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 vlad dracul
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Did any of yous know about the thousands of folk who marched in london last year? Neither did i. There were anything from 10,000 upwards on the said march. It was held no long after the attack in south london where the millwall lad and the bulgarian or romanian baker ran to fight them.

The bbc blanked it. If you stick the youtube clip on forward to around the 90 min mark. The Football Lads Alliance. All english football clubs were represented. Burying rivalries. Also war veterans. Sikhs. Ghurkas. And (probably why you never heard about it) black citizens.

The liblabcon would orgasm if they could put this many working class out to protest. If you watch said clip the interview below is with a bbc journo. Lol impartial my arse........


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IuL5nv1FlZc

YouTube interviewer: When you describe this crowd, how are you going to describe them in your news report?

BBC reporter: Er, well, we're going to call them...well, you've called...you've labelled yourself as an 'anti-extremist movement'...

YouTube interviewer: When your news report comes out on this will you mention the word 'far-right'?

BBC reporter: If people label it as such then we have to reflect that, yes.

YouTube interviewer: No, you should report and reflect what you've met and seen today. Have you seen far-right demonstrators?

BBC reporter: If people label it as such...

YouTube interviewer: If I label you as 'a nonce' would you report that you're a nonce? What you do is word-association - which is what all the media do against ordinary people. These are ordinary people who have come out to demonstrate. You will do word-association of 'racism' and 'far-right'. You've got ordinary people who are demonstrating against terrorism and you...every time the mainstream media...you brand them, and it's not fair. It's not right. And you know that because you're on this demonstration.

BBC reporter: I'm sure you know where those labels come from. You have calls for tighter immigration. That is a right-wing rhetoric.

YouTube interviewer: So calls for tighter immigration against Islamic terrorism is 'a right-wing rhetoric'? In fact the Labour Party talk about controls on immigration. Everyone does. What do you mean 'a right-wing rhetoric'? How it that 'right-wing rhetoric'?

BBC reporter: Well, but people would say that. That is by...

YouTube interviewer: So because this group talks about terrorism and talks about controlling borders that means they're 'far-right'?

BBC reporter: It's a far-right...yeah, they could be.

YouTube interviewer: This is what you're up against! This is what you're up against! This is the BBC. So if someone identifies as wanting to stop Islamic terrorism and controlling your borders it's 'far-right'.

BBC reporter: It would be labelled as such...

YouTube interviewer: By people like you!

BBC reporter: But my opinion is absolutely invalid. It's about getting..

YouTube interviewer: But you're reporting for the BBC. You're lying for the BBC. You are officially fake news. You are demonising so many innocent people...

BBC reporter: Right.

YouTube interviewer: You make it impossible for people to talk. And that's who you are. You're here to try and get bad footage. That's why you're here.

BBC reporter: Right.

YouTube interviewer: That's your agenda...

BBC reporter: You're frustrated with the media, from what I take from this?

YouTube interviewer: You have a complete agenda when you come to these demonstrations. And you don't usually report it. If you don't get any bad footage of today, if you can't get violence, you don't report.

BBC reporter: Do you think there will be violence today? I mean, it's been peaceful so far.

YouTube interviewer: No. Not unless far-left demonstrators are allowed to get up and throw things at people, which is what usually happens. So if the people want to stitch people up, which we see time and time again, then we'll see. But you are all part of the problem.

Isn't that revealing? The BBC reporter (or producer) is maintaining his - and the BBC's - impartiality but says that this protest by the Football Lads Alliance will be labelled as 'far-right' by the BBC because (unspecified) people label it as such.

He also openly states his own opinion that calling for tighter immigration is "a right-wing rhetoric" - a particularly revealing insight into BBC groupthink.

And when the YouTube interviewer states that the BBC's agenda will dictate that it won't report the protest unless there's "bad footage", the BBC reporter asks if the YouTube interviewer thinks there will be violence today....and, yes, the YouTube interviewer was correct in his prediction that because there was no 'bad footage', no violence, the BBC wouldn't report this demonstration, and they didn't.

http://isthebbcbiased.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/a-dialogue-about-football-lads-alliance.html
 duracell_bunny_one
Joined: 1/21/2015
Msg: 45
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Posted: 1/7/2018 1:47:10 PM
I tend to watch BBC 'News' and then Sky...........
It's not the best balance, but it's interesting how
'late' the Beeb is with some stuff.
7/7 is a case in point, the Beeb were still prattling on
about a 'voltage surge' while Sky were showing hazcherm
tents being erected at Aldgate - I know a little about this,
one of my family was on the Aldgate train.
The Beeb is controlled by HMG - simples.

