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 Justanotherchap
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Hmmm - welll - I see St Margaret's protege has just backed own on her idea of EU immigrants during the transition not having the same rights as before. Is there anything this government has not backed down on. Has there been any point to the negotiations as we seem to have just about accepted everything the EU has thrown at us. Even the sainted Jeremy is saying that we need to stay in the custom's union.

Almost forgot, during the transition period we will also lose the rebate St Margaret negotiated so rather than get back 350 million a week we'll be paying an extra 4 billion! These guys are making Trump look good.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/19/2018 1:27:25 PM
It's amazing the wee snippets that can be picked up online.

Not only did new labour introduce the vile sanctions regime in the dwp.

London labour were ORDERED to abstain rather then OPPOSE tory welfare cuts.........

"Labour was on Monday night in disarray after a fifth of the party's MPs rebelled during a vote on Tory welfare reforms.

Around 48 Labour MPs openly defied interim leader Harriet Harman by refusing to abstain on the Government's welfare bill which was passed with 308 votes in favour and 124 against.

Miss Harman believes that her party should not oppose all of George Osborne's benefits cuts in a bid to avoid the charge that Labour is the "party of welfare"."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11752496/Welfare-cuts-passed-despite-Labour-rebellion.html

But st jeremy of corbyn had THIS to say...........

"• Leftwinger Jeremy Corbyn said the rebellion had 'strengthened' the party because it showed there are still Labour MPs who care about those most in need."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11752677/Labour-in-absolute-meltdown-over-welfare-cuts-rebellion-as-Andy-Burnham-admits-it-is-a-mess.html

But oops. Is comrade leader st jeremy of corbyn not a man of idealism? Honesty? Ha ha is he fvck..........

"Labour manifesto ‘would keep £7bn of planned Tory welfare cuts’

At least £7bn of George Osborne’s plan to slash welfare will go ahead after the election even if Labour wins power, an analysis of the party manifestos has revealed.

Three-quarters of the huge package of benefit cuts announced by the former chancellor in 2015 are yet to be implemented, including a major reduction in support given to the low-paid, and limiting payments to families with more than two children.

The Conservative manifesto suggested that the party would plough ahead with the cuts, should it win a majority. However, despite opposition to the cuts within Labour, the party’s manifesto only pledges to reverse £2bn of the £9bn cuts to come as part of a review, according to an analysis by the Resolution Foundation thinktank.

It comes despite the fact that Jeremy Corbyn was among 48 Labour MPs to rebel against the party whip in 2015 to oppose the cuts. Corbyn also criticised the decision by the party’s frontbench to abstain during his first leadership campaign.

There are three areas in which big cuts are scheduled to be made in the next parliament. A further two-year freeze to most working age benefits, which includes Jobseeker’s Allowance, housing benefit and child benefit, is expected to save £3.6bn a year by 2021.

Reductions in the payments given to people in work through the new universal credit system are set to save £3.2bn. Meanwhile, limiting support to two children per family and reducing payments to new families will save £2bn a year.

Labour’s manifesto includes a pledge to hold a “review of cuts and how best to reverse them”. However, the Resolution Foundation said that the £2bn Labour has allocated for the review would reverse less than half of the £5bn cuts to universal credit and support for children.

It would also leave the benefits freeze intact just as inflation begins to bite.

The foundation said that, under Labour’s proposals, 78% of the welfare cuts would still go ahead.

Torsten Bell, the Resolution Foundation’s director and Ed Miliband’s former policy chief, lambasted both main parties for their failure to deal with the welfare cuts.

“Instead both parties are guilty of neglecting the living standards concerns of working families by allowing George Osborne’s welfare cuts to be rolled out, either in full with the Conservatives or largely intact under Labour’s plans.

"Improving the living standards of working people is the reason the Labour Party exists at all – something it’s time they remembered.”

“But after having voted to give Theresa May a blank cheque for Brexit, Labour is now is refusing to help vulnerable families cope. It is a double betrayal.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/20/labour-manifesto-keep-planned-tory-benefit-cuts-resolution-foundation

And yet the forum commissar continually slavers a load of shite that london labour actually give a fvck.
 Jo van
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Posted: 3/20/2018 7:08:41 AM

-Yeah, nice bit of editing there Vlad.
Here's the bits you deliberately left out:

However, Debbie Abrahams, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said Labour’s spending plans included £20bn over the next parliament to reverse Tory cuts to social security. She added that the party was committed “to ending the benefits freeze at the earliest opportunity”.

“Our plan will improve support for young people, sick and disabled people, unpaid carers, working families, bereaved families and pensioners,” she said.

And that last line in your dishonestly edited version was said by Simon Hughs, and NOT By Torsten Bell.
It's just dishonest Vlad.

It's clear you're just angry, and just want an argument.
More quotes from the torygraph.
Why not just quote some other famous brexiteers; Gove, Johnson, Foxy, Ledsom etc
There's plenty to choose from, and they'll all happily try to discredit Corbyn, just like you always try to do.
They usually write for the torygraph too, I think Bozza even has a "column"

Genuine question:
You say that you're also a socialist. (Maybe a "nationalist socialist"?)
So why am I the "forum commissar" [sic], and not you?

Particularly as you're so full of admiration for that other nationalist, your namesake; Vlad Putin....
I also noticed that you began another attempted attack on me, with the words "we all know"......
Who is "we"?

I think your beliefs are entirely your own.

