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 NewYorker58
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SS4544, I missed your comment about Kim Davis. She was hired to do a job. Her personal beliefs can't be expressed there.
 Viper1j
Joined: 2/6/2015
Msg: 727
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Posted: 5/25/2018 9:43:21 AM

I don't know why everyone doesn't get that no one can protest at their job for something unrelated to their job.


Since you said that, I'll just assume that you take the time to peel off all the bumper stickers on your car prior to pulling into the company lot.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 728
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Posted: 5/25/2018 9:59:18 AM
"So much for the Peace Prize."

>>>aw well, he's getting the "copped a piece" prize. so, far its only a slap on the wrist from the wife, but...he may get the booby prize sometime soon.

>>>if it had been a white guy who kneeled first"

>>>wasn't there a Tim Tebow who would kneel in prayer in the end zone? Did conservatives ever have a complaint that was disrupting their enjoyment?

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/editorials/article177510076.html

Does he still play football? b/c Sandbyday had nothing to say about how good a player he is...

as for black players being a role model for kids by saying, "Screw the millions, we have a stand to take"....that's not a bad role model. One shouldn't arbitrarily raise hell at work, but there is something to be said for civil disobedience....
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 729
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Posted: 5/25/2018 10:19:20 AM

Since you said that, I'll just assume that you take the time to peel off all the bumper stickers on your car prior to pulling into the company lot.


Speaking of that, I wonder if any companies had a policy regarding wearing a MAGA cap to work during the election. I imagine it wouldn't be a problem in a highly religious area with religious bosses-or having an anti-abortion or religious bumper sticker. But on the same token, they would have to also allow people to have pro-Hillary and pro-choice signs and clothing. Otherwise, they might end up in a law suit over First Amendment rights. Or more likely, tell people to leave their political and religious views at home.
 Viper1j
Joined: 2/6/2015
Msg: 730
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Posted: 5/25/2018 10:51:38 AM
Funny you should wonder... ;)
https://nypost.com/2018/04/25/judge-bars-are-allowed-to-throw-out-trump-supporters/

Judge: Bars are allowed to throw out Trump supporters

A Manhattan judge ruled Wednesday that there’s nothing “outrageous” about throwing the president’s supporters out of bars — because the law doesn’t protect against political discrimination. Philadelphia accountant Greg Piatek, 31, was bounced from a West Village watering hole in January 2017, just after Trump took the oath of office, for wearing a “Make America Great Again” cap, according to his lawsuit over the incident.

“Anyone who supports Trump — or believes in what you believe — is not welcome here! And you need to leave right now because we won’t serve you!” Piatek claims the staff of The Happiest Hour on West 10th Street told him after he and his pals complained about the rude service they were getting from a bartender. So he sued in Manhattan Supreme Court, claiming the incident “offended his sense of being American.”

But on Wednesday, when the bar’s lawyer, Elizabeth Conway, pointed out that only religious, and not political, beliefs are protected under state and city discrimination laws, saying, “supporting Trump is not a religion” — Piatek pivoted. “The purpose of the hat is that he wore it because he was visiting the 9/11 Memorial,” his attorney Paul Liggieri told Justice David Cohen in court Wednesday. "He was paying spiritual tribute to the victims of 9/11. The Make American Great Again hat was part of his spiritual belief,” Liggieri claimed. Piatek and his pals had, in fact, visited the memorial before the bar.

“Rather than remove his hat, instead he held true to his spiritual belief and was forced from the bar,” Liggieri said.
When the judge asked how the bar employees were supposed to be aware of Piatek’s unusual religious beliefs, Liggieri answered, “They were aware he was wearing the hat.” The judge pressed Liggieri on the idea of his client’s professed creed. “How many members are in this spiritual program that your client is engaged in?” the judge asked.

“Your honor, we don’t allege the amount of individuals,” Liggieri said.
“So, it’s a creed of one?” the judge asked.
“Yes, your honor,” Liggieri replied.

After nearly an hour of argument the judge took a short break and then returned to the bench with his ruling.
“Plaintiff does not state any faith-based principle to which the hat relates,” Cohen said in tossing the case. Piatek had sued for unspecified emotional damages, but the judge said the incident amounted to nothing more than a “petty” slight.
“Here the claim that plaintiff was not served and eventually escorted out of the bar because of his perceived support for President Trump is not outrageous conduct,” the judge ruled. Liggieri said he plans to review the decision to determine whether or not to appeal.

