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Never ever trust you gov. It's nothing to do with the BBC. It's based in Oxford Uni n has been shown to be a tad partial to them that donate.
A bit like trust pilot, but with financial backing. Trust pilot goes on fake reviews. You gov goes on selective results.
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Msg: 102
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Posted: 5/27/2017 7:29:24 AM
Id rather see corbyn as PM than Thatcher. This is the most right wing govt since Thatcher

It's going to be horrendous if she gets back in again.

Corbyn hasn't pretend to be anything other than he is.

Do we have an alternative? We should. To a tory party that pick on the sick and disabled and want to scrap the human rights act and bring back fox hunting.

Nothing could be worse than them getting in again.

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Posted: 5/27/2017 8:48:48 AM
Corbyn was starting to talk sense, right up until he started blaming our involvement in middle eastern conflicts for the Manchester bombing.

If he can't work out that some people just want to watch the world burn, then he's got a long way to go.
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Posted: 5/27/2017 9:03:59 AM
That we should have intervened in the Middle East is open to question but if we are going to do it we needed a coherent after action plan. We didn't have it for any of the wars we got involved in.

Obama pointed out that we were expecting the good guys to take over in Libya but without any support from us, within 12 months the situation was out of control and the result is what we have now. Do you really not expect some blowback from that?
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Posted: 5/27/2017 9:09:41 AM
Were there any attacks on the UK before the UK invaded Iraq? Isis?

Corbyn was spot on..

May sells arms to Saudi to bomb Yemen.. How many deaths have the west caused.

Spot on. Blair and Bush caused this.

It's horrible that innocent people died in Manchester. Heartbreaking. But they are responsible for millions of deaths around the world and if we had left Iraq alone none of this would be happening.
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Posted: 5/27/2017 11:54:36 AM
Someone (I forget who) once described hindsight as an exact science...........
Has St Corbyn of Aramathia just got himself a time machine?
Learnt to walk on water?
I, being totally hacked off with maggie May & her mates
would sooner put burning skewers into my own eyes
than vote for what passes as the opposition...........

 Jo van
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Posted: 5/28/2017 5:42:00 AM
May's manifesto is unraveling, and she's trying to do a u-turn in the middle of an election.
They're not even "strong and stable" about their own manifesto.

You'd think that a party which overturned their own "rule" of "fixed-term parliaments", and introduced by them, would have been prepared prior to calling the. "Snap-election", and given themselves the advantage of already having their "running shoes" on, when they fired the starting pistol.

Instead, the other parties got theirs out first, and the hastily-called election led to a hastily-compiled manifesto, which even members of her own cabinet had no knowledge of.
They caught themselves by surprise.
They are probably also startled, by their own reflections.

So Corbyn had the temerity to say that our "foreign policy" and various wars might have some bearing on "terrorism".
That seems perfectly sensible and feasible to me.
It may not be the direct "cause", but there's a definite "narrative" that the "judeo-christian" "west" has supported and instigated the dispossession and oppression of "muslims" in the Middle East, and created a theological "disneyland" in the former Palestine.
Our (the west's) continued support for "israel", and the perpetuation of the fairy-tales on which it's founded will continue to cause division, until we cease to remain "in denial" that the whole project was a massive (historical) mistake. (From the Balfour Declaration and before).

Corbyn has always recognised the magnitude of the injustice which has taken place in Palestine, and been attacked for that, by the "conservative" main-stream media, (and those with deeply-held religious delusions. )

When the tories came to power, in 2010, GDP growth had returned to about 1.9-2%.
Their policies reversed growth for about the first 3 years, and after 7 years, wages have increased by only 8%, while prices have increased by about 17%.
There are more people in work. -But only because they've forced people to accept low-paid, insecure jobs, on "minimum wage", (which they opposed when it was introduced) or "zero-hours" contracts.

They've fvcked-up the NHS (again), with another "top-down" reorganisation, and changes to doctor's contracts, and now the nurses are threatening to strike (for the first time ever).
Their last "manifesto" pledged that wouldn't happen.

They've cut council budgets by 40% (where I live), and it's from those budgets that services like social care are funded, which has put. Extra pressure on an already-struggling NHS.

If they get in again, there'll also be similar disruption to our education system, With their planned underfunding, which will lead to increased class-sizes, and reductions in staff.

That's because "ideologically", the tories believe that the "state" shouldn't help.
-unless it's "corporate welfare".
- or inheritance tax,
Or cuts in taxes for the very wealthiest.