-Once again, for clarity: I am not "London labour", I am not responsible for anything they might have said, or done, in the previous century, or in any times yet to come.
If you have issues with them, take them up with them.
I can't help you.
I'm just a voter, and I vote for the party who's views and stated objectives most closely resemble my own.

Corbyn's views have been fairly consistent, for about the last 35 years, (I've just checked, he's been the mp there for 35 years, reelected, time after time)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn

At this point, I fully expect you to resort to more Tory-inspired, Clarksonesque "ad hominem" nonsense about "macrame-knitting vegans in kagouls" or some other nonsensical stereotypes about the "liberal elite", worthy of the telegraph or breitbart, from where you often draw your inspiration.

I think Corbyn has some flaws, particularly (IMO) in presentation.
He hasn't mastered the tories' use of the media, but IMO., that's just because he's genuine,
whereas they are (more effectively perhaps?) "portraying leadership" by conforming to the kinds of "oily" stereotypes, which "market researchers" tell them get the best response from "focus groups".
-Because tories (and their American counterparts; republicants) tend to be wealthy, and funded by other wealthy people, and banks, and financial institutions, billionaires and businessmen, they tend to both have the funds and the ready-access to "marketing techniques" employed by such "noble British" firms, such as "Cambridge Anal-ytica".
-And those types of people also know how best to spread the kind of "memes" which pour scorn and derision on their opponents, -that Corbyn shook hands with various dictators, or that milliband's dad was a Marxist.
That sort of thing works well on 'social media', and in the daily wail ...

The "powers that be" certainly don't want a socialist government, and like trump, they will stoop to any "dirty tricks" to undermine his credibility.
You Vlad, have become a sad, unwitting pawn in their propaganda drive.
Well done.
I hope Corbyn is still around for the next election.
He'll get my vote.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/20/2018 11:20:57 AM
"Genuine question:
You say that you're also a socialist. (Maybe a "nationalist socialist"?)
So why am I the "forum commissar" [sic], and not you?"

Ooooo the old 'national' socialist dig eh? Lol. No the first time you have said that about me so please allow me MY jibes as well............

"Particularly as you're so full of admiration for that other nationalist, your namesake; Vlad Putin.... I also noticed that you began another attempted attack on me, with the words "we all know"...... Who is "we"?"

Ok I'll accept i do not speak for other posters. ANOTHER attempted attack? Ive been reading your posts on off topic for a while. You like dishing snide remarks to (in no particular order) john, kj, dee etc. Your ok when YOU make attacks on folk eh? Because they identify as Christians or voted trump? Reap what ye sow.........


"-Once again, for clarity: I am not "London labour", I am not responsible for anything they might have said, or done, in the previous century, or in any times yet to come. If you have issues with them, take them up with them. I can't help you.
I'm just a voter, and I vote for the party who's views and stated objectives most closely resemble my own."

So you IDENTIFY with london labour then? What policies of new labour appealed to you then? And once again i need to point out that labour DO NOT STAND in Scotland in Scottish elections.............

"Corbyn's views have been fairly consistent, for about the last 35 years, (I've just checked, he's been the mp there for 35 years, reelected, time after time) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn"

And in all those years he constantly voted against the orders of the labour whips. Now though HE DEMANDS everyone does as they are told..........

"At this point, I fully expect you to resort to more Tory-inspired, Clarksonesque "ad hominem" nonsense about "macrame-knitting vegans in kagouls" or some other nonsensical stereotypes about the "liberal elite", worthy of the telegraph or breitbart, from where you often draw your inspiration."

Stereotypes? You mean like brexit voters being xenophobic, racist, thick stupid white folk? Because you have used THOSE stereotypes many times. Anyone who complained about migration driving wages down were sneered at by you.

Whats your view on corbyn saying mass migration drives down wages? You forgot to answer.

As for breitbart london ALL the articles contain the ORIGINAL story source. Just because YOU dont like the stories they reprint in english does not make them untrue..........

"I think Corbyn has some flaws, particularly (IMO) in presentation.
He hasn't mastered the tories' use of the media, but IMO., that's just because he's genuine,"


I agree he is not media savvy. But he was a figure of fun for many years. The labour mp living in the 70's. HE IS STRUGGLING because now he wants citizens to take him seriously. But his past keeps coming back. He brought it on himself in my opinion.............

"whereas they are (more effectively perhaps?) "portraying leadership" by conforming to the kinds of "oily" stereotypes, which "market researchers" tell them get the best response from "focus groups"."

The tories are every stereotype you want them to be. No objection from me...........

"-Because tories (and their American counterparts; republicants) tend to be wealthy, and funded by other wealthy people, and banks, and financial institutions, billionaires and businessmen, they tend to both have the funds and the ready-access to "marketing techniques" employed by such "noble British" firms, such as "Cambridge Anal-ytica"."

Fvck me. Do you think that ONLY YOU are aware of that?............

"-And those types of people also know how best to spread the kind of "memes" which pour scorn and derision on their opponents, -that Corbyn shook hands with various dictators, or that milliband's dad was a Marxist. That sort of thing works well on 'social media', and in the daily wail ... "

So corbyn never shook hands with dodgy dictators and millibands dad was not a marxist? Social media does not brand brexit voters as thick and stupid?...........


The "powers that be" certainly don't want a socialist government, and like trump, they will stoop to any "dirty tricks" to undermine his credibility."

