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 et_non
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Corbyn v May II coming soon ..Page 19 of 22    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22)

My right to slap the dafties out of witnesses sight is MY free speech

As someone astutely observed - If you are in favour of free speech you are in favour of the free speech of precisely the views of those who you despise, otherwise you are not in favour of free speech.

Anyway enough of that. Time to exercise my free speech and say something rather uncool...
It's the Japanese I feel sorry for. In 1954 the city of Tokyo was besieged by a giant radioactive dinosaur. In 1955 the same dinosaur returned and attacked Tokyo again.
Quiet for a few years, then in 1962 it came back yet again but this time it got into a fight with a 300 ft gorilla.
I've done research on this, Japan has been attacked 29 times by giant dinosaurs, last time was 2014.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/31/2018 12:22:06 AM
"My right to slap the dafties out of witnesses sight is MY free speech


As someone astutely observed - If you are in favour of free speech you are in favour of the free speech of precisely the views of those who you despise, otherwise you are not in favour of free speech."


Yep the bint has the right to protest

Agreed?

I have the right to eat my brekkie in peace?

Aye?

Back in Edinburgh. D

Some silly cvnts try to take away MY right to eat my brekkie in peace then they need slapped.

Fvck the stupid cvnts.

And et tu?

No the cvnt et four

Messages this short
Yous know what messages are up here?

Oh **** off.

I'm at a funeral today
 RoxyMoronic
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Posted: 1/31/2018 11:28:59 AM
^^^hope today was ok for you vlad.
Always a sad time saying goodbye.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/31/2018 9:46:24 PM
Roxy
Cheers hen. It went well. John was an old school good man.

A gentleman. I had a wee drink with his missus Pat and the lassies and his son broono.

Then I sat with Chris. His laddie was a good pal. Poor lad died just before his 50th with motor neuron disease.

£40 a round. 5 doubles whiskys. A 20 year old malt.

I love my mates. We look after each other.

Fvcked on the Base speed though. Ive no slept for two days.

Too many horrors when I shut my eyes.

Here's tae us
Whaes like us?

Peace, love and jelly babies hen.

Messages this short shite.

Seen my youngest grandbairn yesterday.

Born premature in august.

She loves her auld grandad.
 Squareslice
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Posted: 2/1/2018 1:11:58 AM
My turn for the steak pie today, Vlad.
Pall bearer time yet again. Aye the bearer.... yet to be carried.
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 2/1/2018 2:44:09 AM
Sorry you guys have lost friends, never fun but sadly as we get older it becomes a more frequent event.

Back to the cafe - the owner wrote this

"On Saturday, our humble community cafe, Blighty, was targeted by protesters; you may have read about it in the news. Those who occupied the cafe claim that we are celebrating colonialism, something that I would strongly refute. I’m obviously disappointed that my business could have offended people in such a way, and equally saddened to hear that the protesters may have been subsequently harassed online. We could do with some restraint from all sides in what appears to have become a needlessly fraught debate. The students are well within their rights to disagree with the theme of our business, and I’d be happy to invite them in to discuss those issues sometime soon.

Some background: I opened Blighty Cafe in 2013 and its sister charity, Blighty Arts in 2014. Together they have served the community of Finsbury Park, north London, for five years. We are not simply somewhere to pick up some avocado toast and a skinny flat white (although you’re more than welcome to) – we are a hub for creativity, entrepreneurship and, most importantly, charity. Upstairs at Blighty we have a workspace full of interesting businesses and local people. We hold yoga, life drawing and comedy events. We are more than just a “themed cafe” as has been reported.

We provide offices for entrepreneurs, creatives and small businesses. All the profits raised are then given as microfinance or “good faith” loans to some of the poorest people in society who want to start their own business. We’ve helped nearly 200 women in rural India start their own business, with all loans paid forward to the next person who needs assistance. We also provide desks and services at cost to young entrepreneurs in the UK who need help getting started, with plans to extend our microfinance loans to the would-be self-employed among the UK’s homeless population. This isn’t just another trendy coffee shop.

We have created a community that is rare to find in this city, and is special to Blighty and everyone who visits and works here. Our wonderful staff all live locally and are diverse in their nationalities, opinions, beliefs and customs.

