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 John252817
Joined: 8/24/2016
Msg: 176
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"Does anyone know if they are banned, yet? :O"

^^^^Well Kj, if it is like many who go to ESC, they will try like hell to shut down everyone and everything that doesn't "fit" their ideology.

If you really want to know what is going on at the evergreen state college, do some reading about the school. It will scare the hell out of you and anyone else who has a brain.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 177
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/29/2017 7:49:51 PM

I cannot believe Dr. Seuss is now racist! WTH???

I'm not really sure what you mean by... "now racist"...

He started out racist... Or did you not know that...?

https://library.ucsd.edu/dc/object/bb7782613z/_2.jpg

https://library.ucsd.edu/dc/object/bb7407179q/_2_3.jpg

https://library.ucsd.edu/dc/object/bb72706592/_2.jpg

https://library.ucsd.edu/dc/object/bb98986725/_2.jpg

https://library.ucsd.edu/dc/object/bb7475442t/_2.jpg

I thought you were "up" on all the "deep intel"...? How could you miss something this... obvious... and... well... public...?
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 178
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 3:17:18 AM
kj and John

Trump hatred is a disease.
Dear Trump haters - Seek help.


This is from the Washington Post, no less -


"""""""""What the librarian who rejected Melania Trump’s Dr. Seuss books as ‘racist’ got wrong

Oh, the places you’ll go! Unless, that is, you’re 10 Dr. Seuss books donated by Melania Trump and your planned destination is the shelves of the Cambridgeport School library.

The first lady gave a collection of titles by the beloved children’s author to award-winning education programs around the country. As kids learn at school, when you get a gift, even if it is unappealing or unnecessary, you take it and say thanks. What you do after that is up to you. That is not what happened in Cambridge, Mass.

Instead, school librarian Liz Phipps Soeiro wrote a letter back to Trump informing her that “we will not be keeping the titles for our collection.” Why? Her school is relatively wealthy; its library shelves are well-supplied already. But on top of that, Seuss is “a bit of a cliché” — and worse, he’s a racist.

To support her argument, Soeiro cites scholarly work on “the minstrel characteristics” of Seuss’s characters, or “caricatures.” The Cat in the Hat may have been based on blackface entertainers, and before his storybook career took off Seuss sketched cartoons filled with racist stereotypes, particularly of Japanese people.

Okay. So Seuss had issues. But so did a vast array of other authors, including pretty much anyone writing before, say, 1930. And Dr. Seuss books contain plenty of other lessons more amenable to the forward-thinking, from “The Lorax’s” hit-you-over-the-head environmentalism to the anti-fascism of “Horton Hears a Who,” “Yertle the Turtle” and “The Sneetches.” As The Post’s Rachel Chason points out, Seuss was also a champion for children’s literacy, the same cause Trump sought to promote when she sent out his books.

Dismissing Seuss’s expansive oeuvre as “racist propaganda” is lazy. And, if the photo some online sleuth discovered that looks an awful lot like Soeiro dressed in a Cat-in-the-Hat outfit hugging “Green Eggs and Ham” to her chest is anything to go on, this anti-Seuss crusader doesn’t actually disagree.

A librarian’s role — and Cambridgeport’s has a graduate degree in library science, so she should know it — is to curate a collection that represents a diverse set of viewpoints over an extended period of time so that readers can see the widest possible picture of the literary past and present. Her additional role as an educator is to provide students with the full context of any of those works, showing them how to understand the good, the bad and the ugly in it.

No school employee has an obligation to fawn over an administration whose policies they see as antithetical to their mission as an educator, and Soeiro’s letter does include separate critiques of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos’s agenda. But the way she chose to lash out against DeVos’s regime — by rejecting a well-intentioned gift on disingenuous grounds — doesn’t seem in line with that mission either.

Soeiro’s letter to the first lady also included a list of 10 books that challenge the traditional literary canon. They include the tale of a Chinese-African-Cuban girl who breaks a taboo against female drummers, the saga of a Pakistani boy’s victory over a bully in a kite battle and a story starring a Haitian American mother incarcerated because she is undocumented. In other words, the books on the list aim to help children go places that Dr. Seuss never imagined. Good. That’s Soeiro’s job. Adding Trump’s choices to the stacks certainly won’t keep her from doing it.""""""""""