This might come as a great shock to you. But the SNP run government in Edinburgh has left london labour AND scottish labour trailing in their wake policy wise...........

"You Vlad, have become a sad, unwitting pawn in their propaganda drive. Well done."

Deary me lol. And you mate live in a bubble where only YOUR views are correct. You cannot see anything outside of the life you live. You really need to see that even political folk look after THEIR interests first.......


"I hope Corbyn is still around for the next election. He'll get my vote."

So explain to me a good enough reason for me to vote for corbyn in a westmonster election? Corbyn does not stand in Scotland. Scottish labour stand in Scotland.

Corbyn is seen as a london centric politician. London is not the centre of the world where i live.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/20/2018 11:23:04 AM
Regarding london labour and the welfare budget..........

"Yeah, nice bit of editing there Vlad. Here's the bits you deliberately left out: However, Debbie Abrahams, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said Labour’s spending plans included £20bn over the next parliament to reverse Tory cuts to social security. She added that the party was committed “to ending the benefits freeze at the earliest opportunity”.

“Our plan will improve support for young people, sick and disabled people, unpaid carers, working families, bereaved families and pensioners,” she said."

"And that last line in your dishonestly edited version was said by Simon Hughs, and NOT By Torsten Bell.
It's just dishonest Vlad."

Where did i claim torsten bell wrote or said it?.............

"More quotes from the torygraph."
Tell you what then as the torygraph is not saying what YOU WANT to hear I'll use another source............



"The Tories' dementia tax U-turn will be remembered as the story of this election, no matter what the outcome - but by the wretched standards of this campaign, it's small fry.

Theresa May only changed her mind once about the controversial social care charge, while absurdly claiming she hadn't. Meanwhile Labour has shifted its stance on the benefit freeze at least five times in half a month.

There was surprise when Labour didn't even mention the freeze in its manifesto.

There was even more surprise when at the manifesto launch, Corbyn said that he would end the freeze - the first of four successive positions the party adopted on the policy that day, ending in a statement by Emily Thornberry that ending the freeze would cost too much.

There the matter lay until Jeremy Paxman brought it up in his televised interrogation of the Labour leader. Corbyn said - after much prevarication - that benefits "are not going to be frozen because they will be uprated every year as they should be".

Only for frontbench ally Barry Gardiner to 'clarify' hours later that Corbyn hadn't meant he would uprate all benefits, just some, costing £2bn a year.

Labour's press office takes the same line: "Labour will use our £10 billion pot [over five years] to reduce the impact on households with the lowest incomes by ending the benefits freeze."

The benefit freeze amounts to £3.3bn a year - although given that it runs until 2020, that could fit within Labour's £10bn pot.

But Labour has already committed the £10bn over five years to reducing the impact of cuts to universal credit, including the two-child limit with its attendant 'rape clause'.As Aziz

And those cuts to universal credit amount to £7.8bn a year according to the IFS - £2bn a year barely scratches the surface. Diverting that money to mitigating the benefit freeze would mean less money to axe the two-child limit, for example.

There hasn't been a mess like it during a recent major-party election campaign.

And that's not the worst of it - Labour's manifesto has precisely nothing to say about the welfare cap, which has hit households with 200,000 children, and which Corbyn was propelled to the leadership by voting against in 2015.

Why did this happen?

In theory, it's possible that this is old school triangulation - that Corbyn is trying to neutralise welfare as an issue by simply signing up to government cuts. But his clear desire to unravel his own manifesto in order to reverse them suggests not.

It could be that Labour simply couldn't find the money for it - but given the large spending commitments elsewhere in the manifesto, it's odd that Corbyn, who has always opposed benefit cuts, would allow himself to be outflanked on the issue by the Liberal Democrats.

Instead it looks like a blind spot. Jeremy Corbyn is an old middle class man. Shadow chancellor John McDonnell has a more working class background, but has been moving in political circles on good salaries for decades.

Their advisers are mostly - if not entirely - men, some of them from wealthy backgrounds.

For a supposedly working class movement, it's all remarkably middle class. And very male.

It's hard to imagine this happening in a party led by Angela Rayner or Rebecca Long-Bailey, two working class women in the shadow cabinet. The manifesto's childcare spending commitments were raised at Rayner's insistence.

Accordingly, Labour's manifesto makes significant commitments to undo much of the harm caused by the Tory and coalition governments (and the Labour government before them), including scrapping the hated disability benefit tests.

But what's clear is that in order to make headway with Labour, you have to be organised enough to pierce the homogenous culture at the top of the party.

But what rankles most is that since the manifesto, Labour has made more spending commitments - for university students.

The Labour manifesto pledged to abolish all university tuition fees. Corbyn then announced that fees would be scrapped as early as this autumn. But on top of that, he told the NME that he would also look to retrospectively wipe out or reduce the student debt of people who'd already graduated under the £9,000 fee system.

This would be a burden on capital spending, and so wouldn't effect Labour's deficit costings, but there are other debts that could be more urgently wiped than those of students - particularly given that the biggest beneficiaries will be the highest earning graduates.

Light years away from Labour's manifesto and the Corbynite circle running the show, households have been burdened with council tax debts as a result of Tory cuts to council tax benefit. These debts pile up year on year - and the other benefits debtors receive are then docked to repay it.

The Guardian reported last year that nearly 200,000 people were having their benefits docked to repay these debts. It's all a bit more urgent than retrospectively clearing student debt.

