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 vlad dracul
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Right a wee couple of questions for all yous snow encased folk. Fisrtly

I thought about this question for a wee while. I was on the bus one day and watched two lassies talking away using sign language. Now i use a lot of Scots english and slang words. Is sign language universal or do folk who use it have their own dialects?

By that i mean up here in the schemes we tend to have our own wee world of words. Do any of yous know folk who use sign language? If so could you ask if they use regional sign or slang signs?

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Do sign language folk over in shermanland use a universal sign language? Folk on the european mainland must sign in the language of the nation they reside in won't they?


Now the other question was one i read yonks ago but never really got an answer.

Why are west ends of our cities usually wealthy with big huge dwelling houses and yet east ends were nearly always poor with folk crammed into shithole dwellings?

Now i did read one plausible answer but do yous think it is correct.

When the cities were built it was all coal fires. And the winds would blow the smoke down towards the east hence the rich wanted to live up west.

What think ye?

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Is it the same over the pond? Do wealthier folk tend to live in west ends of cities and the poor in the east end?
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 3/4/2018 11:10:41 AM
Vlad, this is what I found: From Wikipedia: As a sign language develops, it sometimes borrows elements from spoken languages, just as all languages borrow from other languages that they are in contact with ... On the whole, though, sign languages are independent of spoken languages and follow their own paths of development. For example, British Sign Language (BSL) and American Sign Language (ASL) are quite different and mutually unintelligible, even though the hearing people of Britain and America share the same spoken language. The grammars of sign languages do not usually resemble those of spoken languages used in the same geographical area; in fact, in terms of syntax, ASL shares more with spoken Japanese than it does with English.

What you said about the coal smoke blowing makes sense. We have areas called east, west, north and south for every state, but more wealthy people tend to live by the water. It's preferable to want that view and accessibility to water. It's also about the houses themselves. Some areas have nicer, more expensive houses, so it's about the houses having more worth, not particularly the area, but then that area is considered more prestigious just for having more expensive houses in it.

Housing in the larger cities is more expensive directly in the city, maybe due to it's proximity to work for most people, along with conveniences. I don't value city living, because I value privacy and being around less people☺ Land is much less expensive in the countryside.

There's also supply and demand. Everyone was losing their homes in America in the last several years. Then more rented, so there were less apartments available, then apartments went up in price. Now, more people are moving to Washington state, so less available houses, so houses are rising in cost.
 duracell_bunny_one
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Posted: 3/4/2018 11:42:59 AM
Back in the day (about 1100 or so) most houses/castles
of the Great & the Good were built on flowing water,
which went on down to the poorer mob downstream.
Without getting graphic, this was one reason for the
outbreaks of cholera & other water-borne problems.
(and people DRINK from the Ganges? - shish)

 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/4/2018 3:16:21 PM
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"Back in the day (about 1100 or so) most houses/castles of the Great & the Good were built on flowing water,
which went on down to the poorer mob downstream. Without getting graphic, this was one reason for the
outbreaks of cholera & other water-borne problems. (and people DRINK from the Ganges? - shish)"


If you ever visit Edinburgh you should do the tour of Mary Kings Close. It was one of the original closes (alleys) where rich and poor resided cheek by jowl. It is quite interesting although they pad it out a bit. Where Princes Street gardens are now used to be The Nor Loch.

The poor lived at the bottom near The Nor Loch. Twice a day citizens shouted the french expression (or our version of it) GARDYLOO and they emptied their shite and pish buckets out of the window. I'm sure some of the buildings were around 10 stories high.

Anway apparently citizens had to be quick on their toes to avoid said deluge. And all the crap ran down hill to The Nor Loch. The poor never stood much of a chance to be fair.

The youtube clip shows you just how far underground you are when on the close and just how narrow the space was between the houses either side. And again on the clip you can see just how steep it was. And Edinburgh had a window tax. The higher up the building you were you got a bit daylight. So they charged you accordingly............




"The Real Mary King’s Close is buried deep beneath Edinburgh’s Royal Mile. The city’s deepest secret; a warren of hidden streets that has remained frozen in time since the 17th Century. There is nowhere in the world quite like Mary King’s Close.

It can be a strange concept to understand – back in the 1600’s, Mary King’s Close and neighbouring Closes were at the heart of Edinburgh’s busiest and most vibrant streets, open to the skies and bustling with traders selling their wares to the Old Town’s residents. Why would this street find itself underground 400 years later?