In their "hearts" (which is a debate in itself! ) they still believe in "trickle-down" : "let the richest become even richer, and everyone will benefit".
This ignores obvious history, which demonstrates the exact opposite: that the money actually defies gravity, and "trickles-UP.

There's more inequality than ever, since these policies were enforced, by Thatcher.
More "food-banks", more poverty, more pitifully low wages, topped-up with benefits,
And more and more billionaires.
There's just as much money about, more than ever before in fact (Billy, ), it's just that fewer and fewer people have now got it ALL

It's a simple choice:
If you want "austerity" for ever, (but only for the poor masses), vote tory.
If you want to invest, and build a better, more hopeful future, vote labour.

Labour built the NHS, the national grid, schools, social homes, and all the previously, publicly-owned utilities and infrastructure,
- and they did all that, ( with the help of the population), while running a debt of close to 200% of GDP, which they inherited after WWII.

"The public gets what the public wants", as Weller so memorably crooned.

If people want change, they could make it happen.
I'm just an interested observer.
Have a nice sunday
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Posted: 5/28/2017 5:46:30 AM
This must be hypergraphia. Where's the coffin dodger gone? OrangeTiger? We need someone well versed in pop-psychology here.
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Posted: 5/28/2017 6:18:00 AM

Never heard of that. Is that a new word for writing shite?
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Posted: 5/28/2017 6:22:10 AM
No one has to vote for the opposition. There are areas where people can vote tactically. Or people can simply vote for another party.

If I were hacked off by theresa may I certainly wouldn't be voting for them to get back in again.

I don't vote labour but jo isn't talking shite.
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Posted: 5/28/2017 9:49:46 AM
i've been happy to tell jo when i think he's talking rubbish in the past.
in post 107 he is not talking rubbish.

so may thinks we should vote for strong and stable? given whats gone before, it's clear she's promoting jeremy corbyn then, he's stood against all the naysayers including those in his own party and he's still standing. his policies have been consistant and unchanging, he doesn't rewrite them if he gets unfollowed or de-friended, it's called having the courage of your convictions!

i don't usually bother to vote, since the only choice has been which party you want to carry out the policies, had there been a difference in the policies i may have chosen otherwise.
i object to bunny saying i dont have a right to complain, since as far as i was concerned there was no choice to make.

localy in the past i voted libdem to keep the tories out, the libdem candidate won, then promptly defected to the tories taking his seat with him, that was worth it then.

as for the foreign policy quote made by jo, jo usually over eggs the pudding i guess he was short of eggs this time, to use what was a popular critisism not so long ago, what part of reap what you sow do you not understand!

a quote atributed to general yamamoto on hearing that the japanese declaration of war had not been delivered to the americans "before" his fleet attacked pearl harbour in 1941.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve"

it is not a new revelation!

there was no declaration of war or any other indication of an impending attack on iraq, the united nations council had not sanctioned military action, the uk and the usa were founding members of the un
and breaking the rules they were a party to creating!
inspite of that on 20 march at 5.34am local time the coalition began bombing iraq!

there has been a blatant display of racism as well, those civilians blown to bits by the coalition are refered to as collateral damage, those blown to bits by the is are refered to as victims, i should add there has been a hell of a lot more collateral damage than victims!

with the exception of corbyn all the party leaders and their parties have claimed the actions of the west in iraq,libya and syria are in no way to blame for the terrorists actions in the west, but agree that the events in manchester are responsible for the attacks on muslims since, either they are stupid or they think we are!

bush, blair and their collaberators being held to account would be a step in the right direction, but i can't see that happening.

thanks to pauline for answering my question, i can understand you wanting to get away from remote control from london but i still cant understand your belief that remote control from the eu would be an improvement.
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Posted: 5/28/2017 11:46:10 AM

so may thinks we should vote for strong and stable? given whats gone before, it's clear she's promoting jeremy corbyn then, he's stood against all the naysayers including those in his own party and he's still standing. his policies have been consistant and unchanging, he doesn't rewrite them if he gets unfollowed or de-friended, it's called having the courage of your convictions!

That is exactly what I've been thinking

I do think May is making an ar$e of herself.

Here's a documentary I think you'll find interesting, given what's occurring in the pre-election UK
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Posted: 5/28/2017 12:06:43 PM
"Diane Abbott: My views on IRA, like my hair, have changed"

says it all, really............

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Posted: 5/28/2017 12:17:49 PM
Post 107.....sounds like a soviet gulag. There are people all over the world rolling their eyes up into their heads as jo and Jeremy play a few songs from the good old days..of a foolish and dead ideology that doesn't work.