How aware of this Corbyn's inner circle are is anyone's guess - do local government figures get a hearing? Plenty of Corbynites talk about 'debt', but handed an opportunity to do something about it, they prefer to clear student debt than wipe the crisis debts of the poorest households.

It suggests a middle class cabal that only takes action if an issue is dumped loudly and repeatedly on its desk. Which sounds a lot like politics as usual.

In any case, Labour has bet big on the student and youth vote. Digging into the ugly mess of council tax debt doesn't win headlines and doesn't buy votes. Corbyn is betting that clearing student debt does. It smacks of a grubby, cynical ploy that prioritises bussing middle class students to the polls over people with genuinely unpayable debts.

Maybe this would all be fixed in a Corbyn government. Maybe he's just holding fire during the election. Maybe he would suddenly ditch his manifesto deficit commitments and axe the benefit freeze. But there's nothing in the manifesto to say that he would, and all else is projection.

Or maybe it's all just 'good politics'. But that only counts as a compliment inside the Westminster bubble.

Chaminda Jayanetti is covering the general election for Politics.co.uk. He tweets here.

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/06/07/why-labour-s-welfare-mess-matters
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Labour is attempting to buy the student vote.
If enough of them actually get out of bed
it could be a winning gambit.
'twill be after the election that the script will change...........
there will be wailing & gnashing of teeth & cries of 'we wuz robbed'.
But those of us old enough to remember the original Radio Caroline
will be only too well aware of where all this playing to the gallery
actually gets folk with their feet on the ground & hands stuck
firmly in pockets, ready for the next tax raid......
Labour will cheerfully Mullah these dewy eyed twats..after the vote......

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Posted: 3/20/2018 11:51:55 PM
I think Corbyn is about to lose all credibility....... I don't know what he did, but the BBC have turned on their little left wing golden boy.

https://imgur.com/a/iK2cQ

(link copied from another website/forum)
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 3/21/2018 9:52:37 AM
I very much doubt benefits are a net cost at all. people at the lowest rungs of society spend most of their money locally unlike richer people who buy BMWs and holiday abroad.

As for student debt, I can't be bothered to look it up but I bet the taxpayer is on the hook for most of it. You don't start paying it nback until you're earning decent wages and it gets written off when you get to 45 years old anyway.
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Posted: 3/22/2018 9:30:31 AM
"However, Debbie Abrahams, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said Labour’s spending plans included £20bn over the next parliament to reverse Tory cuts to social security. She added that the party was committed “to ending the benefits freeze at the earliest opportunity”.

“Our plan will improve support for young people, sick and disabled people, unpaid carers, working families, bereaved families and pensioners,” she said."

Nice big statement that from Debbie Abrahams. London labour will do this and london labour will do that. Happy days indeed.

But alas it seems like debbie is in soapy bubble with the politburo. Sounds like london labour are a wee bit stalinist to me like..........


"The shadow work and pensions secretary, Debbie Abrahams, is being investigated by Labour over a “workplace issue” understood to be connected to claims of bullying, something she has vehemently denied.

In a brief statement, Labour said Abrahams had stood aside from her frontbench role while she was investigated.

She said she had experienced “aggressive, intimidating and wholly unprofessional” behaviour from unnamed people in Jeremy Corbyn’s office and had made her own complaint to Labour and to parliamentary authorities.

“My treatment by certain individuals in the leader’s office over the last 10 months has been aggressive, intimidating and wholly unprofessional. My treatment in the last week has shown a bullying culture of the worst kind. As such I am making a formal complaint to both the Labour party and parliamentary authorities.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/11/labours-debbie-abrahams-stands-aside-over-workplace-issue
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Posted: 3/22/2018 11:48:15 AM
That'll be Labour busy shafting itself again........
'Jennifers Gromits' The well known election loser
comes to mind (look it up-can't be bothered explaining)

What we are seeing is yet another of the several billion reasons
why I would vote 'Britain First' over Labour any day..........

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Posted: 3/24/2018 4:45:34 AM
So just a wee bit infighting in london labour but i reckon full civil war soon. All the dafties who jumped on the st jeremy of corbyn wagon regarding ignoring the brexit vote must now be questioning what exactly DOES london labour want regarding brexit.

It gave me a good chuckle reading this below. Sacked for not doing as he was told. The rank hypocrisy of the london labour politburo lol.

DON'T DO AS I DO DO AS I SAY...........

"Owen Smith has called Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to sack the former shadow Northern Ireland secretary a “mistake”, and defended his choice to break with Labour party policy by calling for a referendum on the final Brexit deal.

Smith, who was sacked on Friday evening after writing an article in the Guardian on the issue, said his decision to openly support a second Brexit vote was based on principle, and warned the Labour party was in danger of “sleepwalking” towards adopting a Brexit position that would damage the British economy."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/24/owen-smith-corbyn-sacking-me-over-call-for-brexit-mistake-labour


"Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour whip

The total number of votes cast by Jeremy against the whip, from 1983 onwards is 617.

These are made up as follows:

1983: 19 – which made him the 8th most rebellious Labour MP

1987: 36 – 7th most rebellious Labour MP

1992: 72 – 3rd most rebellious Labour MP

1997: 64 – the most rebellious Labour MP

2001: 148 – the most rebellious Labour MP

2005: 216 – the most rebellious Labour MP

2010: 62 – 3rd most rebellious Labour MP

In other words, whilst Labour was in government, Corbyn was consistently the most rebellious Labour MP, rebelling a total of 428 times."

http://revolts.co.uk/?p=932

Wonder if corbyn is a racist for saying that cheap migrant labour drives down wages?
 billybonds
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Posted: 3/24/2018 10:55:20 AM
Eagle 70s is great....gold and magic soul. ..too .. this town is getting
Like a ghost town.. the man with the golden gun...you can thank
your lucky stars...ghost town is 80s. .inspired by Maggie! !