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Or "Mommy, mommy, daddy, daddy and their girlfriend and boyfriend on the side, and Me,"

i.e., books for children even have to have an agenda with leftists.
A left leaning indoctrination agenda.
It is sad, really.
What is really sad is that leftists create, imagine and invent problems where none exist.
So that they have something to whine about and falsely tell their egos that they are morally superior when they are actually destroying everything.


[[[[Have you heard that they only way they think that they can beat Trump (who is not running again) is with Oprah?
Oh No.
Ironic that they pull out a billionaire, isn't it? ( Not that Clinton was a pauper but let them pretend that she was)
Then we join Europe with the Childless, and in her case, unmarried.
We don't need them to lead.
They have no clue. ]]]]

(Question: Do public schools close for Muslim holidays yet? They close for Christmas and they close for 10% of the population Jewish Holidays (don't buy the 2% tale) Several coincide with the Christian and Jewish holidays so it may not be necessary) )


On topic:

""""""Just six NFL teams have not had a player protest by kneeling, sitting or raising a fist during the pre-game anthem. Only the Cowboys, Cardinals, Bears, Vikings, Bengals and Jets haven't had a player protest during the anthem.""""

We all have to remember that most of these guys are pretty young and think like young people (see college protests. What if they did THAT?)
.
I get it. They made their point, a valid one.

They can stop now.
Otherwise, it will just bring on their doom and have the opposite effect of what was intended.


 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 179
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 5:55:22 AM
"He started out racist... Or did you not know that...?"


I know no such thing! Nor do I want to!

The only "deep intel" I am "up" on is that The Grinch character was based on you! It was only a theory before but now I know for sure! So pack up your links....cause this Cindy Lou Who is not going to let you steal her Christmas!

Course and open, indeed! Try...course and a heart that is 3x too small!



For goodness sakes! Y'all have gone crazy!

Next thing you know....you'll be telling me Dr. Seuss was a liberal Democrat and a racist! :O
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 180
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Posted: 9/30/2017 6:13:03 AM
It is pretty crazy!



Fitzgerald was a racist.
It doesn't make his writing any less brilliant and absorbing or useful.

And they call the people who say that the Teletubbies had a gay agenda "nuts."

The leftist position on Dr. Seuss is just as "nuts."
 Sweet_Danimal
Joined: 10/31/2015
Msg: 181
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Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 7:16:12 AM
This thread is a lightning bolt. It gathers a lot of attention with a bright flash and a lot of noise, but it wanders randomly through the sky, lasts for half a second, and nobody knows where it will finally come down.

People - all people - in the United States - that are not incarcerated or have their freedoms limited by a legal status - are allowed to peacefully gather and protest. End of story. END OF STORY.

What people fail on is their list of clear grievances - and that's what all this wandering bullsh1t in this thread is all about. People want an event like this to be about what THEY want it to be - and don't really give a damn what other strangers may believe it should. Racism, classicism, economic reasons - all we know is some athletes at a very public venue decided to do something different during the opening act of the exhibition - and their reasons for doing so are probably just as varied as the people doing it. Who the hell cares? We tune into these events to watch people play a game and maybe be entertained by the occasional smart comment from an announcer or a clever TV ad. Make a stink about their behavior if you want - but it's the least harmless thing THEY will be doing for the rest of the afternoon. Just ask Davante Adams.
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 182
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 7:29:08 AM
"We tune into these events to watch people play a game and maybe be entertained by the occasional smart comment from an announcer or a clever TV ad. "


Exactly! And what a fantastic country we live in that affords us the right to protest AND choose what is entertaining...within limits of the legal system, of course.


At the end of the day....I think the "money" will talk on this one. :)
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 183
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 9:17:48 AM

Course and open, indeed! Try...course and a heart that is 3x too small!

Is THAT what... recognizing and accepting reality and truth... actually means to you...?

No wonder you are so upset over... imagined "disrespect" of a piece of music (I'm still trying to figure out how such a thing is even possible. I'm sure that once I do, I will find reasons to complain about "disrespecting" rocks)...

Next thing you know....you'll be telling me Dr. Seuss was a liberal Democrat and a racist!

Well... that would be redundant... as I've already pointed out... Dr. Seuss (said as "zoisse")... started out as a racist (you looked at the links, and now know I was correct, I'm sure)...

https://library.ucsd.edu/dc/object/bb7782613z/_2.jpg

But I will not tell you he was a "liberal Democrat"... because it doesn't accurately describe him... although... I will tell you... he was a "progressive liberal"...

