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 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 126
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Cliff Avril's good works in Haiti: https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/seahawks-cliff-avril-delivers-on-promise-to-build-a-house-in-haiti-for-each-sack-in-2016/

Speaking of giving credit, when it comes to good works, it would be nice if people would simply give credit where credit is due instead of diminishing it with deflection, in much the same way that the intent of the kneel had good intention but has been hijacked by the usual suspect (orange buffoon).
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 127
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/28/2017 1:25:08 PM
I simply do not view people as "trash", Mr. Poppata.

And I do not believe that the innate abilities a person possesses in order to processes information and/or the amount of aquired knowledge affords a position of superiority in and of itself.

But I do like you because you are different than I. Always a learning opportunity to be had by both. :)
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 128
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/28/2017 1:51:11 PM

OP: Is disrespecting our anthem and our military the way to go?


Trump has been doing it all along. Trump said John McCain is not a war hero, even though Trump was a draft dodger while McCain was in the military and was captured by the enemy and became a prisoner of war. Trump belittled the Muslim parents of an American soldier who was killed in action fighting for the U.S. Trump said he is smarter than the military generals when it comes to fighting ISIS and ending terrorism.

Trump is disrespecting the country by hiring family members and fellow billionaires, who have zero political experience, to run the country. Obviously they were handed White House positions as personal favors, even if they don't have a clue about running a country. The whole Trump clan and the cohorts in the White House are all about increasing personal wealth, and nothing else. So who is really disrespecting national symbols?
 poppata
Joined: 8/6/2017
Msg: 129
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/28/2017 2:11:10 PM
Kj...the latest on Trump. Sorry, he is a terrible man:

https://www.axios.com/trump-at-war-with-everyone-mocks-mccain-mcconnell-2490111904.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic

And by the way, his latest tax plan, though it will never be passed, helps only the rich. The man has zero integrity. Really quite remarkable, even for a politician.
 cobster11030
Joined: 7/2/2017
Msg: 130
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/28/2017 2:51:13 PM
Did anybody here sign the petition to have the Ray Lewis statue(Baltimore) taken down??

He murdered somebody. No doubt it was a black on black crime.
Baltimore has taken down other statues recently.
This one needs to go too.

No doubt Kapernick was the first signature on the petition.
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 131
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/28/2017 5:16:29 PM

Msg: 128
Trump has been doing it all along. Trump said John McCain is not a war hero, even though Trump was a draft dodger while McCain was in the military and was captured by the enemy and became a prisoner of war. Trump belittled the Muslim parents of an American soldier who was killed in action fighting for the U.S. Trump said he is smarter than the military generals when it comes to fighting ISIS and ending terrorism.


Comrade Trump's disrespect for our military is appalling. The problem is that Comrade Trump supporters take everything he says as gospel truth, no matter what anyone else says. They don't care about the truth. They don't care about facts, or reality. They simply don't care.

MAGA – Morons Are Governing America.



Did a U.S. Veteran Influence Kaepernick's 'Take a Knee' Protest of Police Brutality?

CLAIM:
- U.S. Army veteran Nate Boyer convinced Colin Kaepernick to kneel, rather than sit, while protesting police brutality during the national anthem.

RATING:
TRUE

ORIGIN:
In September 2017, as many criticized the “take a knee” protests by National Football League players as anti-military, readers wrote in to ask if a veteran had played a role in Colin Kaepernick’s decision to kneel during the national anthem in protest of police killings of African Americans.

Army Special Forces veteran Nate Boyer has said that his conversations with Kaepernick influenced the former NFL player to kneel, rather than sit, during the anthem.

Kaepernick began his protest by sitting on the bench during the anthem prior to a preseason game on 14 August 2016 when he was playing for the San Francisco 49ers. He was not in uniform at the time. The protest began garnering coverage when journalist Jennifer Lee Chan captured him sitting (this time in uniform) in a photograph prior to the team’s third preseason game on 26 August 2016.


On 30 August 2016, the Army Times published an open letter to Kaepernick from former Seattle Seahawks player Nate Boyer, who served as a Green Beret in U.S. military actions in both Afghanistan and Iraq. In the piece, Boyer reflected on how he felt standing on the field as the anthem played during his only appearance for the Seahawks:


I thought about how far I’d come and the men I’d fought alongside who didn’t make it back. I thought about those overseas who were risking their lives at that very moment. I selfishly thought about what I had sacrificed to get to where I was, and while I knew I had little to no chance of making the Seahawks’ roster as a 34-year-old rookie, I was trying.

