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Msg: 51
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That's great but even the greens have put their one out,
Sein fein too and the conservatives who are promising
a hard brexit (the name given by quislings for the lawful
return of our democracy ). I mean I wouldn't mention it
but to some posters this appears of import.
Joined: 8/8/2014
Msg: 52
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Posted: 5/24/2017 7:27:08 AM
So he says, you won't find the answers on your phone and then
all my edit text didn't post. And now several hours after nearly
getting removed from the course here I am all passed, save a first
aid course and a live practical in the field so to speak. What a world..
people who leave school and either through
university or nepotism get to feel passionate about the whacky world of clipboarding ...
viz ..method statements and risk shitting.

East croydon now, what a shit place, the Manhatten of south flats everywhere. Mark my words when all
this implodes or explodes, the bank of England, a private cartel
of banks started by a Scotsman in 1694 and plundering working people since,
will buy the lot and hand them over to HMG so they can make them council flats.
It's the circle of bowlocks..

You know I really think this does not matter a jot....but from the top of my head on page 54 and ooooooooh 59 .. i
think it did seem worth mentioning....if the snp , an awful nation wrecking party, doesn't put one out's cool
.........Are we friends yet.......
Joined: 8/9/2011
Msg: 53
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Posted: 5/24/2017 8:55:30 AM
What does money matter when a dystopian future beckons as a result of man's inhumanity to man? Billy, you might think it's all a matter of getting the country's finances in order by escaping the clutches of the lizard people who are constantly making signs of the devil in their selfies and who feast on the flesh of infants but politics involves a lot more than economics, it's about creating policies and passing laws to improve people's everyday lives and create a better future. Politics are unavoidably emotional in our multi-tiered society and you should respect that Pauline is engaged and active in her local community to the extent that she is, instead of going on about how the only thing that could possibly come out of an independent Scotland is financial ruin.

Our greedy consumerist society will cope and carry on regardless should every overly expensive convenience we currently enjoy be taken from us. All that matters is our safety and the preservation of some semblance of used to be that a monarch would cry "Off with their heads!" now we've evolved into a people who's rulers respectfully request we don't 'lose our heads'.

I can't express how bad I feel for the people of Manchester, the whole of the UK.... I'm filling my head with all the stories of the people who helped their fellow victims, their bravery, their generosity...their humanity; trying to remind myself that there is a lot of goodness in this world even though I'm so saddened such an attack happened. I don't understand why it has to be like this.
Joined: 1/14/2017
Msg: 54
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Posted: 5/24/2017 11:46:07 AM
This lousy government does not give a damn about the poor, their children or their wretched lives, make no mistake the parents of those children living in poverty are not the ones behind closed curtains lying in bed while you drag yourself into work, they ARE
the ones dragging themselves into work....for below minimum wage and zero contract, shame on this government and their lies, It's like a Dickens novel....but then they weren't novels were they
Joined: 1/21/2015
Msg: 55
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Posted: 5/24/2017 12:10:32 PM what's changed?...........

Politicians are politicians, always were, always will be -

I'll vote in this charade of democracy
and wait for the cries of
'we woz robbed'
from those that couldn't be arsed........

think about it.........

Joined: 5/10/2013
Msg: 56
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Posted: 5/24/2017 1:37:22 PM
"Still no SNP manifesto yet, deary me what carry on , what a shower. I don't think they should run a whelk stall. Thank god they are not going to be in charge of the country or we would be bankrupt before the morn"

If you are going to pontificate Billy - get your facts right. As Pauline said the SNP manifesto launch was postponed in the light of the Manchester atrocity.

You bang on and on about loads of shyte as if you have the first clue what you ae talking about. personally I think you are fookin clueless.
Joined: 8/8/2014
Msg: 57
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Posted: 5/24/2017 2:10:39 PM
I know Tartan about the mighty policy document....just so you know for sure too.

What am I clueless about in particular or
is it everything in the known universe, because
I'd say you were correct.

Vvvvvv Well done scarey i've never read any manifesto
.....but i feel you have fine instincts when confonted
by the bullshit....

Joined: 8/9/2011
Msg: 58
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Posted: 5/24/2017 2:19:43 PM
/\/\/\ Jaysus Billy, you shock haven't read it or any others? Bloody hell, what exactly does inform your opinions? I' m really really interested to know.

