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 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 651
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So, Kappie could have kept his mouth shut about injustice, taken $80 mill he didn't deserve and tell everyone to worry about themselves...but instead risked a payday to make a stand? we used to call such things honorable, but then that football player (who's name escapes me now) gave up a payday to be a Ranger and took friendly fire in Afghanistan. so I guess we have no faith in anything but money.

Well, I guess that's the recipe for MAGA--take money, not a stand for what you think is right.

interesting.
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 652
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/28/2018 4:44:06 PM

If he were to do it all over again he would have taken the money and kept playing.


You somehow know Kaepernick's mind? You know that he would rather play a game than stand up for what he believes? You know this? Its a game, a game where men get paid stupid amounts of money. Maybe not being a "sell out" is more manly than playing a game. Maybe he will become more of a roll model for kids. Many of us look at Ali more for being a man and not selling out and taking a stand for what he believed than we do for his boxing career. IMHO.

Its just a game. He has a life and will do well.
 Sandbyday
Joined: 7/25/2017
Msg: 653
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/28/2018 5:03:26 PM

So, Kappie could have kept his mouth shut about injustice, taken $80 mill

Nope. He didn't ever have to keep quiet about anything. He was kneeling and protesting the whole year. The 9er's offered him 8o million dollars in spite of it. He flat out refused. He thought he was worth more and someone would pay him. No one has. Clearly he would have taken the 80 million dollars guaranteed contract if he knew he wouldn't play . another down, you don't need to read everyones mind to figure out they fvcked up or not. He's out there begging for someone to hire him. EVERY time a team hires someone else and doesn't sign him a shrieks 'foul play'. He's suing the league for collusion (hey, maybe it was the Russians!) Sure doesn't sound like a person who's happy about the place he's put himself into. He would play for $500,000 if someone signed him today.

I was wrong about the four players. It was five quarterbacks signed in the first round of the NFL draft while Kap kneels unemployed. Sounds like the owners are colluding again. Maybe he should hire
Robert Meuller hahahahahahahahaha.




He has a life

Football is his life, er, was.
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 654
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/28/2018 6:42:43 PM

Football is his life, er, was.


Really? It was a job, a career...not his life. Do you say that about truck drivers or welders or lawyers or accountants? Its their life? No, what they do when they go home is "their life".

And if he's a shitty football player, so be it. Hopefully that's why he isn't getting hired. And maybe the league is colluding, you don't know. You're giving you're opinion, not fact.
 NewYorker58
Joined: 6/11/2013
Msg: 655
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Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/28/2018 6:51:07 PM
When you cause problems at your job, you could get blackballed in that industry. It's not collusion. Word spreads, but in this case, everyone could see for themselves.

Playing football isn't just a job, it's a passion for those that do it.
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 656
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/28/2018 7:52:23 PM

Playing football isn't just a job, it's a passion for those that do it.


So is teaching or nursing or finance or landscaping or cooking or research or heart surgery...for those who do these things. Its no different. In fact, all that I mentioned are far more important that playing football or golf or swimming or playing badminton.

And really, he didn't "cause problems at your job". He respectfully took a knee, very silently. Too many focus on the fact he did this as opposed to why he felt a need to do this and actually look at that aspect of it all.
 Llove2LaughToo
Joined: 4/14/2018
Msg: 657
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/28/2018 8:44:41 PM
It is a waste of time to try to explain a Comrade Trump supporter why he is taking a knee. They know why, and it has been explained ad nauseum on this thread. They have drunk the orange kool-aid and don't care.

MAGA: My Attorney Got Arrested.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 658
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/29/2018 10:41:10 AM
The person who should've been blacklisted from playing in the NFL for life is Michael Vick. After spending 20 months in jail for his participation in organizing dog fighting matches and animal cruelty, he was reinstated reinstated by the NFL commissioner and cleared to play, and played for several more years before retiring.
What he did is a lot more barbaric than Kaepernick taking a knee.
 NewYorker58
Joined: 6/11/2013
Msg: 659
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Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/29/2018 1:28:17 PM
Site, they're 2 different scenarios, but Vick should not have been allowed to play football again. Of course people will say he served his time, but when someone does something so agregious, they should never be allowed to return. I don't think Krapernick should be banned, but if a team that's hiring perceives him as disruptive and he continues to say he will be, then he did have options and chose to not play. That was his choice.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 660
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/29/2018 1:34:57 PM
It seems to this outsider the NFL has a few issues to answer for (helmet injuries) and basketball has its issues over paying college players and baseball had its "Let Manny be Manny" issues. A disruptive player like the fool who used to go visit North Korea (can't remember his name) seems to get the sport as much press as a player who can beat Michael Jordan or Dr. J. it seems to be as much about entertainment as talent....but not down to the level of say, WWE. That fake wrestling is definitely about entertainment and soap-opera for men levels of drama.
 ja6425
Joined: 1/16/2018
Msg: 661
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/29/2018 1:52:23 PM
" but if a team that's hiring perceives him as disruptive and he continues to say he will be, then he did have options and chose to not play. That was his choice."