The protesters have suggested we are supporting colonialism, or any past wrongdoing of Winston Churchill. It’s an accusation that is both wrong and upsetting for everyone involved with Blighty. Yes, we are celebrating Britain, and we are celebrating Britain’s relationship with the world – especially with the other Commonwealth countries. But the means by which that Commonwealth came about need not be a part of that celebration. We reflect on both the good and the bad of Britain’s past. Like it or not, Britain is still strongly connected with places in which we perpetrated horrible wrongs, it would only exacerbate that if we were to turn our backs on those relationship.

Our full English might be called The Winston – but that hardly makes us celebrators of colonialism. Churchill was, after all, named top when the BBC chose the 100 greatest Britons. He may not be an uncontroversial figure, I’m sure his wrongs are numerous, but we cannot erase him from our history.

We take our duty as a responsible business seriously. The Winston uses meat from Godfreys, our local Highbury butcher. We source our coffee beans directly from Commonwealth countries, and have self-financed two microfinance programmes in Rwanda and India, lending money to women who need small business loans. I went to Rwanda last year with my co-worker. Two other members of the team went to India the year before. We are real people trying to do real good in the world.

Yes, we are proud of our Britishness. We like Britain, its icons, its self-deprecating humour and we recognise all of its faults. That means we will not shy away from our imperfect history and will continue to work hard to ensure Blighty remains a positive source for good in the world – celebrating people, nations and humanity in all its wonderful forms. We are a multicultural, progressive modern-day Blighty – much as I hope this country can become.

• Chris Evans is the founder of Blighty Cafe in London"
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Posted: 2/1/2018 2:54:42 AM
BTW they don't just do a Winston breakfast, the full menu includes:

The Winston – traditional full English. British bacon, 2 fried eggs, Cumberland sausage, Yorkshire black pudding, bone marrow, tomatoes, mushrooms, red onion, thyme, homemade baked beans, sourdough toast £9.90

The Clementine – vegetarian full English. Asparagus, 2 fried eggs, mushrooms, tomatoes, avocado, red onion, lemon, thyme, homemade baked beans, sourdough toast £9.50

The Gandhi – vegan full English. Tomatoes, mushrooms, avocado, tofu, asparagus, red onion, lemon, thyme, homemade baked beans, sourdough toast with olive oil £9.50

The Bruce – full Scottish. Whole Scottish kipper, homemade beurre noisette sauce, poached egg, homemade baked beans, sourdough toast £9.50

The Mountie – full Canadian. Pancakes with vanilla creme fraiche, maple syrup, fresh fruit £9.50

The Lincoln – full American. American tower pancakes with crispy bacon, scrambled eggs, maple syrup £9.50

The Bradman – full Aussie. Crushed avocado and 2 poached eggs on sourdough toast with lemon, tabasco, roasted mixed seeds, homemade b

Eggs Lincolnshire – Lincolnshire bacon, poached eggs, hollandaise sauce on a toasted English muffin £8.00

Eggs Shropshire – Poached eggs, asparagus, Shropshire blue cheese, hollandaise sauce on a toasted English muffin £7.70

Eggs Scotland – Finest Scottish smoked salmon, poached eggs, hollandaise sauce on a toasted English muffin £8.50

London Toast – Scrambled, poached or fried eggs on sourdough toast. (Add bacon, smoked salmon or asparagus for £1.50 each) £6.70



Sounds like my kind of cafe!
 Jo van
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Posted: 2/1/2018 4:03:57 AM
Ironic that they should have Gandhi too.
Churchill would be horrified to be on the same menu!


The Churchill you didn't know
Thousands voted him the greatest Briton - but did they know about his views on Gandhi, gassing and Jews...
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I will not pretend that, if I had to choose between communism and nazism, I would choose communism.
Speaking in the House of Commons, autumn 1937
I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes.
Writing as president of the Air Council, 1919

It is alarming and nauseating to see Mr Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organising and conducting a campaign of civil disobedience, to parlay on equal terms with the representative of the Emperor-King.
Commenting on Gandhi's meeting with the Viceroy of India, 1931

(India is) a godless land of snobs and bores.
In a letter to his mother, 1896

I do not admit... that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia... by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race... has come in and taken its place.
Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937

https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2002/nov/28/features11.g21
(My bold)

But I expect Vlad will go right off them, now that the guy has praised "multi-culturalism"
They look a bit expensive to me, for a breakfast.

Where are all the Clement Attlee themed restaurants?