 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 46
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Posted: 1/8/2018 4:20:21 AM
Hilarious.
"Football lads"?
Most of them look to be in their 50s
How very "kind" of them to "bury their rivalries"
Football "supporters" probably take up more police time than "terrorists".

Every week, these fine 40-60 year-old "lads" terrorise town centres, and transport links, because these dimwitted psychopaths feel it's "good fun" to attack people, based on nothing more than the colour of a scarf.
They are by definition, extremists. Their actions are extreme.

the founder of the alliance, John Meighan, has previously received a suspended prison sentence relating to football hooliganism and served a ban from attending football matches. The conviction related to Meighan's participation in a brawl between 90 men in Mile End.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Lads_Alliance
He's too fvcking childish to be allowed into games, and yet he's out demonstrating against "extremists"?
Tommy Robinson attended the march, as did many other "members" of the now disbanded (?) EDL.

Here's how the Indy reported the march:

But when confronted with a tiny group of silent counter-protestors behind a police line in Whitehall, they shouted: “Scum, scum, scum!’
The anti-racist group simply stood with their signs.
Beer cans were hurled and the police had to hold back the marchers. Coins were also allegedly thrown.
.......
But as the crowd walked quietly towards the cenotaph, some seemed to forget the peaceful and sombre nature of their march.

A small group of counter demonstrators, vastly outnumbered, stood silently with signs and a banner reading: “No to Islamophobia”.

Nothing was said to the FLA, but the mood of the march quickly changed on sight of the opposing group. First they began clapping, then started chanting “who the f****** hell are you?”

The reaction quickly escalated, and unprovoked, they swore, hurled abuse and threats at the men and women on the other side of a line of police officers.

“Mug. I’ll f****** open you up,” a marcher in a pork pie hat hissed at a counter-demonstrator.

“They shouldn’t be here,” another said. “F****** paedophiles.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/football-lads-alliance-inside-far-right-march-london-edl-london-a7988451.html

Of course, there was a huge police presence, there had to be, because the man organising it is a convicted, violent criminal, and most of the participants were violent, tattooed, extremist fvckwits.
-But that's "accepted" as being "culturally British".
Gimme a fvcking break!

If the "football lads" want change, or a less-violent society, they should start with themselves.
Stop terrorising town centres, and railway stations.
Stop using up so much valuable police time, keeping dimwits apart.

“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” ~ Gandhi.

I don't recall seeing any "football lads" objecting to the murder of Jo Cox.
If the BBC had reported it "without bias", the headlines would read simply:

"British psychopaths object to "foreign" psychopaths, stealing their jobs"
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 1/8/2018 9:13:29 AM
Josef Spartacus.
Oh deary me. One post about mainly working class football lads having a demo against mad islamists and the hatred spews forth........

"Hilarious. "Football lads"? Most of them look to be in their 50s"

And? You ARE aware that a football lad is a supporter of a football team? Or are you one of those folk who equate all football lads as hoolies or
ultras?...........

"How very "kind" of them to "bury their rivalries" Football "supporters" probably take up more police time than "terrorists"."

You mean like london labour and the tories put aside their rivalries to shaft the 17.4 million brexit voters?

You know nothing of football so the significance sails over your head. And yet football hoolies have bans from city centres. Bans from stadiums. Bans from travelling abroad. Signing into a polis station at 3pm every Saturday.

They should go to Syria and join daesh. Then come back. Because they get no hassle at all do they?........

"Every week, these fine 40-60 year-old "lads" terrorise town centres, and transport links, because these dimwitted psychopaths feel it's "good fun" to attack people, based on nothing more than the colour of a scarf."


Oh dear. They have no spread out age wise. Still stuck in the 70's eh? The colour of a scarf? Lol. Wonder if they ever thought about laying nations to waste? Like london labour and their tory mirror image done.......

"They are by definition, extremists. Their actions are extreme."

What is extreme about their actions? Having a demo against right wing islamofascists? Does that mean that unite against fascism are extremists because they share a platform with conservative islamists? Or what is your definition of extremist? Do you include the anarchists who use every demonstration to smash windows and fight the polis? Are they extremists?..........

"The founder of the alliance, John Meighan, has previously received a suspended prison sentence relating to football hooliganism and served a ban from attending football matches. The conviction related to Meighan's participation in a brawl between 90 men in Mile End."


Yes he has. But what is your point? Look at London labours momentum dafties. Bullying and threatening blairites. Your chums in unite against fascism who stand shoulder to shoulder with terrorist supporters calling for British and American soldiers to be killed............


"Jeremy Corbyn has refused to distance himself from the left-wing Momentum campaign group despite claims from Labour women MPs that they are being targeted by its supporters with online and offline abuse.