^^^^^^^^^^^BINGO!!!! Colin isn't banned from playing in the NFL, nope, not at all. Owners, you know the people that OWN the teams, they are the boss. Just like in other working sectors, there are RULES!!! If an owner doesn't want Colin for him being disrupting, then they have the right to not want him. It's Colin's decision to think he can do what he wants and when he doesn't get his way, he cries collusion.

A poster talks about Colin being "respectful"........BS!! Colin has the right AWAY from his employment to protest and have his freedom to do so. The majority of fans don't want players protesting while on the job. The owners know this. Keep your day job and things you want to address that has nothing to do with playing done after you leave the workplace. People would actually respect you for doing what is right!!
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 662
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/29/2018 3:38:03 PM

...but if a team that's hiring perceives him as disruptive...


Disruptive? Quietly and respectfully taking a knee is "disruptive". It seems only to be "disruptive" to those that are either racist, republican, patriots (new name for white supremacists) or bible thumpers....or any combination there of. IMHO. Those with an open mind and are humane think differently. Just sayin.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 663
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/29/2018 4:08:27 PM
When VP Pence went to a game and walked out during the playing of the national anthem, isn't that disruptive?
What about Trump throwing a temper tantrum at a news conference, sticking his nose in the NFL's business-where it doesn't belong, and saying “Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a **** off the field right now. Out! He’s fired. He’s fired!’ ” Isn't that disruptive? It's one thing if Joe Average says it, but the president of the United States saying it for the whole world to hear and see what a total moron he is? Now that is taking a knee worthy, since Trump clearly doesn't care what the issue is. Trump's indifference to the issue makes it look like he sees nothing wrong with police shooting unarmed black people.
 ja6425
Joined: 1/16/2018
Msg: 664
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/29/2018 4:26:19 PM
"Disruptive? Quietly and respectfully taking a knee is "disruptive". It seems only to be "disruptive" to those that are either racist, republican, patriots (new name for white supremacists) or bible thumpers....or any combination there of. IMHO. Those with an open mind and are humane think differently. Just sayin."

^^^^Now there is that liberal BS^^^^^^^ Calling someone who disagrees with them as being racist etc. What a crock!! Lots of times when people say those things you have to look closer and see if maybe those people that spout those lies are actually living in "those worlds"themselves, that they are the racists, bigots, white supremacists etc. I bet many of those "people" call blacks who disagree with their opinions as Uncle Toms. Typical liberal playbook!!

A boss who has rules for his business and someone wants to do things their own way, that player is the disruptive person in that business. Humane? Get real!! There are wrongs in this world and there are places and times to voice those wrongs. If you worked at a job and started being disrupting, you would be out the door. The owners have a right.

Democrats better start figuring out what they are for in the next election because right now no one knows what they are for. Minorities are starting to figure that out more and more every day.
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 665
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/29/2018 6:10:18 PM
Actually, the only "Uncle Tom" I've seen of late is that dude Paris Whathisname that is a Trumpanzee that goes on CNN every once in awhile. Other than him....nope, no else comes close to being an Uncle Tom.

Why are some so afraid of a black football player taking a knee to bring attention to the deaths of black in America? You feel a little guilty? You feel a little ashamed? You don't like the truth thrown at you? You have a twinge at times when you look at yourself in the mirror? BTW, some Lib football fans didn't get this knee thing either and mistakenly thought it was an insult to the flag....it had nothing to do with the flag, the anthem or veterans or those serving. But it was easier to make up shit than to look at the real reason for the knee.