Nostalgia just isn't what it used to be.
 rekirked
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Posted: 2/1/2018 4:18:01 AM
The same Ghandi who slept naked with his nieces to test the resolve of his sexual abstination? That Ghandi?


There’s crap in everyone’s closet.
 Squareslice
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Posted: 2/1/2018 4:32:12 AM
When I do Wireless and Community festivals in Finsbury Park this year, guess where I'll be visiting.
No touchin that Bruce hellish sounding thing, though. How the eff did they think that's a Scottish breakfast?
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 2/1/2018 4:33:09 AM
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The idiots are now consuming themselves. It's brilliant.

Did you read Mr international socialists comment earlier about slapping the bint?

Fake outrage. This from a man who voted for president Blair the war criminal.

Hypocrisy? Never.

If I was in London I would go to the cafe deliberately. Although the menu you posted looks pony.

Bacon, eggs, beans and double bubble.

The business.

Aye funerals. I'm at the cremie more than I'm at the football these days.

So pissing in the pool? Yous mickey mousers eh?

Anyway someone who goes to Johnny foreigner land to sit by a pool deserves a hot Stella influx.

What a waste of a day. Sitting like arseholes when there are pubs open.

Scottish brekkies? Surely a beer and some narcos is "traditional"

Josef Spartacus. Thought you said there is no such thing as culture?

So how can you have multi something that does not exist?

And the bint still should get a slap.

Churchill was a tory cvnt. He is not someone I admire.

I save my admiration for the working class folk who actually fought in the war. Like my dad.

And ps jo
It is overpriced mate. But London prices I suppose.
 Squareslice
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Posted: 2/9/2018 8:24:07 AM
and, slowly, the SNP creeps back... I'd rather vote Tory cos of likes of certain nationalists.


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 vlad dracul
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Posted: 2/14/2018 4:32:58 AM
Ah good old london labour. Always good for a laugh. The conference that london labour millenial snowflakes are having? A couple of dafties wrote an article for the grauniad justifying banning hetro sexual white geezers. The comments section at the end of the article is boss...........

"Why our Young Labour conference 'excluded' straight, white, able-bodied men

ILikeChips 2d ago
There is something deliciously Orwellian about an Equalities Conference that has unapologetically sexist and racist admissions criteria.

Welliphant 2d ago
How can you create a nation-wide liberation movement while admitting to exclude, "...anyone who is straight, white, male and able-bodied..."?

Frances56 2d ago
Sorry, Jezza. You can't come

ByDogHasDohDoze 2d ago
Does Labour want to be an egalitarian movement or an identitarian one? The idea that a young black entrepreneur or a middle-class white female journalist can attend, but a male white binman can't on the basis that he's more privileged, is just absurd. Things like this are just fuel for the enemy's fires.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/12/young-labour-bame-lgbt-disabled-women-equal-parliament


Brilliant. They have banned st jeremy of corbyn and most of london labours front bench from attending.

I'm no sure who's side yous will take in the trans v terfs square go.............
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 2/14/2018 4:42:11 AM
So here's the runners and riders in the barking mad london labour stakes.

I wonder if a tranny who gets selected to be the mp for islington south wins the seat and then declares "no I'm a gadgie again"? They would have to stand in a nice middle class muesli eating mainly white 'safe area' though.

I do not think they would do well in bradford or many other areas of north englandshire. Some communities would not be too happy methinks. Unless the geezer wears the full burqua.......


"TRANS VS TERFS: SCRABBLING FOR THE VICTIM HIGHGROUND

The UK Labour Party’s use of all-women shortlists raises many questions*. Why are women deemed incapable of getting elected on their own merits?

Why does Labour consider its voters to be so stupid they wouldn’t elect a woman even if she was the best candidate? Why does the party have such little regard for democracy that it feels entitled to impose candidates on a constituency?

Yet since Labour first began using all-women shortlists in 1997, these issues have scarcely been addressed. Instead, the lists have prompted one question in particular: what does it mean to be a woman?

To most people, this question is so ridiculous it takes us beyond the realm of common sense. A woman is a biological female. Not someone who has been randomly assigned the label female at birth in some odd bureaucratic act, but a person with a vagina and XX chromosomes.

To members of the Labour Party, however, defining a woman is proving to be anything but straightforward.