Well...I know how I'll be voting next time around and I won't be voting for the old order i.e. the preservation and continuity of centuries old bollix and bullsh1t, for one ancient adversary versus another....fvck that! I'll be voting for people before profit at all cost.

I did start to read the Conservative party manifesto and all I could think was that I could write better and that it was all manipulative tripe using various tricks of the was an insult to voter's intelligence and it made me feel angry for UK voters. I only got as far as 'the five giant challenges' facing the next government (international terrorism wasn't one of them) before I quit reading.

Corbyn seems an interesting prospect, he could lead the country to peace....but I genuinely know nothing and understand less.
Joined: 10/17/2016
Msg: 59
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Posted: 5/24/2017 2:34:56 PM
I was Labour until my late teens / early twenties n saw them going down the tubes.
It'll take a LOT to get me back.
Between the tories n the non labour labourites, we have a choice not unlike the Useless of A... right or far right... eff the lot o them
SNP all the way!!!!
Joined: 8/8/2014
Msg: 60
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Posted: 5/24/2017 4:05:23 PM
Well scarey ^^^^^ I watched politics for a number of years and I can see Pauline and others have gotten drunk with the SNP , I myself was perhaps equally drunk on Thatcherism at one point and adored Milton Friedman but not now. Post 2008 I've been on a journey. Talking with like minded people albeit socialists I began to notice I couldn't quite give them answers to their questions on free markets, in short the data so to speak didn't correspond with the theory. Stuff like the U.S. trade deficit. I also wondered if there was any difference between Friedman (charismatic arsehole ) and say Hayek . And there was and I liked Hayek 's explanations and intellectual modesty.

So following 2008 I began watching the money and not the politicians . I read widely and ignored politicians completely until quite recently . Learned about the Imf , the federal reserve , jp Morgan. " gold is money all else is credit" ..... The ECB , the JCB.. Bank of international settlements ... Especially the history .... Of money and credit.. 2008 was the Great Depression but bigger, it didn't happen, the central banks saved the world. The fundamentals are sound is a favourite expression. No they're not , they are much worse... If this was football instead of economics it would be like Scotland winning the World Cup five thousand years of economics we have never seen fundamentals such as a negative yielding bond.... And there is so much more going on. A few years ago I read David Stockman's the great deformation and was blown away by his expose of modern America... But for pure unadulterated fun I 'd recommend a book I tried to avoid for so long and begun reading Reluctantly. I don't know why I say this but it's like catch22. The author is utterly anti socialist but don't let it put you off, as he exposes the world of banking. Every few
Pages I would have to stop put the book down and laugh out loud at this world and the way we all are. The book is the creature from Jekyll island and it is long but so funny.

Vvvvv people get drunk on religion ..... Politics ... Party politics.....
Are we friends Pauline ....?
Caramac is distinct like rand Paul
Good night you Pauline sleep soundly....

Joined: 8/9/2011
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Posted: 5/24/2017 4:31:33 PM
Thanks for your openness. I'll certainly look out for the book and read it too, if I find it.

Having googled the author and an associate of his I'm feeling inspired and considering becoming a world renowned 'lunatic' myself, I just have to figure out what ideas I'd like to peddle to the'll be something to do with love I think....tagline being "Hate kills more people than tobacco"'s a work in progress, but I am aware that promoting paranoia will progress my aim, that's going to be my starting point.
Joined: 8/8/2014
Msg: 62
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Posted: 5/24/2017 4:44:56 PM
You've disappointed me scarey .... I expected intelligence, go back to your manifesto and prepare for serfdom.

Ha vvvvv and I was only joking , I thought my reply was the reply of a genius ......might you not now be feeling a bit like
Pauline and me ? Err?? Self praise is no praise.....????? If you read the book you will thank me , it will be worth a thousand
Others as the author is much maligned for his views but the story is true and his opinions are his....Pauline 's my friend now,
So obviously I ' m going to praise the Snp manifesto tomorrow..

Pooh think you doth protest too much ;) who's Billy what's it you big name calling bully....Irish , I see ...

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Msg: 63
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Posted: 5/24/2017 4:52:56 PM
tsk tsk Billy.....that's no way to react to a little bit of teasing.

I can't really offer more on the subject till I read that book and research more on the people you mentioned.