The Rules: Is it OK to wear a #MeToo pin or MAGA hat to work?

https://moneyish.com/upgrade/the-rules-is-it-ok-to-wear-a-metoo-pin-or-maga-hat-to-work/

Beware of wearing your partisanship on your sleeve.

While these politically-charged times have spurred many people to action, such as supporting movements like Me Too, marching against gun violence or coming out for or against the Trump administration, you should think twice before being woke at work.

“I have been really, really tempted to wear a t-shirt in support of all the marches and walkouts against gun violence, but I live in a gun-friendly state, and I know that would upset a lot of people,” Stripe Demarest, 48, who works for a New Hampshire medical school, told Moneyish. “There are so many people who will immediately jump to a conclusion about you based on what you believe, and I don’t need that assumption being made about me by someone that I want to collaborate with.”

But Brooklyn event design and production company Tinsel Experiential Design (which has a core team of 10, mostly female) fully supports political expression. “We have a shared drawer of stickers that team members have placed on boxes, crates, notebooks. The most popular ones read: ‘Love Trumps Hate,’ ‘Trust Women,’ and — unapologetically — ‘F–k Trump,’” partner and chief marketing officer Erica Taylor Haskins told Moneyish. “I can’t imagine working in an environment where I either felt compelled to keep my politics quiet, or — perhaps worse — had to defend my beliefs against a majority with a totally different value system.”

Emily Jones, an operations manager for the Colorado-based ONNO t-shirt company, told Moneyish she also works in a small office of progressively-minded people, so she feels free to wear what she wants — with some exceptions.

“As a personal rule, I won’t wear anything mocking or threatening, or with strong language. For example, today I am wearing my ‘Cats Against Catcalls’ t-shirt, but I probably won’t be wearing my ‘This **** Grabs Back’ pin to work,” Jones, 35, told Moneyish. “And in a larger office with a more mixed crowd, I definitely would tone it down.”

You could offend your colleagues – or even lose your job. The American Bar Association warns that your First Amendment right to free speech only protects you from state or government action — not a private employer. So unless you’re working at a government-run agency (which most of us are not; the private sector employs about 85% of the U.S. labor force) you can indeed be canned at your employer’s discretion for getting on the soap box, especially if you are seen as making coworkers or clients offended or uncomfortable.

More at link above..
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 5/25/2018 12:41:30 PM
No way would I put bumper stickers on my car!

That bar is in the "gay" west village, where there are going to be democrats that say they want to be heard and respected, but naturally, they're not going to do the same. Classic democrat behavior.
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 5/26/2018 7:49:10 PM
NY58:
SS4544, I missed your comment about Kim Davis. She was hired to do a job. Her personal beliefs can't be expressed there.
Glad you agree. But most conservatives who hailed Davis as a hero are the same conservatives bashing Kaepernick.

The fact is, the NFL, and their rich old, tax scamming white male owners, are scared sh*tless, because they probably suspect a decent percentage of their fans aren't really that big of fans of black people. This is a huge disconnect in sports. I know people who will use the "n" word, yet have a poster of Micheal Jordan in their office.

And these owners are scared sh*tless because they know the players have HUGE leverage, should they choose to use it. I think they should use it, personally. But most don't have the guts to turn down $$millions of dollars and adulation to follow a conviction. I will admit I'm not sure I would. That's what makes what Kaepernick is doing so remarkable.

Actually, I'm hoping this new rule blows up in the NFL's face.

Personally, I'm tired of getting military "rah-rah" rammed down my throat if I want to watch a game. That isn't political?
 drinkthesunwithmyface
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Posted: 5/27/2018 2:24:00 AM
I've thought of a few things to say on this topic, but haven't. Don't even know everything that's been said in here. I'm not sure if I'm on either side of the fence here.

However: I can't see how performing a certain gesture during a ritual of patriotism has anything to do with the job of driving a race car or running around with a football helmet on. I can't see how it can be a job-requirement. I can't see how you can require doing that as part of the job. Almost seems illegal in some way. It's my prerogative how I am or am not patriotic. In a job interview for accountant or bricklayer or vocalist, if I were told that it'd be part of my job to stand and hold my hand in a certain way during a singing of the National Anthem on a regular basis...I'd tell them to kiss my ass.