For goodness sakes! Y'all have gone crazy!

Not in the least... although... It appears that you have a great deal of difficulty in understanding... just exactly what is being said...

It all seems to get "filtered"... through some "truth rejecting" mechanism that kicks in... whenever your fantasy beliefs are challenged...

p.s. I have absolutely zero problem with... reading Dr. Seuss (said as "zoisse") books... to my grandkids... or watching the movies with them...

I wonder if that too... makes me "a hypocrite"... like with the "free speech thingie"...? Or is there something you are choosing to overlook in all this as well...?
 John252817
Joined: 8/24/2016
Msg: 184
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 9:19:33 AM
The NFL has rules and policies. We see the rules played out during the game.....pass interference, delay of game, too many men on the field, illegal formation etc etc etc. The NFL also has policies and the "policy" of the national anthem isn't enforced as it is written by the NFL. I am proud to see the teams that stood for the anthem, and I am far from being alone which is also great to see. Just like the players have the right, we fans also have the right and it is being played out on both sides. Michael Bennett of the Seahawks is definitely not a role model for being a spokesman for racial injustices after seeing the report out of Vegas on what went down with him and the cops. He tried to put the blame on being targeted when what happened was the cops doing their job. I 100% feel he was afraid for his life, you could hear it in his voice. The cops also did their job. They controlled the scene and once controlled, when they could sort out the facts, Bennett was released. So we have a person fearing for his life, cops doing their job correctly but then after it is all done we have Bennett playing the race card. Even the hawks head coach talked about his and the teams support for Bennett and the coach talking about how traumatized Bennett was. Yes Pete, he was but not in the way you and Bennett and others want to portray it. You want to blame it on racism when it wasn't about racism. I have no problem when people say they support someone but until you know the facts, you support them in the meaning of helping them whichever way the facts come out. If they are guilty or misleading as in this case, you support and help them see that they were wrong and how can they help you understand and be better for it.

Is their racism out there? Hell yes there is. Michael Bennett did not help in the reality of racism existing in this country. Not at all. Does Michael do great things off the football field? Hell yes he does. It is sad that he made this story in Vegas as part of his "resume" when it doesn't match up with the good he does. People that are really helping out here as far as trying to eliminate racism, they must have grimaced greatly when they saw the results of this case in Vegas. It doesn't help the cause at all.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 185
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Posted: 9/30/2017 9:37:25 AM

I am proud to see the teams that stood for the anthem

You mean... like the way you are "proud"... of the Trump private email...?
 NewYorker58
Joined: 6/11/2013
Msg: 186
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Posted: 9/30/2017 10:01:30 AM
John, agreed. Bennett was so obviously playing the race card. When I saw the video, at first, I didn't understand how he was targeted because there were black people all around him, so it wasn't like he was one black person among all the white people, but I wanted to see more of what was going on. When I did, it was very disappointing to see him blatantly lie and be divisive with playing the race card. He hired a high profile civil rights lawyer. Vegas police want an apology from him for accusing them of being racist.

Feedback from hundreds of Seahawks fans, if not thousands, is that they are boycotting the games and will not watch them or buy tickets or buy any of their paraphernalia. With that said, the Seahawks had the freaking nerve to then say they are starting a fund for equality and justice without even saying where money would go; they are asking for money from fans, whatever is left of them.

Some don't understand, watching football is a reprieve from work and life's problems, and especially politics. Who can protest at their job about something not pertaining to their job? I have not seen one person say they don't care about racial equality during all of this. Yet, I see so many people say they don't care about our anthem and respecting our military. It's hard to enjoy the games when they start off by disrespecting our military. The flag and military are present on the field. How do you kneel in front of them?
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 187
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Posted: 9/30/2017 10:14:55 AM

Here's your big picture...the forest if you will.


Repost of #142 ( Hope I have Mr. N2U16's permission)


"Cultural Marxism is rampant in our Universities and its being used to divide (& Conquer) the Country

Perhaps you'd like to explain exactly what "cultural Marxism" is?
I've heard it trotted-out a lot, usually by the alt-right, as a sort of "cryptic code" against (their paranoid perception of) the alleged spread if "Islam".
-But that doesn't make sense, because if they were right, it would be anything but "culturally Marxist", if everyone was forced to convert to islam.

