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 Justanotherchap
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Want to here the truth you knew all along and always refused to acknowledge?
Yes, you voted brexit out of xenophobia, ignorance and UKIP lies and for that, you are gonnae be paying dearly; sadly,


Just the usual know nothing, insulting stereotyping.

We have always been told that it's brain power that we need hence the need for 50% of our youth to get a degree. So having done that our productivity is still going down, see reports in financial press yesterday. Why is that? Because employers in this country have long used immigration to avoid training people and investing in new machinery, we are below France and Germany in those areas. Is Scotland any different?
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 5/20/2017 8:07:23 AM
And then there is of course the opportunity for import substitution and a lower currency would help exports - from the Guardian

"Ikea is considering making more products in the UK as the Swedish furniture chain bids to fend off Brexit-led price rises.

The retailer already makes some sofas and mattresses in Britain, but UK boss Gillian Drakeford said it was actively examining how it might increase that work while looking at other products that can be sourced domestically.

Drakeford told the Guardian that the chain’s growing UK sales gave her the capacity and resources to source more locally.

“We have a number of sofa suppliers in the UK we work with today and we are looking at what more products could we source in the UK.” She said manufacturing and sourcing more locally could help offset the risks in importing goods."

BTW the reason for Ford stopping their factory build in Mexico is not because of Donald Trump but because of robots. Robots work for the same money the world over and a lot of companine are now looking to manufacture closer to home to avoid transport costs.

The reality is of course with the development of online shopping, automation and as yet unknown markey forces it is impossible to make any predictions with any certainty.
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 5/20/2017 8:11:06 AM
p.s. just finishing up for the week so with a little bit of luck won't be back until Tuesday - have a nice weekend everyone.
 10ky
Joined: 11/15/2012
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Posted: 5/20/2017 10:44:15 AM
^
If lower currency means devaluing the sterling, then yes, that would encourage exports; however, there is a wee catch. Look around you. How many items made in the UK do you see? None (virtually)? Aye, you'll be paying more for anything which is imported - which is virtually everything. Not such a great strategy after all I think.
Have a great weekend pal.
*Msg 41: hear.


vvv Absolutely. Many did. Many voted for brexit because they believed the lie that the EU is cheating us. Many others voted because they are racists and xenophobes and with that I mean racist for real. The kind of person who acts on hate and fear not the kind of person who calls a Chinese takeout chinky. Those were the 2 main reasons for which people voted brexit.
 duracell_bunny_one
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Posted: 5/20/2017 11:04:28 AM
For the avoidance of doubt - ALL professional politicians lie,
just some lie better than others.
The LibDems are currently (as usual) fence sitting & trying to appeal to - ?
The Greens are out their somewhere in LaLa Land hugging trees.
Corbyn & co can't agree on anything much (the press are loving it).
Ms May & her storm troopers are gobby & out of touch
(loved the joke about the Tory bus running over a pensioner the other day - many a true word)
As for Sturgeon, nice legs, shame about the gob.

Yours
Outraged of Basingstoke.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/20/2017 1:07:38 PM
"Yes, you voted brexit out of xenophobia, ignorance and UKIP lies and for that, you are gonnae be paying dearly; sadly, I too.. thank you. x"

As opposed to crown loving loyalist rangers/hearts supporting fvcks you mean? So basically what you are saying is me personally am a xenophobic ignorant cvnt? Because i will not vote the way you did?
Why did you not use argument and debate to beat what i though? Oops i forgot i am an ignorant xenophobic div eh?

Yous offered fvck all chavvie. Nowt. Vote remain and get your wages cut. Do you work in the wealth creating private sector? Like the building trade? Where my wages went from £13/14 per hour down to £8/9 per hour?

The bills went up. The wages never. Live in our shoes THEN tell me how good the eu is mate.

Fvck them. I hope they get the life we have been condemned to.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/20/2017 1:07:51 PM
"Yes, you voted brexit out of xenophobia, ignorance and UKIP lies and for that, you are gonnae be paying dearly; sadly, I too.. thank you. x"

As opposed to crown loving loyalist rangers/hearts supporting fvcks you mean? So basically what you are saying is me personally am a xenophobic ignorant cvnt? Because i will not vote the way you did?
Why did you not use argument and debate to beat what i though? Oops i forgot i am an ignorant xenophobic div eh?

Yous offered fvck all chavvie. Nowt. Vote remain and get your wages cut. Do you work in the wealth creating private sector? Like the building trade? Where my wages went from £13/14 per hour down to £8/9 per hour?

The bills went up. The wages never. Live in our shoes THEN tell me how good the eu is mate.