That moment meant so much more to me than even playing in the game did, and to be honest, if I had noticed my teammate sitting on the bench, it would have really hurt me.

I’m not judging you for standing up for what you believe in. It’s your inalienable right. What you are doing takes a lot of courage, and I’d be lying if I said I knew what it was like to walk around in your shoes. I’ve never had to deal with prejudice because of the color of my skin, and for me to say I can relate to what you’ve gone through is as ignorant as someone who’s never been in a combat zone telling me they understand what it’s like to go to war.


Boyer and Kaepernick met after the open letter was published, and before San Francisco’s final preseason game on 2 September 2016 in San Diego — the first time the quarterback knelt in front of the bench instead of sitting during the anthem. Boyer posted a photograph of himself with Kaepernick following the meeting, and later said:


We sorta came to a middle ground where he would take a knee alongside his teammate. Soldiers take a knee in front of a fallen brother’s grave, you know, to show respect. When we’re on a patrol, you know, and we go into a security halt, we take a knee, and we pull security.


Kaepernick’s then-teammate Eric Reid joined him in kneeling for the protest prior to that game. He recalled the experience in an op-ed published by The New York Times on 25 September 2017:


After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former NFL player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, the next day during the anthem as a peaceful protest. We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy.


Boyer also expanded on his discussion with both Reid and Kaepernick during a CNN town hall broadcast on 27 September 2017:


[Kaepernick] reached out and we were able to sit down together for a couple of hours before the last preseason game last year. It was really cool to hear him just listen, too, and be very open-minded, too, and [say] “Look, I don’t want to hurt you, I don’t want to hurt your brothers and sisters.” I showed him text messages of friends of mine and some of them were saying I was a disgrace to the Green Berets ’cause I was even meeting with him. And some of them were like, “I’m with you man but it really hurts me to see that.”

So when I talked to them, it was mutual. Me, him, and Eric Reid [said] “I think maybe taking a knee would be a little more respectful. It’s still a demonstration. You’re still saying something but, people take a knee to pray. So for me it was a common ground, at least, to start from.


http://www.snopes.com/veteran-kaepernick-take-a-knee-anthem/
 cobster11030
Joined: 7/2/2017
Msg: 132
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/28/2017 6:26:56 PM
Did you cash in your 401K like you said you were going to do after the election?^^
OR was that just more of your bullshit??
Puerto Rico would be a much better country...much more solvent, if there was diversity there. It will never happen though...people move away from your types, they don't move to them.
As long as there is no diversity, Puerto Rico will always be a colossal shithole.

This video was posted by somebody else within this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kttb1lUVJcM
IT's worth the watch.

The NFL ratings are down. The big babies are cracking under the pressure and starting to stand.

Some, probably most, of these football stadiums are publically funded stadiums. That's already become an issue in New Orleans.

IT's about respect for your country. IT's about national pride. IF the President can't speak about national pride, what good is he?? Look what happened to Russia under Yeltsin and Gorbachev....
The flag is a sign that represents the greatest country this world has ever seen.

IT's this kind of crap from the left that brings guys like Moore in Alabama to the forefront.
He'll win in November. And it is a good thing!! This country is in bad shape. We need more people like him!!
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 133
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Posted: 9/28/2017 6:36:36 PM
"Puerto Rico would be a much better country...much more solvent, if there was diversity there. It will never happen though...people move away from your types, they don't move to them. As long as there is no diversity, Puerto Rico will always be a colossal shithole. "

>>>Wait, Lobster, so you're saying as long as PR is full of PRs, it will magically have problems? Hmm, what should they diversify it with, I wonder? Blacks? Chinese? White folk?

John, KJ, and D will be along shortly to call you out on your insinuation. They can't stand such discourse. Meanwhile, for your FDA daily requirement of iron(y):

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fox-news-poll-world-going-to-hell-in-a-handbasket-as-nation-comes-apart-at-seams/ar-AAsAuCE?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

81% of Republicans think there is a bigger lack of courtesy in society. I wonder where they think it comes from?