Besides, I think I made a very intelligent joke. Might you be feeling now the way Pauline might have been feeling?

Hahaha....I'm not feeling slightly miffed at all at all.

Henceforth I shall refer to you as Billy Buachaill.
Joined: 8/9/2011
Msg: 64
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Posted: 5/24/2017 5:43:18 PM

Self praise is no praise.....????? If you read the book you will thank me , it will be worth a thousand
Others as the author is much maligned for his views but the story is true and his opinions are his....Pauline 's my friend now,
So obviously I ' m going to praise the Snp manifesto tomorrow..

Pooh think you doth protest too much ;) who's Billy what's it you big name calling bully....Irish , I see ...

Is Pauline your friend? I think that she doth thinketh that you doth obfuscate a touch too much for her liking, you pleaseth her not.

Yes, Buachaill....a nod to your Irishness and level of maturity.

And as far as I am concerned self-praise is bloody marvellous considering I am my own worst critic. We will have to wait and see what I think of the book, meanwhile....I recommend to you Marshall McLuhan's 'The Global Village', you'll enjoy that.
Joined: 8/8/2014
Msg: 65
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:35:13 AM
Ok, I was rough with Pauline although It was never my
intention and was merely sharing some fun with her but that's what all bullies say , so I apologise for being so hard on her. Also... :( sorry i called you a bully too scarey, but I'm human and have little time for politics and the masses going all gooey over these people the world over . A world of sound money and small government is my ideal but fat chance.

The U.S. economy is slowing down and something worrying is happening in the chinese credit markets. QE is rampant but the Americans are signalling a rate hike in june and promising to reduce the assets on their balance sheet. This is Quantitative tightening. And while it won't affect the lovely Theresa getting back into number ten, as the year goes on this does portend a recession. Hedge fund manager Crispin Odey, whose fund lost 50% last year, says we (the u.k.) are starting to now borrow money we wont pay back. America is there with bells, I'd say and credit is in this system that's not good.

Bitcoin has now gone to $2400 dollars, it was $3 in 2011, this is instructive, bitcoin is doing what gold should do if gold wasn't manipulated by governments in the paper gold markets which may as well be bottle tops. Gold going to $10,000 an oz is not gold going up but the dollar going to near zero value. This is not my prediction but a central bank guarantee . Money must hold its value... fiat v gold now.. in 1971 gold was $35 dollars an oz. In 2017 $1,250 dollars was needed to buy an oz. QED..

I'm in tottenham doing test sheets....drinking tea and contemplating a fry up.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 66
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:19:30 AM
Almost everything the "mainstream media" use, to try and "spin" Corbyn as a "disaster", I see as a positive.
He was consistently against the Iraq (and other wars) war.
He talked to the IRA., and this was "spun" as a "sin", until it emerged that so we're the government, only they were giving out immunities from prosecutions too.
Against trident.
Against the privatisation of our infrastructure.
Against the removal of the rights to "unfair dismissal", and industrial tribunals.
Against "Zionism" and its continued expansion.
Against tax "sweetheart deals" with big businesses.
Against singing "god save the queen".
Against the "bedroom tax", and "pip" and the removal of benefits from the most vulnerable.
Against the latest "Alzheimer's tax"
Against "austerity" for the poor.
Against tax cuts for the rich, and for corporations.

Corbyn may not be able to solve or control world events, (the banking crisis started in the USA), and the USA declared wars after "9/11" etc)
But I do think he'll make the decisions I want to see, based on compassion and need, and he wants to see this country improved through infrastrure, without relying on the "private sector", who will "bleed" us forever.
In short, if he does what he says, we'll be moving in the right direction.

He'll get my vote.
Even though where I live, it's Tory or liberal.

Evan Harris used to be the mp, and he was alright. One of the few "openly" atheist politicians, but I still voted labour.
Mainly because he hadn't helped me at all, when I'd asked, and further: when the furore about family members was in the news, I got a pamphlet through my door, claiming he'd never employed any, but I know that not to be true, as his dad had visited me, on his behalf.

We've currently got a Tory, and I could vote liberal, "strategically", to lessen her chances of winning again, but I think Tim Farron's an idiot.
So it'll be Labour again, even though "they" claim it's a "wasted" vote.

