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 Llove2LaughToo
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Msg: 751
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Msg: 744
Love2Laugh
You may have stated it before, but I'm feeling too lazy at the moment to look.
Before Kap began his protest, did you stand for the National Anthem? Do you now?


Are you questioning my patriotism and the time I served my country simply because I don't agree with you?

And talking about disrespecting our military, maybe people need to question Cadet Bone Spurs. What do you call a draft dodger who avoided the Vietnam draft five-times? Donny the Draft Dodger, a guy who calls avoiding std's his "personal Vietnam".

Cadet Bone Spurs disrespected our country when he called generals and veterans "losers", and when he said McCain is not a war hero because he was captured. He likes people "who weren't captured". Donny Draft Dodger is playing plantation politics.

Are you also going to question Sen. Tammy Duckworth patriotism because she doesn't agree with you? Are you aware she lost both legs serving in the US Army in Iraq? Did you even read Sen. Tammy Duckworth comment about the kneeling debacle?


"I will always stand on these legs for the flag and anthem, but it was ALSO my honor to defend people's right to free speech—including those who choose to #TakeAKnee to express outrage at the glaring disparity in how Americans of different races are treated," she wrote.


This is part of a comment I wrote back in Msg: 131


Army Special Forces veteran Nate Boyer has said that his conversations with Kaepernick influenced the former NFL player to kneel, rather than sit, during the anthem.

We sorta came to a middle ground where he would take a knee alongside his teammate. Soldiers take a knee in front of a fallen brother’s grave, you know, to show respect. When we’re on a patrol, you know, and we go into a security halt, we take a knee, and we pull security.

After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former NFL player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, the next day during the anthem as a peaceful protest. We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy.


#VoteRepublicansOut2018
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 752
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 8:06:12 AM

Great, but he should invite all the NFL players to protest at His house 27 / 7 IF he wants to show them his support ...and also he should tell them that they are allowed to that freedom because the veterans fought for that right, many died for them to have the right to that freedom.


Yet your POS SCOTUS evaded the draft not once but 5 times. And insults POW's and Gold Star families. Who the fck is he to dictate respect for the country, the flag and the national anthem. While he's off busy riding porn stars bareback while his 3rd wife is nursing their child....who the fck is he to dictate "respect"?

You follow a fake person....he's not even a "man". SCROTUS is so fitting.
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 753
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 8:16:20 AM

I'm pretty sure almost everyone already knew there was a problem with police abuse/misconduct against black folks.
Do you think this latest style of protest has done much to actually solve the problem?


Sir Piealamode - I'd like to take a stab at this one.

I think many knew that there was a problem with police abuse/misconduct against black folks. Just as many ignored it and continue to ignore it. People ignore issues that don't involve them so if you're caucasian or Asian American or Indo American or pick any group other than than African Americans - you pretty much ignore this issue.

Now Kaepernik taking a knee was a silent protest and it didn't really go anywhere, it was slow to...."grow" isn't even the right word. A few other guys took a knee to, a dozen or so, nothing YUGE. And then SCROTUS needed something to deflect from the latest Playboy Bunny or the Russians getting him elected or a porn star or pick a name of a world leader he was insulting at the time (he's insulted them all)...anyway, Kaepernik was easy pickins. When that POS SCROTUS called them out as "sons of ****es"....players everywhere (and their mothers) went nuts. And them BAM.

SCOTUS did this. This POS who evaded the draft not once but 5 times and disrespected a POW, Gold Star families, the disabled, women, every colour of the rainbow in cultures/ethnicities, cheated on all 3 wives.....he made into something. He did that.

When that POS SCROTUS walks out of the White House - the entire fcking world should take a knee.

JMHO
 NewYorker58
Joined: 6/11/2013
Msg: 754
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Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 9:05:20 AM
This is one example of why I say foreigners are out of the loop, and should stick to their owned messed up country's problems. Kneeling was an issue before Trump said anything. This has nothing to do with Trump anyway.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 755
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 9:19:48 AM
America struggles with "racism", because, like South Africa, Australia, Britain and all its former "colonies", (sometimes referred to as "the anglosphere") "racism" was a basic foundation of how they treated people, and it's only relatively recently (my lifetime) that these longstanding "conventions" have been declared no longer acceptable.
-There are still many people who don't like that change.

