Plentyoffish dating forums are a place to meet singles and get dating advice or share dating experiences etc. Hopefully you will all have fun meeting singles and try out this online dating thing... Remember that we are the largest free online dating service, so you will never have to pay a dime to meet your soulmate.
     
Show ALL Forums  > Off Topic  > Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem      Home login  
 AUTHOR
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
Joined: 4/27/2018
Msg: 701
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthemPage 29 of 45    (5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45)

The Nazis had mandatory oaths of allegiance and the suggestion we should now in the 21st Century is quite simply, entirely, and unequivocally unAmerican. The fact some folks here and millions across the country have a fundamental misunderstanding of what freedom is and wave the flag while trying to tear up the Consitution at the same time should disgust anyone that is not just an American in name only.

+1,00,000

Unless a person is 100% native American, they are IMO an immigrant.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
Joined: 3/27/2012
Msg: 702
view profile
History
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/16/2018 10:45:44 AM
Heck, almost everyone is an immigrant. Even "native americans".
 ghostata
Joined: 3/29/2018
Msg: 703
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/16/2018 11:02:51 AM
^^^^^everybody but Dee .
Lol
 SS4544Spd
Joined: 8/31/2016
Msg: 704
view profile
History
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/16/2018 2:24:31 PM
Sandbyday wrote:
It's not an embarrassment in the least to America Kaperdick is unemployed. On the contrary is a testament to what a miscalculation he made. Refusing $80 million because he thought he was a bigshot. You do know that he wasn't even the starter for the 49er's for two years before he was offered the 80 don't you? That's how much he sucked and that was beginning four years ago when he lost his starting position, then refused 80
Million
Dollars!!! .
Sure it's the NFL owners' right to blackball Kaep. Which IS what they're doing. But considering most NFL owners are hyprocrites to the extreme in requiring "big government" taxpayer money to build their stadiums, they shouldn't be heroes to the right either. And who really cares about Kaep blowing the $80 mil, that should make him even more of a hero to those who support him. So there's an $80 million price tag on bringing this issue to national attention. Steep stuff. BUT he didn't "take the money and run," like so many do.

NY58 wrote:
I don't understand what people don't get about protesting at one's job, when it has nothing to do with your job. It's laughable.


John wrote:
Do your protesting on your own time, not on your bosses time!!


So do you feel the same way about Kim Davis' protest a few years back, when she protested gay marriage by withholding giving out marriage licenses - her official job at the time. She was protesting on her boss's time. She was protesting on the job. Was it laughable then? Nope, she was a hero to the right.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 705
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/16/2018 4:03:46 PM
Good point! oh, and now we know who paid for Pence to walk out of a game:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-paid-for-colts-tickets-to-game-pence-abruptly-left-disclosure-report-spills-beans/ar-AAxnnbY?ocid=spartandhp

meanwhile, Little Johnny (b/c he loves Chump naming people) has a new reason to cry--he can't blame the Chump Russia investigation on HRC or the Democrats, it wasn't their report after all that got the ball rolling, as the Republicans wish to believe. Yikes!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-secret-mission-a-code-name-and-anxiety-inside-the-early-days-of-the-fbi’s-trump-investigation/ar-AAxnqut?ocid=spartandhp
 NewYorker58
Joined: 6/11/2013
Msg: 706
view profile
History
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/23/2018 5:23:20 PM
I guess Krapernick did effect a positive change. Stand up or sit in the lockeroom. Other countries are not perfect, but their citizens still show patriotism: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/sports/nfl-anthem-kneeling.html


Seeking to end a political controversy that has embarrassed professional football, the N.F.L.’s team owners on Wednesday held that players could no longer kneel during the national anthem without leaving themselves open to punishment or their teams facing possible financial penalties.

But the league also said the new policy would not force athletes to stand on the sideline during the anthem; it would give them the option of staying in the locker room during the pregame ceremony. Almost immediately after passage, questions arose about how it would be enforced.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
Joined: 3/27/2012
Msg: 707
view profile
History
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 3:16:05 AM
What a trip. A 15 yard penalty for not standing during the anthem. This should be interesting.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 708
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 3:52:01 AM
"What a trip. A 15 yard penalty for not standing during the anthem. This should be interesting."

What happens when players from both teams take a knee?

A simple solution to the problem is not play the national anthem at games. What is the purpose of playing the anthem at a sporting event? Sports is part of the entertainment industry Are people going to demand playing the national anthem before a chess match, or at the movie theater before a movie starts? I can see it in international competitions like the Olympics, but otherwise, I don't see any point to it.
 Viper1j
Joined: 2/6/2015
Msg: 709
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 5:04:09 AM
And then, there are the heroes, the REAL Americans that actually believe in the First Amendment.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777559-jets-owner-christopher-johnson-says-he-will-pay-players-anthem-related-fines

Jets Owner Christopher Johnson Says He Will Pay Players' Anthem-Related Fines

New York Jets co-owner Christopher Johnson will pay any fines his players might be subjected to as part of the NFL's new national anthem policy.

