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 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 951
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Kaepernick's silent protest movement has been devastatingly effective. It's on the news every week. The fact that we're here, discussing it, two years later, shows that it's effective. The NFL owners, one of the most powerful forces in sports, were forced to react. They're scared sh*tless, in my opinion. So it's been effective in shining a light on the issue. Whether anything will be done about it on the street level, remains to be seen. But the pressure is there.

I'm not sure what a more "proactive" approach would be. Protests, riots and terror are the historical tools of the powerless and the oppressed. I think a silent protest is the best tool, of those three, whether one agrees with the point of the protest or not.


Nailed it.

The kneeling by Kaepernick was known by some, not many. Some football fans in the US and in Canada were aware of it and made light of it or ignored it. And the Marmalade Mussolini got involved, probably just to deflect from the porn star or the Mueller investigation.

When Marmalade Mussolini called players "sons of bytches", then it blew up and every team was kneeling, staff and coaches and players. The Toddler in Chief lite the fuse and it exploded. Probably not how he imagined. Then basketball players did the same in support of their "brothers" as did baseball players.

This worked. Suddenly the WORLD knew what azzhole Trump was. Its not like the Toddler in Chief hadn't pissed off a few world leaders and insulted a few countries anyway - the WORLD knew what an azzhole Trump was. He's still looked at as an azzhole around the world and in his own country and I wish the son of a bytch would stay out of mine.
 potoata
Joined: 4/9/2018
Msg: 952
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 6/7/2018 3:12:18 PM
Damn I was hoping the human reject responsible for message board deletions was hit by a train or something....hey you never know when somebody is going to drop dead suddenly....here is hoping..... just if somebody lets me know when this person is gone, I may make an effort to come piss on their grave. :-)
 potoata
Joined: 4/9/2018
Msg: 953
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 6/7/2018 3:15:18 PM
Hey is it illegal for me to hope the person responsible for profile deletions is hit by a train? that I am sticking dolls in her voodoo doll as I post this? We are still entitled to Freedom of Thought right? I know the religious bigots don't think so, but most normal people do don't they?
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 954
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 6/7/2018 3:18:23 PM
^^^

You know, we used to be friends and way back when we were friends, it pissed me off when you and others were deleted, nuked and tossed away. Now that we aren't friends, it still pisses me off when you or others are deleted, nuked and tossed away. It is such bullshyt. And I still have no idea who is doing this.

I see this week that Whiskey is gone - why? Now you. Its wrong. And BignIrish was removed and had to come back. Walts was the kicker for me - Walts never hurt anyone.

Its so stupid.
 Viper1j
Joined: 2/6/2015
Msg: 955
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 6/7/2018 5:33:08 PM

Viper, with your background, what do you see that should be done differently? Is there something that can be tweaked in the hiring process? I always had a healthy fear of cops, because of their power and the blue wall. I don't think black people understand that non-blacks fear them too.


Honestly? I have not the slightest idea. If this was a military scenario, it would be simple. Two generals would meet somewhere neutral, and if neither one would surrender, there might be an armistice. Basically, a secession of aggression without an actual declaration of peace. Kind of like the Korean thing.

But when you're dealing with a situation where nobody is in charge on one side, (the people, primarily the people of color) and everybody's in charge on the other side, (each and every individual officer with a God complex), The only solution is time.

The job of the military, is to protect the people from enemies of the state. The job of the police, is to protect the people. When the military are the police, the people become enemies of the state.

You tell me, how do you unring a bell?
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 956
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Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 6/7/2018 6:28:30 PM

I see this week that Whiskey is gone - why? Now you. Its wrong. And BignIrish was removed and had to come back. Walts was the kicker for me - Walts never hurt anyone.


Ditto on that.

It appears that Jo Van has also been removed. Hmmmm…...
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 957
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 6/7/2018 6:43:41 PM

It appears that Jo Van has also been removed. Hmmmm…...


WTF. I just noticed Jo Van as well. And AJ. Some small minded fools have been busy. Why? And where is Mungojoe and a few more that were removed? And why were they removed? Juvenile. You would think that people would have learned from the forums massacre of a few years ago.
 potoata
Joined: 4/9/2018
Msg: 958
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 6/7/2018 8:40:24 PM
Bullsh^t trinity...if it were me, i would have removed cotter and jovan long, long ago.

r to maintain the highest quality forums you are restricted to having no more then 2 of the last 10 posts on a thread.
Since 2 of the last 10 posts are yours you can not post to this thread.
 potoata
Joined: 4/9/2018
Msg: 959
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 6/7/2018 8:46:57 PM
But don't worry, the culprit will be soon facing months of illness and feeling like Sh^t. I have used black magic against her. The gods know who she is and are plotting against her as i post this. Sad thing is she will never put two and two together.
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 960
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 6/7/2018 9:22:11 PM
^^ If you are thinking this is the handy work of one person, a blonde, I think you're mistaken. Its not just you that is being removed. Its all sorts of folks, mostly that post on Off Topic, she rarely seems to post here. And its a mixture of people, no rhyme nor reason. Why you and why Jo Van or Mungo - both of them argue with you. Or Dee - you didn't agree with her either. Or Walts. Or KJ. Or Irish. Or AJ. Or GTO.
Its all so weird and random or makes no logical sense. This seems like the first time Jo Van has been removed, you've been removed 1,837,472 times (but who is counting, lol). I've been removed when I came back this year. GTO once, Walts had been here since 2005. Why Whiskey? None of it makes sense.