Labour has opened its all-women shortlists to self-identifying transgender women – in other words, to men who feel like they fancy a go at being women for a change. This has prompted a row between those who think the lists should be preserved for real women (or at least those with a Gender Recognition Certificate proving their womanly credentials) and those who think wanting to be a woman should be qualification enough for inclusion in the women-only line-up.

Thankfully, women in the Labour Party have spoken out against ‘transgender males’ being allowed ‘to push biological females out’. In response to this pushback, Labour Against Transphobia was formed. In acts reminiscent of the Stasi, this group drew up secret lists, gathered evidence and hatched plans to oust ‘transphobes’ from the party.

To the Labour Party it seems that to be a woman means nothing more than having declared you are a woman. Whether or not you were been born female is irrelevant. All that matters is how you feel.

Lily Madigan, the first transgender Constituency Labour Party women’s officer, has said: ‘The whole community are still more likely to be bullied, assaulted, to self-harm and to die by suicide.’ Trans women are ‘on the margins of our society and most at risk of rape, sexual violence and abuse’. To be a trans woman is to suffer. Identifying the ‘transphobe’ and shouting ‘TERF’ at radical feminists allows trans women to assert their own identity.

We’re told that transgender women must be included in Labour’s all-women shortlists because they suffer bullying and abuse in order to be recognised as women. At the same time, we’re told that all-women shortlists must be exclusively female because to be born a woman is to endure lifelong violation and discrimination.

Instead, with transgender activists on one side and radical feminists on the other, we are pitched into an unedifying competition for who can claim to be most oppressed. This woeful construction of womanhood offers nothing to aspire towards."

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/trans-vs-terfs-scrabbling-for-the-victim-highground/21115#.WoQnGHqnxcs

* does not apply to harriet harpersons husband though. He got parachuted into a safe seat in birmingham.
 duracell_bunny_one
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Posted: 2/14/2018 6:14:42 AM
Labour calls for all tenants to be permitted to have pets…so those who don't own a home can still own a dog or cat

New day, same crap..........

 rekirked
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Posted: 2/14/2018 6:17:17 AM
They also barred anyone over 27, so that’s all the discrimination boxes ticked perfectly.

Age
Gender
Race
Sexual orientation

That is actually fantastic news for it ensures Labours wander in the policitical wilderness is assured to be a hike in perpetual circles thanks to the next generation of unelectable muppets coming through.

Shame though, we need a credible opposition. We need choice.
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Posted: 2/14/2018 6:33:16 AM
We need Guy Fawkes.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 2/22/2018 7:08:47 AM
Eeee who'd have thunk it eh? St jeremy of corbyn being linked to folk who hated the uk? But here is an interesting wee thing i read. Why, instead of threatening a press clampdown does he not take court action against these supposedly false allegations.

That would stop ALL smear stories about him and his uk hating past to bed once and for all. In one fell swoop he would kill all the lies and smears against him.

Unless of course they are true...............



"The spying accusations by several newspapers against Jeremy Corbyn are laughable. They amount to a smear reminiscent of the false claims made by the Sunday Times in 1995 that Michael Foot was a KGB agent.

Playing the red card has long been a tactic employed by editors of the section of the press that is antipathetic to Labour. Rightly, Corbyn has dismissed the pages of nudge-nudge wink-wink in the Daily Mail, the Sun, Daily Express and Daily Telegraph as “ridiculous”, arguing that the detailing of such fantasies “shows just how worried the media bosses are by the prospect of a Labour government”.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/22/corbyn-press-foreign-owners-spy-claims

Chapster
"We need Guy Fawkes."

But would he not be hunted down. I thought Fawkes hunting was illegal?
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Posted: 2/23/2018 3:02:15 AM
Hmmm - welll - I see St Margaret's protege has just backed own on her idea of EU immigrants during the transition not having the same rights as before. Is there anything this government has not backed down on. Has there been any point to the negotiations as we seem to have just about accepted everything the EU has thrown at us. Even the sainted Jeremy is saying that we need to stay in the custom's union.

Almost forgot, during the transition period we will also lose the rebate St Margaret negotiated so rather than get back 350 million a week we'll be paying an extra 4 billion! These guys are making Trump look good.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/19/2018 1:27:25 PM
It's amazing the wee snippets that can be picked up online.

Not only did new labour introduce the vile sanctions regime in the dwp.

London labour were ORDERED to abstain rather then OPPOSE tory welfare cuts.........

