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 acrosstheplains
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ah yes. "that" picture is one of several pictures that we photographers refer to when discussing the art of photo manipulation before photoshop. It is believed by many respected and published photographers, including war photographers, that the famous picture was in fact totally staged after the battle. It's an iconic image true. But one made precisely because of it's value as propaganda and promotion.

Think about it. Why would sane people volunteer for death and disabling injury? It certainly isn't for the salary. Or the respect and gratitude shown by grateful governments after a conflict. One of the most effective ways to recruit is to appeal to a sense of loyalty and duty to your community. Hence in WW1 that Britain entered into in 1914..... there were whole squads and divisions formed by men from the same locale or the same factory etc.

In 1939 when Britain entered the second world war, the previous recruitment methods weren't as effective as the great depression earlier had ripped communities apart so there was much less social cohesion. But the government had a trick up their sleeve. Denigrate and besmirch the other side. Hence all the stories about the crimes of the German army etc, to stir up a sense of anger and outrage, and a desire to protect one's loved ones from imminent attack, rape and pillage.

And so to the present day. What do governments do to recruit young fresh blood? Make the job appear respected and revered even. Imagine, you can join an organization that gains you free instant unquestionable respect at sporting events where the other stars are multimillionaires. Must be attractive to some youngsters that have only experienced abuse and vitriol for the color of their skin.
 acrosstheplains
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Posted: 8/21/2018 3:34:57 PM
oh and historically, the whole point of the flag was for effective organization in a battle. Before the telephone let alone GPS technology, it was important for commanders to know where they all were. And it came in handy to gauge where and what the enemy was up to, by where it's standard bearers were. Standard bearers gave their life to keep the flags aloft and safe from enemy hands because if the flags were lost, then the ranks could become disorganized and disoriented giving the enemy chance to rout them and win the day.
 lividata
Joined: 8/16/2018
Msg: 1003
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Posted: 8/21/2018 3:50:31 PM

Think about it. Why would sane people volunteer for death and disabling injury? It certainly isn't for the salary. Or the respect and gratitude shown by grateful governments after a conflict. One of the most effective ways to recruit is to appeal to a sense of loyalty and duty to your community. Hence in WW1 that Britain entered into in 1914..... there were whole squads and divisions formed by men from the same locale or the same factory etc.


That is a very good question...and there are some wars that are just so obviously just...that going to battle is probably a pretty good bet for most people..but those wars are few and far between...against the Japanese after Pearl Harbor, against Germany after it declared war on the US and was taking over Europe.

But why would men be willing to go and die in places like Vietnam or North Korea? Well... I suppose you have to get them while they are young and convince them patriotism is so important...so when Lyndon Johnson decides saving South Vietnam is worth American Lives... well the Public has to be sold a bill of goods how noble for men to go there and die there and be maimed there.

Ali was smarter than all of them....he didn't (ain't) have a quarrel with those Viet Cong.


n 1939 when Britain entered the second world war, the previous recruitment methods weren't as effective as the great depression earlier had ripped communities apart so there was much less social cohesion. But the government had a trick up their sleeve. Denigrate and besmirch the other side. Hence all the stories about the crimes of the German army etc, to stir up a sense of anger and outrage, and a desire to protect one's loved ones from imminent attack, rape and pillage.


You mean the German Army didn't commit crimes? That war was run by a criminal cartel let by Hitler...besides when France fell and Britain was next...well that is a good reason to fight is it not?
 billgann
Joined: 7/23/2018
Msg: 1004
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Posted: 8/21/2018 3:59:10 PM

"picture was in fact totally staged"


You might enjoy 'Flags of Our Fathers'. Don't know if it's true and accurate, but how that photo came about according to that movie was believable.

My guess New Yorker didn't serve in the military and apparently didn't see many war movies. I thought Platoon and Full Metal Jacket were fairly realistic. Pretty sure not one character was fighting for a flag or what it stood for, and certainly not one character was willing to risk their life over a flag. I certainly wouldn't.

