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 vlad dracul
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I mind reading an article a while back where new yorks prominent feminists turned a blind eye to bill clintons sexual harassment of impressionable young lassies.

They still do a nelson where clinton is concerned............



"Bill Clinton Says He Doesn’t Owe Lewinsky a Private Apology in Light of #MeToo

In the run-up to this year’s midterm elections, Mr. Clinton has been virtually invisible on the campaign trail because of new scrutiny of his past treatment of women, including Ms. Lewinsky.

For years, he had deflected allegations of sexual harassment and assault from several women, but several of his accusers have felt empowered recently as the #MeToo movement gained momentum.

Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones, three of the women who have accused Mr. Clinton of sexual harassment, said in November that they felt newly vindicated."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/clinton-lewinsky.html


And nice one monica. She showed up the me too movement and showed that some are allowed to sexually abuse impressionable young lassies more than others...............


"After #MeToo, disinviting Monica Lewinsky is old-fashioned misogyny

Town & Country magazine’s withdrawal of an invitation after Bill Clinton accepted was plain rude – and bad party-planning.

How would you feel if you were invited to a party and then told not to come because someone you had a relationship with decades ago was going to be attending? A quarter century is long enough for most of us to be civil in those circumstances.

But the event planners at Town & Country magazine seemingly didn’t have faith that Monica Lewinsky would be capable of acting like a mature adult in that situation. They disinvited her from an event this week after they found out that Bill Clinton was also planning to attend.

The party hosts were also not smart enough to remember that it’s a long time since Lewinsky has been silent in the face of insults.

On Wednesday, she wrote on Twitter:

“Dear world: please don’t invite me to an event (esp one about social change) and – then after i’ve accepted – uninvite me because bill clinton then decided to attend/was invited. it’s 2018. emily post would def not approve.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/11/after-metoo-disinviting-monica-lewinsky-is-old-fashioned-misogyny
 Paulineandzeus
Joined: 8/6/2018
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Posted: 8/21/2018 6:42:51 AM

For once I agree with Ms May - sexual assault is a police matter.
It's far too easy to use the internet in these matters (a bit like
some used to come on here slagging off so & so because they had
a grudge - still happens sometimes) - you either have a case
to bring or you don't ...............


Have you looked at the amount of rape cases that actually go to trial far less end up in a conviction? There are many many reasons why people who have been raped or sexually assaulted do not go to police. I would be surprised if May had ever been in that position herself, people who haven't been tend to see it as very cut and dried when often it is not.

I posted this on another thread some time back when someone on here was trying to suggest that as many men get sexually assaulted than women, the figures suggest otherwise. But a tiny percentage of people who make a complaint end up in court and a tiny percentage of the cases that end up in court end up in a successful prosecution.

The system is weighted heavily against anyone (male or female) who makes a claim of sexual assault.

This case came to wide attention because the men involved were famous. The claimaint's sexual history can also be revealed in court in certain circumstances.

Here is part of the article of the Belfast rape case

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2018/04/belfast-rape-trial-i-m-haunted-man-who-couldn-t-stand-his-friends

The man accused of vaginal rape saw that the woman was bleeding, and told the court he assumed – he did not bother to ask – that she was on her period. Women are there to be “pumped” and “roasted” – pornified descriptions of sex which leave no room for the idea that female pleasure might matter, too.

I actually know one of the women who was involved in making allegations of improper sexual conduct against the former SNP msp. It wasn't rape or attempted, he was accused of stalking her

She had been seriously unwell not long previously and I assume could not face the stress of a police investigation. The man concerned also admitted to improper conduct

It is not always cut and dried. There will be strong cases that do not make it as far as trial. I bet many victims will feel badly let down by the CPS and the PF in Scotland.



>Hypocrite, peado and glass house dweller. This story will die overnight, if it had been male on female Twitter would explode, again.


Its not dying overnight, there has been a very strong reaction on Twitter, in particular from Rose McGowan and her followers (she has many).

I personally don't think someone of his age being "laid" by an older female actress is just a case of he's got laid, and hes got money from it. It was statutory rape, no more and no less.

 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 8/21/2018 6:50:01 AM
" It was statutory rape, no more and no less." Well if under age sex is as common over there as over here, they're going to have to lock up half their teenagers.


Doh - there's only three and a bit of us here In order to maintain the highest quality forums you are restricted to having no more then 2 of the last 10 posts on a thread.
Since 2 of the last 10 posts are yours you can not post to this thread.
 Paulineandzeus
Joined: 8/6/2018
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Posted: 8/21/2018 6:53:59 AM

" It was statutory rape, no more and no less." Well if under age sex is as common over there as over here, they're going to have to lock up half their teenagers.


It was legally though, irrespective of whether people have under age sex or not.
 rekirked
Joined: 11/7/2017
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Posted: 8/21/2018 9:08:53 AM
There’s grooming involved here, she first met this lad and started working alongside him when he was a small boy. There are pics on the net of them from many years ago which leave a bad taste when you look at them.




As for Rose McGowan this was her tweet when #metoo was getting started:

“It’s quite simple, all who have worked with known predators should do 3 simple things. 1) Believe survivors 2) Apologize for putting your careers and wallets before what was right. 3) Grab a spine and denounce. If you do not do these things you are still moral cowards. #ROSEARMY”




This was her tweet when her friend is investigated for sex with a minor:

“None of us know the truth of the situation and I’m sure more will be revealed. Be gentle.”






The hypocrisy is at defcon 5.

