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 hopefulhunk
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Msg: 51
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Do you know the definition of those terms?

Here: sentient= able to perceive or feel things.

so the plants know they are being eaten and act to protect themselves.
Yet no other explanation to this awareness... save an anecdote?
Ok?
How about the study when plants are dropped?
Or how music effects them? Or just the sound of munching caterpillars. .. even when none are around?
How about memory?

So they hear, taste, respond to gravity and threats, sense things blocking their roots and move,
respond to anesthesia, produce their own dopamine like and serotonin like compounds...
have memory of a month or so... yet are not aware of their surroundings?

Great anecdote... did you pull the legs off bugs when you were little?
Do you think bugs don't know they are missing limbs either?
Surely you jest.



Cress, you made the claim.
Now you don't want to discuss it?
Weird.
Issac Asimov memorial debate...
are we real or a living in a computer simulation.
You mean, like the matrix?
Sci-fi memorial debate?

That is why I brought up sci-fi.

Two hours is valuable. Are you trolling to get folks to waste their time?
Didn't you just mention something about integrity or something or other?

You are right. No need to discuss.
Thanks for bringing it up though.
 CressB
Joined: 7/1/2011
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Why is there human life on earth?
Posted: 5/22/2017 1:36:08 AM

Sci-fi memorial debate?


Asimov was a scientist, and a prolific writer about science fact, in addition to being a science fiction writer, hence the panel of heavy hitters like Max Tegmark - Much like Arthur C. Clark, who envisioned the global communications satellite/network. Asimov's ideas about robotics were revolutionary, despite them being fiction, and indeed greatly influenced the whole of society's perception about the subject. Not only this but he also coined the idea/concept of psycohistory, an idea that google is currently trying to prove to be true, or such is their stated goal. The memorial is to celibate bleeding edge science and philosophy that could one day be proven to be true. You seem to think that you can disprove something here? There is nothing to be disproved, because there are no claims being made to certainty, only philosophical conjecture about potential ideological roads to travel, which are backed by rigorous science, that could one day produce some kind of valuable/usable knowledge. In fact, the only claims of certainty seem to be coming from you, as, despite not even knowing what information the video contains, you will, regardless, "strike it down." *facepalm* Why would I care to deal with such idiocy?


Now you don't want to discuss it?
Weird.


I don't want to discuss it with you, because it is quite obvious to me that you have nothing of value to contribute to the conversation. The big one here being lack of knowledge and willful ignorance, and insisting that I must inform you. Your attitude and choice of words also make this quite clear to me. It is an obvious waste of time. Why don't you attempt to contribute something of value to the conversation first. Maybe then I'll think about it.
 hopefulhunk
Joined: 3/29/2016
Msg: 53
Why is there human life on earth?
Posted: 5/22/2017 2:56:39 AM
Ok... you mentioned it credible that we "live" in a virtual world.
Like countless sci-fi movies are based on. Like the matrix. A simulation.
But rather than explain... you say go watch this 2 hour debate that is hypothetical and inconclusive...


Much a kin to religious beliefs.

Ie... a far reach from what is obvious and able to be proven.

Is that not saying " I am right now in my village, but I need a road to reach my village."?

Seems by what you have offered.... you just want to argue about "what if".

Well, if frogs had pockets they would carry pistols and wouldn't be scared of snakes!
See?

You made the claim. Back it up with fact, or outline the theory at least...
otherwise you keep on watching hours of gobbledygook and feeling superior.
Why should I do the work for you?

How many top notch physicists do not entertain the simulation theory, off hand?


Go right ahead and think about backing up your claim.
I say the moon is made of cheese, but rather than give data and facts to back that bs up...
you must go to the moon and find out yourself. Humph!
 CressB
Joined: 7/1/2011
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Posted: 5/22/2017 4:03:21 AM

Seems by what you have offered.... you just want to argue about "what if".


It has nothing to do with "want[ing] to argue about 'what if'" (If you weren't so blinded by your desire to have an answer/be correct, you would be able to see that by what I have already written - hence my earlier remark about the futility of a conversation with a believer). The fact is that no answer is "currently known". But that is how science and philosophy work. Did you know that the first proposal for the concept of the atom was put forth more than two thousand five hundred years ago? So, according to your reasoning, the concept of the atom spent two and a half thousand years being nothing but a sci-fi fantasy. The truth of the matter is that knowledge is a progression forward until it is proven irrefutably.


