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 vlad dracul
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Pauline
But why? Digs are part and parcel of life. You actually go out and canvas and attend meetings. I read and try and fathom out economics because i am clueless. Jo's last post has a lot in it i agree with. But........
Mp's are meant to represent voters views. How would you personally react if your snp mp, msp, councillor voted brexit?
Because a lot of folk in labour heartlands feel betrayed by their mp ignoring their wishes. I live in Edinburgh south. This will make jo chuckle as my mp is the only labour mp left in Scotland. Ian murray. Hes actually helped me out a few times. And apart from supporting the merricks over at swinecastle he seems a no bad lad.

When he loses his seat in the election i will email him and lesley thanking them for their help. Now i will likey have a snp mp after the election. And no doubt he will be a remainer. Thats fine. Until we become independent then i will vote for whoever will take us from the eu.

As any scot on here knows scottish labour got slapped for holding hands with call me dave at indyref. They will never recover. Since i was old enough to vote Scotland returned mainly labour mp's. What did we get for that? Thatcher, major, blair, brown, cameron.

It made not one bit of difference to scotland voting labour mp's in. We still got shafted. And we are still being shafted now. But maybe oneday...........
 duracell_bunny_one
Joined: 1/21/2015
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Posted: 5/21/2017 5:15:34 AM
Every party that lands up attempting to govern is duty-bound to blame
'the last lot' for the so-called mess that they have inherited.
It's Punch & Judy politics, otherwise known as arse-covering.
It's dishonest at best.

 billybonds
Joined: 8/8/2014
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Posted: 5/21/2017 5:33:56 AM
Great post Jo, no I mean it , I love all the questioning of some voters' intelligence too.
And the pig stuff too, that doesn't get enough airing in my opinion. Just saying....
I certainly don't try to stymie debate. ...in my last post I pointed out that Theresa May
is either evil or stupid too. ( won't use ky's..sorry me ole mucker...word...I find it offensive too
Save for polticos(puppets) and banksters(string pullers).

See I look at the fractional reserve debt based money system and where we are, this is not 1945.
And often muse on these threads of freedom why Nicola , Theresa (lovely pins and no pig stuff)
Jeremy(rock star) Tim (utter stool) the ukip guy ( senior moment....he's hopeless..anyway) and the
green duo ... and they never mention the great monetary thieving system...it's either through venality or stupidity.

I also note we have an open economy and wonder why Jo gives credit to new labour for the artificial
boom and criticises the sub prime and banksters for the bust. When yours truly would put the blame
for the bubble and pop on Mr Alan Greenspan....of the good ole united states of whacky paper and military
Violence if you challenge the petrodollar in any way.......still haven't ate...too much posting...lovely day today..

Pauline.. take a look at bunny's post.....it speaks to truth..
I'm not picking on you , i feel that's unfair on me but I
will ignore your posts fron now on if you wish but I will
continue to express my views on sound money as I see
fit and in its absence the complete charade that
politics is. Once again I wish you no hurt feelings
and I enjoy reading all your posts but my posts are
mine to do as I see fit :)
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 5/21/2017 5:51:03 AM
Ive just been t o scotmid and got a goodfellow and stevens sausage roll. It was tidy. And 10 cans of beer as well. And still got change of £10.

Anyway i digress. Bondsy
See you are saying the yanks caused the latest collapse? I was reading about the petro dollar somewhere else and it was used as an example of sherman belligerence.

But mind the run up to brexit when alister darling, gideon and six former treasurers of america said the sky would fall in? Would that be the same two british chancellors who said all was well just before the previous collapse? And the six shermans who managed to get shermanland into trillions of debt?

They were 'experts' were they not?
 duracell_bunny_one
Joined: 1/21/2015
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Posted: 5/21/2017 7:34:55 AM
Food for thought?