Likewise...I'm glad that I don't have to watch this ceremony at the beginning of every t.v. show: Wheel Of Fortune, gotta do the national anthem first. Survivor, gotta do the national anthem first. Ask This Old House, gotta do the national anthem first. Do they do that shit for golfing? Bowling? I don't even know. Hope to god they don't.
 Viper1j
Joined: 2/6/2015
Msg: 734
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Posted: 5/27/2018 4:47:14 AM

However: I can't see how performing a certain gesture during a ritual of patriotism has anything to do with the job of driving a race car or running around with a football helmet on. I can't see how it can be a job-requirement. I can't see how you can require doing that as part of the job. Almost seems illegal in some way. It's my prerogative how I am or am not patriotic. In a job interview for accountant or bricklayer or vocalist, if I were told that it'd be part of my job to stand and hold my hand in a certain way during a singing of the National Anthem on a regular basis...


You mean like this?

[img]https://www.ushmm.org/propaganda/assets/images/500x/photo-hitler-olympics.jpg[/img]

Donnie says people should stand "proudly".

I wonder if we'll be seeing any guys standing around with hands in pockets, chatting it up with the guy standing next to them?
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 735
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Posted: 5/27/2018 9:33:21 AM

Donnie says people should stand "proudly".

I wonder if we'll be seeing any guys standing around with hands in pockets, chatting it up with the guy standing next to them?


Too bad Donnie can't stand proudly against the NRA.
Too bad Donnie can't stand proudly for students being slaughtered in their schools.
Too bad Donnie couldn't have spent the same amount of time on students being slaughtered in their schools as he has on football players quietly taking a knee.....or payments to porn stars.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 736
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Posted: 5/27/2018 10:58:22 AM
Too bad Trump won't confront people who are impacted by gun violence, like having a meeting with the slain children's parents or meeting with the black community or talking to the family when a black person is killed by the police.

When there's a school shooting, Trump will publicly make a statement offering his condolences. But he has never done the same when an unarmed black person is gunned down by the police. Trump acts like it never happened. The only time Trump takes notice of the black community is when football players take a knee to protest the killings, and it's not to offer his condolences. Trump considers the blacks protesting the bad guys. So much for Trumps campaign statement "What have you got to lose?" aimed to get the black and Latino vote.

"Too bad Donnie can't stand proudly against the NRA."

And take the chance on losing out on the millions in payola that the NRA hands out to pro-gun/anti-restrictions politicians? They know Trump can be easily bought out, because he has a history of being bought out. The smell of money is more important than the lives of children or black people. Trump will support any cause that has a payout for him.
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
Joined: 4/27/2018
Msg: 737
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Posted: 5/27/2018 11:42:44 AM
There's no air conditioning in HELL...
 APRILIKESWHITEROSES
Joined: 4/6/2018
Msg: 738
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Posted: 5/27/2018 9:20:57 PM
Wonderful news.!!

Poll:
NFL fans overwhelmingly support league's national anthem policy, When asked if they support or oppose the new policy, which states teams will be fined if players “do not stand and show respect for the Flag and the National Anthem,” 53 percent NFL viewers said they do support the Policy.!!

White: 52% support
Black: 29% support
Hispanic: 49% support

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They are paid to play not paid to protest...If they choose to protest, then they will be sent to kneel to the unemployment line.!!:)


vvvvvvvvvvvv

The veterans fought to defend the freedom these players have standing upright.never on their knees

 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 739
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Posted: 5/27/2018 9:27:49 PM
Wow, 53%. That's a YUGE majority ..... Nope, its not. Its barely over half that were polled. And how many were polled? 100? 1,000? 1 million? You don't know.

And for you slow minded folks, kneeling WAS respectful.

One football team has already said it will not do anything to their players if they choose to kneel. That's how democracy works. If you want a dictatorship - keep supporting Trump and his Russian team that got him elected. And maybe tell that POS Trump to spend a little more time on dead school children than black athletes who kneel in protest of their fellow African American "brothers" being shot..dead.
 PieAlaMojo
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Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/27/2018 10:00:28 PM
I just might be one of those slow minded folk. ha ha
I personally find it very disrespectful. I get the whole freedom of speech thing, but it just doesn't sit right with me.
It seems there could have been a better way to get their concerns heard.