Per Newsday's Bob Glauber, Johnson addressed the situation Wednesday:

"I do not like imposing any club-specific rules. If somebody [on the Jets] takes a knee, that fine will be borne by the organization, by me, not the players. I never want to put restrictions on the speech of our players. Do I prefer that they stand? Of course. But I understand if they felt the need to protest. There are some big, complicated issues that we're all struggling with, and our players are on the front lines. I don't want to come down on them like a ton of bricks, and I won't. There will be no club fines or suspensions or any sort of repercussions. If the team gets fined, that’s just something I'll have to bear."

Per NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, under the new policy, NFL personnel may stay in the locker room if they don't want to stand for the national anthem. Teams could be subjected to fines if players or staff don't stand during the anthem while on the field.

The policy also states teams can develop their own rules regarding personnel who choose not to stand during the anthem, as long as it is in conjunction with the new league-wide policies.

According to Rapoport, NFL owners passed the new policy unanimously. However, San Francisco 49ers owner Jed York said he abstained from the vote, per Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times.

Johnson previously spoke out against a rule change forcing players to stand during the national anthem.

"I can't speak to how other people run their teams, but I just think that trying to forcibly get the players to shut up is a fantastically bad idea," he told reporters in March.

Woody Johnson, Christopher's brother and Jets co-owner, is the United States ambassador to the United Kingdom for President Donald Trump.

Trump has spoken out against NFL player protests during the national anthem. He said owners should fire anyone who kneels during the anthem at a rally in Alabama last September.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 710
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 6:38:30 AM
Players wouldn't feel a need to kneel if the government was to do its job by charging the police who decide to shoot and kill unarmed people. Especially the more crazy ones who decide to shoot somebody 10 or 15 times. When asked why they shot somebody so many times, they usually reply with "He posed a threat". How is someone who is shot once or a few times still a threat? Do they rise from the dead like Jesus? Can't they tazer someone instead?

But the second part of the problem is getting Trump on board with the problem of unnecessary killings by police-and Trump has made it clear he doesn't care about it. It's not his problem. Instead of acknowledging that there is a problem, he wants to punish people who try to address the problem. Even if a cop was ever charged with murder, Trump would probably pardon him. Trump doesn't see a problem with killing black people, but has a problem with people who oppose it. He should officially change his title to Dictator in Chief.
 ja6425
Joined: 1/16/2018
Msg: 711
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 7:02:01 AM
Funny how the liberals still don't get it^^^^^^^^^
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 712
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 7:56:44 AM
Let's see how many stay in the locker room while the anthem is being played. The door has been left open for those who wish to protest to protest in this manner. They'll be just as visible coming out after the anthem as they would be by taking a knee. In other words, nothing has been "won" except the freedom to express the same thing in a different manner at the same venue.
 Whisky_River
Joined: 10/14/2017
Msg: 713
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 7:59:59 AM
Speaking of another "WIN" for Trump...
North Korea meet is now cancelled.....who's surprised!!
So much for the Peace Prize..
 NewYorker58
Joined: 6/11/2013
Msg: 714
view profile
History
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 8:10:58 AM
I don't know why everyone doesn't get that no one can protest at their job for something unrelated to their job. Mind you, not all of the black players want to protest.

Giving in to the black players would send a poor message to all kids, but especially black kids. The wrong message being, cause problems at your job, it's okay. If kids want to emulate this at their job, it won't end well for them.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 715
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 8:28:54 AM

I don't know why everyone doesn't get that no one can protest at their job for something unrelated to their job.

Apparently they CAN protest at their job if their employer affords them that opportunity, which is still being provided in this case. It's no different than kids walking out of their classrooms to protest against the gun laws/school shootings. Many were afforded that opportunity by their schools (the kids' governing body which is a parallel to the NFL being a governing body), others were instituting penalties for those who walked out. Interestingly, of those walking out, the majority were not black - so it kinda blows that racist comment of "especially black kids" all to hell. Also interesting is that, in both cases, what is being protested is violence in your country - the perpetrators just differ but the lack of meaningful change to the problem is the cause for the protests in both instances.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 716
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 10:23:28 AM

Giving in to the black players would send a poor message to all kids, but especially black kids.


