you with Obama? Didn’t right wing conspiracy nuts like yourself claim that he was a black celebrity who hated white people? Heck, there’s some guy in another thread making that claim right now. Funny, seemed like Obama won both of his elections by millions of votes with the aid of many moderates.


Obama won the 2008 election with 69,498,516 votes. In 2012 Obama decided to become a racist with an imaginary son who looks like Trayvon the black thug and only got 65,915,795 votes. Barely more than Hillary did in 2016. Lucky for him Romney's a schmuck and belongs to that weird religion. So lesson here is that a lot of democrats aren't going to support a racist even if he is black.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 165
Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/17/2018 9:26:13 PM
^


In 2012 Obama decided to become a racist with an imaginary son who looks like Trayvon the black thug and only got 65,915,795 votes. Barely more than Hillary did in 2016


They (those on the right) were calling Obama a racist well before the Trayvon incident
They point out his "racism" because he attended Rev Wright's church for many years
They go back even further dredging up Obama's activism in collegeate years
Not to mention that he has been called a "closet" Muslim by these same pple...when a picture of him appeared wearing Islamic attire when he went to Kenya.
Yet he still won in 2008

Obama got less votes in 2012 because everyone expected him to have accomplished way more than what he did; notwithstanding the GOP's staunch opposition to everything he attempted. Plus the fact that Romny & Ryan verbalized their intent to privatize social security & medicare (which is something that Trump said he wouldn't do in his campaign promises ....but now changed his tune). Yeah, Romney is a schmuck...because he didn't (or couldn't) lie as hard as Trump.


So lesson here is that a lot of democrats aren't going to support a racist even if he is black.


You'd have a much harder time trying to prove Oprah is a racist....then you would with Obama
But even so, I think Democrats will be coming out in droves to vote Trump outta office...just to keep him & the GOP from raping the middle class

It will be interesting to see if GOP racist red-necks will still vote for Trump, even though he (and Ryan) have made it clear that they will be gunning for Social security & Medicare (in the near future)...to try and offset the ballooning deficit by giving tax breaks to the rich
 HawkingJr
Joined: 4/16/2007
Msg: 166
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Posted: 1/18/2018 7:13:02 AM
“the circumstances are different this time around....back then, the Blackman was in office and the GOP defined themselves as the last stronghold & defenders against run-amok socialism that Obama was depicted to represent. That is why they didn't suffer much in the elections.”

I’m not saying that’s not true. But the current political climate is so bad for Republicans that I don’t think anyone (besides Trump worshippers) cares who is responsible for the shutdown. Furthermore, saving DACA recipients from deportation is more popular than keeping the government functioning. Again, what does that even mean? A few frozen national parks close in the dead of winter? As “necessary departments” will keep right on functioning, all that’s going to amount from this is a handful of federal government employees being somewhat inconvenienced when it comes to their next pay check. This will have no effect on the vast majority of Americans and most are behind the Democratic reasoning behind the shutdown and pretty much only Trump worshippers (30-39% of the population) are behind the Republican reasoning for allowing it to happen. I just don’t see this amounting to much, no matter how much Ryan and Sanders prattle on about the military not being funded (which is BS anyway, as it’s a “necessary department”). Ultimately it’s just going to make people on the fence that have a heart view Republicans as Philistines for wanting to ship 25-year-olds that were brought here as toddlers back to a country they have no memory of whatsoever. There is no way this ends well for bigots.

In case anyone’s forgotten: the GOP shut down the government in 2013 partially over the deficit, which arguably was a noble cause, and partially over the impending start of Obamacare, which at the time was not popular at all (since it had not been implemented yet and had been turned into a bogeyman by the GOP), so it’s not really all that surprising they came out almost unscathed. This time, the noble cause is on the Democrats’ side.

“Obama won the 2008 election with 69,498,516 votes. In 2012 Obama decided to become a racist with an imaginary son who looks like Trayvon the black thug and only got 65,915,795 votes. Barely more than Hillary did in 2016. Lucky for him Romney's a schmuck and belongs to that weird religion. So lesson here is that a lot of democrats aren't going to support a racist even if he is black.”