If any of my friends failed to stand, they would get a nudge from me to do so. If they still failed, they would get smacked and there ass reamed afterward. And I would expect they would do the same to me. And I would deserve it. I guess that's just how we were all raised.

This will all go away soon enough, just as all of the flag burning did years ago.
People will get tired of it and move on, or another cause will take the spot light away.

April
That 53% seems to be quite underwhelming to me.
I could swear I heard higher numbers, but a poll is a poll is a poll.
They don't hold much weight with me. They're too easily manipulated and pretty meaningless.
 APRILIKESWHITEROSES
Joined: 4/6/2018
Msg: 741
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Posted: 5/27/2018 10:38:25 PM
^^

I just might be one of those slow minded folk. ha ha I personally find it very disrespectful. I get the whole freedom of speech thing, but it just doesn't sit right with me. It seems there could have been a better way to get their concerns heard


+100
I do Agree, very disrespectful.!!



Protect your head because the Liberals are going to throw stones at you if you disagree with their twisted way of looking at things.. Just look at what the poster above says...: "slow minded folks, kneeling WAS respectful." .
 Llove2LaughToo
Joined: 4/14/2018
Msg: 742
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Posted: 5/27/2018 10:53:00 PM
8 million Jehova's Witnesses don't salute the flag. 200,000 Amish don't stand for the national anthem. One black man kneels respectfully and all hell breaks loose.

#VoteRepublicansOut2018


Sen. Tammy Duckworth expresses support for protesters in wake of new NFL National Anthem policy

Sen. Tammy Duckworth called on her service as a veteran to express her support for National Anthem protesters in the wake of the NFL's new policy mandating players on the field stand for the song.

"One day, our nation's flag will drape my coffin, just as it did my dad's and will my husband's and brother's," the Illinois Democrat posted on Twitter and Facebook Friday, along with a photo of her prosthetic legs.

"I will always stand on these legs for the flag and anthem, but it was ALSO my honor to defend people's right to free speech—including those who choose to #TakeAKnee to express outrage at the glaring disparity in how Americans of different races are treated," she wrote.

Duckworth was serving in the US Army in Iraq in 2004 when her Black Hawk helicopter was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade. The attack resulted in the loss of both of her legs. She was awarded the Purple Heart for her injuries.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/26/politics/tammy-duckworth-nfl-national-anthem-policy/index.html
 APRILIKESWHITEROSES
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Posted: 5/27/2018 11:09:18 PM
^^^^
Great, but he should invite all the NFL players to protest at His house 27 / 7 IF he wants to show them his support ...and also he should tell them that they are allowed to that freedom because the veterans fought for that right, many died for them to have the right to that freedom.
 PieAlaMojo
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Posted: 5/27/2018 11:17:25 PM
Love2Laugh
You may have stated it before, but I'm feeling too lazy at the moment to look.
Before Kap began his protest, did you stand for the National Anthem? Do you now?

April
I'm not too concerned. It was only an opinion. If others have a different opinion, so be it.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 745
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Posted: 5/28/2018 5:19:50 AM
What's more disrespectful: NFL players taking a knee before a game, or Trump sticking his nose where it doesn't belong, and telling NFL owners how to run their business and how to discipline employees? Why doesn't Trump to go a thousand other companies and tell the company owners how to discipline employees?

Trump certainly doesn't have a good track record when it comes to employee relations. Just look at the revolving door policy in the White House, where almost every week is: "Welcome out newest employee, who is replacing (insert name) who I fired/who quit (out of frustration) last week." If I was a company owner, I certainly wouldn't want Trump sticking his nose in my business and telling me what to do.
 Viper1j
Joined: 2/6/2015
Msg: 746
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Posted: 5/28/2018 5:51:11 AM

I just might be one of those slow minded folk. ha ha
I personally find it very disrespectful. I get the whole freedom of speech thing, but it just doesn't sit right with me.
It seems there could have been a better way to get their concerns heard.


Yes, you are.

As a Former Marine Aviator, who also happens to be black, I'm a hell of a lot more offended when I get pulled over by a white cop asking me "where have I been?" Or "how I can afford my car?"