This can't be one person. And, does black magic work? We have chocolates here named Black Magic, I like the carmels and that one lone cherry chocolate that no one seem to like.
 NewYorker58
Joined: 6/11/2013
Msg: 961
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Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 6/7/2018 9:55:19 PM
Lots of cops stuff on tv today, some of it doing beat downs. One was a big black cop wailing on a black guy for not sitting when asked. The guy is suing the police dept. Seems crazy stuff is going on in Mesa, AZ with the police. I think they beat down an white old lady.

But then there's this, an ATF agent is in serious condition in Chicago, shot while trying to stop the influx of guns onto the street. Then a human interest story where a black cop is gonna give an older white guy a ticket, that used to be a cop. They got to talking, old cop tells new cop he helped a woman give birth back in the day. Guess what? That black cop is who the white cop delivered!

Cops helped deliver 2 babies in April. Elsewhere, a cop did a c-section on a pregnant deer that was killed by a car, and successfully delivered one and is caring for it.

Viper, I don't see people talking as a conduit to anything actually being done. I don't know the political process, but black people, but really everyone, needs to somehow push to have cops wear cameras.

We lost a lot of cops where I live in WA state. Four were all killed at one time in a coffee shop a few years ago. More recently while responding to a 911 call for a home intruder. He was 34 with 3 young boys. Another cop in 2016 while responding to a domestic dispute. They're constantly being killed and shot here; I can't keep up with them.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 962
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 6/8/2018 4:06:28 AM
^^^Don't you buy into the NRA "logic" that the solution to gun violence is to have more people with guns? Or does that mainly apply to school shootings?
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 963
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 6/8/2018 7:15:15 AM
"When I went through the Academy, it was a different culture. I remember growing up, and having adults tell me that "if you're ever lost, or get scared, find a policeman". These days, most parents with any brains, (at least parents of color) tell their kids to run away or hide from the police."

>>>of course, they also have cellphones, but I get the point :) Let's look at the 1920's, in the big cities there are corrupt beat cops pocketing apples from the cart, Prohibition has armed gangsters and bank robbers with Tommy guns and BARs left over from the war. The FBI gets more involved in local organized crime. The real militarization probably traces back to SWAT in the 1970's, and the TV show maybe glamorized it. But, in LA at least, it was needed to go against the rise in urban guerilla groups and biker gangs. Police policy went from "walk the streets, get to know the people" to Broken Windows policy--get in faces, be a presence, scare the crime element away. Stop and Frisk comes to a city near you.

sometimes, policy changes the crime stats, other times, we just send the "at risk" youth off to war. But obviously, there were some "rubber hose" policing in certain areas back in grandpa's time. It was done quietly, and no one believed "the usual suspects" when they told stories of "Guiliani time!" now we have cellphone cameras, and we see things, and we still...don't react. Hence the kneeling, one in a long line of attempts to draw attention to the situation.
 Viper1j
Joined: 2/6/2015
Msg: 964
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 6/9/2018 10:27:23 AM
I totally support the right to kneel.

After all, isn't it time that whites stop telling blacks when they can and can't get on their knees?
 Llove2LaughToo
Joined: 4/14/2018
Msg: 965
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 7/21/2018 7:47:04 PM
It is hilarious that Kaepernick is accused of disrespecting his country for kneeling against police brutality. In the meantime, Comrade Trump sided with Putin at the #TreasonousSummit, undermined American intelligence agencies, and was open to allow Russians questioning an American ex-ambassador. Hipocrites!

#VoteRepublicansOut2018.
 NewYorker58
Joined: 6/11/2013
Msg: 966
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Posted: 7/28/2018 6:56:19 AM
With the new football season upon us, here we go again. Jerry Jones doubling down, saying his team has their own rules:

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones says his team has a policy requiring Dallas players to stand on the field for the national anthem regardless of any rules the NFL might adopt on the matter.

"I do think this recent effort by the league office and the players association to have discussions ... is a worthy effort," Jones said during a news conference Wednesday at the team's training camp site in Oxnard, California. "And that's what you're seeing happen right now. But in general, I will speak for one, and everybody knows where we stand, and we stand as a team."