"Labour was on Monday night in disarray after a fifth of the party's MPs rebelled during a vote on Tory welfare reforms.

Around 48 Labour MPs openly defied interim leader Harriet Harman by refusing to abstain on the Government's welfare bill which was passed with 308 votes in favour and 124 against.

Miss Harman believes that her party should not oppose all of George Osborne's benefits cuts in a bid to avoid the charge that Labour is the "party of welfare"."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11752496/Welfare-cuts-passed-despite-Labour-rebellion.html

But st jeremy of corbyn had THIS to say...........

"• Leftwinger Jeremy Corbyn said the rebellion had 'strengthened' the party because it showed there are still Labour MPs who care about those most in need."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11752677/Labour-in-absolute-meltdown-over-welfare-cuts-rebellion-as-Andy-Burnham-admits-it-is-a-mess.html

But oops. Is comrade leader st jeremy of corbyn not a man of idealism? Honesty? Ha ha is he fvck..........

"Labour manifesto ‘would keep £7bn of planned Tory welfare cuts’

At least £7bn of George Osborne’s plan to slash welfare will go ahead after the election even if Labour wins power, an analysis of the party manifestos has revealed.

Three-quarters of the huge package of benefit cuts announced by the former chancellor in 2015 are yet to be implemented, including a major reduction in support given to the low-paid, and limiting payments to families with more than two children.

The Conservative manifesto suggested that the party would plough ahead with the cuts, should it win a majority. However, despite opposition to the cuts within Labour, the party’s manifesto only pledges to reverse £2bn of the £9bn cuts to come as part of a review, according to an analysis by the Resolution Foundation thinktank.

It comes despite the fact that Jeremy Corbyn was among 48 Labour MPs to rebel against the party whip in 2015 to oppose the cuts. Corbyn also criticised the decision by the party’s frontbench to abstain during his first leadership campaign.

There are three areas in which big cuts are scheduled to be made in the next parliament. A further two-year freeze to most working age benefits, which includes Jobseeker’s Allowance, housing benefit and child benefit, is expected to save £3.6bn a year by 2021.

Reductions in the payments given to people in work through the new universal credit system are set to save £3.2bn. Meanwhile, limiting support to two children per family and reducing payments to new families will save £2bn a year.

Labour’s manifesto includes a pledge to hold a “review of cuts and how best to reverse them”. However, the Resolution Foundation said that the £2bn Labour has allocated for the review would reverse less than half of the £5bn cuts to universal credit and support for children.

It would also leave the benefits freeze intact just as inflation begins to bite.

The foundation said that, under Labour’s proposals, 78% of the welfare cuts would still go ahead.

Torsten Bell, the Resolution Foundation’s director and Ed Miliband’s former policy chief, lambasted both main parties for their failure to deal with the welfare cuts.

“Instead both parties are guilty of neglecting the living standards concerns of working families by allowing George Osborne’s welfare cuts to be rolled out, either in full with the Conservatives or largely intact under Labour’s plans.

"Improving the living standards of working people is the reason the Labour Party exists at all – something it’s time they remembered.”

“But after having voted to give Theresa May a blank cheque for Brexit, Labour is now is refusing to help vulnerable families cope. It is a double betrayal.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/20/labour-manifesto-keep-planned-tory-benefit-cuts-resolution-foundation

And yet the forum commissar continually slavers a load of shite that london labour actually give a fvck.
 Jo van
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-Yeah, nice bit of editing there Vlad.
Here's the bits you deliberately left out:

However, Debbie Abrahams, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said Labour’s spending plans included £20bn over the next parliament to reverse Tory cuts to social security. She added that the party was committed “to ending the benefits freeze at the earliest opportunity”.

“Our plan will improve support for young people, sick and disabled people, unpaid carers, working families, bereaved families and pensioners,” she said.

And that last line in your dishonestly edited version was said by Simon Hughs, and NOT By Torsten Bell.
It's just dishonest Vlad.

It's clear you're just angry, and just want an argument.
More quotes from the torygraph.
Why not just quote some other famous brexiteers; Gove, Johnson, Foxy, Ledsom etc
There's plenty to choose from, and they'll all happily try to discredit Corbyn, just like you always try to do.
They usually write for the torygraph too, I think Bozza even has a "column"

Genuine question:
You say that you're also a socialist. (Maybe a "nationalist socialist"?)
So why am I the "forum commissar" [sic], and not you?