Ok... you mentioned it credible that we "live" in a virtual world.


I said that it was a credible hypothesis, yes. One of many concerning the ultimate nature of the universe. In what way this is a point of contention is beyond me.


But rather than explain... you say go watch this 2 hour debate that is hypothetical and inconclusive...


And you, in your infinite wisdom, possess the answer I suppose?

Honestly, I couldn't care less whether you watch it or not. Your inability to avail yourself of the available information does not make me responsible for your continued ignorance, no matter how many times you keep repeating it. As far as I am concerned you need far more work with the things that we are currently discussing before that video would in any way benefit you at all.


Well, if frogs had pockets they would carry pistols and wouldn't be scared of snakes!
See?


Interesting, but totally irreverent.


How many top notch physicists do not entertain the simulation theory, off hand?


What relevance does this statement contain? How many scientist possess these scientist's specific skill sets, containing their specific knowledge, and are working in their particular subset of their field? How is this question at all relevant?


Go right ahead and think about backing up your claim.


The only claim that I have made is that these scientist are credible and by extension so is the hypothesis. The people funding their research speaks to their credibility. The fact that they are appearing on this prestigious panel speaks to their credibility. Their degrees speak to their credibility - quite literally actually, they are most definitely accredited. How is this a point of contention?


I say the moon is made of cheese, but rather than give data and facts to back that bs up...
you must go to the moon and find out yourself. Humph!


Once again, it is not my responsibility to waste my time in an attempt to alleviate your ignorance.

I'm getting quite board of the repetitive nature of this conversation now. You'd better step it up a notch, or you're going to loose me all together.
 lyinjovan
Joined: 4/3/2017
Msg: 55
Why is there human life on earth?
Posted: 5/22/2017 5:41:14 AM
"Agreed. Religion is a blight upon mankind"

It's part of the natural order of things and arises out of the god gene. You might just as well say tribalism is a blight on mankind.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 56
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Posted: 5/22/2017 6:49:24 AM

^^^ such is the nature of most any of the the information we have now, which is precisely why there is currently no definitive answer.


No that is not so.

The nature of most of the information is that at some point someone can scientifically prove it.

These people are literally talking about things that can not be proven and as such it is pure speculation and an exercise in fantasy.

Which is what these debates are, as they are basically charity events where people get together and have an interesting conversation about stuff and nothing more.
 lyinjovan
Joined: 4/3/2017
Msg: 57
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Posted: 5/22/2017 7:10:43 AM
Hey azz wipe ....just because something can not be proven does not mean it is not a fact...you don't seem to understand this very simple concept.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 58
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Posted: 5/22/2017 7:13:45 AM

Hey azz wipe ....just because something can not be proven does not mean it is not a fact...you don't seem to understand this very simple concept.


If it is so simple I will wait here while you fail to provide any examples of what you just claimed.

So what things do we know as facts that we can not prove?

I look forward to your ad hominem attacks and deflections.
 lyinjovan
Joined: 4/3/2017
Msg: 59
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Posted: 5/22/2017 7:22:50 AM
Jesus....you have the analytical and deductive reasonin abilities of a two year old. I give you a very simple concept to understand and you still don't get it. Read what I said 20 times and maybe it will sink in. Hint....where did I say anything about knowing things are facts which we cannot prove?
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 60
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Posted: 5/22/2017 7:31:15 AM

Jesus....you have the analytical and deductive reasonin abilities of a two year old. I give you a very simple concept to understand and you still don't get it.


Do you always throw a tantrum when people point out your stupid statements?

There is no concept to understand as it does not exist, you literally made it up and now you are going to try and yell your way out of it with insults, it proves you have the mentality of a child.





where did I say anything about knowing things are facts which we cannot prove?


Right here:


Hey azz wipe ....just because something can not be proven does not mean it is not a fact...you don't seem to understand this very simple concept.


You state that is a very simple concept, and yet for some reason you cannot explain it or give any examples.

So let hear more of those insults while you try and back your way out of this.
 lyinjovan
Joined: 4/3/2017
Msg: 61
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Posted: 5/22/2017 7:44:21 AM
You really are a petulant little child.....no wonder so many laugh at you. Very sad :-)

Facts are facts whether we know it or not. Things are true whether we believe them or not. In the example given ...there are two possible states. Either something is a fact or it is not a fact. Those are the only two possibilities. Knowledge of the fact has nothing to do with it. In your pea sized brain...and that is being generous...you don't get that there are proven facts and there are unproven facts. Both states are facts regardless of our ability to prove it.

Either god factually exists or he does not. That we cannot prove he exists is immaterial to his factual existence. Yes all we can do is offer our opinions and the support for our opinions in this arena. You are too dumb to get he may well exist despite the fact we can't prove he exists or despite the fact you do not believe he exists.

Best I can do explaining it lolahole. If you don't get it yet, I'm sorry for you.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 62
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Posted: 5/22/2017 7:59:12 AM

You really are a petulant little child.....no wonder so many laugh at you. Very sad :-)


So you start with an insult and now lets see how you get on.




Facts are facts whether we know it or not. Things are true whether we believe them or not.


Yes, like gravity and the fact there are no invisible people in the sky.

See you are starting to get it.





In the example given ...there are two possible states. Either something is a fact or it is not a fact. Those are the only two possibilities. Knowledge of the fact has nothing to do with it. In your pea sized brain...and that is being generous...you don't get that there are proven facts and there are unproven facts. Both states are facts regardless of our ability to prove it.


Well no that is not the case, but at-least you are trying, failing miserably but trying.





Either god factually exists or he does not. That we cannot prove he exists is immaterial to his factual existence.


Nope, as that is like saying when I am playing poker I will either get dealt AA or not, and as such my chances of getting pockets A's is 50%.

You are creating a false premise to support your invalid point and the funniest part is, you actually believe it, as shown by your childish outbursts anytime someone points out your failure at logic.





Yes all we can do is offer our opinions and the support for our opinions in this arena. You are too dumb to get he may well exist despite the fact we can't prove he exists or despite the fact you do not believe he exists.


You do not seem to grasp the concept of proof and as such given that there is literally zero proof, stating that someone is too dumb not to think their may be an invisible man in the sky is the same as calling someone stupid for not thinking that unicorn may be real.





Best I can do explaining it lolahole. If you don't get it yet, I'm sorry for you.


It's ok, I know you lack the intelligence to explain your derp.
 lyinjovan
Joined: 4/3/2017
Msg: 63
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Posted: 5/22/2017 8:24:00 AM
^^^ You really are way too stupid to get it. We are done. I may respond to you with an adhominem from time to time... but trying to discuss something with you that takes any sort of reasoning....forget it. My dog doesn't get it...and either will you. No more wasting my time...although I am also explaining things to others here who do get it I'm sure, so not a total waste of my time.
 lyinjovan
Joined: 4/3/2017
Msg: 64
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Posted: 5/22/2017 9:18:08 AM

The answer is no. Not interested in a conversation with someone who mistakenly BELIEVES that they have the answer. I try to steer clear of obvious dead end conversations with believers.


You caught on very early about Lolahole...good job. He has an interesting history on POF. Several usernames...always the same personality...never says anything intelligent...Almost everybody in off-topics where he has spent most of his time realizes he is a Joke of man. He posts ubiquitously but most people stopped paying attention to him a long time ago.

Like Jovan he despises anybody who is religious, at least that is the persona he has developed... and he mocks them...claiming they believe in an "invisible man in the sky".

He is a lonely guy and this is his attempt to have virtual interaction with other people. He just does not know how to relate to people or how to be a decent human being.

Guaranteed...you will never be able to have an intellectual conversation with him about anything. (1) He simply does not know alot about much and (2) He is not very intelligent. Very..very... very sad. :-)
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 65
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Posted: 5/22/2017 9:47:21 AM

All of that is very nice, except... it has nothing to do with what he actually said. Let me give you a for instance:

What who actually said?
If you're talking about the crazy woman, with an 'ad-hominem' variant of my name, I generally ignore her demented ramblings.
For example, there is no "god" gene.
And both religion, and "tribalism" are a blight on humankind's existence.

But I did watch the debate you posted, right to the end.
I think the presenter's nervous giggling, when he announced the subject, tells us how "seriously" we should take this hypothesis.
And the "evidence" to which you refer, is what has been interpreted (by him) as "error correction codes" in the mathematical modelling of quarks.
I don't know enough about that to comment, but it seems like applying a 'rule' which we do know about, to a phenomenon, which we don't (fully).

But I do know a little about ecc, and the reasons for their existence, having worked in what used to be called the computer trade, between 1980-2002, 15 years of which was specialising in storage devices.

In living organisms, the ecc degrades over time, which is why we age, or get cancerous cells.
The likelihood of this being a simulation is so close to zero, as to be literally negligible.
As most concluded, in that discussion.

For me, there's no great "mystery" in consciousness. It was a natural progression as our intellect evolved.
To make sense of the world (better), we needed to know where "we" ended, ("self"). and the outside world began, so that we could compute our interactions with it, or its effects on "us".
Other animals also display symptoms of self awareness or recognition (in mirrors, for example)

The post of mine which you quoted, was simply an abbreviated synopsis (very) of where we came from.
"The story so far", in as much as we know it, from the "footprints" which we "followed back".
Sadly, most creatures which have died, didn't leave convenient fossil records
So the records are incomplete.

But until a more plausible explanation comes along, (and I don't include "god did it", as that), I'm satisfied with abiogenesis and evolution, because the evidence so far, supports that.

I suspect that,(just like my brother does) , you'll insist that the only "correct " scientific stance is "agnostic".
I don't "buy" that argument at all.
Our notions of a "creator" come from now discredited "beliefs".
Without that history, we wouldn't have the notion.
So trying to find "proof" of that, seems to me like starting from a biased position, and not an open-minded one.

There has been no evidence (to date) for the existence of a "god"(s), if some materialises, then, I will reconsider.
Until then, it seems perfectly reasonable to be an atheist.
Jmo
 lyinjovan
Joined: 4/3/2017
Msg: 66
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Posted: 5/22/2017 10:01:36 AM
^^^^ you keep ignoring the evidence. The Universe itself....the quantum world...yes abiogenesis... Yes... a Universe ex nihilo. Its not that there is no evidence. There is plenty of evidence. You simply choose to accept other "evidence" as a reason for the Universe.

But you know...its not only that you are a vile antisemite... by your own admissions, and a history revisionist that makes you so despicable. Its not that you are a dedicated atheist....Its that you... a man who in my estimation is mentally ill...have the audacity to accuse all of the religious people in the world... no matter how happy they are because of their belief in something rather than nothing... of being weak and damaged individuals.... and yes those are your exact words.

You are a very cruel person Lying mad dog jovan. You don't understand how you appeared to decent people when you bragged about taking a supposed friend of yours into a bar where he felt very uncomfortable and out of place, indeed threatened... because you chose to prove your point to him. You don't get how you appear to others when you tell people that they should not lean on "god" for support when that support provides them much warmth and hope and love.

You admit to not dating since 2010..and why is that? Is it because no woman would accept a man with your view of the world as I suspect...or are you simply a fat fuk sitting behind a computer screen hoping to make everybody as miserable as you are?

Look at your posts... you can't write a thing without mocking emoticons because you are a miserable individual.

There is something seriously wrong you...from your antisemitism and your demand Israelis disarm and apologize to the arabs who want them dead....to your mocking, antitheist behavior.

In the end...this is a dating board....and what woman would want to wrap her arms around man like yourself... who would feel calm and secure and protected in your presence. I'm betting the only woman who would be interested in you is a prostitute... and then the interest would only be in your money. So sad.
 hopefulhunk
Joined: 3/29/2016
Msg: 67
Why is there human life on earth?
Posted: 5/22/2017 10:40:34 AM
The irony when you say he cannot write anything without mocking...
Remember when you were shown a mirror?
Hmmm No. Just need a whipping post?

Ok Cress... I listened to some of the "debate" while dealing with some real world issues.

About half way through, NDT makes a point I brought up earlier.

You are now standing in your village, yet you need a road to get to your village.
Why?

NDT said it like this: (paraphrased)
this debate is akin to strapping jellied toast to the back of a cat.
Since cats always land on their feet...
And jellied toast always lands jelly side down...
What would be the point of this type of experiment?

Answer: because it's fun? Gives an easy answer to hard questions, like religion?
Ah yes. Man created gods in his image for comfort.

Much like this theory. Except switch programmer with gods.
Gives you the illusion of "control" or "hope" or "comfort".

I don't play sim city.
Or strap jellied toast to the back of cats.
I don't need control, hope, or comfort. Existentially speaking.

Not bashing those that need existential "answers".
Just my perspective.