Meanwhile, if we wish to disrespect our veterans...fly a Confederate flag. They did fire on US soldiers, after all. Can't beat that for a lack of support!
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 134
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Posted: 9/28/2017 6:51:12 PM
"John, KJ, and D will be along shortly to call you out on your insinuation. Meanwhile for lighter fare:"


Is that my job? I don't think so. I gotta worry about me.

I love to meet people from everywhere and learn about where they are from. About a year ago....I met a lovely widower visiting from Puerto Rico. If only he had been closer. ;)
 fullmoonguy2
Joined: 6/14/2017
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Posted: 9/28/2017 6:51:43 PM

i was trying to find a youtube video of a white guy being abused by the police


Google "Kelly Thomas beating".


are whites too scared to do anything about their abuse by the police?


"Officer Manuel Ramos was charged with one count of second-degree murder and one count of involuntary manslaughter; Corporal Jay Cicinelli and Officer Joseph Wolfe were each charged with one count of felony involuntary manslaughter and one count of excessive force.[6][8][9] All three pleaded not guilty.

A judge declined to dismiss the charges against the officers in January 2013, finding that "a reasonable person could infer that the use of force was excessive and unreasonable."[10] An appeals court judge also denied a request to overturn the lower court's decision.[11] On January 13, 2014, Ramos and Cicinelli were found not guilty of all charges,[12] while the trial for Wolfe was pending.[13] Following the verdict for the two officers, the district attorney's office announced it would not pursue the case against Wolfe.[14] On January 17, 2014, charges against Wolfe were dropped.[2]"
-Wikipedia

$4.9 million wrongful death settlement reached in a wrongful death lawsuit against the city of Fullerton.
 cobster11030
Joined: 7/2/2017
Msg: 136
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Posted: 9/28/2017 7:10:52 PM
You may be right, GTO..

When somebody comes to this country and lives and prospers here and they identify themselves as everything but an American, but yet they criticize everything American, yes, it does make me mad.
When somebody tells lies about white people and says things like ...he wants to make America white again(as if that is a bad thing), yes, I'm going to say something.
When somebody spouts off and says things like...Trump will never win because the people around him are not diverse enough...that's just stupidity. IT's not about giving people jobs based on their skin color.
This country is in trouble. And it is that thought process that has brought us to this point. When you can't see past diversity and racism, there is no hope.

When somebody flat out lies and degrades in pretty much everything he says, yes, it makes me mad.

I have no particular affinity for people like him.

YOu really should watch what that guy in the video has to say about Baltimore. So true!!
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 137
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Posted: 9/28/2017 7:22:48 PM
wait
wait
wait


what do i have handed to me?

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this thread has just proven that liberals and conservatives are racist.

not all but many of you don't even realize it.

it is pretty entertaining.
most entertaining is that you don't even realize it.

it isn't racist to like yourself and people like you more than others.
it is racist to buy into and repeat false stereotypes to make yourself have any self esteem (conservatives) or to be condescending and payernalistic (liberals) against a race of people.

you peoole do know that 75% of black people are NOT on public asisstance snd that billionaire oprah gets discriminated against until they realize who she is, right?

fear of the invaders always make the racists of both sides turn on blacks. they feel less helpless.

continue. . .

quite interesting.
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 138
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Posted: 9/28/2017 7:26:15 PM

Msg: 132
Did you cash in your 401K like you said you were going to do after the election?^^
OR was that just more of your bullshit??
Puerto Rico would be a much better country...much more solvent, if there was diversity there. It will never happen though...people move away from your types, they don't move to them.
As long as there is no diversity, Puerto Rico will always be a colossal shithole.


You mad bro? Now, careful there, I can see your veins popping out of your neck,

I’ve been ignoring your ass for a while now because you are the typical InfoWars bigot.

Ignoramus kool aid drinkers like yourself don’t deserve a reply.

Bigoted narrow-minded neo-nazi trolls like you give conservatives a bad name.

Instead of pulling a “YIKES John” move and deflect from what I posted, admit that your argument is bogus.

That fact is that former Seattle Seahawks player Nate Boyer, who served as a Green Beret in the military influenced Kaepernick to kneel during the anthem.