The other way this tired old canard gets trotted-out, is in the allegation that "liberals" and/or "lefties" are too amenable to "multi-culturalism", (- which is really just "code" for being prepared to tolerate "muslims ")
-But this doesn't make sense either, as "multi-culturalism" is surely the antithesis of "cultural Marxism", which (to me) implies some sort of enforced "monoculture".
So perhaps you could explain exactly what it is?


The thing about cultures is the same thing as it is about genes: they all originated from somewhere else.
Name me one thing which you consider to be "American culture" (or in my case, "British culture", and I can almost guarantee it will have started elsewhere.
Eg "Christianity".
Hot dogs,
Your language.
It's the same for all societies, so don't think I'm just picking on you.

between the Oppressor (Capitalism, Whites in general but specifically White Males) and the Oppressed (Everyone else). As a result, we’re pushed to our tribes (Sociobiology).

Nice attempt to justify "racism"; "you made us act this way".
I think I can hear a tiny violin playing for us poor "white" dudes.....



The global economic system being implemented by the UN is Socialism, not Capitalism and Sovereign Countries.

The UN doesn't implement anything, not even the hundreds of condemnations of "israel", and even when they try, the USA "vetoes" it.

There is nothing vaguely "socialist" about "the global economic system", if there was, 3,000 babies wouldn't die, every day, for the lack of clean water, while your president urinates into a gold-plated (or maybe solid gold, who knows?) toilet.
I don't think you know what socialism is.

Having a state police force is socialism.
Having roads and infrastructure is socialism.
And "christianity" is definitely a form of socialism, (if you took away all the praying, and bollocks, obviously.
"Christianity" says you should give all your worldly possessions to the poor, and that a rich man can't get into "heaven".
Funny how people forget the important bits....

If you help a neighbour, that's socialism too.

I think you just need to be more "out" about your "racism".
You'll feel better, ask a gay person....
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 188
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 10:19:01 AM

Who can protest at their job about something not pertaining to their job?

Ah.... So now we see where this is all... truly... coming from...

You weren't allowed... by your boss... to put up your "Lock her up" posters... or harangue your collegues about "Killary"... at work...

So now... you are upset... that others' bosses... let them "get away with"... what you can't...

No wonder this thread seemed so... gratuitously self-serving... from the first post...
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
Msg: 189
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Posted: 9/30/2017 10:36:41 AM
Ah cultural marxism. What WOULD we be without it?.............

"It begins in the 1910s and 1920s. When the socialist revolution failed to materialise beyond the Soviet Union, Marxist thinkers like Antonio Gramsci and Georg Lukacs tried to explain why.

Their answer was that culture and religion blunted the proletariat’s desire to revolt, and the solution was that Marxists should carry out a “long march through the institutions” – universities and schools, government bureaucracies and the media – so that cultural values could be progressively changed from above.

Adapting this, later thinkers of the Frankfurt School decided that the key to destroying capitalism was to mix up Marx with a bit of Freud, since workers were not only economically oppressed, but made orderly by sexual repression and other social conventions.

The problem was not only capitalism as an economic system, but the family, gender hierarchies, normal sexuality – in short, the whole suite of traditional western values.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/19/cultural-marxism-a-uniting-theory-for-rightwingers

"cultural marxism
A social and political movement that promotes unreason and irrationality through the guise of various 'causes', often promoted by so-called 'social justice warriors'. These causes and their proponents are often contradictory and are almost never rooted in fact. Indeed, true argument or discussion with proponents of these causes is almost impossible, as most attempts at discourse descend quickly into shouting, name-calling and chanting of slogans.

Otherwise known as the 'regressive Left' - a play on their contradictory nature, specifically on how SJWs describe themselves as 'progressive' yet display strong authoritarian, 'regressive' tendencies."
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cultural%20marxism
 poppata
Joined: 8/6/2017
Msg: 190
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 10:49:02 AM

Yet, I see so many people say they don't care about our anthem and respecting our military.


You still don't get it never had anything to do with respecting the anthem, flag or our military. Led around by your nose by Trump. So sad to see how strongly some have bought into the Bulwark.
 benartflick
Joined: 3/8/2012
Msg: 191
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Posted: 9/30/2017 11:01:49 AM

Who can protest at their job about something not pertaining to their job? Ah.... So now we see where this is all... truly... coming from...You weren't allowed... by your boss... to put up your "Lock her up" posters... or harangue your collegues about "Killary"... at work...So now... you are upset... that others' bosses... let them "get away with"... what you can't...No wonder this thread seemed so... gratuitously self-serving... from the first post


Joe, I thought the New Yorker made some valid points. You don't or can't grasp what she's getting at - that's fine. Why so discourteous?

