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 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 376
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I personally have a very very difficult time figuring out, in the first place, *why* waving the flag and/or playing the national anthem at a pay to attend sports event is in any way, or shape, or form, patriotic. It doesn't matter if you put bunny ears on a giraffe--it still doesn't make it a playboy bunny.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 377
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/16/2017 2:44:59 PM
when you aren't simple-minded, its difficult to figure why those who are, follow a dog whistle. Just like when a politician buttons on a flag pin, or Kid Rock cuts an American flag into a poncho to wear, you'd think some Republicans would call him to task on that one before he even runs for office. But they don't hear a dog whistle about that one, so they can't even recognize it as something to be offended by.

Do veterans fight for freedom of speech? (Well, technically in the heat of battle, they fight for the person next to them to survive). Does a VP go to a sports game totally clueless about what's going to happen there? He could have just not gone in the first place, as a statement. He certainly could have "Walked out" on a lot of things he sees going on at the White Again House, Bob Corker and a few other GOP can tell him when he should be offended.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-says-he-told-pence-to-walk-out-on-colts-game

"Last May, Pence gave the Notre Dame commencement speech. A large group of students decided to protest Pence, Trump, and their policies on things like immigration and the LGBTQ+ community by walking out of the ceremony.
There were dozens, maybe even hundreds of articles written by Conservatives and Trump supporters about "liberal snowflakes" being disrespectful, ungrateful, and down-right rude by exercising their right to free speech and peaceful, public protest. Trump, Pence, and other Republicans also condemned the students for walking out."

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/you-should-be-outraged-by-mike-pence-walking-out-of-the-colts-game

I think the problem with their thinking is, its hard to get enough oxygen to their brain when their head is that far up their own ass. Oxygen starvation of the brain cells would explain a lot...
 John252817
Joined: 8/24/2016
Msg: 378
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/16/2017 4:32:48 PM
VP Pence walked out because that is what he believes in, if you don't like it that's fine but that it is his right. The NFL is getting pressured as they should and hopefully all players will stand during the anthem. If they don't, then the teams should be able to fine them. The players are working when they enter the building under contract, their bosses have every right to say what they can and can't do. I am all for the players opening any dialogue they seem fit AWAY from their place of employment and I encourage it!! YIKES!!!
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 379
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/16/2017 5:44:06 PM
#376 says


I personally have a very very difficult time figuring out, in the first place, *why* waving the flag and/or playing the national anthem at a pay to attend sports event is in any way, or shape, or form, patriotic.


It isn't
Its done for nationalistic reasons....it became a tradition from the time of WW1, when it was played at the start of every baseball game to remember all the ball players who were in the armed services during the war...and it just stayed on.

Up until 2009, NFL players came out on the field after the NA was played

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#377


He certainly could have "Walked out" on a lot of things he sees going on at the White Again House,


Or he could have "WALKED OUT" on Trump's offer as VP (like Kasich did), when he got a call from a 5 time draft dodger, (who profoundly DISRESPECTED his country & flag, when he refused to STEP up to the plate to SERVE the nation he says he "loves")

But Pence is another "Golden Calf worshiper"...trying to serve 2 masters...from both sides of his mouth.
Let us hope that he is judged by the same Bible he claims to believe in.
 forumslady
Joined: 12/7/2016
Msg: 380
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/16/2017 7:08:21 PM
Here we go, the usual suspects, blathering on about nothing, making no sense.
We either have freedom of speech or we don't.
Limiting rights is the antithesis of freedom.
There is a back story to the "taking a knee" protest. One some people are ignoring or don't know at all.
(The short version is that taking a knee was actually suggested by a veteran)
Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4nyaL8qmK0

First, certain people were complaining about rioting, looting, violence, etc. "They" should protest peacefully, these people said.
SO, someone does exactly that and it STILL isn't ok.
If said people would be honest about who the "they" is and say the word they want to say, at least there would be some honesty.
Black men are being murdered by the police, sometimes on video and they are getting away with it.
HOW can there be any question this is happening when we SEE the videos and then see the end of trials and a not guilty verdict?! (That is, when there is even a trial)

It is NOT about the flag, people, it's about injustice, get that through your heads!

Also, let me point out how long now we have been seeing people disrespect their beloved flag in myriad ways.........
For example it is NOT proper to:
Use the image of the flag, commercially. You can go to the store, right now and buy beer with the flag printed on the cans.
Print the image on clothing, IE: Jeans, shorts and t-shirts.
It is not proper to fly a tattered flag, or an old flag.
I could go on, but surely the point is made??

Oh, one more thing- Just the same as taking a knee is about injustice for those doing it and NOT about the flag, the ones foaming at the mouth about it aren't really upset about the flag either.
We SEE you and we know what YOUR anger is about too. What your issue with the protests is REALLY about.

Put away your bibles, open an actual educational book and quit working people's nerves!