I have no idea why any veteran would be bothered by someone kneeling during an anthem. Personally I wasn't bothered when protesters were burning our flag. I was bothered a lot after I was drafted and paid only 94 bucks a month. Now THAT pissed me off!

I even got madder while sleeping in a bunker and eating out of a tin can without knowing why. I hope I didn't spend a year in Hell because of a flag. That makes no sense at all.
 cotter
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Posted: 8/22/2018 7:55:34 AM

It's okay if the flag doesn't mean anything to you, it does to soldiers presently serving and other veterans.
My line of work puts me in touch with lots of veterans (who were drafted mostly for Vietnam) and many of my friends are of an age where their grandchildren are active service members. Not a single one of them gives a shit about a football player taking a knee at a game ... they consider it for an American right of free speech ... which it is.


Men died for that flag and what it represents to them.
If the members of the military were so concerned about representing the "honor" of the US flag, then why aren't they concerned about representing their flag (the flag is the symbol of the US?) in an "honorable" way?

They sure aren't concerned about behaving in "honorable" ways when they're overseas pissing in public fountains, binge-drinking at city festivals, groping women in bars and on the streets, and just generally making asses of themselves.

And BTW, what is so "honorable" about ragging on people you are supposed to be working with and training by calling them despicable names like: "sand jockey" - "camel jockey" - "sand leech" - "sand scum" - "sand nigga" - "towel head" - "dune coon" - "sand monkey" ...

Now that's an "honorable" way of behaving ... eh? Anyone who denies that is going on, apparently really has their head stuck in the sand ... or UP their butt.

How about if people who are so focused on the so-called "hurt" feelings of the veterans (who are offended by football players "taking a knee") ... how about if they focus on teaching the veterans and current military personnel how to behave appropriately ... both while OFF duty as well as ON duty.


A lot of these football players seem to be ignorant of this fact.

http://time.com/4956246/war-veteran-kneel-nfl-players/
'Those Kids Have Every Right to Protest.' 97-Year-Old WWII Vet Kneels to Support NFL Players

A 97-year-old World War II veteran is being widely praised on social media after a photo of him taking a knee in support of protesting NFL players was shared and liked by hundreds of thousands of people.


https://www.businessinsider.com/army-veteran-nfl-players-kneeling-during-national-anthem-trump-2017-9
A former Green Beret who comes from a military family lays out why he supports football players kneeling during the national anthem

A former Green Beret laid out his reasoning for supporting Colin Kaepernick and other peaceful protestors in a Facebook post that has gone viral.

Michael Sand is a former Green Beret, and comes from a family of military servicemembers. As he wrote on Facebook, his father was a World War II veteran fighting fascism, he served in Vietnam fighting communism, and his son is currently serving in the Army fighting the Taliban and terrorism.

"Three vastly different enemies, but enemies who shared one common trait," Sand writes. "ALL of them stifle free speech. All of them bully, degrade and terrorize those who hold opposing views and who peacefully express them."

Sand's post came in response to NFL players protesting by kneeling during the national anthem, a controversy that flared up last weekend when President Donald Trump came out against the protests. He wrote that he has seen posts calling these athletes "unpatriotic" for their actions.

Writing that he speaks for himself, his father, and his son, Sand wrote that "it is PRECISELY for men like [Colin Kaepernick], and his right to peacefully protest injustice, that we were willing to serve."

Sand also suggested that Trump was "unpatriotic" in his sentiments.




Let them kneel and offend the people that keep them employed.
Seriously?

What keeps the NFL employed are the fans who buy tickets to see them play ... certainly not active-duty and deployed US military personnel. I’m not aware that they are financially compensated in a manner that would ever allow them such funds as are necessary to buy NFL tickets.
 Rumours
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Posted: 8/22/2018 8:47:54 AM
If Trump had kept his nose out of it..it would have been blown over by now....imo.
For anyone to spout off anything about Honour and Respect to country/flag....while Trump is in the WH...is laughable.
What a disgrace for your country.
 apriloveswhiteroses
Joined: 7/28/2018
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Posted: 8/22/2018 10:31:12 AM

What keeps the NFL employed are the fans who buy tickets to see them play.


Well... What fans???...not many patriotic consevative now on their games....As far I know the typical liberal/Democrat people doesn't have money enough to go to their games in order to keep them on for long..other-way why Libs want Our money and guns?....Ask Bernie and the NY woman..:)... Socialism much?
 acrosstheplains
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:25:31 PM
My father had several older brothers who fought in WW2. One of them, plus a brother in law, became prisoners of war of the German's. Unlike the barbaric, sick, perverted and sadistic behavior of some of the Japanese guards, the majority of German guards were decent beings, probably glad to be away from the front line, and not having any strong desire to brutalize their prisoners. Also maybe it was a little bit of nepotism as we English do have a lot of German ancestry ( and French, and Roman and Viking and......)

Admittedly the guards of the concentration camps were a whole different breed of sewer rat. The moment that the world forgets that crime against humanity, is the moment that world civilization falls a thousand years back again. I hope future generations are taught and reminded of it, and how easy it is to happen when people derogate their social duties and their responsibility to think for themselves. Trump is one of several politicians seeking to dumb the populace down so whatever self serving policy can be accepted and implemented.

The Germans were particularly ruthless on the eastern front, hundreds of thousands of eastern European women were raped as the Germans pushed East and then when too over-stretched had to run back west. It was an extension of the white supremacist attitude where Russians were labelled as lower grade humans.

Hitler was a knobhead. Lets face it, his own generals tried to assassinate him at least twice because of his delusions of grandeur and fecking up the running of the campaigns. Though doubtless that was in part due to the cunning counter intelligence game played by the Allies making Hitler imagine threats where there was none, and disregarding the real threats.
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 8/22/2018 1:44:04 PM
Presently serving soldiers, plus veterans, plus their relatives, plus patriotic fans, yeah, they're taking a big bite out of NFL profits or the NFL wouldn't have said the players have to stand or go sit inside.
 from site to sight
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Posted: 8/22/2018 2:04:55 PM
^^^Do you have an accurate and reliable source that the NFL is losing money because of some players taking a knee?
(I didn't think so).
 apriloveswhiteroses
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Posted: 8/22/2018 10:18:33 PM
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They are require to stand up and pretend to be patriotic because the USA Goverment (tax payers) paid them to do SO.!!!

The United States Department of Defense paid the National Football League $5.4 million between 2011 and 2014, and the National Guard [paid] $6.7 million between 2013 and 2015 to stage on-field patriotic ceremonies as part of military recruitment budget-line items.
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 8/23/2018 9:49:45 AM
acrosstheplains wrote:

Why would sane people volunteer for death and disabling injury? It certainly isn't for the salary. Or the respect and gratitude shown by grateful governments after a conflict. One of the most effective ways to recruit is to appeal to a sense of loyalty and duty to your community.
As opposed to appealing to a sense of loyalty to preserve the ability of the corporate elites to project power and thus safely harvest profits globally.


well the Public has to be sold a bill of goods how noble for men to go there and die there and be maimed there.
Yes, again, the "patriotism" angle is much more easily sold than "make the world safe for borderless, unfettered capitalism, so the rich can get richer and buy more mansions in Aspen while you come back to adulation, but no job and broken" angle.

Dan wrote:
The NFL Players themselves did NOT stand on the field for the Anthem with any regularity until 2009, when they decided it was policy to do so before Prime-Time games and the Superbowl. Most games before that they stayed in the locker rooms.
This is a good post. Standing for the flag pageantry before NFL games is artificial, pro-military propaganda, a commercial (they used to pay for it, using taxpayer money) plain and simple, to maintain recruitment in a post-draft world. Most don't even really realize they're watching a commercial.