My perspective is "idiocy"... because you deem it so?
At least I gave your perspective a shot.
Hell, I may go get a cat and some toast while I'm at it...
 lyinjovan
Joined: 4/3/2017
Msg: 68
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Posted: 5/22/2017 11:03:33 AM
The problem you have Hopeful, despite your self possessed 161 IQ, is that you think with your left brain and not with your right, much like Lying mad dog Jovan. It is impossible for you to fathom something as being true that does not meet your definition of what you consider logical or reasonable. Not everybody has such limitations in what they perceive or believe or think.
 TheRevenant2017
Joined: 5/5/2017
Msg: 69
Why is there human life on earth?
Posted: 5/22/2017 11:53:48 AM



Here: sentient= able to perceive or feel things.
You got that part right.


so the plants know they are being eaten and act to protect themselves.
That is a completely unfournded conclusion.


Yet no other explanation to this awareness
The presence of a reaction is demonstrably insufficient to conclude the presence of awareness.


Or how music effects them?
Again, demonstrably insufficient.


did you pull the legs off bugs when you were little?
No and, for the record, I've always loved and protected animals.

That said, it is a fact that the joke is cruel but, it is not something that happened. Also a fact is that it clearly shows how incorrect conclusions are reached, like the one you are making. Here is a sequence analogous to what you are saying...

1. Throw sodium on water. There will be a violent reaction. It cannot be concluded that the water is feeling something.

2. Point a sound wave at a body of water and waves will form. It cannot be concluded that the water is feeling the sound.

3. Take an ice cub out of its tray. The fact that it doesn't lose its shape is no evidence of memory.

4. Pour water from some height, if falls. It responded to gravity (like everything else). That response does not imply sentience.

Bottom line: the presence of a reaction cannot be used to conclude the presence of sentience.

Your conclusion about plants is just as unfounded as the conclusion that a bug without legs is deaf.


Do you think bugs don't know they are missing limbs either?
Bugs have a nervous system and a brain to process stimuli. The following article goes in more details about plants than I could in a forum post.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/plants-cannot-think-and-remember-but-theres-nothing-stupid-about-them-theyre-shockingly-sophisticated/


@
Interesting that you would equate a panel of physicists, mathematicians, and a philosopher, all with Phds, to a group of fiction writers.
Just because something can be described or speculated about doesn't mean it is a reality. That's the problem with Superstring Theory, it is mathematical silly putty that can be made to say anything. The Banach-Tarski paradox is a great example, it is mathematically correct but, it cannot be physically accomplished. (Note: that is not an attempt to denigrate the mathematical accomplishment.)

Math is just a language, it can be used to create bs just as it can be used to logically and descriptively model a physical process.

That's the most important thing to learn from people like Michael Faraday and Einstein, they _understood_ the processes _before_ they set out to describe/model them mathematically.

A physical phenomenon can be described mathematically (provided mathematics has reached the necessary level) but, the converse is _not_ true, that is, something that can be described mathematically does not imply its existence as a physical process.

In simple terms, P implies Q but, that does not necessarily mean Q implies P, that must be proved separately.

Understand first, do math later. Einstein's thought experiments are a good example of that.


 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 70
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Posted: 5/22/2017 12:12:14 PM

^^^ You really are way too stupid to get it. We are done. I may respond to you with an adhominem from time to time... but trying to discuss something with you that takes any sort of reasoning....forget it.


It's ok, you are not delusional...you are merely likely factually incorrect.





My dog doesn't get it...and either will you. No more wasting my time...although I am also explaining things to others here who do get it I'm sure, so not a total waste of my time.


Loo you tried to save face and have failed miserably, as you have not been able to put one point forward that has not been blown out of the water.

Maybe you will do better next time, but if not just ask your invisible friend for some help.
 lyinjovan
Joined: 4/3/2017
Msg: 71
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Posted: 5/22/2017 1:04:48 PM

Do you think bugs don't know they are missing limbs either?
_________
Bugs have a nervous system and a brain to process stimuli. The following article goes in more details about plants than I could in a forum post.


Yes they have a rudimentary brain....a fly certainly attempts to avoid being swatted and thus reacts to stimuli. Is it fear that makes it do so? It even has a memory... It might fly around for a minute or so before landing again. I have often wondered if flies or other bugs have a rudimentary awareness of their own existence? Any ideas on this Revenant...you seem to be well read...maybe you have come across a paper somewhere that was able to test this theory??
___________________________________________



My dog doesn't get it...and either will you.