Let's just look at Venezuela a country that I seem to remember reading was once (1950s?)the 4th richest country in the world where it counts, per head. Now look at them with the largest proven oil reserves in the
world and the once mighty bolivar at 5,800 to the dollar a coming piece of toilet paper itself.

Don't get me wrong, this election I have felt stirrings in myself that I had all but given up on. Yes Jeremy is lovely. Yes, we all live under the American empire and empire is
about spreading one's values, one's democracy and of course some excess usually in the form of genocide, slavery and plunder. For Mr Corbyn to point this out has made a lot of us forumites feel very good about ourSelves and from there we can make the world a better Place for you and for me and the entire human race. Lovely song .

Of course Manchester is blow back for Western foreign policy . America and her allies created both Al-Qaeda and isis. And Jo is completely correct in saying western
Corporations are on welfare. And with huge swathes of the people eating and drinking at the socialists trough one wonders who is paying. For as Margaret Thatcher said ( i have a t shirt) socialism is fine until you run out of other people's money.

Now a short paragraph on Nicola, Theresa and Donald
Where does Scotland get its money to pay for its socialism ..
I'd say the U.K....And the UK ? I'd say the American imperium. So I'd say that our socialism is being paid for in blood by billions of the world's poor.

Jo alludes to money and inequality in Britain I think ? Because no one wants equality for the world's poor,
because that would mean real austerity. Four billion are on three dollars or less a day. That's worse than Keith Joseph times a million. I'm certain jeremy only
wants the printing press, less blood on his hands , a bit
of grandstanding and then to get assasinated before the
Chicks come home to roost.

Out there in left wing academia in thinking tanks, sponsored by the rich, the constant chatter these days is the basic wage. Very important these places of thought
for it is one way to get to some very silly people with
ideas they can then put forth to the great unwashed.
I can see Theresa promoting £10,000 pounds a year and Jeremy £12,000. Although Theresa might revise her figure to £15,000 if her poll numbers shrink.

So we can vote Theresa who will be the businesss as usual
candidate who will mouth the goooey words that will give
us cover to pretend we are civilised. Or Jeremy who will
make us feel really good so much better than Theresa, just
not so long in my opinion.

Storm clouds 2008 2.0... remember nine years ago when the american socialist global party of limb removal came
off the rails? ....well this is party 2.0...china has joined it now...Canada...and australia...too..the only one that I can see that ain't up for a shindig is Vlad. Look at him in the corner half smiling pretending to sip paintstripper. Russia's about the only country I can see that's standing back from
the homicidal lefty, rampaging, spendthrift, insolvent imperium that America has become in my life time.

So one trillion dollars reaches out 68,000 miles into space.
The entire world has $250 trillion dollars of pure debt to service even at 0% and with jim mcdonnell, we are going to find it hard to pay that down while buying bombs to drop on muslims and giving free caviar to every scottish child.

We can't do it. I know we can't and not because we have our heads up our collective socialist backside. It's because
our elected finest seeing where the votes were, decided to
move things off balance sheet, calling that debt , unfunded
liabilities ....well in for a penny in for a pound sterling (it means genuine.ha!) So our finest and their overlords cooked up derivatives...sigh....kinda of insurance
but not really, still it's an obligation to pay at a point in the
future all unregulated....any way if you add that to the pure
debt the number comes to two and half quadrillion dollars.
your taxes are really not going to service the pure debt.

The implication is an epoch defining collapse in living standards. Party politics has never seemed so irrelevant in the face of this reality.

On topic Jeremy corbyn...I love him...keep him ....he's a national treasure....
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Posted: 5/28/2017 12:46:55 PM

"Diane Abbott: My views on IRA, like my hair, have changed"

says it all, really............

What does it say?

Are we going to pretend that British foreign policy in Ireland for centuries is actually forgivable? Are we going to pretend that it was alright and perfectly reasonable that the British Army in Northern Ireland shot dead civil rights marchers on Bloody Sunday/The Bogside Massacre ...none of those marchers were connected to the IRA. What the British did then was inadvertently recruit for the IRA. This is fact.

The Good Friday Agreement wrought many changes in the IRA membership, The IRA gave up their weapons and disbanded...a new group emerged, The Real IRA....anyway it seems obvious that Diane Abbot would naturally change her opinion as time wore on and everything changed along with the times, or is she supposed to be stuck in a time warp like Rudd and May?
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Posted: 5/28/2017 1:09:25 PM
You know eff all about Scottish politics. Clear from your rantings. The snp are slightly left of centre. And if you think Scotland gives nothing to the UK or world economy you are off your tiny mind.