Maybe a few people here need to check their privilege.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 747
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Posted: 5/28/2018 5:51:27 AM
"it seems there could have been a better way to get their concerns heard"

>>>and they've tried other venues, but no one "heard". Maybe they could return to BlackLivesMatter, a lot of white folks loved that one. Or they could kneel in the end zone like Tim Tebow, I don't remember a president saying anything about that. But now they got attention to their subject, didn't they? To quote a Republican president, Mission Accomplished.

"this will all go away soon enough, just like flag burning, people will tire of it, or we'll focus on the next thing a Kardashian did"

>>>which brings us back to, "why are they doing something that really catches our attention?" Apparently we make it necessary.

If we wish to talk about disrespecting our armed forces, how about kicking them out for their sexual preferences or their status?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kneeling-dishonors-veterans-what-about-deporting-them
 PieAlaMojo
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Posted: 5/28/2018 6:19:45 AM
GTO
I see you're using your standard misquoting strategy again. You're so clever with that.

I'm pretty sure almost everyone already knew there was a problem with police abuse/misconduct against black folks.
Do you think this latest style of protest has done much to actually solve the problem?

I'm not sure where you are going with the sexual preference thing, but it seems to be a bit off topic.
And I don't follow links for anyone.

Do you stand for the National Anthem?
 Viper1j
Joined: 2/6/2015
Msg: 749
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Posted: 5/28/2018 6:26:00 AM
Maybe they "knew" that but didn't acknowledge it, until their faces were rubbed into it. Kind of like a new puppy that has an accident. Most people don't give two farts in a hurricane, until it affects them on some personal level.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 750
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Posted: 5/28/2018 6:49:52 AM
"I see you're using your standard misquoting strategy again. You're so clever with that."

>>>oh, i'm clever with a lot of things :) Yes, I do take people's paragraphs of dog whistles and stumbling around a subject to quote exactly what they're really trying to say. Its not just the brevity, I like to point out reality, and I try to avoid taking up too much bandwidth. but sometimes people aren't on the same page as I, so then I respond with a longer post explaining, and most of the time...I get no more responses, which means they get what I was saying and have no facts to dispute what I said.

"I'm pretty sure almost everyone already knew there was a problem with police abuse/misconduct against black folks."

>>>like Viper said, we did everything to pretend we didn't know it was going on, or tried to claim it was rare. And then cellphone videos came out, and white folk were like, "wow, we didn't know it happened THIS often!" and black parents would explain the "talk" they had with adult black sons, and white folk said, "wow, we never saw that on the Cosby sh0w, we didn't know that either!"

"Do you think this latest style of protest has done much to actually solve the problem?"

>>the first step in solving a problem is admitting there is a problem, and boy...we're at least discussing that it isn't just one or two Rodney Kings every decade. Do I think America is going to solve its racism problem anytime soon? well, before Dutch traders played travel agent to African POWs, we didn't treat the natives with kid gloves. It took us this long to get here, it will take as many lifetimes to get around it...depending upon when we start.

"And I don't follow links for anyone."

>>no problem, those who wish to be educated, will. Everyone gets a choice :) The sexual pref thing has to do with soldiers who want to serve our country, but we don't let 'em b/c we think their sexual preference somehow has to do with how well they'll kill the enemy. If you can't do your job in the military, yes, you get kicked out. But we're finally realizing what's between your legs or what lust you have in your heart doesn't keep you from performing your job of keeping our nation safe. At least if a Democrat is in the White House. (See, here's a link showing i'm not making things up when I accuse)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-transgender-military-ban-gop-silent-democrats-and-lgbt-groups-outraged/

"Do you stand for the National Anthem?"

>>>even take off the hat I wear in the sun for my bald head, and put it over my heart. But I go to a lot of car shows during the summer, lots of conservatives and vets there, and 25% of the people I see there, don't when the NA is broadcast at most shows.

"The tradition of putting the hand over the heart came into being as a modification of Congress's first enactment of the code in June 1942. That law suggested using the Bellamy salute, in which people saluted the flag with their arms straight out and palms up. However, the salutes used by the Nazis and Fascists resembled the Bellamy salute, so Congress made the change."

https://www.reference.com/world-view/place-hand-over-heart-during-singing-national-anthem-f144454ff9cdf5fb
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