Jones added that the Cowboys do not support players who chose to remain in the locker room during the anthem -- something that would be allowed under the league-wide policy passed by team owners in May.

"Our policy is that you stand at the anthem, toe on the line," said Jones when asked if he would support a player staying in the locker room during the anthem.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 967
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 7/28/2018 9:40:33 AM
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and and all other team owners are concerned about one thing only, and that is the bottom line. If they feel some fans might boycott because of the player's actions, and it affects their bottom line, they will do whatever is necessary to not lose any fan's hard earned money. Otherwise, most owners probably don't care what players do before a game. Owners are only patriotic to their profit margins.

Kaepernick started the kneeling action when Obama was still president. Did Obama feel it was necessary to go on TV and act like a raving, psychotic lunatic and call players who kneel SOB's and demand they get fired, like Trump did-even though he's not in the football business? There's a relatively simple solution to the problem-if you consider players kneeling a problem. That solution is to have Trump acknowledge that there is a problem with blacks often being targeted by police and killing unarmed black people is a bad thing, and he'll look into possible solutions for that. At least saying he'll look into it will get players to stand during the anthem.

But Trump won't do that, because he's more concerned about pleasing his white supremacist base, who feel all non-white people are sub-human, and don't deserve to be treated like real humans-aka white people. So the occasional unjustified killing of a non-white person in cold blood is not a bad thing in their eyes (including Trump's eyes). To them, it's not like killing a real person.
 NewYorker58
Joined: 6/11/2013
Msg: 968
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Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 7/28/2018 11:55:53 AM
Talk to me about treatment of black people when Canada stops jailing it's indigenous people in high numbers, disproportionate numbers.

Military feel disrespected by kneeling during the anthem. Doesn't matter if the owners are patriotic. These overpaid aholes have jobs because people want to see them play, and the people watching are patriotic. If the players want to diss fans, that's pretty stupid. Ultimately, it's about the fans. Then the fans effect the bottom dollar.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 969
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 7/28/2018 3:01:42 PM
"Military feel disrespected by kneeling during the anthem."

Why is that? The kneeling protest has nothing to do with the military. Did any football player say they're protesting the military? It's about police brutality. If people get on their soap box and talk about the military defending American freedom, then American football players should have the freedom to protest an injustice any way they see fit. Isn't that the way freedom works-as long as nobody gets hurt?

I'm surprised Trump didn't revert back to an old tactic he used while campaigning-telling people to beat up football players who kneel, and he''ll cover their legal expenses when they're arrested. And now that he's president, he would probably pardon the thugs. It's a selective justice system that Trump wants, just like the dictators that he admires so much have.
 NewYorker58
Joined: 6/11/2013
Msg: 970
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Posted: 7/28/2018 3:11:13 PM
Football players have nothing to protest that's job related. Go to your job and protest about prejudices that aren't at your job, while at work. See what happens.

 tomfiend
Joined: 7/19/2018
Msg: 971
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Posted: 7/29/2018 3:28:07 PM
^^^ you don't seem to get that "celebrities" can make far more of a statement than can the common man when protesting...and yea.. if my employer ordered me to pledge allegiance to the flag and I was fired for doing so....I'm pretty sure it would be a viable case against it for violation of my fundamental constitutional rights...which includes not honoring the flag if I don't want to do so. Employers in work to right states can pretty much fire employees at will...but not when it comes down to violation of constitutional rights... although it is a balancing act. My employer can certainly not force me to bow to Allah or renounce my religion, but I may have to wear a designated Uniform to work there as an example.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 972
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Posted: 7/29/2018 6:21:37 PM
No one is required to pledge to a flag, stand sit or kneel to said flag or a song. You may not like it, but it's not your job, nor is it Trump's job, to demand people do so. Now I get that Trump thinks he a dictator and can run this country like he is one but so far he's nothing but a horrible excuse for a president.
 Sandbyday
Joined: 7/25/2017
Msg: 973
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 7/29/2018 9:13:34 PM
Since when is anyone requiring anyone to think anything about the country they’re from?
But If my waiter says here’s your burger now I’m going to take a shit on your flag, he should be fired before I need to beat him to a pulp.
 NewYorker58
Joined: 6/11/2013
Msg: 974
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Posted: 7/29/2018 11:02:48 PM
Tom, no one is saying they can't speak their mind off the field when they're not working. It's pretty lazy and shows little effort and not really caring if they don't do that.

 Llove2LaughToo
Joined: 4/14/2018
Msg: 975
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:18:02 AM

Msg: 968
Military feel disrespected by kneeling during the anthem. Doesn't matter if the owners are patriotic.


You talk a good game about patriotism, yet remained silent when your treasonous leader sided with Putin at the #TreasonousSummit, continues to undermine American intelligence agencies, and was open to allow Russians questioning an American ex-ambassador. Hypocrisy at it's best.

#VoteRepublicansOut2018.
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