Comrade Trumps narrative about disrespecting the flag and anthem is simply not true. The whole premise behind the protests is calling out against systemic racism. That is a fact.

Take your white supremacist victimhood and move back to Germany, you fool. Better yet, take your nazi flag and shove it up your a.s.s. Comprende?

MAGA – Morons Are Governing America.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 139
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Posted: 9/28/2017 7:34:56 PM

wait.
what?

what do i have handed to me?

----------

this thread has just proven that liberals and conservatives are racist.

not all but many of you don't even realize it.

it is pretty entertaining.
most entertaining is that you don't even realize it.

it isn't racist to like yourself and people like you more than others.
it is racist to buy into and repeat false stereotypes to make yourself have any self esteem (conservatives) or to be condescending and paternalistic (liberals) against a race of people.

you peoole do know that 75% of black people are NOT on public asisstance snd that billionaire oprah gets discriminated against until they realize who she is, right?

fear of the invaders always make the racists of both sides turn on blacks. they feel less helpless.

continue. . .


oh.
don't ask the president a question about "xyz" and then whine that he should stay out of and not discuss "xyz."


they have brought attention to the issie. if they start standing again, it has served its purpose.


quite interesting.


 poppata
Joined: 8/6/2017
Msg: 140
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Posted: 9/28/2017 7:37:20 PM
^^^ Cobster you have many of Trumps traits...you make your own reality despite the actual facts. In Trumps case it's because he is a mental case. How about yours?
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 141
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Posted: 9/28/2017 7:53:52 PM
"this thread has just proven that liberals and conservatives are racist."

I am working on it, Ms. Dee. Hang in there! I'm a work in progress! :D
 N2U16
Joined: 9/25/2016
Msg: 142
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Posted: 9/28/2017 11:26:47 PM
Cultural Marxism is rampant in our Universities and its being used to divide (& Conquer) the Country between the Oppressor (Capitalism, Whites in general but specifically White Males) and the Oppressed (Everyone else). As a result, we’re pushed to our tribes (Sociobiology). The global economic system being implemented by the UN is Socialism, not Capitalism and Sovereign Countries.

There’s been a lot of FUD pertaining to ICO’s and Crypto Exchanges in China this last month. ICO’s refunded investments before the Government decided to regulate or make them illegal and Crypto Exchanges voluntarily closed before China decided to regulate or make them illegal. These people “bent the knee” before China made any decisions out of Fear, not “respect and humility” for their government. It’s been interesting to observe but I prefer Capitalism.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 143
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Posted: 9/29/2017 6:12:28 AM
The problem with "racism" is that it's totally illogical.
I think most people know that, deep down inside, but they continue to insist that "race" is somehow a valid and meaningful construct, when it's obvious that it isn't.
To me, anyone who believes in "race" is (technically) a "racist".
(Though I'm prepared to admit I'm something of a philosophical "extremist".)

It always amuses me that Barack Obama is considered to be a "black" man, when genetically, he's equally "white", the same goes for Bob Marley.
I don't claim to speak for all beige, 6'1" males, and yet we see other people claiming to know what "whites" want, and what "blacks" want, on this very forum.

Football players are at the apex of capitalism. They are "used" by advertisers because of their exposure, which is why/how they get such ridiculous payments.
As long as there are "racists" who believe that "race" "tells you something about a person", and as long as people with darker skin are adversely affected by that nonsense, they are free to peacefully protest in the most effective way.
They've been given a platform, and a world stage, with millions watching, it's an ideal opportunity to draw attention to something.
-Or..... They could just keep smiling, and tap-dancing, and taking the money, in the (vain) hope that by doing so, people will begin to view people with darker skin as benign, and stop killing them, quite so much.

Trump has disrespected your flag, and country, by calling people who kneel, (in almost all other contexts; accepted as a show of deference ) "sons of b1tches".
He's brought disrespect on your country, by being elected after saying "when you're famous you can grab them by the pvssy", dismissing ALL females as simply "them".
And you have a "First Lady", who's minge is all over the internet, in lesbotic poses.
He's disrespected your country, by referring to nazis and "white supremacists" as "fine people",
when, if anyone was worthy of the title of "SOB", it's surely those people waving swastikas?
Where was their "respect" for your flag?