People with darker skins are still discriminated against, but new laws mean that it has to be done surreptitiously.
A glaring example of this is the disparity between the numbers of "black people" shot by police, and the number of "white".

"Black people", who are in positions of elevated social status, like football players, have a perfect right (IMO) to use that "platform" to voice their objections, or simply to draw the public's attention to something which they might not have known about, without that.

Trump's involvement comes from his own inherent "racism", and he's too old, and far too stupid to change now.
Someone once said something like "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel". (But I can't be bothered to look up who that was.)

From all the information coming out recently, about Ukraine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Russia, trump clearly has no patriotism.
He'll sell America out to whoever offers him most money.
Patriotism is national loyalty, trump couldn't even manage personal loyalty, to his own wives and children.
He thinks that cheating is part of what made him rich.

Personally, I struggle with patriotism, and all forms of "tribalism" which require loyalty to people you might not know, or like, simply because they happened to have been born in roughly the same area, or to share some superficial similarity; skin-tone, football teams, religions, nationalities, etc.
It doesn't seem very logical to me. (But I'm part Vulcan, -on my mother's side. )

Not a single one of us chose the place of our birth, and not a single one of us chose our parents, or the genes we inherited from them.
And yet people claim "pride" for this accident of birth.
IMO, you might just as well claim "pride" for the sky being blue, or the oceans; deep.

One day, long after I've gone, people will say "hey, you remember that crazy guy, who said that race didn't exist? - Well..... it turns out he was right".
But it would take far to long to explain why I feel that.
You'll just have to trust me on this.

Today, it's hot and sticky here.
Being old enough to remember the last ice-age, first-hand, I can confirm that the world is definitely warming up.
Just sayin...
Have a nice day.
 APRILIKESWHITEROSES
Joined: 4/6/2018
Msg: 756
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 9:20:21 AM

Machmustang"I see you're using your standard misquoting strategy again. You're so clever with that."

-0

Sir, I realized that you are trying to be nice to him, but there is nothing wrong with applying the right words when the occasion is right. :):)

I think that without knowing it you wrote the "clever" word instead of the deceptive word.



=========================



On topic.


You follow a fake person....he's not even a "man". SCROTUS is so fitting


I'm not following him. I am following his ideas about MAGA, which are much better than those of the previous government of B. HUSSEIN O. aka Barry Soetoro.!


The national symbols of a country must be respected. If someone wants to protest, they should always do so respecting national symbols. This is done all over the world ... the Flag and the Anthem of a country are respected!..President and the FANS are right on this.!!




 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 757
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 9:23:00 AM

This is one example of why I say foreigners are out of the loop, and should stick to their owned messed up country's problems. Kneeling was an issue before Trump said anything. This has nothing to do with Trump anyway.


This is why some of you folks are known as the Ugly Americans - world wide.

And please - "stick to their owned messed up country".....hahahahaha. Yup, tell that to your own fcked government and SCROTUS
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
Joined: 4/27/2018
Msg: 758
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 9:24:40 AM

Yes, you are.

As a Former Marine Aviator, who also happens to be black, I'm a hell of a lot more offended when I get pulled over by a white cop asking me "where have I been?" Or "how I can afford my car?"

Maybe a few people here need to check their privilege.


Thank you for your service. I am sorry you have born the brunt of stupidity. I am 1st gen. American & appreciate being here, born of immigrant parents who came here to escape Nazi occupied Europe after WWII. The way many other kids grew up w/ Disney stories, I grew up w/ WWII & Nazi stories. What is going on today reminds me of what I heard as a child from all the people around me who I loved & loved me (all immigrants)

Taking a knee is an act of humility, not an aggressive or rude act.

Trump has impulse control, couldn't control his old man d1ck, let alone his stupid, vile mouth, yet tries to control other's rights.

I trust in fate, Karma, The Hand of God, whatever you want to call it.
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
Joined: 4/27/2018
Msg: 759
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 9:29:45 AM

When that POS SCROTUS walks out of the White House - the entire fcking world should take a knee.


When that day comes, I think there will be PARADES world wide!

SMART PEOPLE will march!!!
 ghostata
Joined: 3/29/2018
Msg: 760
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 10:12:33 AM

The national symbols of a country must be respected. If someone wants to protest, they should always do so respecting national symbols. This is done all over the world ... the Flag and the Anthem of a country are respected!..President and the FANS are right on this.!!