I yield to Yule’s response for the most part, but on the anecdotal side: my best friend (who is a moderate white/Hispanic woman) enthusiastically voted for Obama in 2008 but then reluctantly voted for Romney in 2012, making her and many of her white female friends among the 3.5 million net votes Obama lost. We’ve discussed why she did it before, but I just asked her if Obama being a black racist factored into it. She first looked at me like I was crazy then actually told me I WAS crazy. Then she said not only didn’t she think Obama was a racist, but if he was running in 2016 or RIGHT NOW, she’d vote for him again in a heartbeat. (FYI: She voted for Clinton in 2016, is extremely anti-Trump and DOES believe he is a racist.)

She still doesn’t believe her Romney vote was a mistake with the information she had at the time, as he was certainly part of the moderate GOP wing (RINO) that she often supported and she felt like the economy had stalled under Obama, and Romney’s business experience would get it going again – she didn’t agree with many of Romney’s social positions as she’s definitely a social liberal in almost every sort of way, but arguably a “compassionate” fiscal conservative. Interestingly, just the other day she was complaining to me how Trump is taking credit for Obama’s economy, so she and most of her girlfriends that voted for Romney now admit that eventually their main concern about Obama during the second election was unfounded, but that didn’t become obvious until a couple of years later.

BTW, they are all highly enthusiastic about voting every Republican out of office come this November, even though many of them voted for Republicans for everything except president in November 2016. Basically they are in the “Trump’s corrupt power needs to be cut off at the knees” camp (note that most of them voted for Republicans in the 2016 election because they assumed Clinton was going to win the presidency and a GOP Congress was needed to keep her in check, because most of them thought she was corrupt and didn’t trust her – but they trusted her far more than they trusted or liked Trump).

Oprah’s biggest problem would be the same problem Clinton had: she’s a woman. Many men (and some women) just can’t pull the lever for a woman. This country is arguably more sexist than racist at this point. That said, Clinton’s gender only factored slightly into her lost -- she undoubtedly lost just enough votes entirely because of sexism to cost her the election, but she probably lost millions of other votes that Oprah would have received because of the corruption and scandal-ridden husband baggage that Oprah and almost any other prominent female contender would not have – as proof, 7 million votes to progressives besides Clinton that would have made all the difference. Plus being black arguably is more helpful than hurtful – many studies show that had blacks shown up at the polls in 2016 at the rates they showed up in 2008 and 2012 for Obama, Clinton would have won easily. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Oprah win Mississippi with its 40% black population, as they would undoubtedly be far more enthused about showing up for her than Clinton.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 167
Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/18/2018 8:38:41 AM
If for some insane reason, Oprah decided to run for president in the next election and Trump decides to run again, like he said he would, would Trump use the same personal attacks like he did with HRC and Obama, even though Obama wasn't in the running?

Would Trump claim Oprah wasn't American, and claim she was born in Africa (and therefore, must be a Muslim), and demand to see paperwork to prove she's American? After all, in Trump's mind, how can a black person be American? Would Trump also have the Russians hack into her emails to look for "dirt", then claim she's a threat to national security because she allowed to have her emails hacked into?

Of course, anytime Trump made an accusation that proved to be false, he never once apologized for the error. He would just carry on with the next lie. But in a strange twist, that actually works better for Trump to never apologize. Because his staunchest supporters are mentality challenged, uneducated hillbilly types, anything Trump says is considered gospel and he is never wrong. So if Trump says Obama or Oprah is not American, and they were born in Africa and are Muslims, the Trumptards will believe it, regardless of any evidence to the contrary, and nothing will change their minds about that. So Trump is not going to rock the boat by admitting to an error.
 LGL1975
Joined: 6/7/2015
Msg: 168
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Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/18/2018 7:24:39 PM

They (those on the right) were calling Obama a racist well before the Trayvon incident
They point out his "racism" because he attended Rev Wright's church for many years
They go back even further dredging up Obama's activism in collegeate years
Not to mention that he has been called a "closet" Muslim by these same pple.


None of those people were going to vote for a democrat anyway.

Obama lost votes in 2012 because he persecuted a man for defending himself from a criminal who was the same race as the president. He alienated all of the people who actually fell for his "change" bullshit.

Oprah Winfrey is a rich black celebrity who hates white people. She has about as much credibility as Leonardo Dicaprio telling people to ride the bus from his yacht.

A more likely scenario is that Oprah will be used as a shill. Her racism will make the real democratic candidate appear more moderate and conciliatory.
 kollata
Joined: 8/30/2017
Msg: 169
Oprah Winfrey for President
Posted: 1/18/2018 7:56:06 PM
^^^^ clearly you are clueless what a skuzz bag George Zimmerman. Hint..he was white trash...just like you

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