Particularly as you're so full of admiration for that other nationalist, your namesake; Vlad Putin....
I also noticed that you began another attempted attack on me, with the words "we all know"......
Who is "we"?

I think your beliefs are entirely your own.

-Once again, for clarity: I am not "London labour", I am not responsible for anything they might have said, or done, in the previous century, or in any times yet to come.
If you have issues with them, take them up with them.
I can't help you.
I'm just a voter, and I vote for the party who's views and stated objectives most closely resemble my own.

Corbyn's views have been fairly consistent, for about the last 35 years, (I've just checked, he's been the mp there for 35 years, reelected, time after time)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn

At this point, I fully expect you to resort to more Tory-inspired, Clarksonesque "ad hominem" nonsense about "macrame-knitting vegans in kagouls" or some other nonsensical stereotypes about the "liberal elite", worthy of the telegraph or breitbart, from where you often draw your inspiration.

I think Corbyn has some flaws, particularly (IMO) in presentation.
He hasn't mastered the tories' use of the media, but IMO., that's just because he's genuine,
whereas they are (more effectively perhaps?) "portraying leadership" by conforming to the kinds of "oily" stereotypes, which "market researchers" tell them get the best response from "focus groups".
-Because tories (and their American counterparts; republicants) tend to be wealthy, and funded by other wealthy people, and banks, and financial institutions, billionaires and businessmen, they tend to both have the funds and the ready-access to "marketing techniques" employed by such "noble British" firms, such as "Cambridge Anal-ytica".
-And those types of people also know how best to spread the kind of "memes" which pour scorn and derision on their opponents, -that Corbyn shook hands with various dictators, or that milliband's dad was a Marxist.
That sort of thing works well on 'social media', and in the daily wail ...

The "powers that be" certainly don't want a socialist government, and like trump, they will stoop to any "dirty tricks" to undermine his credibility.
You Vlad, have become a sad, unwitting pawn in their propaganda drive.
Well done.
I hope Corbyn is still around for the next election.
He'll get my vote.
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Posted: 3/20/2018 11:20:57 AM
"Genuine question:
You say that you're also a socialist. (Maybe a "nationalist socialist"?)
So why am I the "forum commissar" [sic], and not you?"

Ooooo the old 'national' socialist dig eh? Lol. No the first time you have said that about me so please allow me MY jibes as well............

"Particularly as you're so full of admiration for that other nationalist, your namesake; Vlad Putin.... I also noticed that you began another attempted attack on me, with the words "we all know"...... Who is "we"?"

Ok I'll accept i do not speak for other posters. ANOTHER attempted attack? Ive been reading your posts on off topic for a while. You like dishing snide remarks to (in no particular order) john, kj, dee etc. Your ok when YOU make attacks on folk eh? Because they identify as Christians or voted trump? Reap what ye sow.........


"-Once again, for clarity: I am not "London labour", I am not responsible for anything they might have said, or done, in the previous century, or in any times yet to come. If you have issues with them, take them up with them. I can't help you.
I'm just a voter, and I vote for the party who's views and stated objectives most closely resemble my own."

So you IDENTIFY with london labour then? What policies of new labour appealed to you then? And once again i need to point out that labour DO NOT STAND in Scotland in Scottish elections.............

"Corbyn's views have been fairly consistent, for about the last 35 years, (I've just checked, he's been the mp there for 35 years, reelected, time after time) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn"

And in all those years he constantly voted against the orders of the labour whips. Now though HE DEMANDS everyone does as they are told..........

"At this point, I fully expect you to resort to more Tory-inspired, Clarksonesque "ad hominem" nonsense about "macrame-knitting vegans in kagouls" or some other nonsensical stereotypes about the "liberal elite", worthy of the telegraph or breitbart, from where you often draw your inspiration."

Stereotypes? You mean like brexit voters being xenophobic, racist, thick stupid white folk? Because you have used THOSE stereotypes many times. Anyone who complained about migration driving wages down were sneered at by you.

Whats your view on corbyn saying mass migration drives down wages? You forgot to answer.

As for breitbart london ALL the articles contain the ORIGINAL story source. Just because YOU dont like the stories they reprint in english does not make them untrue..........