Trump is making a mockery of your country, on a daily basis.
You elected a conceited, dim, "racist" "reality TV star", who makes Liberace look "understated" to be president.
He's a moron. (No offence meant to the vast majority of sensible Americans.)
If that's your "best", I shudder to think what your worst are like.
Anyone who defends a "racist" (like trump) is also a "racist".

The sooner he gets impeached, the safer the world will be.
He wants to get you involved in more wars, but was too chicken-shit to go himself.
That says it all really.
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 144
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/29/2017 8:37:10 AM

“I am not going to engage on what the president did,” Wright said. “I’m not going to engage on the absurdity that we just ran a clip where a player quotes the president of the United States and we felt we needed to bleep it. I’m not going to engage on the absurdity that the day after the president was inaugurated, via his favorite form of communication, Twitter, he tweeted his resolute regard and support of peaceful protests, of which this is as peaceful as it gets.”

Wright went on to clarify that it is not true that the players are protesting the anthem, flag, country, or military. They are protesting systemic racism and police brutality.

“What I will engage on is what is actually happening, because I can’t walk past a television screen without seeing this on the bottom line: ‘NFL players protest anthem,’” he said. “It is amazing to get a fact error in a four-word headline.”

He added, “When people march, they are not protesting traffic. The players have been uniform that they are using the anthem as a vehicle to protest inequality, police brutality, and racial injustice. And this story — by the president and others, many well before the president ever chimed in — has been hijacked to making it about the anthem when in reality the anthem was always just the vehicle.”

To drive this point home, he explained the origins of the protest: “Colin Kaepernick was sitting. He wasn’t kneeling. He was sitting. Why did he start to kneel? Because he got with a Navy SEAL, Nate Boyer. Talked with Nate Boyer. Nate Boyer, who sacrificed as much as anyone can for this country without giving their life or limb. Nate Boyer says he respects Kaep and says, ‘Hey, it would sit better with us if you kneel.’ Kaep says, ‘No problem. I can still get my point across.’”

In short, Kaepernick and other protesters have actually worked with military veterans to be minimally offensive. To this end, Wright pointed out that none of the players involved have actually gone on television and used the protests to slam the military or American ideals.

“I have not heard one soundbite of a player being anti-military, of a player outwardly attacking the fundamentals of what this country is supposed to be,” he said. “This is a protest about whether or not the country has fulfilled its promise of equal protection under the law to all of its citizenry. And that conversation is one no one wants to have. That conversation is uncomfortable for people. So people literally drape themselves in the flag as a defense of it.”

There’s a reason Trump is framing the protests in the way he is. Trump has a history of racist comments, has joked about police brutality, has criticized Black Lives Matter, and supports “tough on crime,” aggressive policing. But these are divisive views. By framing the protests about something almost all Americans will oppose — denigrating the flag, anthem, military, or country — he is seemingly trying to make this an easier battle for him to win, while invoking some racial dog whistles along the way.

Or as Wright put it, “We have perverted the discussion into an easy one to get to one of America’s favorite old hobbyhorses, which is: Why aren’t those black folks more grateful for what they got?”

To drive this home, Wright gave a hypothetical scenario:

If Colin Kaepernick, who started this whole thing, when he was asked why are you not standing for the anthem, he had said, “I’ll be honest with you, I think no one protects that flag more than our soldiers, and I do not think our soldiers are treated fairly when they come back to this country — they do not have adequate health care, they do not have adequate benefits, they do not have adequate job opportunities — and until they get that, I’m not standing for the anthem,” would you still be mad? Because he’d be disrespecting the flag just the same way.
He added, “Or are you mad because deep down you kind of feel like black people got it good enough?”


nick wright (@getnickwright) September 25, 2017
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 145
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Posted: 9/29/2017 8:44:21 AM
Too much Dr. Seuss books, ya think? :/
 N2U16
Joined: 9/25/2016
Msg: 146
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Posted: 9/29/2017 9:04:54 AM
https://twitter.com/Chet_Cannon/status/913777723478179842
 Doremi_Fasolatido
Joined: 2/14/2009
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Posted: 9/29/2017 9:12:11 AM
How's this for a what if? What if, some athletes in N. Korea were to perform a gesture such as kneeling or otherwise were to protest their Govt's treatment of..... Them.... Wonder how that would be handled there, as compared to here?