The Labour leader came under pressure at a meeting of the Women’s Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) as a string of MPs, some on the edge of tears, gave accounts of the attacks they had suffered in recent months

During the hour-long meeting in the Commons on Tuesday, Parliamentarians recounted how they had been threatened with deselection and had felt that Momentum supporters had ‘incited’ harassment and even rape threats."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-womens-plp-momentum-online-abuse-metro-mayor-selections-luciana-berger-jess-phillips_uk_58ad5d82e4b0d0a6ef465753

Are momentum extremists then? They threaten opponents in the same london labour party with violence and even rape. Thats no very nice. Is it? Or are they the extremists it's ok to like?...........

"He's too fvcking childish to be allowed into games, and yet he's out demonstrating against "extremists"?"

And why should he not be? I don't recall many football lads going on terrorist killing sprees. Do you? .........

"Tommy Robinson attended the march, as did many other "members" of the now disbanded (?) EDL."

He was there reporting for the online media outfit he works for. If I mind right stalanists attend London labour meetings. What a hero to have........

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/football-lads-alliance-inside-far-right-march-london-edl-london-a7988451.html

Ah yes. I read the indy report. Lol totally unbiased eh? And remind me again what evidence he presented? Or are we to take his word for it?..........

"Of course, there was a huge police presence, there had to be, because the man organising it is a convicted, violent criminal, and most of the participants were violent, tattooed, extremist fvckwits. -But that's "accepted" as being "culturally British". Gimme a fvcking break!"

MOST of the participants are violent and tattooed? How do you know that? Or are you just guessing? Again?

Has the geezer killed as many folk as London labours Tony Blair? But then you voted London labour and Tony Blair was it three times?........

"If the "football lads" want change, or a less-violent society, they should start with themselves. Stop terrorising town centres, and railway stations."

Again you equate football lads as all hooligans. When I go to The Holy Ground I go with lads who attend football. You really should stop your pre judging.........

"Stop using up so much valuable police time, keeping dimwits apart."

The polis charge clubs top money on football days. I agree it can be disruptive. But then so can any demo or large crowd gathering. Ooooo dimwits lol. Another chance to spew out hatred for those you think are below you eh?............

“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” ~ Gandhi. "

Then stop voting London labour and the tory war criminals. And does that only apply to citizens you sneer at? Or does voting 3 times for the war criminal blair not count?............

"I don't recall seeing any "football lads" objecting to the murder of Jo Cox."

How do you knows that's the case? Hundreds of football fan forums had posters who wrote about jo cox's murder. You should try and learn a bit more before spewing hate.

Here is just one Scottish football fan Web site. 43 pages about jo cox's murder......

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/231665-jo-cox-mp/

"If the BBC had reported it "without bias", the headlines would read simply:
"British psychopaths object to "foreign" psychopaths, stealing their jobs""

But the march and meeting was nothing to do with jobs. Once again your entitled elitist views spew hatred to working class folk. You are well suited to the new London labour under st jeremy of corbyn. How are they psychopaths then?

How would the bbc report on momentum if they were not biased?

Entitled elitist middle class momentum snobs object to working class folk demanding more wages? Aye?

You really are one hate filled man against those you see as inferior to you eh? Your hatred of us and your blatant christophobia and islamophobia shine through.

You sound like an extremist.
 Paulineandsalem
Joined: 12/7/2017
Msg: 48
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Posted: 1/10/2018 5:23:15 PM
Surely the suggestion isn't that if you like football you weren't concerned about the murder of jo Cox?

I was horrified by her murder. Sickened. It helps not to make huge sweeping generalisations about football fans.

Serves no purpose whatsoever
 Paulineandsalem
Joined: 12/7/2017
Msg: 49
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Posted: 1/10/2018 5:24:38 PM
The bbc are a disgrace in Scotland, particularly the news reporting.

I'll never give them another penny. The bias is unbelievable.
 Paulineandsalem
Joined: 12/7/2017
Msg: 50
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Posted: 1/11/2018 7:33:24 AM
Here's some of the "quality" reporting on BBC Scotland

On January 9th a story appeared across BBC Scotland platforms. The story was based on newly published Accident and Emergency waiting time figures for the Scottish NHS. Figures, BBC Scotland reported, were the worst on record.

The story dominated news output on BBC Scotland that day. Bolstering the narrative was a case study featuring one man’s experiences after he slipped and hurt his foot between Christmas and New Year. Allan Browne featured on Reporting Scotland that morning.

In the first clip above, viewers are told by the presenter that “Allan Browne is one of the patients affected by the long waiting times”. The presenter adds that Browne attended A&E on Boxing Day “with a suspected fractured ankle after slipping on ice, only to be told the wait would be more than eight hours and it probably wasn’t broken.”

There are no details provided on who allegedly told Browne the wait would be longer than eight hours and that his ankle probably wasn’t broken.