Fvck them. I hope they get the life we have been condemned to.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/20/2017 1:10:05 PM
Yes, you voted brexit out of xenophobia, ignorance and UKIP lies and for that, you are gonnae be paying dearly; sadly, I too.. thank you. x"

As opposed to crown loving loyalist rangers/hearts supporting fvcks you mean? So basically what you are saying is me personally am a xenophobic ignorant cvnt? Because i will not vote the way you did?
Why did you not use argument and debate to beat what i though? Oops i forgot i am an ignorant xenophobic div eh?

Yous offered fvck all chavvie. Nowt. Vote remain and get your wages cut. Do you work in the wealth creating private sector? Like the building trade? Where my wages went from £13/14 per hour down to £8/9 per hour?

The bills went up. The wages never. Live in our shoes THEN tell me how good the eu is mate.

Fvck them. I hope they get the life we have been condemned to.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/20/2017 3:08:48 PM
Oops i am like the bbc. Repeats repeats repeats.
Tell you what i cannae stand though. Weasle fvckers who change whatever way the wind blows.
Ive been posting for a while. Bunny and chapster have been t h e same.
This is the best the uk forums have been in yonks. Mainly down to pauline, 10ky, scarey and jelly.

I love politics. It brings out emotions. Unlike cats or crisps. Although i do like mini chedders.

Anyway as we chant at the Leith San Siro. F. T. Q.

Enjoy fellow uk ers

Toodle pip
X
VD

See? Messages this short bollocks.
Only encourages folk.

Listening to Metallic KO
The Stooges

Still cannae post. To use a good Scottish expression. What a cvnt.
 billybonds
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Posted: 5/20/2017 4:08:08 PM
Absolutely vlad and jo really doesn't answer your questions which is why the Labour Party is where it is , intellectually nowhere. And as bunny has stated all politicians lie, so that includes the snp , the Tories , farron, greens, ukip and the useless Labour Party.

Bitcoin has gone to $2000 dollars now ethereum from $99 to $130 dollars in the last few days could that go to a thousand and beyond , yes. Sure there is something of the tulip mania in all this but make no mistake these crypto currencies , block chain technology and the people who are creating them are doing more for working people than the useless Labour Party has done in the last sixty odd years and will ever do again .


It's the unserviceable debt, and our elected banking shills are destroying the value in their fiat currencies as a means to hide the collapse in living standards that is coming.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/20/2017 5:14:17 PM
Bondsy
Jo cannae answer my questions. He may be a good lad. I'd have a pint with him. But he is all that is wrong with politics. He blindly follows the war criminal blair then jezza corbyn!!!!!!

As ive said before i know nowt about the monetary system. I couldnt really give a donald duck. I live week to week. Buy things from shoplifters. Buy snide clothes.

But if we never got robbed on everything we bought i would not do that. You heard of the clothes paul and shark? My mate met one of the french**** one night at a party.

He haw he haw we sell ow you say our brand in england the daftie said. My mate went 'aye mainly to football hooligans'. The frog eating weirdo went into meltdown because working class lads bought their clothes to fight in.

Fvck knows what im rambling about im pissesd.

But bondsy life on the uk forums!!!!! Next thing you know ill get a message saying im a depressing cvnt because my profile is the honesty folk want.

Nihilism rules (when I'm pissed) ya bass
 duracell_bunny_one
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Posted: 5/21/2017 1:24:56 AM
Just caught the Beeb breakfast news - delightful non-interview of several young people (late teens/early 20's)
none of whom had bothered to register & none of whom could be bothered to vote.
Swift change of location to a 'dance' club with members older than me (it is possible)
they were all registered & going to vote.
It was unfortunate that the clip ended with various 'seniors' sounding as though
they were talking down to the TV audience, telling 'how easy it was' etc etc.
After the election, we shall yet again be deluged with twats screeching about the result -
......I wonder why?

 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/21/2017 3:50:26 AM
No one is claiming jo does not have the right to his views. Ive sparred th him on these forums for years. Its good to hear other views no matter who's they are.
It is also the right to put questions about peoples views. How they reached the view that they have.

As i said i read jim sillars quite a lot. On the scotleave.eu site is a pdf file. In it sillars states that in a healthy democracy you cannot blindly follow a political party with questioning the policies.

In Scotland we have a goal to head for (ill get to psychos post in a moment) in independence. The labour party in scotland took we voters for granted. Where else would voters go? Well they soon found out. Ill continue to question jo's views. Sometimes they interest me. But slavishly following the party line needs questioning. Well i think so anyway.