I have a idea folks like that may just .... Disappear... . Much like Russian journalists who write facts about their Govt. and then wind up "falling" off of buildings or being mysteriously poisioned.

Trump, and folks who feel kneeling is disrespectful are entitled to their opinions. That is freedom. I think, if Trump decides to outlaw or punish peaceable expression of what someone views as a problem with OUR country will just make OUR country move one step closer to becoming more like NK and Russia.
 benartflick
Joined: 3/8/2012
Msg: 148
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Posted: 9/29/2017 9:45:50 AM

"when you're famous you can grab them by the pvssy", dismissing ALL females as simply "them".


To YOU, is that the same as saying, "When you're a star, they let you grab'em by the *****?

Do YOU see the difference? Can you read?

I'm not a star, but a lot that 'em let me grab'em by..... Am I a pervert for writing that? A few did resist, but I continued to sneak attack (I was young, horny, and stupid). After the age of 19 I don't recall any resistance - except for a few women working in a massage parlor. Then one warning was enough (not when I was 15 & 16 - too stupid to realize what no meant).

My guess a woman never let you grab her - right? Trust me - most American men have grabbed women there. It seems kinda normal for us. Can't guess why. It was like a magnet. Not any more. Couldn't care less. Not interested. Now I prefer to be grabbed.

Please share the evidence you have that proves our president is a racist and a coward?

Do you believe going to college is the same as draft dodging? Or serving in the National Guard?

I was 1Y at the time I was drafted. If I had known I might be reclassified and drafted, I would have enrolled in college. That would make me a coward - right?

Most of the men I know hate Socialist life style. Army life reminds me of Socialism. I hated it. For several months we were paid 94.50 a month before taxes. Yes, we had to pay taxes until we arrived in Vietnam.

Eating franks and beans out of a can, living in a bunker, sleeping on a folding cot, having people trying to kill you, no running water most of time (showers from a water hose suspended in air once or twice a week) is worth avoiding if you can. It has absolutely nothing to do with being a coward or not.

It wasn't like we were defending our country. Do a little research. The majority of Americans were strongly against the war in Nam. I certainly was - before, while serving, afterwards.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
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Posted: 9/29/2017 9:47:20 AM
Didn't Trump once call N. Korean leader a great leader?
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 150
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Posted: 9/29/2017 9:52:23 AM
"it isn't racist to like yourself and people like you more than others."

>>>but, what makes other people "like us" compared to people who aren't like us? Is it their intellect? Their compassion? Their personality? Is it their...values? That they value their children? Or the way to make money? Or what else they find important? If we find what makes people human, makes them "like us", then there's people like that in the countries that have the travel ban. Ken Burns documentary on the Vietnam War(pbs.org) just ended with a episode on American and Vietnamese vets meeting together. They all realize they had something in common, they lacked the money or the connections to avoid going into a meat-grinder war, and that their generals lied to the politicians.

Do we think "people like us" are like us b/c they share our culture? Our music? Our view on economics? Our view on property ownership (like, say, bootleg movies?)? What makes "those people" not like us? Bigger question: are they wrong? Maybe in their part of the world, there is a different demand placed upon them, and their view of what is important works in that part of the world? Maybe they don't engage in the Rat Race? Maybe they respect their elders rather than worship youth? Maybe they aren't slaves to consumerism? Maybe, just maybe...we could learn a lesson or two on what is important?

"What if, North Korean athletes protested their government, what would happen?"

>>>indeed, it is interesting we want to fight for a right that we dare never use. An athlete takes a knee, Alex Jones shouts fire in a crowded theatre. One side of the political spectrum insists one of those two examples is telling the real truth, and the other example needs to be silenced.

America does have problems, but all empires eventually fall under their own weight. Being powerful costs money. Having a reach to influence others so that you can maintain power, costs money and blood. There are times the world is willing to let you pay for being the world's policeman, and that costs favors and money and blood. Before 1914, we stuck our nose in Cuba and the Phillipines, but for the most part, we were content with what influence on the world we had. Then 1918 left a vacuum to fill, so we did...and took on all the costs of doing so. We had gone west young man, until we ran out of west, and still had a manifest destiny to fulfill.
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