I'm really hoping the socialist plantation owners - AKA the NFL owners - get what they truly deserve...which is a PR disaster of utmost proportions!!!
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 8/23/2018 10:10:20 AM
SS45, you really need to see it in print? Some people have stopped going to games and stopped buying NFL paraphernalia. From an article:

"The league lost a direct amount of at least $30 million.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the latest league snafu, where the NFL rejected an ad from the group American Veterans entitled “Please Stand.” It encouraged people to stand for the anthem when it’s played, and show respect and honor for the flag and what it stands for. The ad was rejected as ‘too political’ by the NFL, leaving even the Washington Post to comment that the league is being hypocritical. Especially since it allowed players to kneel, sit and otherwise protest the anthem throughout the season."
 Rumours
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Posted: 8/23/2018 10:22:44 AM
The NFL grossed 13 billion last year amongst all this controversary.
Nothing will keep most avid fans away.
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 8/23/2018 10:26:54 AM

"The league lost a direct amount of at least $30 million.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the latest league snafu, where the NFL rejected an ad from the group American Veterans entitled “Please Stand.” It encouraged people to stand for the anthem when it’s played, and show respect and honor for the flag and what it stands for. The ad was rejected as ‘too political’ by the NFL, leaving even the Washington Post to comment that the league is being hypocritical. Especially since it allowed players to kneel, sit and otherwise protest the anthem throughout the season."
Well, NY58, I think we're hoping for the same thing, but for different reasons. I support player rights to do what they want do during the anthem. Period. It's what veterans died for, free speech. Nobody should be forced to stand, period.

I am hoping for a PR disaster simply because the socialists, er, owners have totally tried to steamroller the players who believe they have valid reasons to protest. They tried to use the players as props for right wing pro-military and pro-"patriotism" commercials, just to make more money for themselves, and it is backfiring, big time. THAT is why I hope they feel the pain.

Have I ever sat during the anthem in protest? No. Would I? I doubt it. But protests of the powerless generally involve violence or some type of nonviolent expression. Boycotts/nonviolent protests are the worst to the elites, because then they can't point the finger at "terrorists," or "thugs" who are "not choosing the American way" to express themselves. Guess what, boycotts, nonviolent protests, i.e., free speech IS the "American way" and that's why the plantation owners, who steal our tax money to build their stadiums, are so freaking out.
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 8/23/2018 10:37:38 AM
No one is taking away their right to not stand. They're all doing what they want. Fans are responding. They couldn't play without fans, but some are too stupid to realize that. If you can't make your fans happy, they can work at McD, and play touch football at a park. No one is stopping them from doing that.

Exactly who is powerless?
 from site to sight
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Posted: 8/23/2018 12:21:26 PM
The White House didn't set a good example when it came to the stand or kneel controversy. VP Pence walked out of a NFL football game during the playing of the national anthem to protest the players who were protesting by kneeling. Isn't walking out of a stadium during the playing of the anthem disrespectful? What would Trump say if a football player did that?

This wasn't the first time Pence was being an a-hole about the playing of an anthem. During the Olympics in South Korea-that Pence attended, Pence refused to stand for the playing of the Korean national anthem because North and South Korean athletes banded together to form one team. Isn't that a good thing, instead of continuing to be at war with each other that's been going on forever? Why would Pence be against both Korea's being on friendlier terms? If Pence is the super duper religious person he claims to be, he would've welcomed the situation, instead of protesting it. But we know how hypocritical some of the super duper religious people can be.
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 8/23/2018 12:36:28 PM
NY58...
No one is taking away their right to not stand. They're all doing what they want. Fans are responding. They couldn't play without fans, but some are too stupid to realize that. If you can't make your fans happy, they can work at McD, and play touch football at a park. No one is stopping them from doing that.
The owners first tried to intimidate them into standing, then now are trying to put the kibosh on their expression by that new rule, I think, making them protest in the locker rooms? Maybe that has changed as I haven't been totally keeping up with the issue. It is clear the owners don't want that "political" demonstration in public, before games, yet roaring jets, military color guards, and soldier ceremonies - all of which they were making money on, coutesy of taxpayers - aren't political?