Jennifer's ear was that 87 or 92...wasn't it the seven year war or
something or have I got the whole thing wrong..


Corbyn won't get the printing press (and hence no socialism) if he doesn't
row in behind "it's all the Russians' fault" meme..


He's not racist for insisting an increase in the supply of
something lowers its price...

Jo wants a one world government ...he's either napoleon or
boxer...I'm a globalist but only in the sense that I want
8 billion sovereign individuals ..


When you're in love with a beautiful woman. ..you go it alone...
Dr hook ....

Has chap gone home ???


Jenkins ' ear ......war of Austrian succession. .....apparently
1992 jennifer's ear....boogie!@#$!!I just can't control feet...


Springs forward falls back.....we are losing an hour
off Monday though......since you've been gone...rainbow
I think .....I spent an unhealthy amount of time with my
accountant today .....all I have to do is pay my corp tax now
and he says he won't bother me until my personal tax return
next January. ....schools out....burn baby burn
I think it's tavares. .......disco inferno...
...
 billybonds
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Posted: 3/25/2018 2:39:35 AM
It's a very unfortunate mural. The British left really do have a problem with Jewry. Very backward people..

Still I don't believe jeremy Corbyn is a racist. He's right to regret his support for the mural. I blame the silly artist, who ruined a great chance to eviscerate the bankers.

The bankers, who do sit on the backs of humanity, playing their monopoly paper games. While we all vote for their puppet politicians who keep the people by means of fear and hope in increasing debt serfdom, bribing them with small amounts of their own labour and killing them and their children in wars of patriotism, fake freedom, theology and any number of godless ideologies such as Western democracy.

If you don't fix the money you only fix its symptoms, that is zilch.
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Posted: 3/25/2018 6:09:58 AM
Vlad, Corbyn wasn't on the "front bench", or a member of the "shadow cabinet" when he rebelled.
But nice to see you standing up for someone who wants a second referendum, just like wee Nicky.
Corbyn rebelled on most of the same issues on which I would have, like Iraq, Kuwait etc.,
- so did robin cooke and Claire Short, who both resigned or were sacked.
Your continued "demonisation" of labour, orchestrated by the tories, and using "assets" like Cambridge Analytica, to spread their targeted propaganda, might explain why there are now more Tory Scots MPs than there are labour.

It's a very unfortunate mural. The British left really do have a problem with Jewry. Very backward people..

You really don't seem to do much thinking, before you post.
You support the conservative party and a monarchy, both of which are all about "conserving" OLD, backward-looking "traditions", and "customs", etc.

My views on religionS and "race" don't represent any party, and are considered to be something of a "minority" view.
"Identity politics" has reared its ugly little head (again) in recent years, and this has caused politicians to pander to majority delusions.
"Offending" any of these bunches of religious "cults" loses votes.
It's all about "populism" and "demographics" these days...
I would prefer to win the arguments logically, and using science.
IMO., we should be moving away from these primitive, discredited "beliefs", and not pandering to them.
But I'm not a politician.
I can say anything I like.

"Jewish" is just another religion.
-Just another erroneous set of "beliefs".
-But like I said; it's all about "identity politics" these days.
-They also CLAIM to be a "race", despite it being obvious that anybody can choose to join, or to leave this alleged "race", at any time, -and they have always done both!
-And they continue to do so.
Ironically, the only other people who thought they were a "race", were the nazis. [/Godwin. -No returns]

But Britain's historic involvement in the establishment of some sort of "religious theme park" in the former Palestine is a mistake which still "haunts" the whole world today.
The "Balfour Declaration" which started the whole thing, was addressed to "lord Rothschild", a prominent "jewish" banker. [/Rhyming Slang]

When Britain still had an empire, they routinely imposed their own adopted religion on the conquered territories,
-in the case of "israel", when they moved out, they imposed another, which complimented their own "woo-filled" beliefs in the myths contained in the "bibble".
Religion and politics are synonymous in many places.

Essentially, the people who believe themselves to be "jews" claimed that a big, invisible sky-pixie "gave them the land", some 3,000 years ago, and about 100years ago, the British government concurred; that this was a "valid claim".
After WWII., we would have probably given them Belgium, if they'd asked for it.
-The "guilt" caused by that one monstrous mistake, caused another.
You couldn't make it up.

Belief in this drivel has caused chaos, destruction, mass murder, and misery, both in Europe, during WWII., and in the Middle East, where all three "abrahamic" religions originated, ever since their inception, and they continue to do so today.

Tiptoeing around these delusions, simply for the sake of getting a few more votes, is not something I could ever do.


why I would vote 'Britain First' over Labour any day..........

I don't think anyone is surprised.
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 vlad dracul
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"Vlad, Corbyn wasn't on the "front bench", or a member of the "shadow cabinet" when he rebelled."

I never said he was............


"But nice to see you standing up for someone who wants a second referendum, just like wee Nicky."

Who is sticking up for him? I merely posted an article............