"Today Work and Pensions Secretary Damian Green defended it saying that £100,000 was a "reasonable amount of inheritance". "
(BBC news site)

When I need a bluddy politician to tell me his/her personal? opinion of what in their microbrain constutes 'reasonable inheritance' -
I'll ask - considering the bloated average worth of these overpaid numpties, if I were Damian Green I'd shut up, before he loses Mrs Mays new pastiche gestapo party any more votes.

 badge73
Joined: 1/17/2009
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Posted: 5/21/2017 8:02:47 AM
what was the topic again? ....

Messages this short may not be posted

seems you have to waffle just to ask a question think i might copy and paste war and peace just to keep the bot happy
 billybonds
Joined: 8/8/2014
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Posted: 5/21/2017 8:14:43 AM
I feel my words are being used in a strange and fantastic
manner....so let me add some more..Theresa May is either evil or an incredibly big nosed ignorant retarded half wit.....because of the sound money thing....just saying....er....she'll still win though....I feel despite her legs she presides over a criminal , murderous enterprise...

Don't like the snp whatsoever, I emotionally feel they are a bunch of fiat money spivs trying to break up My!!! country The united kingdom of Great Britain and northern Ireland..which is itself...a criminal enterprise and slave state of the U.S.A. who itself is a criminal enterprise and enslaved totally to the paper/ debt men who have suborned Politicians ( scumbags) and soldiers ( the young) in every nation.....g o l d ......
 10ky
Joined: 11/15/2012
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Posted: 5/21/2017 2:56:57 PM
-bond
That's a rather interesting way of justifying oneself. By that logic, it's totally fine to be responsible for the death of 59,999,999 people because uncle A was responsible for 60 million.

Lordy, lordy.. the nazis and nazism are indeed the epitome of all that's dodgy in life. A bit like shite.
 billybonds
Joined: 8/8/2014
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Posted: 5/21/2017 4:41:13 PM
So funny Pauline practising your humour in the dead of night , although I do believe it's shyster lawyer..

Are we friends yet ? :)


 try1more
Joined: 12/16/2007
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Posted: 5/22/2017 8:01:48 AM
pauline
you want independance for scotland, yet you want to remain in the eu.
to me this simply doesn't compute.
can you tell me your reasons for each?
sorry to join the queue picking on you but there's nobody else to ask this question that i'm aware of.
for whatever it may be worth, i admire your being so open about where you stand, regardless of what i may think of your choices.
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 5/23/2017 6:57:44 AM
Try - I can't answer for the Scots but I can understand why the apparent dichotomy.

Wherever you look in the last 40 or so years, possibly longer, there has been a complete disengagement between London and the rest of th UK. Whether that is in politics or the arts or the news it is in your face. It isn't so prevalent anymore but how many times in the past have we seen headlines about the country coming to a standstill because of snow/leaves on the line/strike when what they mean is London came to a standstill. The majority of us live outside London yet the majority of transport infrastructure spend is in London. There's a huge discrepancy between the amount spent per capita by the government inside/outside London.

If I was a Scot living in Scotland I might choose independence simply because if it ftucks up, it would be my ftuck up (or maybe just because I can). And next time at the next Scottish general election, I could vote and my voice would have more strength.

"you want independance for scotland, yet you want to remain in the eu" - Using the word independence confuses the issue. As you see it, being a member of the EU means being subservient to the EU and not having the freedom to act which isn't quite what is on offer. For sure we are likely to see the EU becoming even more integrated and that is something the Scots would have to think about very hard but the EU still isn't the bullshit we have been fed about it, bendy bananas and all. The EU, in my opinion, is more geared towards consensus than is the case in the UK (first past the post system wins all).

There's lots of good stuff in Europe. In particular I like the Scandinavian attitude towards society and that appears to be quite similar to the Scottish attitude too (IMO). The UK could do with more of it.
 duracell_bunny_one
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Posted: 5/23/2017 7:06:00 AM
.......There are a truly frightening number of MPs who still think there is no intelligent life outside Islington...............

Bodies like DEFRA have totally no understanding how 'natural England' ticks -
Central Government is obsessed with vanity projects -
Local Government is fixated on promoting Kommunity over common sense.

I can fully understand the Scots wanting out.

 tartanjohnny
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Posted: 5/24/2017 8:53:47 AM
Pauline - I don't know why you bother trying to educate the ignorant fookwits on here about Scottish politics. They know fook all about it -coming at it from a Daily Mail perspective. Just look at the inane comments made by Billy and lo and behold Kirk has done some research - oh really - dunno what the fook you were reading.

Both countries are completely different in their political outlook - Scotland is not full of right wing xenophobes - just too many bigots in Scotland - witness the lack of UKIP there. Perhaps that's why Scotland should govern itself -what self-respecting country would want to be governed by another which is so different politically.
 billybonds
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Posted: 5/24/2017 10:30:10 AM
Hi Tart,
Yeah you are such a different country ....like the rest
etc.....but outsiders can see a country again and sure you want to be an independent nation like the E.U. wants to be .
But money printing is making the snp look good and the same in Southern England with Theresa. Without it the politics would be ugly. The rest is posturing and positioning and that's why May will win on June the 8th.

Property millionaires abound, its heady stuff. The last unemployment recession was a quarter of a century ago. All sorts of people in different walks of life have no idea how unreal all this is down here it's taken as the norm. Politicians are in facile competition and Theresa has spun a tale that this all is ok and the fundamentals are strong. Nicola has her narrative too ...both have broken bread with the banking cartel by the way and reassured them .

And sure Scotland's body politic is instinctively left of centre...and perhaps England's is right of centre..but with North sea oil a declining factor ...what is Scotland going to live on...serious tax revenues (15 billion) are going to go away with independence. The private sector will have to step in, is Scotland ready for this...The EU doesn't do fiscal union yet but the uk does
and we are all one together as a nation, in a way that England and Scotland have never been.

And with declining world growth, chronic indebtedness is rampant, without the $250 billion a month global QE , asset prices would fall off a cliff and because these assets are all collateral well shit credit crunch......obviously if they didn't do this there would be a great depression on stilts. But this is an exponential function in a finite world.

Sturgeon and Salmon are dumb ****s :) like all politicians the world over . They conspire with the banking parasites to tax
the working class into poverty by the inflation tax. Working
people love it at first and scorn their own when the first losers
appear then get angry at immigrants or the rich or perhaps the Tories (the english) as they do... the dumb ****s also always believe that a law passed by them will solve a problem.... dim
beyond belief...
 billybonds
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Posted: 5/24/2017 12:10:46 PM
Austerity means there has been a reduction in public
expenditure? There hasn't been. Not even close the
red ink spreads unabated Pauline.

Nicola got that money from the Tory's ? I mean it wasn't
hers or there's for that matter..it came from the backs of
working people. I'd be embarrassed if I was politician buying
things for people with other people's money and taking a
victory lap.

Scarey says I'm not respecting you... I'm sorry if you feel like
that. Let me know where and I'll reconsider my words.
I'm only throwing rocks at the system and its puppets.
Like alex and nicola. There all dumb****s, except Nelson
Mandela, find that one difficult.

Scarey says money is not important. I disagree. We live
in a world without it. A world way worse than barter.
A world leo Tolstoy remarked was worse than slavery
because it was hidden.

The fact there is a fraud on
working people being run by all government is annoying to me
All governments are criminal enterprises , I truly
believe you are canvassing for odious criminals.
We don't have austerity, and we have blood on our hands and
not just in manchester. The maintenance of the petrodollar
has led American foreign policy to create isis, train it and fund it.
 scareymush
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Posted: 5/24/2017 2:59:00 PM
I thought that it's a good thing if the GDP goes up....someone needs to explain it to me using an analogy as opposed to using economics language.