As far as being "too stupid," well, some may not understand making sacrifices for a higher calling. Sounds kinda like what we think of when we think of our military, doesn't it? Some may think soldiers are "stupid" for going over to the Middle East to get shot at, when they could just stay comfy here. Tsk tsk tsk....just cuz you don't believe their tactics or cause, I wouldn't call them "stupid."

As far as "working at McD's," etc. I highly doubt it. More likely BUY one. But even more likely they would flock to the teams with more enlightened ownership, if cut loose and given the chance. That would be fun to watch these plantation owners falling all over themselves suddenly trying to become progressive warriors, LOL....PR firms would get rich, laundering the images of this old, white, club of Archie Bunkers, lol......Or the players could go form their own league. They would have no problem getting backers.


Exactly who is powerless?
Historically, the powerless and oppressed resorted to riots or terror. Silent protest is better than those means, as the civil rights victories in the '50s and '60s showed us. The "oppressed and powerless" in this case are the poor black people suffering in their neighborhoods. I happen to think it's a pretty d*mn noble thing for some of these players, particularly Kaepernick, to sacrifice their cushy lifestyles and futures to help those in need of help, back in their neighborhoods.

And what really galls me is these free-market capitalist owners have NO problem taking taxpayer money to build narcissistic shrines to their greatness, money that could go to help these poor neighborhoods. These guys really need to be taken down a notch, and have a not poker shoved up their a**es, especially someone like Jerry Jones. I hope these protests do just that!
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 8/23/2018 1:12:59 PM
Poor black people? Whose fault is it that they're poor? They're not powerless. They can work, attend college and vote for who they want to. They're free to achieve whatever they want in life, just like the black multi-million dollar football players, black lawyers, black doctors, black executives, etc. Black people have nice houses and families, maybe better jobs than you have and better living accommodations☺

There's a protocol at the job they're asked to respect. Yeah, McDs is too good for a football player. Try jobless like Krapernick.

Old white Archie Bunker types? So this is coming around to be the fault of white people somehow? You do know there are black folks in the military?
 acrosstheplains
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Posted: 8/23/2018 1:34:04 PM




Poor black people? Whose fault is it that they're poor? They're not powerless. They can work, attend college and vote for who they want to. They're free to achieve whatever they want in life






I really did laugh out loud reading your post, Newyorker.
jeeze, do you really believe the BS you just wrote, or are you a racist?
or just agitating for a debate?
If a government supported by enough of the population actively denigrate, abuse, incarcerate, discriminate against and take any opportunity whether overtly or covertly.
Just how are you supposed to achieve your potential when you're born into poverty, your parents have to apply for help to feed and house you, and the schools system places you in underfunded state schools that teach you nothing, all the time when being fed images and fairy stories that becoming a popstar or football or baseball player will lead to riches.
The system is stacked against those who aren't born into wealth, aren't born to educated familys and ain't on the right side of town.
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 8/23/2018 1:39:54 PM
I am trying to work, NY58. C'mon!!!

NY58...
Poor black people? Whose fault is it that they're poor?
Do you think it's totally their own fault that they're poor?


They're not powerless. They can work, attend college and vote for who they want to. They're free to achieve whatever they want in life,
If you believe that it's as easy for black people to succeed from the ghetto, as it is everyone else, well, then I just don't know what to say. Black people have only had the rights you and I take for granted relatively recently, ya know. They missed the best period for the poor for climbing the economic ladder in history, the post war years, cuz of racism and discrimination. And by the time they received their freedom...the 60's along comes predatory capitalism to take advantage of poor, uneducated people. It takes time to build the generational knowledge, contacts, and habits needed in a capitalistic society to be translated into the self improvement of a race that was kicked around and worse for the better part of several centuries. YES, most decidedly for the most part, because of white people!


There's a protocol at the job they're asked to respect. Yeah, McDs is too good for a football player. Try jobless like Krapernick.
Kaepernick is jobless as a football player. I imagine he could get a job pretty quickly somewhere else in the world of football, or activism. And he could probably buy a McD's.