Instead of rudely bashing Americans, why not share your opinion on highly paid employees protesting on the jobsite and upsetting some paying customers? What does Joe think?

Legally and possibly contractually they can protest unless their employer tells them they can't. Ya agree with that, Joe?

As a fan, I don't care. If they worked for me, they wouldn't be doing it again. Would you allow them protest again, Joe? Easy question for most Americans.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 192
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 11:07:31 AM
Its one thing for an adult to consume historical art, while keeping in mind what was going on at the time. Huck Finn telling a woman a steam boat blew up, no one got hurt but an N died (which might have been Samuel Clemmens attempt at social commentary). Misogynist stories from when people thought women and children should be seen and not heard. Comic books/strips from 1940 portraying Asians as devils with tails and horns.

But should a child's mind view art that needs such a historical interpretation? I think its a valid question. I also can guess it's going to have a million different answers :) Maybe the safest answer is, "let the parents decide with their dollars."

A commentator said something interesting on the radio today, that a protest is designed to get something to stop, and taking a knee isn't about stopping the singing of the anthem during a football game. But that is the time that everyone's attention is on what is going on at that moment, not distracted by what's going on in some corner of a very big field. We are a captive audience at that moment, we're not cheering or doing the wave or hoisting a beer.
 poppata
Joined: 8/6/2017
Msg: 193
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 11:10:07 AM
^^^ geeze.... do you get nothing? Is it now absolutely clear that many of us, on the left, the extreme left and in the middle believe in the right to protest (although I will concede Leftist Trash often attempts to shut down freedom of expression)..... and NO AHOLE.....if they have a contract to play football, the owner can not "break" that contract simply because he is not happy with their freedom of expression. At best, the owner can simply non-renew...or he can pay off under the contract and fire the player, but that wouldn't be very smart would it? Paying something for nothing.



, why not share your opinion on highly paid employees protesting on the jobsite and upsetting some paying customers? What does Joe think?


What the fuk does their being highly paid have anything to do with anything...moron... care to explain. Does the constitution apply only to low paid employees?




As a fan, I don't care.


Then why are you here ****in about it, other than the fact you **** about virtually everything.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 194
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 1:03:02 PM

You don't or can't grasp what she's getting at

I grasp exactly what she is "getting at"... and... having served... find her jingoism... egregiously insulting and self-serving...

Instead of rudely bashing Americans, why not share your opinion on highly paid employees protesting on the jobsite and upsetting some paying customers?

Why can't I do both...?

I think it should be pretty clear... what I think of "upsetting" the particular "paying customers"... who are getting their panties in a twist over this...

What does Joe think?

My views on that subject have been widely posted in these forums... going all the way back to... Shrub and his forum syncophants... You will find no contradiction in any of it...

Legally and possibly contractually they can protest unless their employer tells them they can't. Ya agree with that, Joe?

"Possibly contractually"...?!? You can't be saying that with any seriousness...

Just why do you think it is... that "highly paid" sports players... when they do this stuff... only worry about... "Will my contract get picked up with the same/better conditions when this one expires"...?!?

You don't really think that a... "highly paid" sports player... is "employed" under conditions even closely akin to... "Joe Salary"... do you...?!?

As a fan, I don't care. If they worked for me, they wouldn't be doing it again. Would you allow them protest again, Joe? Easy question for most Americans.

Say... you wouldn't be one of those who like to compare... national debt... to... mortgage and credit debt... would you...?

That sure does appear to be the road you wish to go down...
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 195
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 1:11:14 PM
Yeah, thanks for that Vlad.
From your excerpt, particularly with its last line, you'd think it was like a real thing....
But from further in the same Guardian article, he says:

The vogue for the ideas of theorists like Herbert Marcuse and Theodor Adorno in the 1960s counterculture culminated with their acolytes’ occupation of the commanding heights of the most important cultural institutions, from universities to Hollywood studios. There, the conspiracy says, they promoted and even enforced ideas which were intended to destroy traditional Christian values and overthrow free enterprise: feminism, multiculturalism, gay rights and atheism. And this, apparently, is where political correctness came from. I promise you: this is what they really think.
The whole story is transparently barmy. If humanities faculties are really geared to brainwashing students into accepting the postulates of far-left ideology, the composition of western parliaments and presidencies and the roaring success of corporate capitalism suggests they’re doing an astoundingly bad job. Anyone who takes a cool look at the last three decades of politics will think it bizarre that anyone could interpret what’s happened as the triumph of an all-powerful left.