In the second clip viewers are told by reporter Shelley Jofre that Browne “ended up in A&E on Boxing day after slipping on the ice ” and that “faced with an eight hour weight, he hobbled home and went back when the pain became unbearable.”

In both clips viewers then hear Browne complain that he has “been waiting a week” and that a nurse told him that he had fractured his ankle and that he should not have been walking around on it. Indeed an online clip of Browne heard him complain further about the so-called delay to his treatment.
 Paulineandsalem
Joined: 12/7/2017
Msg: 51
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Posted: 1/11/2018 7:34:03 AM
A BBC Scotland complaint – ‘Broken Ankle Man’
Site Admin11 January 2018 Guests 3 Comments
Below is a complaint submitted to BBC Scotland on Thursday, January 11th. The complaint centres on a case study featuring a member of the public who apparently faced delays in receiving treatment for a broken ankle due to pressures on A&E in his local hospital over the 2017 festive season.



Complaint in full

On January 9th a story appeared across BBC Scotland platforms. The story was based on newly published Accident and Emergency waiting time figures for the Scottish NHS. Figures, BBC Scotland reported, were the worst on record.

The story dominated news output on BBC Scotland that day. Bolstering the narrative was a case study featuring one man’s experiences after he slipped and hurt his foot between Christmas and New Year. Allan Browne featured on Reporting Scotland that morning.



He featured again on the evening programme.



In the first clip above, viewers are told by the presenter that “Allan Browne is one of the patients affected by the long waiting times”. The presenter adds that Browne attended A&E on Boxing Day “with a suspected fractured ankle after slipping on ice, only to be told the wait would be more than eight hours and it probably wasn’t broken.”

There are no details provided on who allegedly told Browne the wait would be longer than eight hours and that his ankle probably wasn’t broken.

In the second clip viewers are told by reporter Shelley Jofre that Browne “ended up in A&E on Boxing day after slipping on the ice ” and that “faced with an eight hour weight, he hobbled home and went back when the pain became unbearable.”

In both clips viewers then hear Browne complain that he has “been waiting a week” and that a nurse told him that he had fractured his ankle and that he should not have been walking around on it. Indeed an online clip of Browne heard him complain further about the so-called delay to his treatment.



Complaint 1.

The impression given by the clips is that Allan Browne has been told by qualified hospital staff that his ankle has not been broken and that he will probably not be seen for eight hours. This information has apparently persuaded Browne that he does not need urgent treatment. Only after hobbling in pain for a week has he realised that his ankle may in fact be worse than he was told.

The impression is misleading. Not broadcast on Reporting Scotland was the real reason Browne was not treated when first attending A&E. He wasn’t treated because he voluntarily left A&E before being seen by a medical professional. The person who allegedly told Browne his ankle “probably wasn’t broken” was the hospital receptionist.

Browne provided this information during the filmed interview, but it was cut from Reporting Scotland. An uncut audio recording was broadcast on Radio Scotland earlier that morning.

In the uncut recording, we hear an extraordinary tale from Browne. He claims to have spoken to a hospital receptionist who he alleges told him he may have to wait up to eight hours to be seen. He also claims this same receptionist told him his ankle most probably wasn’t broken. This, we are invited to believe, was why he decided not to seek treatment.

We also learn that Browne waited two whole days after his slip before even going to A&E. In both TV clips viewers are told Browne first attended A&E on Boxing Day. However in the uncut audio clip Browne can be heard very clearly saying he slipped two days earlier on Christmas Eve.
 Paulineandsalem
Joined: 12/7/2017
Msg: 52
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Posted: 1/11/2018 7:35:52 AM
The decision by Reporting Scotland to edit the interview meant viewers were denied the opportunity to judge whether Browne or his local hospital were responsible for the delay to his treatment. It is of course normal practice to truncate interviews due to time constraints, but not when by truncating them you present a wholly distorted version of the truth.

Indeed, when all of the facts of this story emerge, it can be seen that Allan Browne received timely treatment when he attended A&E and stayed. He was even seen within the target four hours.

In the uncut audio recording Allan Browne can be heard very clearly attacking the Scottish Government. “I always hear the excuse from Government that it’s a seasonal thing, you always have a bottleneck of people at the winter season. Can’t they prepare better for this? Can’t they provide more staff? I don’t know if it’s a funding problem or a management problem, but it seems to me if it’s the same problem every year then it’s fairly predictable and a bit of forward thinking management should be able to counteract that problem.”

This is a political attack on the Scottish Government from someone with a rather dubious tale regarding his experience of A&E. But is it the gripes of an ordinary everyday punter with no political axe to grind as BBC Scotland has presented it? The answer is no.
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