Old white Archie Bunker types? So this is coming around to be the fault of white people somehow?
Aren't the vast majority of NFL owners white? Maybe except for one, maybe? And I would make a guess these men are not only white, but older, grew up without a financial worry, and have no clue as to the daily struggle of most poor people, black or white. Not to mention stealing taxpayer money to build their unneeded stadiums. So yes, it is their fault. They're the ones who blew this whole thing up! Along with their buddy, President Trump!
 johnfromzelie
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Posted: 8/23/2018 3:17:35 PM
(The system is stacked against those who aren't born into wealth, aren't born to educated familys and ain't on the right side of town. /) what about WHITE people who aren't born into wealth, aren't born to educated familys and ain't on the right side of town?
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 8/23/2018 5:41:53 PM
Across, SS45, I'm not racist, but I see so many democrats that are, speaking like you, thinking black people are downtrodden, unable to live a good life, and then racist against their own race too.

Many people immigrate to the US with NOTHING! They get jobs, and some open businesses, and some do it without even speaking English or speaking little English. If you're American born, you can certainly do as well or better than non-English speaking immigrants. You have to want to. Black people are free to go back to Africa if they find living in the U.S. is too difficult for them.

If you're not responsible for what your income is and how you use it, who is? My mom was poor. You know what she did, she worked, she saved and she invested.

NFL team owners are bad people because.....why? They may be born into wealth? I don't know their background, so everything is their fault because they're white too? You're not a racist? Having wealth, or being born into it, that's a crime? You're nuts!

You two need to seek therapy, because you've fallen victim to the "white man's guilt syndrome". You do know that black people laugh at white people like you, lol.
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Posted: 8/23/2018 10:16:16 PM

Many people immigrate to the US with NOTHING!

There are plenty of foreigners who come from wealthy and privileged families sending their kids to college in America, so the image of the homeless urchin rising from the depths of despair is more Hollywood than people want to believe. The people with absolutely nothing that are filing for refugee status are in the news because of what Trump decided to do about them, but they are not the whole picture -- but yet, people WANT to lump them together. Isn't that racist?


NFL team owners are bad people because.....why? They may be born into wealth?

People born into wealth are not inherently evil. They are trained to be.

The discrimination between minorities in America occasionally may still be proven to be a case of color, but I seriously believe in the last 30 years it has turned more into the discrimination between the "Haves" and "Have Nots". Economics and Greed have replaced Jim Crow laws as a sort of separate-but-equal double standard. The middle class can be taxed for nearly everything, expect to pay for nearly everything, and the uber rich and wealthy spend nearly all of their time finding ways to hide and hoard their wealth. Charities and non-profits are burying wealth in administrative costs that exceed well over fifty percent, and Washington has been and still is using their Gerrymandering ability to focus and fix votes for generations, aside from anything Russia might have done. Part of what they are doing - in fact, a huge part of what they are doing - is figuring out new ways to keep lower and middle incomes fighting amongst themselves. Why do people in inner cities stay there when they can work minimum wage at any McDonald's in the state? Pride? Or Fear? Or a nearly impossible financial hurdle to relocate?

NFL Owners are bad people because of how they exploit their wealth to gain more wealth. Threatening to move if a city won't build them a new stadium - negotiating player contracts that don't come with any type of long term planning - charging $12 a beer - and accepting payment from the military to use their publicity as a recruiting tool. The military PAYS them millions of dollars to create patriotic displays. They are not some sort of magically charitable, giving organization by doing the national anthem - it's organized and paid for like a TV ad or a billboard out in center field. THAT is why teams were told to stand up for the anthem in 2009 instead of staying in the locker rooms. It became part of their ad campaign.
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Posted: 8/24/2018 5:55:11 AM

Black people are free to go back to Africa if they find living in the U.S. is too difficult for them.


Are you fvcking kidding me? And you don't think that is blatant racism? You've clearly demonstrated why you are an avid Trump supporter.
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