The theory of cultural Marxism is also blatantly antisemitic, drawing on the idea of Jews as a fifth column bringing down western civilisation from within, a racist trope that has a longer history than Marxism. Like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the theory was fabricated to order, for a special purpose: the institution and perpetuation of culture war. We can even nominate an author for this lunacy: William S Lind, a polymath of the American hard right, who sought to put rightwing activism on a new footing as the cold war drew to a close.

I prefer the wiki definitions:
Hey look!
I got it right!


Disguised racism
In the report “Ally of Christian Right Heavyweight Paul Weyrich Addresses Holocaust Denial Conference”, the Southern Poverty Law Center said that, in 2002, William S. Lind spoke of Cultural Marxism to a conference of Holocaust deniers. Lind said that every member of The Frankfurt School was “to a man, Jewish”, yet said that he did not question the occurrence of the Holocaust, and admitted that he was present at the holocaust-denier conference officially representing the Free Congress Foundation "to work with a wide variety of groups, on an issue-by-issue basis".[79][80]

In 2011, in Norway, the right-wing terrorist Anders Behring Breivik included the term Cultural Marxism to his manifesto, 2083: A European Declaration of Independence; the manifesto and a copy of Political Correctness: A Short History of an Ideology (from The Free Congress Foundation ) were e-mailed to 1,003 people, some 90 minutes before Breivik committed the 2011 Norway attacks.[81][82][83] To support his nationalist racism, Breivik quoted the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory of William S. Lind.[84]

In July 2017, the US National Security Advisor, H. R. McMaster, removed Richard Higgins from the U.S. National Security Council, because he wrote a seven-page memorandum that purported to describe an active plot to destroy the presidency of Donald Trump. The anti-Trump conspirators that Higgins identified were the cultural Marxists and the Islamists, globalist politicians, bankers, the news media, and politicians from the Republican and Democratic parties.[85][86][87]


The appearance of propriety
In “Cultural Marxism and the Radical Right”, the political philosopher Jérôme Jamin said that, “Next to the global dimension of the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory, there is its innovative and original dimension, which lets its authors avoid racist discourses, and pretend to be defenders of democracy”.[45] Prof. Matthew Feldman traced the concept and term Cultural Marxism as being derived from the concept and term Cultural Bolshevism which originated in Germany following the First World War (1914–18) — locating it as part of the degeneration theory that greatly facilitated Hitler's rise to power.[88] William S. Lind confirmed this as his period of interest, claiming in his essay "The Origins of Political Correctness" that "It [Cultural Marxism] is an effort that goes back not to the 1960s and the hippies and the peace movement, but back to World War I."[80]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

So, to recap, it seems I was right.
People who warn of "cultural Marxism" are really just "racists".
Don't beat around the bush,
just "put it out there".
You'll feel better.
-The downside is that decent people will dislike you, so "swings and roundabouts" there, I suppose,
 benartflick
Joined: 3/8/2012
Msg: 196
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 2:37:43 PM
Joe, I GUESS somewhere in your responses you're implying if you owned the team, you would let them protest at the start of every game on your football field. Okay!

I take it you didn't understand most of what I wrote. Goes to show me that you had difficulty grasping most of what I and the New Yorker had to say. That's fine! It might be a communication problem. I had absolutely no problem understanding what the New Yorker had to say.

Joe, I wrote, "As a fan, I don't care." I can't understand why that was so hard to understand. Both you and the king troll seemed to have no idea what "I don't care" meant.

I would care if I was an owner because protesting might mean less revenue. Fewer dollars to pay those HUGE salaries.

Some Americans believe if you're paying an employee more than a million bucks a year, he shouldn't be doing personal stuff while on the clock that might cost his employer beaucoup income. He can protest all he wants on his own time. To think the US Constitution gives them the right to protest on their employer's property while on the job is ludicrous. My guess only the king troll believes that.
 poppata
Joined: 8/6/2017
Msg: 197
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 3:00:45 PM

Some Americans believe if you're paying an employee more than a million bucks a year, he shouldn't be doing personal stuff while on the clock that might cost his employer beaucoup income.