Psycho
Well living in Edinburgh i had the years of the disruption regarding the parliament and the trams.
Watched businesses fail due to disruption. Had many mates who made a fortune at Holyrood for sitting in the boozer.
One of my main gripes is the way public money gets thrown around like confetti on public works.
Look at the schools debacle in Edinburgh. Brand new schools falling to bits all over the town. Bricks falling onto playgrounds.
Yep it has been jaw dropping some of the incompetence we have paid for. Which is why i would welcome a collapse of the whole system. Start again. New blood. New ideas. But for now i need to bide what time i have left on this planet and do what i see as the correct thing.
 billybonds
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Posted: 5/21/2017 4:09:14 AM
Some very good points by Ordinary, very refreshing and from an insider so to speak. Hey why do all the girls stand up for jo!!!!#$@@#$...just saying. Look your mp of two years is a lying scumbag or a clucking incompetent, we are a people globally who don't have money we work but they don't allow us to have any true payment. This is why the world is violent and riddled with inequality while you talk about "ourselves alone" in Scotland. Call me picky but an entity that wants to steal from me and would push me out the door to fight for it while it sits back in its deckchair does not have my vote .

let me be clear Pauline that two year old is a banking shill or in the unkind words of the forum bard K. Y. TEn, a retard. For she and her magic words that unlocked your vote are not going to stop even more inequality and violence that are coming. I know ignorance is bliss. The debt based money system with that lovely gooey feeling of early inflation for those close to its presses allows most of us to insouciantly bask in it while blithely ignoring others being slaughtered for years on the high altar of the tin pot crass plundering debt scam, covered over by flags and weird statesmen and defended constantly by rockets and guns and outright lies.

Get out of debt, debt destroyed lives right out of the gate in the great depression, a house is mere shelter, admittedly some are good income providers but only some not all. Get your fiat cash outside the banking system and make silver your crisis spending money and load up on gold because central banks are not omnipotent.


Vvv i think i said that, perhaps if it's not too embarrassing for you, you could show her my thoughts
....Theresa is going to win big I think then we can all go back to posting our diets...lovely day, I'm in Dorking...

Vvvvv pauline..pauline pauline, I'm just stating my opinions ....as you are..... this is far from personal for
me...I mean ky is far worse ..sorry ky....and you don't
pick on him...but I do believe your Mp is utterly evil like Theresa either by design or ignorance....i haven't ate yet...
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/21/2017 4:43:22 AM
I think the thread is still rolling along ok to be honest. Off topic is where its at for bloodletting.
There was a good article in the new statesman regarding brexit and the coming election. The geezer stated that for once votes actually mattered.

The vote achieved something. That 'we' done one over on 'them' and my oh my how 'them' hate 'we' for it. Just look at the laval and viking cases that sillars speaks off. How can anyone say workers are protected when the eu ruled against workers and for businesses?

The op mentions about auld fvckers like me destroying the youngsters future. What future? Youth unemployment stands at 50% in spain, portugal etc. What future has the eu given them? Whole towns and cities in enslaved nations are emptying of youngsters as they travel to find work. When they get to where they are going they get exploited financially. Local youngsters have to work for sweetie money. Yet this is seen a good thing!!!!!!!!!

Anyway I'm in little france and going for a cairry oot and watch the football.

 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
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Posted: 5/21/2017 4:49:45 AM
I did vote for
But that was before anyone realised what a complete Jeremy he'd turn out to be.
After 17(?) years of the tories running down the NHS, and allowing schools to deteriorate, and selling off publicly built and financed, and profitable public utilities, I was just glad to have a labour govt.

Blair played the tories at their own game: image.
It's what politics has sadly become, because most voters can't be bothered to think about it, for longer than it takes to toss a coin.

The tories are doing it again now, and focusing on likely "competence to manage", which is really based on what the person looks and sounds like.
If they appear "corporate" enough, (like Blair, the barrister, and his barrister wife), if they look enough like the people who sit in board rooms, they're perceived as being a 'safer pair of hands", when it comes to domestic politics, or international relations.
It's a dangerous strategy today though, times have changed. And they're out of touch.
The people sitting around board room tables today, are just as likely to have a tattooed 'sleeve', and a pierced nose, as they are to be wearing a saville row suit.

But I digress.
Back then (1997), Foot had previously lost because of a duffel coat, and kinnock, because he was ginger, and Welsh..
Blair won, because he looked and sounded as credible AS the tories.