What's the poor message-that the killing of unarmed black people by the police is suppose to be acceptable because Trump and the government see nothing wrong with that? Should black kids be warned that they could end up being used for target practice by the police when they get older? You can bet, that if white people were targeted and executed as much as the blacks are targeted, it would be a whole different story-especially if they're being targeted by black or brown skinned people.
 Whisky_River
Joined: 10/14/2017
Msg: 717
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 10:52:54 AM
IMO....It didn't become a "political matter" until Trump stuck his nose in it.
It was seriously, none of his business. The owners can handle it how they want.
Trumps a racist...if it had been a white guy that kneeled first...he wouldn't have said a thing.
Proven by his now..."Deport them rhetoric"...he assumes they are all not born in America.
What a doofus...!
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 718
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 10:57:56 AM

What's the poor message-that the killing of unarmed black people by the police is suppose to be acceptable because Trump and the government see nothing wrong with that? Should black kids be warned that they could end up being used for target practice by the police when they get older? You can bet, that if white people were targeted and executed as much as the blacks are targeted, it would be a whole different story-especially if they're being targeted by black or brown skinned people.


Exactly. Mind you, Trump doesn't mind using any kids as target practice while he bends over for the NRA.

Nice way of using the 1st Amendment to squash those using the 1st Amendment.


IMO....It didn't become a "political matter" until Trump stuck his nose in it.


True. Its odd how Trump doesn't seem to think he disrespected the country when he evaded the draft 5 times.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 719
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 12:25:21 PM

Giving in to the black players would send a poor message to all kids, but especially black kids.

Trump says you "should stand proudly".
But what sort of "message" does it send to the "kids" to be selling access to the prez for money?
Qatar, Russia, Indonesia, China, the Ukraine, -the list is growing.
What sort of message does it send to have a president who is corrupt, and has been doing business with dodgy Russian billionaires for years, to aid them to launder/hide their ill-gotten gains?
What sort of message does it send to have chosen a lawyer like Cohen, for ten years?
What sort of message does it send to be fvcking porn stars and prostitutes?
-Or being spanked and/or pissed on?
What sort of message does it send to be cheating on three wives, and boasting about assaulting women whenever he wants?
What sort of message does it send when the "First Lady" has done "soft-porn, and had her minge photographed?
What sort of role model is the whole (/hole?) family?

Your "top man" of the whole country is a corrupt liar and a cheat.
-That's not opinion, that's fact!
I think it's a bit too late to be worrying about what sort of message that sends to "kids".

I'll bet that it turns out that Kim blew him off, but true to form, he's claiming "no, I finished with her!"
Your prez is a laughing stock, and so are his followers, and apologists and enablers.

Coming next, in "Soviet America": secret police, locking people up for dissent.
Trump's not just colluding with Russia, he's trying to turn the USA into a kleptocratic, dictatorial state, just like his hero.
Deals and rewards for the "loyal", and higher postal charges and deportation for the dissenters and critics.

I think he's maniacally starting fires, because he knows they're closing in on him.
I hope he gets impeached before he starts a war.

Shame about all those commemorative coins though, -I hope he didn't get too many 'struck'.
-And is it just me, or is his hair becoming more ethereal by the day?

I'm hoping that the diet of cheeseburgers and finasteride (sp?) works its magic soon.
(It gives you ED apparently. Women everywhere must be grateful for that. )
 Viper1j
Joined: 2/6/2015
Msg: 720
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 12:39:19 PM

Funny how the liberals still don't get it


Funny how the Nazis still love it.
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 721
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 1:08:43 PM
^^^ True, AJ and the deplorables and those that see good on "both" sides have no issue with it. I didn't know that AJ and the white supremacists and neo-nazis in his group "still don't get it".

I wonder if AJ was a neo-nazi or white supremacist when he voted for Obama...twice.

1st Amendment squashed. I'm sure there will be appeals or people will just do as they wish anyway. Its not a jailable offense to kneel during the anthem.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 722
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 1:46:59 PM

I wonder if AJ was a neo-nazi or white supremacist when he voted for Obama...twice.

Personally, I've wondered if AJ simply "says" he's voted for whoever wins each and every time, no matter how he actually votes...and then he defends whoever wins, as though he's "in the know" when he really isn't. He's too much of a conspiracy theorist follower/parrot for me to believe he knows too much of anything.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 723
view profile
History
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 2:52:05 PM
It's like saying you have a black, or gay, or Muslim, etc., friend to prove that you are not a racist/bigot or some such. Some who cheerlead for Trump have also kind of / sort of said they might not have voted for Trump. Do you believe any of it?
 ja6425
Joined: 1/16/2018
Msg: 724
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 5:04:34 PM
I love it when someone doesn't agree with a radical liberal like 47seagulls that they use the race card, the kkk card , any card that is demeaning. Many times a person like 47 who spouts those things are actually the true meaning of a racist.
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 725
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/24/2018 9:30:30 PM
Well, I've never been called a "radical" liberal before. I'm thinking that being a radical liberal is still better than being an ordinary conservative. It seems that the KKK, neo-nazis, white supremacists groups, etc. all identify as "conservative". So I'll accept "radical liberal" cause its still far and above better than those I mentioned. Have at it AJ, you fit right in.
Show ALL Forums  > Off Topic  > Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem