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 RoxyMoronic
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They are all over the shop just now I think


^^^^they all seem to be. Saying anything they can, grappling to get em some votes.
Wankers the lot of em.
I'm inclined not to bother voting but then I won't be able to moan about the state of things
 billybonds
Joined: 8/8/2014
Msg: 77
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Posted: 5/26/2017 10:25:50 AM

BTW


It's all so funny :) all over the shop...it's the delivery ...so much fun..... and then Theresa wins.....I'm in Brighton, home of the greens....nice people .... lovely day ...not
one bit worried about narrowing polls or tories unable
to organise an efficient shop.
 10ky
Joined: 11/15/2012
Msg: 78
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Posted: 5/26/2017 3:04:24 PM
^
Bond, pal. Wtf are you smoking? Whatever it is, I damn sure want a drag.
 Squareslice
Joined: 10/17/2016
Msg: 79
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Posted: 5/26/2017 3:21:56 PM
Vlad, mate, no longer at that disgrace known as the national stadium, thank fook.
Aff tae Glasto n Reading soon.... Engerlandershire is gettin hit wi a mob based in Broxburn (that's in Scotland... north o you, 10lube)

Anyway, one thing for sure about exiting the EEC is that we're gonna get shafted even more than ever. MEps are gonna claim even more due to "increased workload" and I'll be drawing pension before we're out o it.
Wish tae fook SNP would declare to get out... gonna lose votes otherwise
 billybonds
Joined: 8/8/2014
Msg: 80
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Posted: 5/26/2017 3:36:47 PM
Ky , I don't smoke but...I was just laughing at a certain poster and her amusing ways. I agree my post doesn't make this clear,I didn't even capture her quote properly...



 Squareslice
Joined: 10/17/2016
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Posted: 5/27/2017 4:29:20 AM

A jezza sturgeon coalition would be awfy good..


Ah thnk ye're right there, wee yin.
Corbyn is a throw back to real Labour values. He's not a career politician.

On the other hand, Sturgeon is. If ye mind right, she first got in as a list candidate that Salmond had right up the top.
She's my MSP yet is noticable by her absence. If she dinna extract the digit, I may yet vote Labour.
 billybonds
Joined: 8/8/2014
Msg: 82
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Posted: 6/7/2017 1:19:48 AM
On topic ..

Brexit is only the return to full British parliamentary sovereignty. It happened in june last year and no doubt past being prologue we will be having our ups and downs like the eurozonians for many years to come. The Brussels' people and the British ones are at the moment galley slaves to the American imperial dollar toilet paper empire. It is this that is important for us since they may not be able to feed and water us in the future. And seeing the German abuse of the abject Greeks it is fundamental that we the U.K. start earning our way in the world as a free people, post Americana.The treacherous faint hearted man bag carriers should hide themselves away...preferably in Germany.


Australians didn't vote for Brexit , but surprise surprise they seem to be feeling stressed about the future too. A slave state also and recession-less for twenty five years, the Aussies are beginning to fret whether they would be better off inside the euro-deathcamp-debt zone. I made that last sentence up.

Can we guess their problems...that's right asset bubbles in stocks, real estate, and increasingly the bond market.
Their cure is more "money" , more debt and even greater bubbles. My remedy less funny money and more earning.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 6/19/2017 11:17:51 AM
C'mon now folks. We are told on here by our resident 'international socialist'* in oxford that the eu is worker friendly. They just love the workers. Salt of the earth etc etc.

So why on earth would socialists vote for this below? Giving businesses the right to over rule unions!!!!!!!

Sacre bleu..............

"Mr Macron wants to liberalise France’s rigid labour laws to give companies more freedom to negotiate working hours and pay. He also plans to cut 120,000 jobs from the sprawling civil service. “That’s going to be difficult,” Mr Brooks says.

There are already signs of resistance. Within a day of Mr Macron’s election, French union leaders warned against reforms being hurried in via government decree, while hundreds of people demonstrated on the streets of Paris.