So there is a limit on Free Speech according to you? You believe in Free Speech, but just not too much Free Speech...is that the way it works? The United States Supreme Court does not agree with you. It invalidated several attempts to make it a criminal offense to burn the American flag. You know why? Because the flag represents the freedoms associated with the right to burn the Flag.

Ignorant, stupid men like Trump and his deplorable supporters don't understand fundamental constitutional freedoms...and that is a shame.
 ghostata
Joined: 3/29/2018
Msg: 761
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 10:18:41 AM

And yet people claim "pride" for this accident of birth.
IMO, you might just as well claim "pride" for the sky being blue, or the oceans; deep.


You are just such a stupid fuk..... you really should take some basic courses on Human Psychology.
 Viper1j
Joined: 2/6/2015
Msg: 762
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 10:45:12 AM

Not a single one of us chose the place of our birth, and not a single one of us chose our parents, or the genes we inherited from them. And yet people claim "pride" for this accident of birth. IMO, you might just as well claim "pride" for the sky being blue, or the oceans; deep.


Shame you can't post pics here..

There's a meme that says: "Racism: If your proudest achievement is being white, that says a lot about what you've done with your life."

Very true..

Bigly.
 Llove2LaughToo
Joined: 4/14/2018
Msg: 763
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 10:48:28 AM

Msg: 755
This is one example of why I say foreigners are out of the loop, and should stick to their owned messed up country's problems. Kneeling was an issue before Trump said anything. This has nothing to do with Trump anyway.


Actually you appear to be the one out of the loop. Typical right wing conservative, always blaming it on foreigners; FauxNews, InfoWars and Sean Hannity boogie man. As it has been explained many times to you, in 1943 the Supreme Court ruled nobody has to stand for the Anthem OR recite the Pledge.

These orange kool-aid drinkers talk about "respect for veterans" , and they supported a man-child who said he only likes veterans who “weren’t captured”. Hypocrites.

Comrade Trumps narrative about disrespecting the flag and anthem is simply not true.

The whole premise behind the protests is calling out against systemic racism. That is a fact.

Btw, you can look it up, this national anthem brouhaha is a marketing ploy. It all started when in 2009 the Dept of Defense gave the NFL $5.4 million dollars to stage on field ceremonies, to make the team seem more patriotic. No NFL player stood for the national anthem until 2009. Before then, the players stayed in the locker room as the anthem played. This argument is so frigging ridiculous.

Keep drinking the orange kool-aid. What’s next, forcing us to raise our arms in the Nazi salute, click our heels, and salute Comrade Trump saying ‘Heil Hitler’?

Thank God for our Constitution. Let’s all take a knee and thank God for it.

#VoteRepublicansOut2018
 ghostata
Joined: 3/29/2018
Msg: 764
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 10:59:28 AM
""""Shame you can't post pics here.."""

Pics of what...some ugly, angry fat guy sitting behind a computer ranting about people who are religious or who have pride or egos? Perhaps his rants are simply an attempt to deal with his own self loathing for being born on the wrong side of the tracks. He must really love his monarchy. Roflmao
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 765
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 12:03:13 PM
"nothing wrong with applying the right words when the occasion is right."

>>>and that's why he called me clever.

"I am following ideas about MAGA, which are much better than the ideas of his predecessor"

>>>fixing the Republican recession, preventing banks from creating a new housing bubble, saving the auto industry and all the jobs tied to it, trying to provide affordable health care and reduce school shootings...these do not MAGA?
 Viper1j
Joined: 2/6/2015
Msg: 766
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 12:10:25 PM
Actually it's a shot of a neo-nazi at Charlottesville.

And it's quite true that if your only "claim to fame" is being white, then you have led a pathetic life.
 ghostata
Joined: 3/29/2018
Msg: 767
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 12:24:44 PM

And it's quite true that if your only "claim to fame" is being white, then you have led a pathetic life


^^^^ true, but that would typically only apply to white supremacists....how many people have pride in themselves because they were born "white"??? People may have pride because they were born to famous parents, part of a particular tribe, maybe because they are Canadian, were born with a very high IQ, whatever.....but Jovan is just talking sh^t...people don't have pride for being born a particular race.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 768
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 12:45:39 PM

but Jovan is just talking sh^t...people don't have pride for being born a particular race.