"Corbyn rebelled on most of the same issues on which I would have, like Iraq, Kuwait etc.,
- so did robin cooke and Claire Short, who both resigned or were sacked."

So were the SNP. And was corbyn at one time extremely anti eu." As was his mentor tony benn........


"Your continued "demonisation" of labour, orchestrated by the tories, and using "assets" like Cambridge Analytica, to spread their targeted propaganda, might explain why there are now more Tory Scots MPs than there are labour."

Oh dear. You just cannot accept that SCOTTISH LABOUR stand in elections up here. You struggle with that eh?

Is that the same targeted propaganda that obama used? Funny that eh?

You want to know why Scottish torys have more representation than Scottish labour?

You have commented yourself about the disgrace of the libdems going in partnership with the tories. You gloated when the libdems were rightly slapped for doing so.

Wee london labour and Scottish labour went into partnership with the tories during indyref.

That is WHY Scottish labour got slapped. One day that fact might enter into your ill informed posts regarding Scotland.

Ps is corbyn a racist for saying cheap migrant labour drives down wages?
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Chuckles ...well I for one was surprised when bunny dissed our dear Prince charles. You can't take it jo that there are at least two people on here who leave you standing when it comes to revolutionary radicalism .

I am not a monarchist but a constitutional monarchist. .
I've related this to you for the last time=!!

Not in 83, 87, 92, 97, 01, 05, 10, 15 or 2017 have I voted for the conservative and unionist party. How that makes me a conservative I shall never comprehend especially since I regard them as SOCIALISTIC globalist SCUM.

The eu is a slave vassal camp of Donald Trump. I knew Tony Benn and while Tony Benn wasn't my friend you sir are not Tony Benn.

As for targeted propaganda ....what ???....it's completely normal..


And yes I don't do much thinking before I post.
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Here is summat odd.... I would vote for Boris. That maniac is a genius
 vlad dracul
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And so it came to pass that st jeremy of corbyn sat on a nest of jew hating vipers. But, they wailed. It is not anti jew we cry, it is anti zionism.

Alas after many years of accusing ANYONE who questioned the mass importation of cheap exploited labour of being an istismophobe their wailings fell on deaf ears. And caused much merriment amongst working class citizens who watch as london labour squirm.

The jew haters in london labour now feeling emboldened because the party is now led by some 70's throwbacks.

Reap what ye sow london labour..............


"The idea of free movement for EU citizens is politically toxic now. But we can change public perceptions

This isn’t to question the anti-racist politics of the Labour leadership: for the London Labour* left, issues of race and defending migrants and refugees were always an article of faith, not least for the shadow home secretary, Diane Abbott.

Jeremy Corbyn’s first act as Labour leader was to speak at a rally in defence of refugees, and speeches by leading figures emphasise challenging the scapegoating of the foreign-born.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/30/freedom-of-movement-not-abandoned-eu


No owen. You hated st jeremy of corbyn. Yet you have had an 'obama on the way to george looneys place in hollywood to collect a big fat cheque' type revelation?

After years of calling ANYONE questioning the mass importation of cheap migrant labour as racists and istismophobes we have taken our revenge.

The fvckin abbottsaurus has a cheek talking about racism. She is a hypocritical racist lying cvnt. It was alright when SHE sent Finish nurses back to their homeland because they were 'too white and had probably never seen a black person'.

Funny old game innit?

* london labour eh? Thought they did not exist?

Josef Spartacus
YOU claimed many many times that anyone claiming cheap migrant labour drove down wages was a racist. St jeremy of corbyn has said cheap migrant labour drives down wages.

Is HE a racist?

You keep forgetting to answer.

Get yourselfs a nice big carry oot and some crisps. The 'tolerant' (unless you are a jew) london labour party are about to kick off a civil war.
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IMO., Labour, in common with all other political parties have "made a rod for their own backs", by aligning themselves with the currently fashionable, "identity politics".

Speaking only for myself; if I were "labour", I'd be asking for a definition of "semites", rather than simply capitulating to yet another "mass-media", capitalism-driven attempt to discredit labour as a movement, by promising to "make changes". It's a panicked response IMO.

The word "Semite" is actually a purely linguistic definition, -nothing more.
Though there exist some people who wish to declare it an "ethnicity" or "race", this is nonsense, and unsupported by science and facts.

The most widely spoken Semitic languages today are (numbers given are for native speakers only) Arabic (300 million),[5] Amharic (22 million),[6] Tigrinya (7 million),[7] Hebrew (~5 million native/L1 speakers),[8] Tigre (~1.05 million), Aramaic (575,000 to 1 million largely Assyrian fluent speakers)[9][10][11] and Maltese (482,880 speakers).[12]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages

If "semites" exist at all, then surely the most "anti-Semitic" of all communities, are the people who believe themeselves to be "jews", in the newly formed "israel", for the way they have pushed the indigenous "semites", the Palestinians, from their lands.

They did this, based on the myths contained in their allegedly "sacred" books, which claimed that a big, invisible sky-pixie "gave" them the land, about 3 thousand years ago.
Based on that, they drove 700,000 people from their homes, bulldozing entire villages, some with the occupants still inside, armed, supported, and funded by Britain, America, the west, even Russia, they murdered any who objected, and claimed the land as "theirs".

It's funny how people always claim religions are a good thing, or benign, yet they turn a blind eye to the injustices committed "in its name".
Yesterday, heavily-armed "israeli" soldiers opened fire on unarmed civilians, protesting inside the wire which confines them to their allocated ghetto: the Gaza Strip.
They killed 16(?) and wounded hundreds more, by shooting through the barbed-wire fences.
So much for "good Friday" eh?