“It is also the opposition you see coming through from labour unions, representing many of the people voting for Le Pen or [Jean Luc] Mélenchon,” says Phil Poole, head of research at Deutsche Asset Management, Europe’s third-largest fund company. “They have another channel to express that dissatisfaction.”"

https://www.ft.com/content/15ee6080-3ade-11e7-821a-6027b8a20f23

*the only international socialist in the village i believe.
 Squareslice
Joined: 10/17/2016
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Posted: 6/19/2017 1:38:34 PM
Vlad... the mob I work wi fly in the face o working laws.... done 12 hour shifts that stretch tae 13 without a break.
Thank **** for the traders taking pity on me n keeping me going wi cuppas n food

Europe and UK are jokers.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 7/31/2017 3:31:27 AM
Fantastic wee read today. Oor jo doon in oxford toon, yes the ron spart of the forums, the international socialist voted the way that Margaret the thatch did. Oh the delicious irony........


"What continues to mystify is the way that worshippers of Margaret Thatcher on the right of the Conservative party have turned against her. After the two-to-one vote in favour of Remain in 1975, Thatcher joined in “rejoicing over this excellent result”.

She added: “Also, one cannot let this occasion pass without paying tribute to the vision of Sir Winston Churchill and the courage of Harold Macmillan, who made the original application.” (Of course, she should also have praised Edward Heath, who succeeded in his application. But then, relations between the two were, shall we say, somewhat strained.)"

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/29/labour-was-party-saw-folly-leaving-eu-harold-wilson-jeremy-corbyn

Ps oor jo. Any chance of a aye or a naw to a couple of questions i asked you about?

Did you know that you have to pay to work on construction sites (and also paulines line of work)?

When you said corbyn was pandering to 'idiots' are you saying he is lying about the effect of migration on work and wages? If he is then he has no principles and is indeed an opportunist. Yes or no?

If i priced a job in your house worth £400 cash £480 for a cheque that includes income tax. Would you happily pay the extra £80?

Toodle and indeed pip.
 Squareslice
Joined: 10/17/2016
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Posted: 7/31/2017 5:24:40 AM

Did you know that you have to pay to work on construction sites (and also paulines line of work)?


CSCS cards are getting ridiculous as are SIA ones.
Did ye know ye can get a CSCS card for kitchen portering?

Also, a basic SIA card will initially set ye back over £400 (inc training) but it gets up to treble that for a CCTV ticket and a handcuff licence.

Takes a few shifts to cover the outlay.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 7/31/2017 8:14:17 AM
Pauline
"The 400 job would need to include income tax as well. Unless you mean that if someone pays by cheque you'll factor in paying income tax and if they pay cash you won't."

The scenario I put over as an example was, I think the job as labour only would take 4 days.
Now we come to what you think is a fair days pay?

I think CLEARING a £100 per day is a fair wage for a time served decorator.

But for me to clear a £100 a day, if I am not being paid in cash and putting the price through the books I would need to charge £480.

I can of course reach a deal. But only on cash. If I was taking the £80 from the £400 then it leaves me £320. Or £10 an hour. Then take travel etc from the £320 and it would not be worth doing if I have other work on.

Typer
"Vlad, would you also price a job lower and steal the materials? What you're suggesting is tax evasion"

Nope. As I stated earlier I do not have an account with a decorators merchant. So I would buy the materials and give the client the receipt. Then they would square me up.

Yep I would say it was tax evasion. I have no accountant to steal tax money for me though.
Plus every job cannot be done for cash. But regular customers also want to evade tax by paying me cash.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 7/31/2017 8:47:35 AM
Pauline
"You would probably need to charge more than 480 given that you'd be probably looking to put aside 25 per cent at least for tax and NI. More like £540.

So obviously the cash jobs wouldn't be declared and the ones that get paid into your bank have to be."