That's funny.
-Coming from somebody who has repeatedly claimed that not only are "jews" a "race", but that this alleged "race" has "superior intellect" and superior ability, and, if I remember correctly, superior beauty. (Gail Gadot? Sp?)

See, that's the thing about believers in "race"; they only ever choose the best examples as "representative".
-Not Michael Cohen, or Harvey Wankstain.
The nazis chose different stereotypes.

"Racism" relies on stereotypes.
But I don't expect you to "get" anything I say Marilyn, -that would require some thought.
Keep thinking what they thought 3,000 years ago.

The "black pride" movement also left me feeling conflicted, but when I thought about it, it wasn't so much "pride", it was more of a "refusal to continue to feel the shame", - which American society had always expected of them.
It was a simple overshoot.

"Race" is for simpletons IMO., it's why trump embraces it.
The reality is that we're all unique "races", 7 billion different "races", each with its own stereotype.
One day you'll realise this.
HTH
 ghostata
Joined: 3/29/2018
Msg: 769
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 12:57:27 PM

Coming from somebody who has repeatedly claimed that not only are "jews" a "race", but that this alleged "race" has "superior intellect" and superior ability, and, if I remember correctly, superior beauty. (Gail Gadot? Sp?)


Well Jews are "smart" having an average IQ from 115 - 120 vs. the overall average of about "100". Asians are close. Let me know when you have an explanation for that. And yep...Jewish Women are generally pretty....dark eyed beauties....Gal Gadot of course is a good example and admittedly at the top of the pyramid.


See, that's the thing about believers in "race"; they only ever choose the best examples as "representative".
-Not Michael Cohen, or Harvey Wankstain.


Both Cohen and Weinstein and Madoff and Lansky etc. are all "smart" and by most counts "successful"... you never heard me say that Jews had superior "character" however. I personally don't believe they do.


"Racism" relies on stereotypes.


You mean you don't believe there are stereotypes because some stereotypes are based on truth?



But I don't expect you to "get" anything I say Marilyn, -that would require some thought.
Keep thinking what they thought 3,000 years ago.


And you think intelligence in mankind has evolved that much in a scant three thousand years? and yea.. having studied ancient Judaism, I was startled by the depth of the thoughts of its leaders. I didn't realize just how intelligent they were....more so than many people today best as I can tell.


The "black pride" movement also left me feeling conflicted, but when I thought about it, it wasn't so much "pride", it was more of a "refusal to continue to feel the shame", - which American society had always expected of them.
It was a simple overshoot.


You mean the black pride movement can't simply be about Blacks promoting Pride in Black Culture...it has to come from feeling shame? Boy are you a Pip.


"Race" is for simpletons IMO., it's why trump embraces it.
The reality is that we're all unique "races", 7 billion different "races", each with its own stereotype.
One day you'll realise this.


Racism may be for "simpletons", race simply is a description of people who share a common ancestral background
 ghostata
Joined: 3/29/2018
Msg: 770
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 1:37:59 PM
but I do want to make it clear here...although I believe Jews are overall "smart", I don't necessarily believe they are superior. For example, a Jew is much more likely to be a doctor than a plumber.....but neither my doctor nor my dentist are Jewish... and I don't believe Jewish Lawyers are in any way superior to non-Jewish Lawyers...but if they are Jewish, there is a better chance they will end up being a lawyer than if they are not Jewish.

Why do Jews always seem to strive to learn and educate themselves? Why do Ashkenazi Jews have on average some of the highest IQs in the world (although I remember reading the highest IQs in the world may be in a particular area of Singapore I believe)...is it the culture or something else.... I am waiting for you to explain it to me Jovan.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 771
Quick, let's talk about emails or benghazi
Posted: 5/28/2018 3:01:38 PM
"Are you questioning my patriotism and the time I served my country simply because I don't agree with you? "

>>>oh no, he's been misquoted again. Gosh we keep failing to fall for BS and see what's really going on, what a terrible annoyance.

"Why do Jews always seem to try harder?"

>>>I always thought it was b/c WASP America always included Jews when MAGA. You know, those "New York values" Ted Cruz told his supporters, those "some good people" Chump talked about. Wasn't that the dog whistle he was blowing?

meanwhile:

"China this month awarded Ivanka Trump seven new trademarks across a broad collection of businesses, including books, housewares and cushions. At around the same time, President Trump vowed to find a way to prevent a major Chinese telecommunications company from going bust, even though the company has a history of violating American limits on doing business with countries like Iran and North Korea."