Excuse my grammar...meant to say... "and neither will you"..although the meaning is the same...and accurate in your case.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 72
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Posted: 5/22/2017 2:04:28 PM

Excuse my grammar...meant to say... "and neither will you"..although the meaning is the same...and accurate in your case.


It's ok you have already proven yourself to be rather simple minded, so that is why I did not bother to point it out.

I figured the fact you are able to use a keyboard should be celebration enough given your level of understanding.


Because remember, you are not delusional, you are just factually challenged.
 TheRevenant2017
Joined: 5/5/2017
Msg: 73
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Posted: 5/22/2017 2:51:49 PM

I have often wondered if flies or other bugs have a rudimentary awareness of their own existence?
Yes, they do have what could be called rudimentary awareness.

They are aware of threats posed by animals that are not like them. For instance, a fly is not afraid of another fly but is afraid of other bugs they know would eat them. There are plenty of experiments about perception in animals. Many of them leading to puzzling questions. For instance, not very many animals are aware they are looking at themselves when they are in front of a mirror, yet, they somehow know that another animal is like them and therefore poses no, or little, threat to them. Instead of identifying the other animal visually, as we mostly do, they identify it by other mechanisms. This article has some information about that but isn't limited to bugs.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/most-unbred-animals-engli/

What is rather interesting is that the level of intelligence in an animal, including humans, seems affected/(determined?) by the types of senses they possess and how developed the perceptual sensitivity of those senses are. Studying that is genuinely fascinating. The variation in perceptual ability often leads to conclusions about an individual's intellectual abilities. Here is an example... what do a lot of people "see"/perceive when they look at ...

5, 4, 3, 2, 1

What they "see"/perceive will make a big difference in answering the question "what is the sum of those numbers" (or, a case that cannot be so easily visually determined, an increasing sequence of 1000 consecutive numbers.) I'll conclude the example using perception, leading to the well known mathematical solution, after those interested in answering what they see have had a chance to do so.

For those interested in such things see the books, proof without words and proof without words 2. Both are good exercises in perception.

What is normally defined as "intelligence" is thought to be made of a mix of various perceptual abilities (such as reasoning, spatial ability, memory, processing speed and vocabulary.) More about the "nature" of intelligence (or what I believe is the same, overall awareness level) can be found in the article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_%28psychometrics%29

For the record, I find the 5 components of the g factor to leave something to be desired. There is more to it and fMRIs clearly show that.

The BBC has a superb documentary named "Ingenious animals". Four (4) episodes that are genuinely fascinating. Highly recommended.

Lastly, the study of animal intelligence and perception is immensely useful when we apply it to ourselves, analyze our own perceptual mechanisms and get an idea of their consequences in the way we think and reach conclusions. Another great (and revealing) series is "Brain Games", some of the episodes show fascinating side effects caused by how we perceive.

It's interesting to see how a few people, who are obviously intelligent, constantly criticize each other mostly as a result of how they perceive each other.

Limited perception leads to limited reality.
 forumslady
Joined: 12/7/2016
Msg: 74
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Posted: 5/22/2017 3:03:09 PM
TheRevenant2017- It's interesting (well, to me) that you bring up string theory.
Participation in this thread got me involved in reading articles after I commented, for a while.
What can I say? I like learning.
Anyway, I read a rather long article by Stephen Hawking in which he states that (he thinks) Einstein's theory of relativity is string theory. :o
This launched me into reading more. By the end, I realized that I could post articles that would agree with some posts in this thread, other's with other's, etc.
The real answer, I discovered, is that it's all, mostly, theory.
Hawking said, at the end of the article I read from his perspective, that we are still trying to find the answer as to how the universe began.
This thread is the closet thing I've found to an intelligent discussion within a pof thread, in a long time.
I hope to see it steer away from arguing and see it head into further discussion and debate.
To find the Hawking article, search for: Stephen Hawking-The Origin of the Universe.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 75
Why is there human life on earth?
Posted: 5/22/2017 3:03:09 PM
with an ascending or descending sequence like that, particularly with an odd number, I always take the 'short cut' of multiplying the middle number by the number of individual numbers in the sequence.
In this case, 3 X 5 (numbers) =15
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