Partially correct. If I think a job will take 4 days I would be looking to clear the £400. The £80 would cover tax and the NI.
SOME cashers have to go through. If on agency work they deduct the 20% for tax at source.

I don't make bundles of money. I work to live. My lassie got a good wee wedge from me a few years ago as money is for now. No when I'm deid.

I think those at the top should lead by example. Just now I am following THEIR example as things stand just now.
 Squareslice
Joined: 10/17/2016
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Posted: 7/31/2017 10:19:07 AM
NI is a stealth tax... it's actually more than income tax to the low paid

It has been many a year since it actually did what it said on the tin....

In order to maintain the highest quality forums you are restricted to having no more then 2 digs per month off whoever stalks you
 billybonds
Joined: 8/8/2014
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Posted: 7/31/2017 3:30:26 PM
National insurance is just an income tax. We are not paying premiums , the government is not investing this national insurance in various productive assets. Our national insurance is just as likely being spent on aircraft carriers and oversea aid . In fact if the government was just an insurance company it would be running a Ponzi scheme. We slave like gimps know no restraint in our fawning benevolence towards the warmongering evil **stards. So how much do we want vlad to give these parasites two lots of income tax, a slew of indirect taxes , death taxes and the daddy of them all the stealth tax , inflation. You evil **stards without his private enterprise we wouldn't have a country. Let them do their own ****ing painting, instead of living off vlad's toil.


You do realise they 've taken the national debt to 1.7 trillion . That's your ****ing credit card, off balance sheet liabilities takes it to ten trillion. Do you realise that , that 1.7 trillion is only going to disappear over the hill. DO YOU UNDERSTAND. They are ****ing broke. Insolvent . The welfare state is finished. The off balance sheet (why?) ten trillion pounds is only the known government debt , who knows what the debt is when the OTC derivatives are added in. It doesn't matter because the 1.7 trillion is not going to be paid back. I doubt if any pension will be paid with all the derivatives crammed in to them. You ****ing voted for this . Last figures from the bank of international settlements there was 63,000 derivative ounces for each actual ounce of gold . That is some price suppression.
 Squareslice
Joined: 10/17/2016
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Posted: 7/31/2017 5:26:22 PM
Dear Billy, be careful. Your high horse is that high (even higher than you), you'll prob break yer neck if ye ever try yo get off it!
 billybonds
Joined: 8/8/2014
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Posted: 7/31/2017 10:45:07 PM
^^^^^ Heightist!!!!
All I was saying Pauline and Square ( admittedly invidiously) is that we are not just a little broke but completely. This explains Corbyn, Brexit,Trump and even the snp. I feel the titanic is sinking and everyone thinks it's okay to carry on regardless. I'm in the lifeboat, am I wrong to be there or prudent.
 10ky
Joined: 11/15/2012
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Posted: 8/1/2017 1:12:18 AM
^
Where? Who is the heightist? Lets beat him up! A bit like poofter-bashing in kangaland back in the 1960s.

That aside, studies conducted by some of the most competent people around do sustain that the current system - especially welfare as is atm - is unsustainable in the long run. I came across a rather interesting report on the matter a few months ago but I cannae find it atm. Some of the mentioned reasons (for western European countries) were the ageing population in conjunction with an ever increasing anti-immigration sentiment and the lack of natural resources and other tangible/real wealth. Truth be told, we literally thrive on reputation here in the UK. Sooner or later, emerging countries like China (perhaps once they get rid of their garbage Bolshevik-inspired political system?) will get a reputation too and at that point, we're outa business. :/

Indeed, competent people do err too. They're human after all. However, I'd rather listen to them than to some jackarse politician or some lefty half-commie freak with an ulterior agenda and half an ounce of moulding grey matter in his skull.
 Justanotherchap
Joined: 12/4/2013
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Posted: 8/1/2017 1:22:20 AM
Money is just a figment of the imagination. It's a conjuring trick. As Billy has so often pointed out, the banks magic the money up form nowhere and make a profit from lending you nothing other than a promise. We've owed money as a country ever since the Napoleonic Wars and I don't think (notice hesitancy there) we have ever paid the national debt off. Supposedly we owe 1.7 trillion pounds - who to? The banks who borrowed it from the Bank of England who made it up from nothing in exchange for promises.