"I think Corbyn has some flaws, particularly (IMO) in presentation.
He hasn't mastered the tories' use of the media, but IMO., that's just because he's genuine,"


I agree he is not media savvy. But he was a figure of fun for many years. The labour mp living in the 70's. HE IS STRUGGLING because now he wants citizens to take him seriously. But his past keeps coming back. He brought it on himself in my opinion.............

"whereas they are (more effectively perhaps?) "portraying leadership" by conforming to the kinds of "oily" stereotypes, which "market researchers" tell them get the best response from "focus groups"."

The tories are every stereotype you want them to be. No objection from me...........

"-Because tories (and their American counterparts; republicants) tend to be wealthy, and funded by other wealthy people, and banks, and financial institutions, billionaires and businessmen, they tend to both have the funds and the ready-access to "marketing techniques" employed by such "noble British" firms, such as "Cambridge Anal-ytica"."

Fvck me. Do you think that ONLY YOU are aware of that?............

"-And those types of people also know how best to spread the kind of "memes" which pour scorn and derision on their opponents, -that Corbyn shook hands with various dictators, or that milliband's dad was a Marxist. That sort of thing works well on 'social media', and in the daily wail ... "

So corbyn never shook hands with dodgy dictators and millibands dad was not a marxist? Social media does not brand brexit voters as thick and stupid?...........


The "powers that be" certainly don't want a socialist government, and like trump, they will stoop to any "dirty tricks" to undermine his credibility."

This might come as a great shock to you. But the SNP run government in Edinburgh has left london labour AND scottish labour trailing in their wake policy wise...........

"You Vlad, have become a sad, unwitting pawn in their propaganda drive. Well done."

Deary me lol. And you mate live in a bubble where only YOUR views are correct. You cannot see anything outside of the life you live. You really need to see that even political folk look after THEIR interests first.......


"I hope Corbyn is still around for the next election. He'll get my vote."

So explain to me a good enough reason for me to vote for corbyn in a westmonster election? Corbyn does not stand in Scotland. Scottish labour stand in Scotland.

Corbyn is seen as a london centric politician. London is not the centre of the world where i live.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/20/2018 11:23:04 AM
Regarding london labour and the welfare budget..........

"Yeah, nice bit of editing there Vlad. Here's the bits you deliberately left out: However, Debbie Abrahams, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said Labour’s spending plans included £20bn over the next parliament to reverse Tory cuts to social security. She added that the party was committed “to ending the benefits freeze at the earliest opportunity”.

“Our plan will improve support for young people, sick and disabled people, unpaid carers, working families, bereaved families and pensioners,” she said."

"And that last line in your dishonestly edited version was said by Simon Hughs, and NOT By Torsten Bell.
It's just dishonest Vlad."

Where did i claim torsten bell wrote or said it?.............

"More quotes from the torygraph."
Tell you what then as the torygraph is not saying what YOU WANT to hear I'll use another source............



"The Tories' dementia tax U-turn will be remembered as the story of this election, no matter what the outcome - but by the wretched standards of this campaign, it's small fry.

Theresa May only changed her mind once about the controversial social care charge, while absurdly claiming she hadn't. Meanwhile Labour has shifted its stance on the benefit freeze at least five times in half a month.

There was surprise when Labour didn't even mention the freeze in its manifesto.

There was even more surprise when at the manifesto launch, Corbyn said that he would end the freeze - the first of four successive positions the party adopted on the policy that day, ending in a statement by Emily Thornberry that ending the freeze would cost too much.

There the matter lay until Jeremy Paxman brought it up in his televised interrogation of the Labour leader. Corbyn said - after much prevarication - that benefits "are not going to be frozen because they will be uprated every year as they should be".

Only for frontbench ally Barry Gardiner to 'clarify' hours later that Corbyn hadn't meant he would uprate all benefits, just some, costing £2bn a year.

Labour's press office takes the same line: "Labour will use our £10 billion pot [over five years] to reduce the impact on households with the lowest incomes by ending the benefits freeze."

The benefit freeze amounts to £3.3bn a year - although given that it runs until 2020, that could fit within Labour's £10bn pot.

But Labour has already committed the £10bn over five years to reducing the impact of cuts to universal credit, including the two-child limit with its attendant 'rape clause'.As Aziz

And those cuts to universal credit amount to £7.8bn a year according to the IFS - £2bn a year barely scratches the surface. Diverting that money to mitigating the benefit freeze would mean less money to axe the two-child limit, for example.