"Coincidence? Well, probably."

"Mr. Trump himself has more than 100 trademarks in China. Several United States senators have criticized these trademarks, warning it could be a breach of the United States Constitution and that foreign governments could use Mr. Trump’s trademarks to influence foreign policy decisions."

"The trademarks are not the only Trump-related deal that took place around the time of Mr. Trump’s pledge to save ZTE.
On May 15, an Indonesian company called MNC Group, which is partnering with the Trump Organization to build a six-star hotel and golf course in Indonesia, said it had struck a deal with an arm of the Metallurgical Corporation of China, a state-owned construction company, to build a theme park next door to the planned Trump properties. MNC has said that the hotel and the theme park are separate projects within the same development."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ivanka-trump-wins-china-trademarks-then-her-father-vows-to-save-zte/ar-AAxV5tE?ocid=spartandhp
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 772
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 3:08:31 PM
Viper


There's a meme that says: "Racism: If your proudest achievement is being white, that says a lot about what you've done with your life."


Man, is this ever true. Being born white is not an accomplishment, it is basically luck of the draw. It took nothing, you didn't earn anything or achieve anything. ""If you proudest achievement is being white, that say a lot about what you've done with your life." You were born that way and have done fck all since.


The "black pride" movement also left me feeling conflicted, but when I thought about it, it wasn't so much "pride", it was more of a "refusal to continue to feel the shame", - which American society had always expected of them.
It was a simple overshoot.


I know I'll take shyt for this but I agree with it. I would say the same applies to the women's movement and the LGTBQ2 movement - a refusal to continue to feel the shame.

The rest is a back and forth that is nothing more than a "my penis is bigger than yours" "I have a bigger button" "I have bigger hands than you" and OMFG we're going to do the "this group is far more intelligent" ???? You totally fell into the "stereotype" Ghostata of both heritage and gender. I expect better from both of you.

I still think that at every event that Trump attends, the crowd should take a knee in silent protest of the loss of dignity, respect, class and intelligence of the Oval Office. Shame on that POS and his followers.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 773
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 3:14:53 PM
^ Like today's example??


Critics slammed President Donald Trump on Monday for using Memorial Day to praise his own performance as president, which many noted marked a departure from the more traditional statements issued by previous administrations.

"Happy Memorial Day!," Trump tweeted Monday morning. "Those who died for our great country would be very happy and proud at how well our country is doing today. Best economy in decades, lowest unemployment numbers for Blacks and Hispanics EVER (& women in 18 years), rebuilding our Military and so much more. Nice!"


http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/trump-slammed-for-memorial-day-tweet/ar-AAxWjgR?li=AAggNb9&ocid=u143dhp

This about covers it:


"This is perhaps the most disgusting Trump tweet ever," tweeted Nate Bell, a conservative Arkansas politician also known for controversial remarks. "Memorial Day is a solemn day to reflect on the memories of those who paid the ultimate sacrifice for freedom, liberty & justice for all. It's NOT a 'Happy' day nor is it a day to tout your draft dodging 'bone spurs' self."


...although I'm not sure it's the most disgusting thing...there are so many it's difficult to keep track of.
 NewYorker58
Joined: 6/11/2013
Msg: 774
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Posted: 5/28/2018 3:26:32 PM
If Canadians are so nice, why do they incarcerate too many black people?

https://torontoist.com/2016/04/african-canadian-prison-population/
 ghostata
Joined: 3/29/2018
Msg: 775
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 5/28/2018 3:27:41 PM
"""You totally fell into the "stereotype" Ghostata of both heritage and gender. I expect better from both of you"""

Who is the other person you are referring to besides me? I have consistently taken this position over the years because it is a factual truism. Irish called me a bigot...babbling Funchesf would always bring up if jews were so smart, why were they killed by nazis...(I took that Azz holes out when his recent offense was accusing jews of always playing the victim card)

It is an absolute fact Ashkenazi jews have higher than average is and that jews are leaders in the sciences, arts, etc. Jovan says there are no differences between people. Factually he is wrong. The question is why there are differences. It's likely more culture than anything else, but who knows. People have evolved somewhat differently depending on the parts of the world they are from. Men have evolved different brains than women. That's a fact too. It's just stupid to lie to oneself and claim there aren't differences between people's, although there are more variances between people of the same group than variances between people of different groups.
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