The reality is that this scheme can keep going on as long as the money goes round and round and round. The real problem comes when it is stashed offshore and is no longer in circulation. The government needs to make money a zero sum game such that taxes suck up all the excess above spending to be spent on funding the NHS etc.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 8/1/2017 9:57:23 AM
Intersting thingy from yougov today. It seems that some remainers would love to see the uk crash and burn because it would 'punish' those who voted leave.

I have read on some articles comments sections remainers gloating where jobs will be lost in areas that voted brexit. In fact i have read on the off topic forum some anti trump posters showing delight at folk losing jobs in pro trump states.

The torys have no clue. Labours civil war is going to start soon. The libdems are irrelevant........

"Fully 61% of Leave voters say that they think that “significant damage to the British economy to be a price worth paying for bringing Britain out of the European Union”. Only one in five Leave voters (20%) are clear that such a price is too high for Brexit – the remaining 19% don’t know.

The research shows that Brexit extremism is by no means restricted to Leave voters. One accusation that some have levelled at Remainers is that they want to see economic harm come to Britain, either to avert Brexit or out of sheer vindictiveness for having lost the referendum."

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/08/01/britain-nation-brexit-extremists/


But even more interesting for me anyway was this article in the weegie paper the herald. Personally i think the snp leadership need to have a wee rethink and try to offer something to those in Scotland who do not see independence as swapping westminister for brussels..........


"MANY SNP supporters were “driven away” by the party’s strong anti-Brexit stance, leading to “heavy losses” at the General Election, the definitive study of the vote has confirmed.

Academics from the British Election Study (BES) found 4 in 10 voters who backed the SNP in 2015 and then voted Leave switched to another party because of Europe."
http://www.heraldscotland.com news/15446561.Pro_Remain_stance_behind_SNP_losses_in_General_Election/
 billybonds
Joined: 8/8/2014
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:40:33 AM
Just to be clear, Corbyn, Trump, Brexit and the Snp are not
responsible for our socialist nirvana but are electoral symptoms
of the rightful disgust for where the socialist centralising murdering t
thieving system has left us.

As chap said our "money" is not money, it empirically doesn't
store value. A 1962 pound would need to total £2000, to buy
my parents' house in 1962. With a 2017 pound you would need
£500,000. So by swapping your labour for this "money" means
that that labour is over time stolen. Simply put the 1962 money
won't buy the 2017 house. This is plunder. Also all this scam
paper is someone's liability. So we circulate debt as our currency too. Why?
Corbyn supports all this larceny.

So my mum and dad sold their house in East london in 2003
for about £ 235,000, roughly so. They had several pensions and
some land in ireland and with some legacies and savings built
their house. The £235, 000 ended up in bank accounts. And I recall my
mum talking about lifting interest on this money to
spend say. Interest for the younger here was a simple bribe so banks
could hide the devastating harm that inflation did to savings and for the banks to get the
"seed" money so they could practise the
execrable fractional reserve lending.

For quite some time my mum has been wondering why she doesn't get any interest on
her money now. For me the scam is
out in the open.
But she is thinking like many people in doltish nominal terms.
Whilst in real terms she has had half her wealth nicked. That house is real
money, but she and my father converted that house into fiat fake pound
notes in 2003 but in 2017 those same fiat pound notes have lost half their purchasing power.
You need twice as much of the shit.

This is plunder. True wealth always moves from fiat pounds to to true money like property or an ownership in a company expressed in stock. Even with a massive confiscation of all true money and wealth in Britain. Mad lethal wars of plunder abroad for all the money and wealth in the world and all just for the proletariat of Blighty, there would still instantly be a collapse in our present living standards.