Like most religious extremists, they are quite prepared to kill anyone who they feel has "disrespected" their religion.
-And their religion says that "god gave them the land", so they're prepared to kill anyone who disagrees with that.

This is really an example of the dangers of "identity politics".
The "jews" don't accept that it's simply another deluded religion, they claim it's both an "ethnicity", AND a "race".
So (alleged) "anti-semitism" mysteriously becomes "racial hatred".
-Despite the fact that anyone can leave or join this alleged "race", and they always could, and have.
"Jewish" is a very good (extreme) example of the folly of the entire paradigm of "race";
the only genes which have been found so far, which link them at all, historically to that area, are shared with the Palestinians, if "jews" are a "race", then the Palestinians, who they treat so appallingly, are also members of it.
But religions dictate "facts".
And they hate to be challenged.

I'm not "anti-semitic", because it's an entirely fictitious category, invented by people who believe in sky-pixies.
I'm against ALL such invented categories, and the "nationalism", and division, and conflicts, which they inevitably spawn.

But I don't expect someone who'd be prepared to fight and/or kill someone, for simply wearing a different coloured scarf, to understand any of that.
Like most people, you're only happy when you're surrounded by like-minded individuals who share your own delusions of "tribal identity", and confirmation bias.
It's a herd mentality.

I'm happiest alone.

Religions and alleged "races", and "nationality" are all rolled into "identity politics", which are the cause of most of the world problems and injustices today.
It's all "self-ascribed" nonsense of course, with no foundation in science, to substantiate any of it, but I don't know of any uk politicians who are brave enough to publicly say that, including Corbyn.


And now, a musical interlude:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hTYbrFxDXJs

Have a nice weekend.
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Boring song JV - try this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY

Happy Easter
 vlad dracul
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Oor jo
See? You CAN do a decent ish post sometimes. As for identity politics they are not going away anywhere soon. I admit there are things and issues i identify with.

One of them is atheism. So in that regard you yourself 'identify' with something.

Now that silly london labour bint who got binned yesterday is a victim of the political climate SHE helped to create. Secret facebook pages that you could only access by INVITATION.

For st jeremy of corbyn to say he was not aware of some of the anti jewish hatred posted on the site is frankly laughable.

So i seen on sky news that twat eddie izzard took the daft bints job. Now eddie izzard ticks all the right boxes for generation snowflake. But does london labour actually think working class areas which used to be labour strongholds are going to pay any attention to a geezer dressed as a wummin?

Working folk have very little choice in picking political folk to represent them. Which is why voter numbers were in freefall. Until brexit. For once the VOTE COUNTED.

But i cannae wait on izzard going to say Redcar where thousands were thrown out of work when the steel plant closed. Some middle class twat wearing make up and high heels berating working class voters for voting brexit will be a right vote winner.

Oh and you avoided the question AGAIN. Is corbyn racist for saying imported cheap migrant labour drove wages down?
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"As an MP, (sadiq khan) he once went straight from voting in parliament for post office closures to a public meeting where he protested against post office closures."


Do any of yous lot live in or near londinistan? This was quite an interesting take on sadiq khans role as mayor of londonistan. His win in the election to become mayor of londinistan was greeted with a mass kleenex moment by the elitists. It was a rerun of obama getting elected.

But poor citizen khan. He will not back st jeremy of corbyn. So now he's a cvnt............

"According to people at City Hall, Sadiq Khan writes some of his own press releases. I can believe it: they’ve certainly become a lot more excitable since he took over.

I like to imagine the Mayor of London, late at night, combing the thesaurus for fresh superlatives to bugle his ‘unprecedented programme of far-reaching improvements’ for the taxi trade (allowing black cabs in more bus lanes) or his ‘bold package of measures’ to revive street markets (creating a London Markets Board and an interactive map).

One release even panted that Khan had ‘personally scrutinised’ the New Year’s Eve fireworks display ‘to make the acclaimed event the most exciting yet’.

Language like this — the bold mayor, the German Democratic Republic, the powerful Commons paperclips committee — is normally taken to mean the exact opposite of what its user intends. Yet even though we are nearly halfway through Khan’s term, most people still accept him at face value.

Few seem to have noticed that, outside the realm of the press release and the TV interview, he is underachieving badly.

Before the election, Khan promised that his housing policy would ‘rival the NHS with its transformative effect on society’. He said he would ‘support housing associations… to ensure a minimum of 80,000 new homes a year’, more than in any year, save one, in London’s entire history.

Few expected Khan to keep such epoch-making promises. But we did expect him to do something. City Hall figures show, however, that in the first year of Khan’s term, London did not start building a single social rented home.

With two years of Khan’s term nearly now gone, the great social justice warrior has finally managed to begin (drum roll) 1,263 social rent homes, many of a type he once denounced as ‘not genuinely affordable’.

The same pattern applies in most other mayoral policy areas: big promises, followed by things going inexorably backwards.

Crime is up by 12 per cent since he took office, with a far bigger rise in murders. February and March were the first months in history when London homicides exceeded New York’s.

On transport, Khan claimed that he could ‘both freeze fares and invest record amounts modernising London’s transport infrastructure’. Fares have, in fact, only been frozen for some travellers.