And it would be none of their or your business would it?



To think the US Constitution gives them the right to protest on their employer's property while on the job is ludicrous. My guess only the king troll believes that.


You will always be a fuking Moron... they have an absolute right to protest if they choose. The owners and their employers have only those rights spelled out in the contract between player and employer. That means the owner MAY OR MAY NOT be able to do something about it if they choose to try to do so.

And by the way ahole, there is no evidence yet this is going to cost the owners a dime. Right now its wishful thinking on your end that those uppity rich blacks are going to cost their teams money. Heck, this dispute may increase the ratings as people tune in to see what is happening on the field.

I see you had no comeback when I showed you how stupid you were thinking you were entitled to overtime pay... still boggles my mind that you thought you were in the right.....unbelievable.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 198
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 3:19:32 PM

Joe, I wrote, "As a fan, I don't care."....

I would care if I was an owner because protesting might mean less revenue. Fewer dollars to pay those HUGE salaries.

So...?

What does that change... exactly...?

Joe, I GUESS somewhere in your responses you're implying if you owned the team, you would let them protest at the start of every game on your football field.

Guess all you like... it seems to be pretty much what you've been doing all along...

I take it you didn't understand most of what I wrote.

As I said above... guessing seems to be a big part of what you've been doing...

Apparently... my quoting virtually everything you wrote back to you... wasn't a big enough clue...

Some Americans believe if you're paying an employee more than a million bucks a year, he shouldn't be doing personal stuff while on the clock that might cost his employer beaucoup income.

Again... so...? What... exactly... does that have to do with... "the price of tea in China"...?

All of the above... of course... leads me back to my final question...

"Say... you wouldn't be one of those who like to compare... national debt... to... mortgage and credit debt... would you...?

That sure does appear to be the road you wish to go down..."
 Kj521
Joined: 11/16/2016
Msg: 199
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 5:03:30 PM
Response to msg. 183


"Is THAT what... recognizing and accepting reality and truth... actually means to you...?"

Don't be silly! Just a personal opinion. :)



"imagined "disrespect" of a piece of music"

Whether or not "disrespect" is real or imagined is dependent on the type and strength of emotions evoked and associated with the symbolism "a piece of music" represents as preceived by any particular individual. I'm guessing.



"(you looked at the links, and now know I was correct, I'm sure)..."

Well...Joe...Mr. Arrogant Pants! I can say with complete and 100% honesty....you are wrong! I did no such thing. I Googled the political leanings of Theodor Seuss Geisel...yesterday. AND to confirm my special "level of awareness" I didn't even click on the search links. Merely skimmed the little summaries. How 'bout dat?! You wanna cash me outside? ;)


"It all seems to get "filtered"... through some "truth rejecting" mechanism that kicks in... whenever your fantasy beliefs are challenged.."


You see? THAT ability is but one of the many things that add to the charm of what makes me...me. Isn't it wonderful? :)




"I wonder if that too... makes me "a hypocrite"... like with the "free speech thingie"."

Only you can answer that. Only thing it says to me is that you did not experience or have successfully resolved any cognitive dissonance that may have been present.

And I am sure I have overlooked a lot of things. Feel free to point them out. But it doesn't mean I will accept your truth as having any truthiness. (See above proclaimed "charm") :D
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 200
Sitting, kneeling or hiding out in the lockeroom during our anthem
Posted: 9/30/2017 6:51:25 PM

Well...Joe...Mr. Arrogant Pants! I can say with complete and 100% honesty....you are wrong! I did no such thing.

Yeah... about what I expected...

We learned long ago... that you don't "do proof"... when there is a chance that it contradicts your fantasy beliefs...

I am curious... though... as to just how accepting the reality... that Dr. Seuss (said as "zoisse")... started out racist... would conflict with your "warm fuzzy feeling"... over "How the Grinch Stole Christmas"... or "Horton Hears a Who"...

It certainly doesn't interfere with mine... In fact... it only heightens it (I watch the Grinch every year... sometimes twice if I get impatient waiting for Christmastide)... and unlike you guys... I don't have to put on a public show of self delusion... to accomplish it...
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