With hindsight, I'd rather have seen a challenge to the ideology of 'neoliberalism'.
Blair and brown had Avery 'laisez faire' attitude to the financial sector, continuing deregulation, which both the tories and the financial sectors had continued to 'lobby' for, and in fairness, it seemed to be "working".
We had 13 years of the sort of 'growth' which governments can only dream of today.
Labour was able to invest in schools, hospitals, education, and social care, after a few years of actually running a budget surplus.

then came the collapse, and the bankruptcy of the banks.
Despite this beginning in the USA., the tories actually managed to persuade the dim, attention-span-deficient electorate that this was entirely "labour's fault".
Up until the day before the collapse, the tories had had a "deregulation task force", headed by John "Vulcan" Redwood, telling Labour there were too many financial regulations, and the banks concurred.

To use a simile which the dim public can understand:
"They all stood in a circle, and screamed "Put your d1ck in the pig's mouth!! MOUTH:D1CK:MOUTH:D1CK:MOUTH:D1CK!!!!""
And then, the next day, they all said
"EEWWWWW!! Dude, WHY DID YOU DO THAT??!!!

Back on topic:
Billy's affable eccentricity with gold ignores the real problem, which (IMO) is the growing of the inequality of distribution of the profits from the fruit of our labour's.
(He shows a woeful lack of knowledge about the improved living conditions of the lower orders under labour, in the last 60 years)
The real problem is convincing the public that there's really no need for anyone to become a billionaire, just because they had a good idea, one day, 15 years ago.
While his employees receive state subsidised "top-ups" to their meagre wages.

If you want "strong" sanctions against the unemployed, the sick, and the elderly, and children, vote tory.
If you want even more stable "austerity", and even more cuts to social services, and even more nurses using food-banks,
More corporations paying even less tax, and even more billionaires, then vote tory.
But...
If you want change, then vote labour.

Have a pleasant valley Sunday.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/21/2017 5:13:15 AM
Pauline
But why? Digs are part and parcel of life. You actually go out and canvas and attend meetings. I read and try and fathom out economics because i am clueless. Jo's last post has a lot in it i agree with. But........
Mp's are meant to represent voters views. How would you personally react if your snp mp, msp, councillor voted brexit?
Because a lot of folk in labour heartlands feel betrayed by their mp ignoring their wishes. I live in Edinburgh south. This will make jo chuckle as my mp is the only labour mp left in Scotland. Ian murray. Hes actually helped me out a few times. And apart from supporting the merricks over at swinecastle he seems a no bad lad.

When he loses his seat in the election i will email him and lesley thanking them for their help. Now i will likey have a snp mp after the election. And no doubt he will be a remainer. Thats fine. Until we become independent then i will vote for whoever will take us from the eu.

As any scot on here knows scottish labour got slapped for holding hands with call me dave at indyref. They will never recover. Since i was old enough to vote Scotland returned mainly labour mp's. What did we get for that? Thatcher, major, blair, brown, cameron.

It made not one bit of difference to scotland voting labour mp's in. We still got shafted. And we are still being shafted now. But maybe oneday...........
 duracell_bunny_one
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Posted: 5/21/2017 5:15:34 AM
Every party that lands up attempting to govern is duty-bound to blame
'the last lot' for the so-called mess that they have inherited.
It's Punch & Judy politics, otherwise known as arse-covering.
It's dishonest at best.

 billybonds
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Posted: 5/21/2017 5:33:56 AM
Great post Jo, no I mean it , I love all the questioning of some voters' intelligence too.
And the pig stuff too, that doesn't get enough airing in my opinion. Just saying....
I certainly don't try to stymie debate. ...in my last post I pointed out that Theresa May
is either evil or stupid too. ( won't use ky's..sorry me ole mucker...word...I find it offensive too
Save for polticos(puppets) and banksters(string pullers).

See I look at the fractional reserve debt based money system and where we are, this is not 1945.
And often muse on these threads of freedom why Nicola , Theresa (lovely pins and no pig stuff)
Jeremy(rock star) Tim (utter stool) the ukip guy ( senior moment....he's hopeless..anyway) and the
green duo ... and they never mention the great monetary thieving system...it's either through venality or stupidity.

I also note we have an open economy and wonder why Jo gives credit to new labour for the artificial
boom and criticises the sub prime and banksters for the bust. When yours truly would put the blame
for the bubble and pop on Mr Alan Greenspan....of the good ole united states of whacky paper and military
Violence if you challenge the petrodollar in any way.......still haven't ate...too much posting...lovely day today..

Pauline.. take a look at bunny's post.....it speaks to truth..
I'm not picking on you , i feel that's unfair on me but I
will ignore your posts fron now on if you wish but I will
continue to express my views on sound money as I see
fit and in its absence the complete charade that
politics is. Once again I wish you no hurt feelings
and I enjoy reading all your posts but my posts are
mine to do as I see fit :)
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