Feck it Pauline you deserve a standing ovation for throwing yourself into a cause you believe in, for taking action and being a dynamic individual. I meant respect as in acknowledging your efforts and commitment and also trusting that you're probably well-informed and knowing that throwaway insults about Sturgeon et al won't sway your personal opinions.
 billybonds
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Posted: 5/24/2017 3:20:17 PM
I'll explain it's a nation's salary
Of course nothing is ever that simple.... A 10% wage rise and 15 % inflation rate means a 5% cut in your wage
And a 10 % wage cut and a -15 deflation rate means a wage rise. Of course absurd examples to make my point.
Deflation is the purchasing power of money increasing and in a sound money economy it would be natural for an economy to enjoy deflation.


Of course in an unsound fiat currency system it's death to the banks and for all of us debt slaves. This is where we all are as a world Governments also understate the inflation rate or the rising cost of living as this boosts wages if not actual purchasing power or real gdp/salary. In a natural economy a house should be only two times a person's income. We sure do make things hard for ourselves.
 Squareslice
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Posted: 5/24/2017 3:31:43 PM
Billy, I'll explain in simple terms even YOU may get a slight grasp of.

Money is a figment of the imagination. It is a PROMISE and, as we know, promises can be broken.
 scareymush
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Posted: 5/24/2017 4:04:05 PM
I remain confused with perhaps a slightly better notion than before....what's the term for a person with a phobia about money?

This sounds about right:

http://www.fearof.net/fear-of-money-phobia-chrometophobia-or-chrematophobia/

Anyway...good on the aul' SNP.

Thanks Square, that's what I feared.
 billybonds
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Posted: 5/24/2017 4:14:43 PM
Square money is a store of value and a commodity. Hope you wake up in time

 billybonds
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Posted: 5/25/2017 1:21:59 AM
Sorry square ...this quote ...money is gold everything else is credit

That shyster J.p. Morgan of all people to congress about 1910
We should teach this in schools, the world would be more
equal and less violent if we hammered this home.
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 5/25/2017 1:30:16 AM
Money is gold - only as long as someone is prepared to swap you something for your gold. Take it to the absurd and there's jsut two of us left in the world, you've got a mountain of gold and I've got a mountain of food. Who's richest?
 billybonds
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Posted: 5/25/2017 1:40:04 AM
You are chap.... :)

Money is a commodity...
Salary comes from sal...salt...
Gold won out over millennia
as a fry up doesn't store value..
Crypto currencies are possibly future money.

But my finances are in gold and silver bullion
and a little pragmatic fiat cash position...

Update billy bonds is going to breakfast
Fyi ....and in a demonstration of Gresham's law,
billy will be spending fiat (someone else's liability)
From a santander (dodgy)..... visa debit card...
 Squareslice
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:44:32 PM
Money is NOT a commodity, otherwise it would be traded on the commodities markets along with other, tangible, commodities.

It is a barter token.
 billybonds
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Posted: 5/25/2017 2:31:10 PM
Square there is commodity money that emerged naturally from barter.
Fiat currency/money emerged from commodity money as receipt money, which then became just paper.
What we circulate today as money or currency is credit ....there are legal tender laws in place to ensure this.
I agree with Aristotle too that money should be divisible , durable , portable , fungible or interchangeable and a store of value. Shit has been used as money , square.. But the jp Morgan line sums it up for me gold being money all else credit, gold is traded on Future commodity exchanges in New York , Hong Kong , Singapore and Shanghai and with the bullion banks here in London. These are pretty much manipulated paper markets . The comex in New York started trading at precisely the same time that Gerald Ford made it legal for Americans to own gold again in 1975. Gold is evidently a better store of value and threatens their fiat debt currency. I don't know if this helps but looking at the etymology of money it means to mint I think....?? Tobacco, salt, sea shells, oil, houses, Cows , I think that's where we get pecuniary from.....I prefer gold and silver ..... Tired long day.....
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