(This is where a hypocrite comes in and calls me a hypocrite in 5, 4, 3, 2... :D)
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 381
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/16/2017 7:50:49 PM

Msg: 380
There is a back story to the "taking a knee" protest. One some people are ignoring or don't know at all.
(The short version is that taking a knee was actually suggested by a veteran)


It was mentioned in Msg: 131. The problem is that Comrade Trump supporters take everything he says as gospel truth, no matter what anyone else says. They don't care about facts or reality. Trump cult followers will continue drinking the orange kool-aid , they simply don't care.


MAGA – Morons Are Governing America.
 forumslady
Joined: 12/7/2016
Msg: 382
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/16/2017 8:01:25 PM
Llove2laughtoo-Msg: 380
"There is a back story to the "taking a knee" protest. One some people are ignoring or don't know at all.
(The short version is that taking a knee was actually suggested by a veteran)"

" It was mentioned in Msg: 131. The problem is that Comrade Trump supporters take everything he says as gospel truth, no matter what anyone else says. They don't care about facts or reality. Trump cult followers will continue drinking the orange kool-aid , they simply don't care. "

They care, they just care about themselves. Anyone still supporting Trump is either like him, delusional, or too stubborn to admit they were wrong.

2020 is coming and I can not wait for this abysmal period of US history to BE history.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 383
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/16/2017 9:25:36 PM
A statement made by the San Antonio spurs head coach (and US veteran) Gregg Popovich on Trump's latest speech at the WH rose garden

"This man in the Oval Office is a soulless coward who thinks that he can only become large by belittling others. This has of course been a common practice of his, but to do it in this manner—and to lie about how previous Presidents responded to the deaths of soldiers—is as low as it gets. We have a pathological liar in the White House: unfit intellectually, emotionally, and psychologically to hold this office and the whole world knows it, especially those around him every day. The people who work with this President should be ashamed because they know it better than anyone just how unfit he is, and yet they choose to do nothing about it. This is their shame most of all."

As a veteran, Popovich well knows how frustrating it is...when a COWARD is the commander & chief of the armed forces.......and those in the GOP around him that are too cowardly to yank him from his position
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 384
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/17/2017 3:51:21 PM
more reason for kneeling from euclid, ohio.
 forumslady
Joined: 12/7/2016
Msg: 385
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/17/2017 5:04:39 PM
deetristate- " more reason for kneeling from euclid, ohio."
I only got in an hour ago. I've been out all day and haven't checked my news feed.
I'm afraid to ask, but I'm going to anyway......What happened?
 John252817
Joined: 8/24/2016
Msg: 386
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/17/2017 8:25:49 PM
Who cares what a President says on this NFL thing....YIKES!!!! The NFL is losing money because of it and that is great!! Players need to vent their issues at the right time and place and the stadium isn't one of them.
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 387
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/17/2017 9:19:19 PM

Msg: 383
As a veteran, Popovich well knows how frustrating it is...when a COWARD is the commander & chief of the armed forces.......and those in the GOP around him that are too cowardly to yank him from his position


If John Kelly is a decent and honorable man, he would resign after Comrade Trump politicized the death of his son and used that opportunity as a talking point to insult previous presidents. Especially when Kelly, for years, has been reluctant to discuss the death of his son, who died in Afghanistan.

This does prove one thing, Trump has absolutely NO respect for the Military or for the men and women who die in service to our country.


MAGA – Morons Are Governing America.
 NewYorker58
Joined: 6/11/2013
Msg: 388
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Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/17/2017 10:03:53 PM
Dee, the cop had reprimands and complaints against him. I'm sure he did a lot more than what he was caught for. People that were abused by the cop should sue the police dept for not getting rid of him sooner. That's what keeps workplaces in check, they dump employees that are abusive or else they're going to get sued. I'd love to see cops wearing cameras. With all the protesting by black folks, I'm surprised to not hear this is a focus and that they haven't made strides with forcing the police depts to make changes yet. In Seattle, they're starting to wear cameras.
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 389
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/18/2017 3:44:41 AM

NFL will allow players to kneel during national anthem

The NFL won’t stop its players from kneeling during the national anthem, Commissioner Roger Goodell said Tuesday following the league’s autumn meeting.

Instead, he said, the league wants to help them in their political activism — in the face of President Trump’s sharp criticism of the quiet protests during “The Star-Spangled Banner” at numerous games this season.

“We spent today talking about the issues that our players have been trying to bring attention to. About issues in our communities to make our communities better,” Goodell told reporters.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/nfl-players-kneel-national-anthem-article-1.3570535



MAGA – Morons Are Governing America.
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 390
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/18/2017 4:16:19 AM
“We spent today talking about the issues that our players have been trying to bring attention to. About issues in our communities to make our communities better,” Goodell told reporters.