Great unwashed! Facepalm

Oh. And you lose the right to bleat about people earning poverty wages abroad if you contribute to it. Which I bet you do.

Mr fur coat nae knickers

Away you go and vote for treeza and give me peace

By the way some of the great unwashed in my family have masters degrees and are far more politically switched on than you are.

Not that it would take much.

As for your assassinated comment about corbyn. Words fail me.
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Posted: 5/28/2017 3:48:10 PM
Charming ....I know that you want to tear my country apart, for a flight of fancy at a horrific economic juncture in world history.

If you want to talk childishly in left right centre terms then I put you on notice that Magaret Thatcher was a socialist in my eyes, Theresa May a centrist socialist and Jeremy Corbyn a total socialist. Scotland is not a nation like the uk or Europe wants to be and when I say nation , I mean slave nation to the USA . A slave nation , needs a vote and then a Printing press and until then it's no more a nation than England. It's a heavily subsidised part of the U.K. with poor wealth creation and a tax footprint that obviously comes from someone else's dinner table . And you want to put two armies on the island of Great Britain. I don't think that serves the working class well. Don't fret England is no earth shaker either , we are all lucky that we have the venal city of London to prop what lifestyles we do have for now up.

I do not vote for the global socialist fiat debt based fractional reserve system. That's my contribution. And I won't be cowed by your puerile insults. My last vote was for our country's independence , namely called brexit. You being some sort of freedom fighting secessionist voted against it , thanks. My last vote in a general election was 1987 for labour. I spoiled my ballot paper in 2015 because it was my right and responsibility.

I never insulted your family, the great unwashed word was to distinguish the insiders who are few from the outsiders who are many.

Vvvvvvvvvvvv. I have not !
I'm horrified , can't they find productive employment
You always say I haven't a clue as if I'm clueless .....I dressed myself this morning you know!
I've been to Scotland so much beauty but I felt oppressed , there are scots in London made to feel
like foreigners too. Such a shame. Loved 39 steps the thirties one. Goodnight Pauline sleep well ...
See you tomorrow.... hopefully you and I can be more agreeable ......
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Posted: 5/28/2017 4:01:02 PM
Puerile insults! You've been digging at me for weeks on here.

Away you go. You called socialists the great unwashed in previous posts. Stand by it.

And for the record. If I don't ever see Scottish independence I'll live with that.

There's more to the snp than independence. They do a very good job running Scotland. So you can take your wanting to tear your country apart digs and crack on.

Because if you had any clue you'd know that there are several parties in Scotland who want independence.

The ssp. There's a labour for indy movement. The snp. The Scottish greens. There are other groups such as the common weal and radical independence. There are even tories who want indy

Not just the snp.

I only joined the snp in 2014. Along with around 90000 others. Im very glad I did but there's more to the snp than independence. Again if people lived in Scotland they'd see that.

And there are Scots in England who are quite happy! And vice versa.

Why are you digging at me for voting remain! It's a personal choice! It didn't affect the outcome of the vote. Go celebrate with a caramac!

I'll be agreeable when that wee fud mundell gets his jotters and not before :)

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Posted: 5/28/2017 4:30:54 PM
It was golden wonder ready salted tonight....
Who is wee fud mundell ?
Not digging at you for voting remain just saying my piece..I don't really have the strong feelings I profess..:) ....
Just joshing , a bit.... Still think we have a dollar problem ...though
Theresa is going to win though and the SNP independence thing will probably go away , hey maybe England leaves first ...
You might stay then ? Is it all an English thing? Just between you and me.....

Nighty night my lovely ...

Actually it was walkers ...

Ahhh I see .....

You really need to win a referendum...Pauline ....

I just googled him Pauline , he's a fine looking man lol......still he"s someone's son..

I'm going to stop eating them , certainly the chicken ones.

I had some chicken McNuggets the other day , they claim there is chicken in them .
No taste , but they were warm and with the barbecue sauce they were alright. And yet
I felt immobile relative to other foodstuffs after.. Curious stuff....

I reckoned I've made you pass out through exhaustion Pauline ???.....

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Posted: 5/28/2017 4:40:53 PM
It won't go away!

David mundell! The only tory mp in Scotland.