 UKBunny
Joined: 8/10/2018
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Posted: 8/21/2018 12:06:46 PM
(sigh) - if it's a police matter report it -
or is that too simple for the Fvckbook generation?

 acrosstheplains
Joined: 8/1/2017
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Posted: 8/21/2018 2:27:16 PM
I didn't go to the police as a 14 year old because the circumstances were so utterly bizarre I felt they wouldn't believe me. If I felt defenseless and powerless as a growing young man, I can't imagine how women feel under similar or much serious circumstances.

When I became a uni student, despite being on a 99% male attendee course, I met several female students. Being a quiet respectful type, I guess I seemed safe to open up to. I was dating one woman who lived in a house with 5 other women. I became trusted enough to stay present when they had in depth discussions about 'women's stuff' It was sometimes as if they'd forgotten a man was in the room.

Bear in mind this was the 80s when the established attitude was that if a woman walked alone in the dark through a park, or if she wore sexy or revealing clothing, or if she had had multiple partners before; then she was fair game for anyone. One morning, I remember one of the women revealed she had a rape fantasy. This prompted two others to reveal their personal horror stories. I didn't dare speak at all but listened as my girlfriend held my hand as if to say, don't go.

So Bunny, I say to you and all the others who make blithe statements about reporting things to the police. Until you personally have experienced serious trauma like that, you have no idea how you will react. Many people freeze, and then after in a state of shock, they can't believe it happened. Then they think nobody else will believe it happened.
You feel sick to the core of yourself. Disgusted because you think that somehow, you asked for it, you deserved it.

Except you didn't, and you don't.

So the minutes turn into hours, then the hours turn into days, without you doing anything.
Then you think it's simply too late.

So the Me Too movement is the best thing that has happened to help victims in a bloody long time. It is helping to empower people held silent for days, weeks, years. It helps them realize that it was never their fault, that it was a shitty thing that happened to them and has happened to many other people all equally underserving of it.

It helps heal.
 imanorangetiger
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Posted: 8/21/2018 3:02:18 PM
My clinical supervisor told me of an instance where a paedophile ring was broken in the US after a client had disclosed historic sexual abuse to a counsellor years after the event. We are required to keep completed safeguarding forms for a considerable length of time after a client leaves, in case they are needed at some future point.
 calliopedreams
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Posted: 8/24/2018 6:12:52 AM

Well if under age sex is as common over there as over here, they're going to have to lock up half their teenagers.


Not so.
Most laws pertaining to underage sex have a "Romeo and Juliet clause."
This means any consequences ard greatly reduced when the minors having sex are aged within a few years of each other. It is usually a misdemeanor, versus a felony offense, as in the case of a larger age discrepancy.
 try1more
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Posted: 8/24/2018 8:08:17 AM
"Most laws pertaining to underage sex have a "Romeo and Juliet clause.""

thats rubbish!
just taking america as a single country, which it's not, where the age of consent ranges from 16 to 18, the close in age law does not apply to every state, and even in those that do apply it there are wildly different interpretations.
just taking the uk and ireland, the uk is 16 ireland is 17, ireland (and as far as i'm aware) the uk do not have a close in age clause.
as for europe, germany it's 14.
trying to use the age of consent as some yardstick has it's problems, and has no place in any discussion relating to abuse or rape, which is a whole different animal!

as a side note, canada does have a sense of humour, the law against oral sex was repealed in 69....1969 that is :-)
 Paulineandzeus
Joined: 8/6/2018
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Posted: 8/24/2018 8:48:22 AM
If it’s a police matter report it.

I’ll just try and explain this the best way I know how.

When the system is stacked up against the victim do you wonder why people don’t report it. Also. I was sexually assaulted in broad daylight. On a bus. There was no cctv in those days. The person got off the bus. Are people not aware that sometimes all women or men have to go on is a description of someone and that person might never actually be traced. Reporting a crime does not mean that someone will be found. Traced. And then convicted.

There are people who have been convicted of rape years later because they’ve given a swab and dna has been collected and it’s matched dna taken at the time. In an ideal world an assault would always lead to a successful prosecution

That is not the world we live in. Have you ever read the case of the murder of Amanda Duffy? She was murdered I think in 1992 in Hamilton which is around six miles from where I live. I was actually in Hamilton the night she died. She was battered and she had been sexually assaulted as well.

The verdict was not proven. That’s clearly different from a living person reporting assault. But as I said before the percentage of rapes that make it to trial far less a conviction are minuscule

If women or men do not want to report sexual assault or rape to the police that is up to them.

I know more than one woman whose rape was accompanied by bearings and mentally abusive behaviour. For some people getting out of a situation alive takes importance to getting someone convicted. The system lets victims of rape, male and female down badly.

In England and Wales in 2016 there were 39000 reports of rape or sexual assault. 3700 went to trial. And not all of those that went to trial will have ended up in a prosecution.

Nothing to do with Facebook generation. That is reality.
 Paulineandzeus
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Posted: 8/24/2018 9:07:28 AM
There are also certain attitudes that people possess.

Like. How could you not like someone touching you up. I’d love it if someone grabbed my crotch.

It’s been said on here more than once. Or if you think that women should be able to wear what you like without being raped you are a misandrist.

For many people actually being raped or sexually assaulted will be traumatic enough and I would never judge someone for not wanting to report given that the system is so heavily weighted against the person reporting.
 Paulineandzeus
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Posted: 8/25/2018 7:50:33 AM
There are also issues I have on the subject of misogyny. Particularly online.

I've seen really decent men be called misogynists because they have done nothing but have a slight disagreement with a man. Hashtag why I need feminism. Hashtag you mention the word vagina and you are a misogynist

Thats not real misogyny. Nothing like it.

However I'm also a misandrist on here according to some. So people have their views. Right or wrong.
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