This is fantastic! I would love to see more professional athletes get involved in our communities. Perhaps, being a bridge between law enforcement and citizens. :)
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 391
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/18/2017 7:41:11 AM

Who cares what a President says on this NFL thing....YIKES!!!!


i agree chuck, let's keep it real and current, eh?



The president has singled out issues with infrastructure and other challenges in Puerto Rico that he said pre-dated the storm as hurdles in the path to recovery. He has also warned that he won't leave federal employees in Puerto Rico indefinitely.

"We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!" he tweeted.


vienna sausage anyone?
 John252817
Joined: 8/24/2016
Msg: 392
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/18/2017 8:45:48 AM
babble about nothing, the NFL and its problem is only going to get worse and money or the loss of money talks. We shall see if the NFL will change their "policy" and actually enforce it and like Kj says, have the NFL encourage more and more millionaires to get out there in the communities, get to Chicago, get to the gangs, get to the communities where there is no moral compass, no fathers in children's lives. Get with leaders of communities and actually have sincere discussions. Babble about nothing, you sound like someone who wants something and expects that something without helping and doing the groundwork to make things better. But that is the liberal way, the "bleeding heart way"......not the compassionate way. That is why people like you and many of the liberals in here stumble and fall with their "talk". Thanks for the compliment, I get that all the time and also get the likeness of a major singer. I am like Chuck too and can tell you right now what you are going to type in response to this post before you even type it. Yup, pretty impressive eh?
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 393
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/18/2017 8:52:02 AM
a lot of these players are already active in comunities.
that won't stop anyone from getting beaten or killed just because they were "dwb.."
________
did you see that case where the cameras were turned off by the police?
________
fathers are absent in a nearby well to do

"majority"

neighborhood because they moved on to wife number

two
three
or four.


their kids are sexting, making porn movies abd stealing and overdosing on oxy and such.
they are not jailed or even arrested usually.

father absence is a universal problem.
_________
chicago is as it is because it is allowed to be.

someone broke in a car in my way above average income neighboor and stole a jacket and extra police were put on duty for weeks.

weeks.


i am not really for the kneeling but based on posts here, it is working as intended.
anoying "police right always" people.
___________
babble below
EDIT.


no.

but envy is not a good look on you.
you are "sounding like" lil/ popp.

do i look like a majority member to you?





 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 394
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/18/2017 9:07:42 AM

fathers are absent in a nearby well to do

"majority"
neighborhood because they moved on to wife number
two
three
or four.
their kids are sexting, making porn movies abd stealing and overdosing on oxy and such.
they are not jailed or even arrested usually.

father absence is a universal problem.


is that what your kids are doing, since you are so dialled in
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 395
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/18/2017 9:16:02 AM

have the NFL encourage more and more millionaires to get out there in the communities, get to Chicago, get to the gangs, get to the communities where there is no moral compass, no fathers in children's lives. Get with leaders of communities and actually have sincere discussions.

Oh, I see, it's the job of the NFL and not the government to see to these things. There ya go, a new party to run next time around. As far as millionaires (football players) going out into the communities, here are just a few: https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/29/16375378/nfl-players-charity-donations-jj-watt-hurricane-harvey-patrick-peterson-foundation
Let's see your verifiable list of good works, since you are so busy telling someone else to get out there and make a difference.
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 396
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/18/2017 9:37:56 AM
" since you are so busy telling someone else to get out there and make a difference."

Where did I tell someone to do something?
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 397
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/18/2017 9:53:32 AM

Where did I tell someone to do something?

Unless you have two profiles you're getting confused with, I wasn't quoting or responding to you.
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 398
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/18/2017 10:12:40 AM
Sorry Ms. Chameleonf. Did not see John's post.

But I do agree with his sentiment. It takes a village to fix things at this point. Can't just rely on the government to do everything for us.

I think it would be wonderful and a great step forward if we could get BLM, pro atheletes or just members of the community to meet with various LE agencies...maybe go on ride alongs and get more involved with policy development from having an inside perspective. Actively promote law enforcement careers. All kinds of things could be done.

Who knows? Maybe Kaepernick might even consider becoming a police officer. :)
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 399
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/18/2017 10:34:19 AM
buffy and jody don't need ride alongs or an "inside perspective" to not be beaten or killed by police.


or not subjected to this.
http://www.cleveland.com/

see euclid police beating video on youtube.


he was recently fired.

but the police union is fighting it.


and he will probably be hired by some other town.
he was hired by this town when he was about to be fired for abuse on another force.


the police culture needs to change.


you do this by sending a few police, just a few, to jail.
 ThePigOfYourDreams
Joined: 6/30/2017
Msg: 400
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 10/18/2017 11:02:27 AM


Who knows? Maybe Kaepernick might even consider becoming a police officer. :)


You mean actually trying to "make a difference" directly instead of this bullshit show he's pulling with the NFL?

(insert the rolling on the floor laughing emoticon)
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