But the impact (together with a cut in government grant) has still left Transport for London so short of money that it can no longer pay the interest on its debts.

As it said in a leaked memo: ‘If this was our household budget, this would be the same as not having enough money left over from our salary each month to pay our interest–only mortgage or get our car serviced.’ TfL has now been forced to suspend routine road maintenance, stop many investment programmes, and make serious cuts to the bus network. Even the first phase of this has reduced services by 7 per cent overall — and on some routes by 50 per cent.

For the first time in 25 years, public transport use is falling, with tangible impacts on congestion. The drop might, of course, have been greater without the fares freeze: but in London it is the quantity and quality of service, more than its price, which has driven usage. And each year, the revenue foregone, and the damage to services, will compound.

Khan’s promise of both real-terms fare cuts and increased investment exemplifies his greatest weakness — his wish to have it both ways, or more brutally his long-standing inability to make decisions.

Depending on how strictly you count it, for instance, Khan as mayor has voiced between two and six different ‘no. 1 priorities’.

As an MP, he once went straight from voting in parliament for post office closures to a public meeting where he protested against post office closures.

He wobbled interminably over Boris’s Garden Bridge, reversing his position five times. He was against Heathrow expansion, then in favour, and is now against it once more — and so the list goes on.

In politics, making decisions which make a difference — building homes, raising fares to invest, taking roadspace for cycle lanes — is contested and risky. So it’s easy to see why Khan prefers to act like the shadow cabinet member he once was, using the job mainly as a platform to build his personal profile and attack the government.
It wasn’t me, Miss, it was the Tories!

But Khan is not in opposition. He is in office, the holder of substantial powers and responsibilities, and there is a limit to how long he can carry on blaming all London’s problems on others. Nor is it in Londoners’ interests to attack the government constantly when it gives you most of the money you spend. Perhaps Khan is becalmed because he saw the mayoralty mainly as a stepping stone to his actual goal of the Labour leadership. Now that option has receded, his lack of purpose at City Hall has become clearer.

Yet for the moment, at least, people seem very happy with Khan. His approval ratings are high. Those who watch him closely — most of his Labour colleagues in councils and the London Assembly, a handful of journalists — know he’s not doing well. But why hasn’t the public noticed?

For one, the mayor of London is under less political and media scrutiny than any other major leader. London’s paper, the Evening Standard, does a bit but not enough.

The national press sees him largely as local news. Most people’s knowledge of Khan is limited to favourable snapshots: lantern-jawed TV clips after terror attacks, or encounters with the kind of enemies anyone would kill for. Every ding-dong with Donald Trump, Chris Grayling or a far-right turniphead disrupting one of his speeches is political gold for him.

Khan also benefits from two important hopes held by most decent people: that Britain’s multi-faith society should succeed, and that Labour should be rescued from the claws of the hard left. At the same time it’s assumed he speaks for Londoners on Brexit — Londoners who are happy only because the regressive impacts of his policies haven’t bitten yet (the bus cuts, for instance).

But it’s also because the Tories are so useless. Khan’s underperformance — along with the gift that is Momentum — could help them avoid at least total disaster in May’s London borough elections. Why aren’t they jumping on it?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/sadiq-khan-is-a-lousy-london-mayor-why-hasnt-anyone-noticed/
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St Jeremy of Corbyn is currently in my home town, in fact hes speaking at a community centre around half a mile from my flat today. Actually just been told that hes speaking at a local church hall (which has even less capacity than the community centre).

I'd be recognised and turfed out if I went (not because Im so famous, just because some local Labour folks know me from campaigning at election time) and Ive no intentions of going anyway

Support is dipping up here for Labour (probably the Richard Leonard effect) and he's up to tell us how great it would be for us Jocks under a Corbyn led Govt

I'll pass on that one.
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I don't understand what is happening with the electorate except maybe to say that I was wrong. I quite like Corbyn but he and his fellows have zero impact on persuading voters that the Tories are rubbish. Given the austerity measures which no one seems to like, constant stories about the NHS in crisis, Grenfell and now headline news about failing prisons. this government ought to be an easy target but labour have made no inroads.
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I don't understand what is happening with the electorate except maybe to say that I was wrong. I quite like Corbyn but he and his fellows have zero impact on persuading voters that the Tories are rubbish. Given the austerity measures which no one seems to like, constant stories about the NHS in crisis, Grenfell and now headline news about failing prisons. this government ought to be an easy target but labour have made no inroads.


His Brexit position has done him no favours, he has lost a lot of support over that from Labour voters. As has the Labour habit of abstaining. The press doesn't help in my view, I think we have a very biased one and there are people in England who are seeing now the amount of bias that Scottish people saw in the 2014 referendum. Labour is also still chock full of Blairites as well, personally I don't think Labour would do any better under a Blairite leader than they would under Corbyn. I think he's the best they've got, he's just weak opposition. When hes had the chance to nail May at PMQs he hasnt taken it. Ian Blackford has been better opposition in my view.

The issue is that too many people are politically apathetic. They don't vote and think all parties are the same.

The Corbyn bounce was talked of up here, but in reality they clawed back 1 vote for every 50 they lost in 2015 and it was 1 in 113 if you took Ian Murrays share out.

Richard Leonard is just plain old shite. I was actually worried when he got it over Sarwar as he had a socialist rep but he's been a wet lettuce. Sturgeon hands him his backside on a plate every week at FMQ's and he is another reason why support for Labour is dipping in Scotland.
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