The people's flag is deepest red
It shrouded oft our martyred dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold
Their hearts' blood dyed to every fold

Then raise the scarlet standard high
Beneath it's folds we'll live and die
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We'll keep the red flag flying here

It waved above our infant might
When all ahead seemed dark as night
It witnessed many a deed and vow
We must not change it's color now

Then raise the scarlet standard high
Beneath it's folds we'll live and die
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We'll keep the red flag flying here
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Msg: 67
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Posted: 5/25/2017 2:44:19 PM
Yeah, I like Corbyn he's presentable , and decent and he!s doing well, I also agree that he can't change the world ..
Nor can May either. Sadly for his supporters he is not going to win. I could never stand Evan Harris . Tim farron with his hair Colour sitting in a brown chair on his battle bus belted in like a little child , what a loser. Image consultants please.

Night Pauline keep dreaming ;)
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Msg: 68
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Posted: 5/27/2017 7:13:33 AM
You Gov (BBC site) is still at 5%.
All maggie May needed after that dreadful attempt at arse covering
over that would-be joke manifesto was the Manchester atrocity.
We have a lady here who seems to major in shriek & knee-jerk.
Corbyn is busy playing the Elder Statesman card.....
which from someone who has spent his life as a thinly
disguised raging Trot is a bit rich (& cunning).
I gather that the army are to be pulled back -
quite why they were deployed is a bit of a mystery known
only to Those That Matter - the last bit of stunning news
I saw is that Manchester police had invaded a bus......
all reassuring stuff, I suppose.
Back ot, I think her & company are going to win,
subject to her not doing any more of the 'Britain can take it'
Face it guys - do we have an alternative?

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Posted: 5/27/2017 7:18:22 AM
Never ever trust you gov. It's nothing to do with the BBC. It's based in Oxford Uni n has been shown to be a tad partial to them that donate.
A bit like trust pilot, but with financial backing. Trust pilot goes on fake reviews. You gov goes on selective results.
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Posted: 5/27/2017 8:48:48 AM
Corbyn was starting to talk sense, right up until he started blaming our involvement in middle eastern conflicts for the Manchester bombing.

If he can't work out that some people just want to watch the world burn, then he's got a long way to go.
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Posted: 5/27/2017 9:03:59 AM
That we should have intervened in the Middle East is open to question but if we are going to do it we needed a coherent after action plan. We didn't have it for any of the wars we got involved in.

Obama pointed out that we were expecting the good guys to take over in Libya but without any support from us, within 12 months the situation was out of control and the result is what we have now. Do you really not expect some blowback from that?
Joined: 1/21/2015
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Posted: 5/27/2017 11:54:36 AM
Someone (I forget who) once described hindsight as an exact science...........
Has St Corbyn of Aramathia just got himself a time machine?
Learnt to walk on water?
I, being totally hacked off with maggie May & her mates
would sooner put burning skewers into my own eyes
than vote for what passes as the opposition...........

 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 73
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Posted: 5/28/2017 5:42:00 AM
May's manifesto is unraveling, and she's trying to do a u-turn in the middle of an election.
They're not even "strong and stable" about their own manifesto.

You'd think that a party which overturned their own "rule" of "fixed-term parliaments", and introduced by them, would have been prepared prior to calling the. "Snap-election", and given themselves the advantage of already having their "running shoes" on, when they fired the starting pistol.

Instead, the other parties got theirs out first, and the hastily-called election led to a hastily-compiled manifesto, which even members of her own cabinet had no knowledge of.
They caught themselves by surprise.
They are probably also startled, by their own reflections.

So Corbyn had the temerity to say that our "foreign policy" and various wars might have some bearing on "terrorism".
That seems perfectly sensible and feasible to me.
It may not be the direct "cause", but there's a definite "narrative" that the "judeo-christian" "west" has supported and instigated the dispossession and oppression of "muslims" in the Middle East, and created a theological "disneyland" in the former Palestine.
Our (the west's) continued support for "israel", and the perpetuation of the fairy-tales on which it's founded will continue to cause division, until we cease to remain "in denial" that the whole project was a massive (historical) mistake. (From the Balfour Declaration and before).