So given that Corbyn will plunder through the fiat "money" system. A fake money system based on a small amount of worthless paper and trillions of equally worthless computer digits. Whilst the fiat iou promises are still producing a veneer of prosperity we as a world will go broke slowly and then suddenly.

Corbyn is a fraud. I abhor collectivism, especially the british labour party' s tribalism and their
creed of equal distribution of fake money. Poverty and war kills people you know.

Jeff bezos became the richest man on the planet for a short time last week.
He runs and has stock in Amazon, pretty much a knick knack shop. In january 2015
Amazon stock was $285 dollars, by october of that year it was $580 and now about a
thousand dollars. Their sector is
only growing at 2% a year. what would justify such a price rise, did they invent ever lasting life.
Sure they're taking market
share off their brick
and mortar rivals. But wal-mart say are not feeble and they
will push back. So it's not justified. It's just that those who
sold their Amazon stock at $285 and went to Ireland with
their worthless coloured fiat paper have been stuffed.


You getting it ? Join the ****ing dots you lefty loons!!!
We can't consume what we don't produce. Except in a fiat fake money system.

" Well gee billy you fecking bore, move into your real money,
real capitalism system and I'll take my chances with Jeremy or
Theresa in the fiat debt slavery system"


Look I understand it's great seeing your house price at a level
that could buy ten houses in rural Donegal. Or a governmental
final salary pension that's built on the backs of millions of dead Muslims.
But it's going to end in one of two obscenely violent ways. Either there will be no
food and and you can't sell your house
except in a swap for five or six houses in rural Donegal or the food will be ten
times the price of your house
and people hate property. Probably a good entry point for
first time buyers if they are not starving.
 Squareslice
Joined: 10/17/2016
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:44:35 AM
Vlad, never trust a poll. In particular, never ever trust yougov. They somehow manage to always suit them that are paying them.
Bunch of shysters on a par with trustpilot. Any company that boasts of their trustpilot rating will never get my business.
 Squareslice
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Posted: 8/2/2017 2:01:43 PM
Pauline, yougov was founded in Oxford Uni.... how Tory dae ye want?
Effin pig effin f***** went there

In order to maintain the highest quality of shite you are restricted to using three sheets of bog roll.
wan up, wan doon n wan tae polish
 billybonds
Joined: 8/8/2014
Msg: 99
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Posted: 8/2/2017 3:18:22 PM
Pauline, the bubble is not burst because that is when pretend austerity goes away and real austerity begins.
Pauline , I know Jeremy is not PM . And I never said he had anything to do with the housing market that's gone before.
Pauline , every one should own their own house. Houses should be only two times a person's income in a sound money economy where price discovery hasn't been obliterated.
Pauline, I approve of nationalism over globalism. Obviously your nationalism will destroy my nationalism (British) but so be it but either nationalism is not an elixir for sound money and the justice that brings for all individuals.
Pauline , that fellow still hasn't rocked up and apologised for the repellant post he posted, so shameful.
Pauline , I didn't call you a lefty loon !!!!! You're too good looking for that nomenclature.

As chap said we are £1.7 trillion in debt as tax payers . But they also have off balance sheet liabilities , they have them so our debt is "only" £1.7 trillion. If they, by means of arithmetic added those figures together we would be £10 trillion in debt . So we are not going to do that . And we won't talk about the derivatives either. Or corporate debt or the off balance sheet liabilities or the corporate derivatives. Or personal debt , or mortgage debt, or car debt , or credit card debt, or student debt, or council debt and on and on ...l mean maybe it's me but have some people got their head up their arse . Stop it Pauline, you're too classy.
 billybonds
Joined: 8/8/2014
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Posted: 8/2/2017 4:17:49 PM
Pauline there is no overnight fixes but housing is not the problem it's fiat money . Socialism , Scottish or British is a dead end .
Change the money and we change everything. for future generations. So tired xx
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