Just a shame he's going to get the boot and someone else will pick up a seat

It's not very nice having 54 snp mps and being told what Scotland wants by the only tory mp in Scotland

And he's particularly obnoxious. Face you'd never get tired of smacking etc


It's not anti English to want indy. But yes you might get indy first. Sob. I'd never get over it

Walkers are better crisps by a mile. Except they don't recognise unions and use real chicken in their chicken crisps!
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Posted: 5/28/2017 6:23:43 PM
"My last vote was for our country's independence , namely called brexit"

"My last vote in a general election was 1987 for labour."

"Theresa is going to win though"

i wouldn't be so sure, i didn't bother voting in general elections because as i said i did not consider there was a choice and i know i'm not the only one.
in the referendum i voted out because there was a very real choice, again i know i'm not the only one.

i think the voter turnout says it all, the turnout for the referendum was 72.2% the highest since the general election of 1992 which was 72.3%

if the people perceive they have a real choice they will make the effort.
i believe the turnout for the coming general election will at least equal that of the referendum and personally i believe it will exceed it.

the difference will be made by the silent majority folk like me, and i'm sure there are many of them as demonstrated at the referendum, those making predictions are all at sea, they are clueless.

just for a change i plan to vote in this general election and my vote will be cast for jeremy corbyn, i make the distinction because he is the reason i will vote inspite of labours stance on the eu, i think it would be suicidal for any party to not leave the eu as voted for by the majority.

i would like to say jc is going to wipe the floor with the tories but then i'm biased, i know very well not everyone sees things the way i do.

thanks scary for your post and that link, i have watched over half of it (it's pretty long innit) i have it paused on a tab for later.

here's a link you may find of interest you can skip the gushing american intro by fast forwarding to 0:50
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Posted: 5/28/2017 7:19:51 PM
Hmmm...halfway through your video now, it's certainly very interesting but I feel, in light of the fact the woman speaker has an agenda, that it might be wise not to trust what she says completely.

I went to a German school and some of what she says doesn't sound familiar ....but of course, Germans wouldn't talk about the war really, they, understandably, didn't want it to be remembered. Our school principal was a member of the Hitler youth, he was born in Germany, not Austria. He told us he was forced to join.

I visited Vienna with a school friend and her mother, we were visiting her mother's school friend. Then, in the 80's, you could still see the destruction caused by the war, beautiful buildings replaced by awful pre-fab looking was a strange mish-mash and I thought it was an ugly city which didn't please the woman I was a guest of. I was only there for two days.
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Posted: 5/28/2017 11:07:59 PM

But did you watch it all......I wonder what education she got instead, just fast forward to when she starts on Obama and gun laws, evil ****, you have to be careful who's propaganda you wish to believe
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Posted: 5/29/2017 12:53:55 AM
Bloody Hell.....just finished watching it. I had to take a break earlier because of the hectoring and an awareness that it didn't ring true and also because she was promoting an agenda, but I hadn't copped on to what she was really up to....comparing Obama to Hitler.

I'm in complete shock at her terrible cheek and what dangerous liar Frau Kitty Werthmann is. What a b1tch!

I'm hoping try1more showed me that because it's an example of propaganda and it related to the link I shared with him which was a documentary about how the Nazis used to make films about Ireland's oppressors the British in Ireland....their propaganda backfired on them and only served to inspire their captives in France and Poland etc. to rise up against the Nazi regime. I was thinking that May is attempting to paint an untrue picture of Corbyn and that it might backfire on her like it did for Hitler, although of course, it's true about the Brits in Ireland....their governments and rulers, throughout the centuries past.
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Posted: 5/29/2017 1:15:59 AM
"if the people perceive they have a real choice they will make the effort.
i believe the turnout for the coming general election will at least equal that of the referendum and personally i believe it will exceed it.
the difference will be made by the silent majority folk like me, and i'm sure there are many of them as demonstrated at the referendum, those making predictions are all at sea, they are clueless."

I was reading this article in the new statseman last week and the labour geezer says exactly what you wrote. For once voting for brexit actually meant something. WE got the chance to show THEM. And boy oh boy do THEM not like that.........

"For large numbers of voters - mainly Leavers but some Remainers too - voting has changed something. They like the feeling. With Brexit "we" made a choice; "we" made something happen. (And "we" did something that most of "them" didn’t want us to do). That is more important to many than whether the decision was necessarily a good one; after all no one can really tell."

Watching sky news a wee while ago their newspaper review showed an article of women, still alive who never had the right to vote at first.

All the young dafties who lay in their wanking chariots expecting others to vote for them should take note.

As for the car crash interviews with the abbottsaurus on telly regarding her hairdo and the ira. Yes we needed to talk to sinn fein. It had to happen. But to mention her barnet!!!!!
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