Pence going to the game and leaving was a distraction and so friggin phony. It was pandering to the base. He didn't give a shyt about the football game - he went solely so he could get up and leave. It was as fake as the president is fake.



Democrats better start figuring out what they are for in the next election because right now no one knows what they are for. Minorities are starting to figure that out more and more every day.


I'm pretty sure you and a few on here have no idea what a minority wants, nor do you care. The faster the wall goes up, the better you'll like it.
 ja6425
Joined: 1/16/2018
Msg: 666
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/29/2018 6:16:31 PM
^^^^^^ You are delusional in your thinking. But hey, you have the right to an opinion, I am happy it isn't the correct one!

Like I say, sometimes when some people cry the loudest are the ones that are maybe guilty of what they say of others. Interesting.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 667
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/30/2018 5:55:06 AM
"why are some white folk afraid of a black player pointing out racism?"

>>>they like to think racists only burn crosses, so they aren't racist by ignoring a problem and thus contributing to it. What's that line about evil only needing good people to do nothing? Its easier just to say "they need to work harder" and crack open another PBR.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 668
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/30/2018 7:43:46 AM
You can bet it would be a totally different story if white players were taking a knee because of black policemen killing unarmed white men. Trump would demand immediate action, including throwing the killer cops in jail and serving long sentences, and maybe even demand the death penalty. The white players would get lots of sympathy. But when it's white cops killing unarmed black men, Trump's attitude is: "So? What's the problem?" and go into ignore mode.
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 669
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/30/2018 8:06:03 AM
^^^ Well, the Trumpanzee did that there were good people carrying tiki torches and chanting "Jews will not replace us". He also thought that sports figures that didn't want to visit at the White House should reconsider the "honour"....how exactly is it an honour when you have a racist, bigot, compulsive liar and a man who can't keep his penis out of other women while married? Its kind of like visiting Charlie Manson or some of that ilk. Sorry, I don't want to visit the garbage dump.

I love the - My Attorney Got Arrested
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 670
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/30/2018 11:23:54 AM
"he also thought the sports figures who didn't want to visit the White Again House should reconsider the "honor"

>>>but not inviting Democrats to a state dinner with the French leader, well, who cares right?

I will be polite to the GOP and give them this one--Michele Wolf's speech at the correspondance's dinner was painful to watch. a lot of jokes fell flat.
 NewYorker58
Joined: 6/11/2013
Msg: 671
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Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 4/30/2018 12:44:38 PM
Team work - putting the team before the individual. There's no "i" in team.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 672
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Posted: 4/30/2018 1:43:17 PM
The bigger picture is that it's not Trump's team (a business he owns). It is not a government agency, department, etc. that he has control over as leader of the country. It's something that, sure, he can have an opinion about - even possibly state that opinion when asked about it. Unfortunately, he insinuated himself into something where there was no "I" in team for him but he used it, in a totally erroneous manner, as he does many things, to rabble rouse in his pathetic attempts to continually create further divides in your country. He either understood the reason for the kneel in the first place and didn't like it because it was a black issue, or he's just that stupid that he couldn't understand the issue at all. Actually, when you think about it..is there any difference? Inserting himself into the issue was...stupid. But what can one expect from a man who would like to be a dictator. There are more than a couple of "i"s in imbecile and that seems to be a shoe that fits the man child extremely well.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 673
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Posted: 4/30/2018 2:21:38 PM
He knew it was something that would rile up his voters.
 daynadaze
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 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 675
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Posted: 4/30/2018 3:10:59 PM

Team work - putting the team before the individual. There's no "i" in team.


The players who knelt did it before the game started. Once the game started, it was all business and team work to win the game. Kneeling before the game had nothing to do with their game time performance and desire to win. Trump is actually responsible for the players kneeling, because he was ignoring the issue of police brutality against blacks and is still ignoring it. What better way to try to get attention to the issue than in front of an audience of millions, and hoping that will get Trump off his butt and do something useful for a change. Too bad it didn't work so far.

The players did not disrespect the flag or any other ridiculous claims. They did not burn or cut up the U.S. flag, and they did not interrupt the performance of the national anthem at games. Is there a law saying everybody must stand at attention whenever the national anthem is being played? If not, who invented the rule? The person who did the most disrupting is Trump, by sticking his nose where it doesn't belong and making a fool of himself in public, as usual.
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