There hasn't been a mess like it during a recent major-party election campaign.

And that's not the worst of it - Labour's manifesto has precisely nothing to say about the welfare cap, which has hit households with 200,000 children, and which Corbyn was propelled to the leadership by voting against in 2015.

Why did this happen?

In theory, it's possible that this is old school triangulation - that Corbyn is trying to neutralise welfare as an issue by simply signing up to government cuts. But his clear desire to unravel his own manifesto in order to reverse them suggests not.

It could be that Labour simply couldn't find the money for it - but given the large spending commitments elsewhere in the manifesto, it's odd that Corbyn, who has always opposed benefit cuts, would allow himself to be outflanked on the issue by the Liberal Democrats.

Instead it looks like a blind spot. Jeremy Corbyn is an old middle class man. Shadow chancellor John McDonnell has a more working class background, but has been moving in political circles on good salaries for decades.

Their advisers are mostly - if not entirely - men, some of them from wealthy backgrounds.

For a supposedly working class movement, it's all remarkably middle class. And very male.

It's hard to imagine this happening in a party led by Angela Rayner or Rebecca Long-Bailey, two working class women in the shadow cabinet. The manifesto's childcare spending commitments were raised at Rayner's insistence.

Accordingly, Labour's manifesto makes significant commitments to undo much of the harm caused by the Tory and coalition governments (and the Labour government before them), including scrapping the hated disability benefit tests.

But what's clear is that in order to make headway with Labour, you have to be organised enough to pierce the homogenous culture at the top of the party.

But what rankles most is that since the manifesto, Labour has made more spending commitments - for university students.

The Labour manifesto pledged to abolish all university tuition fees. Corbyn then announced that fees would be scrapped as early as this autumn. But on top of that, he told the NME that he would also look to retrospectively wipe out or reduce the student debt of people who'd already graduated under the £9,000 fee system.

This would be a burden on capital spending, and so wouldn't effect Labour's deficit costings, but there are other debts that could be more urgently wiped than those of students - particularly given that the biggest beneficiaries will be the highest earning graduates.

Light years away from Labour's manifesto and the Corbynite circle running the show, households have been burdened with council tax debts as a result of Tory cuts to council tax benefit. These debts pile up year on year - and the other benefits debtors receive are then docked to repay it.

The Guardian reported last year that nearly 200,000 people were having their benefits docked to repay these debts. It's all a bit more urgent than retrospectively clearing student debt.

How aware of this Corbyn's inner circle are is anyone's guess - do local government figures get a hearing? Plenty of Corbynites talk about 'debt', but handed an opportunity to do something about it, they prefer to clear student debt than wipe the crisis debts of the poorest households.

It suggests a middle class cabal that only takes action if an issue is dumped loudly and repeatedly on its desk. Which sounds a lot like politics as usual.

In any case, Labour has bet big on the student and youth vote. Digging into the ugly mess of council tax debt doesn't win headlines and doesn't buy votes. Corbyn is betting that clearing student debt does. It smacks of a grubby, cynical ploy that prioritises bussing middle class students to the polls over people with genuinely unpayable debts.

Maybe this would all be fixed in a Corbyn government. Maybe he's just holding fire during the election. Maybe he would suddenly ditch his manifesto deficit commitments and axe the benefit freeze. But there's nothing in the manifesto to say that he would, and all else is projection.

Or maybe it's all just 'good politics'. But that only counts as a compliment inside the Westminster bubble.

Chaminda Jayanetti is covering the general election for Politics.co.uk. He tweets here.

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/06/07/why-labour-s-welfare-mess-matters
 duracell_bunny_one
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Posted: 3/20/2018 12:14:10 PM
Labour is attempting to buy the student vote.
If enough of them actually get out of bed
it could be a winning gambit.
'twill be after the election that the script will change...........
there will be wailing & gnashing of teeth & cries of 'we wuz robbed'.
But those of us old enough to remember the original Radio Caroline
will be only too well aware of where all this playing to the gallery
actually gets folk with their feet on the ground & hands stuck
firmly in pockets, ready for the next tax raid......
Labour will cheerfully Mullah these dewy eyed twats..after the vote......

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Posted: 3/20/2018 11:51:55 PM
I think Corbyn is about to lose all credibility....... I don't know what he did, but the BBC have turned on their little left wing golden boy.

https://imgur.com/a/iK2cQ

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