Corbyn has always recognised the magnitude of the injustice which has taken place in Palestine, and been attacked for that, by the "conservative" main-stream media, (and those with deeply-held religious delusions. )

When the tories came to power, in 2010, GDP growth had returned to about 1.9-2%.
Their policies reversed growth for about the first 3 years, and after 7 years, wages have increased by only 8%, while prices have increased by about 17%.
There are more people in work. -But only because they've forced people to accept low-paid, insecure jobs, on "minimum wage", (which they opposed when it was introduced) or "zero-hours" contracts.

They've fvcked-up the NHS (again), with another "top-down" reorganisation, and changes to doctor's contracts, and now the nurses are threatening to strike (for the first time ever).
Their last "manifesto" pledged that wouldn't happen.

They've cut council budgets by 40% (where I live), and it's from those budgets that services like social care are funded, which has put. Extra pressure on an already-struggling NHS.

If they get in again, there'll also be similar disruption to our education system, With their planned underfunding, which will lead to increased class-sizes, and reductions in staff.

That's because "ideologically", the tories believe that the "state" shouldn't help.
-unless it's "corporate welfare".
- or inheritance tax,
Or cuts in taxes for the very wealthiest.

In their "hearts" (which is a debate in itself! ) they still believe in "trickle-down" : "let the richest become even richer, and everyone will benefit".
This ignores obvious history, which demonstrates the exact opposite: that the money actually defies gravity, and "trickles-UP.

There's more inequality than ever, since these policies were enforced, by Thatcher.
More "food-banks", more poverty, more pitifully low wages, topped-up with benefits,
And more and more billionaires.
There's just as much money about, more than ever before in fact (Billy, ), it's just that fewer and fewer people have now got it ALL

It's a simple choice:
If you want "austerity" for ever, (but only for the poor masses), vote tory.
If you want to invest, and build a better, more hopeful future, vote labour.

Labour built the NHS, the national grid, schools, social homes, and all the previously, publicly-owned utilities and infrastructure,
- and they did all that, ( with the help of the population), while running a debt of close to 200% of GDP, which they inherited after WWII.

"The public gets what the public wants", as Weller so memorably crooned.

If people want change, they could make it happen.
I'm just an interested observer.
Have a nice sunday
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Posted: 5/28/2017 5:46:30 AM
This must be hypergraphia. Where's the coffin dodger gone? OrangeTiger? We need someone well versed in pop-psychology here.
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Posted: 5/28/2017 9:49:46 AM
i've been happy to tell jo when i think he's talking rubbish in the past.
in post 107 he is not talking rubbish.

so may thinks we should vote for strong and stable? given whats gone before, it's clear she's promoting jeremy corbyn then, he's stood against all the naysayers including those in his own party and he's still standing. his policies have been consistant and unchanging, he doesn't rewrite them if he gets unfollowed or de-friended, it's called having the courage of your convictions!

i don't usually bother to vote, since the only choice has been which party you want to carry out the policies, had there been a difference in the policies i may have chosen otherwise.
i object to bunny saying i dont have a right to complain, since as far as i was concerned there was no choice to make.

localy in the past i voted libdem to keep the tories out, the libdem candidate won, then promptly defected to the tories taking his seat with him, that was worth it then.

as for the foreign policy quote made by jo, jo usually over eggs the pudding i guess he was short of eggs this time, to use what was a popular critisism not so long ago, what part of reap what you sow do you not understand!

a quote atributed to general yamamoto on hearing that the japanese declaration of war had not been delivered to the americans "before" his fleet attacked pearl harbour in 1941.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve"

it is not a new revelation!

there was no declaration of war or any other indication of an impending attack on iraq, the united nations council had not sanctioned military action, the uk and the usa were founding members of the un
and breaking the rules they were a party to creating!
inspite of that on 20 march at 5.34am local time the coalition began bombing iraq!

there has been a blatant display of racism as well, those civilians blown to bits by the coalition are refered to as collateral damage, those blown to bits by the is are refered to as victims, i should add there has been a hell of a lot more collateral damage than victims!

with the exception of corbyn all the party leaders and their parties have claimed the actions of the west in iraq,libya and syria are in no way to blame for the terrorists actions in the west, but agree that the events in manchester are responsible for the attacks on muslims since, either they are stupid or they think we are!

bush, blair and their collaberators being held to account would be a step in the right direction, but i can't see that happening.

thanks to pauline for answering my question, i can understand you wanting to get away from remote control from london but i still cant understand your belief that remote control from the eu would be an improvement.
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