For years, the hidden Closes of Old Town Edinburgh have been shrouded in myths and mysteries, with blood curdling tales of ghosts and murders, and of plague victims being walled up and left to die."

http://www.edinburghspotlight.com/2015/04/the-real-mary-kings-close/


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NogaBC7g2Yw

Ps the history channel done a show about underground Edinburgh. The whole show is on this link but it doesnt full screen. If yous watch it Gilmerton Cove is about a mile from my hoose and Roslyn Chapel around four miles from ma bit.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j5YwtFa4nCw
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 3/4/2018 6:49:37 PM
Vlad, I watched the first 15 minutes. It was interesting. There's an underground part to Seattle also.

I think we had that same gardyloo situation here. I think that's why men traditionally walk on the inside, closest to buildings, so that when waste was thrown out a window, it wouldn't hit the women. When sanitation improved, the men then walked on the outside to protect women from hazards coming from the street.

We have quite a few Brits and Scots here. We have something called the Highland Games that are popular:

The Seattle Scottish Highland Games Association, a non-profit (c)(4) group, was formed in 1947 by a local group of prominent Scots. The Association provided this group of fellow Scots a means of keeping their ethnic origin alive as well as stimulating an interest in Scottish Highland Games through Scottish dancing, piping, drumming, and athletic competition. Listed among the first patrons were Emil Sick, Governor Arthur Langlie, Mayor William Devine, and John L. Scott.

The Seattle Scottish Highland Games Association is a self-supporting, non-profit (c)(4) group. Officers, Trustees, and members receive no remuneration for the hard work and many volunteer hours that they dedicate to the Association. All funds received from dues or other sources are applied to the furtherance of games activities, expenses, maintenance, and administration.

The first "Seattle Scottish Highland Games" were held in the West Seattle Stadium. Since that time, the Highland Games have become a true Pacific Northwest event, thus the name change in 1980 to the "Pacific Northwest Scottish Highland Games & Clan Gathering." Our other event sites have included Bothell, Burien, Everett, Fort Lewis, Kirkland, Renton, the Seattle Center, and now the Expo Center (formerly the King County Fairgrounds) in Enumclaw.
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 3/5/2018 3:29:08 AM
I think where people built the more expensive houses is down to which way the wind blows. All weather comes from the west and the predominant winds in the UK are also from the west. I'm sure that must vary around the country but you will find that main runway at most airports faces west.

It wasn't until the great plague of London that the link to water and cholera was partially understood. From memory one Doctor noticed that the hotspots were centred around particular wells which he persuaded the powers that be to close. That was a major tool in the fight against cholera.

The sewers used to empty into the Thames flowing right past the Houses of Parliament causing it to be closed at times. It was known as The Great Stink. Apparently the smell was so bad as to be quite painful. It was that which caused a massive drain to be built to take the muck a few miles down. The famous embankments were built to house the drains. Interesting that whilst people are strolling along, beneath their feet hundreds of tons of shit are slowly making its way east.

Interesting about alleys and closes. I think the same system is used throughout the country, not sure how it affects Scotland. I know a bit about Tewkesbury and some of the towns I've looked at of the same age have similar patterns.

When Tewkesbury was laid out, we know not when but somewehre around 1350-1500, it was split into 3 main streets. Narrow strips were allocated from each of these streets to the boundaries of the town which in our case is bounded by rivers. Owning one of these strips conferred on the owner the title of burgher and gave them the right to vote. It also freed them from having to tithe money, labour or goods to the Lord of the Manor. As space ran out, the owners built alleys down the sides and built living accommodation off them. That ended up with anything up to a hundred people living down alley maybe a hundred yards long at most. The great movement into towns was precipitated by the Civil War, people seeking refuge from the marauding armies who stole everything off the land. I can bore you to death with this........................so I'll skip a few hundred years

in Tewkesbury the council tried building new houses out of town to improve living conditions for people living down these alleys. I've forgotten the exact quote but even around 1920, the council's ambition was to create one toilet for each 20 people living in the alleys. One problem was that even though the new houses were relatively cheap to rent they were still out of reach for manual labourers. So as each new house was built and someone moved out, someone else took over these hovels just as fast. In the end, the council literally tore the hovels down as they moved the families out. Quite sad as we've lost a lot of history. Still there are enough surviving to understand what it must have been like. people have combined 2,3 or 4 of these old hovels to make quaint houses which even so are still tiny by modern standards.

As time went by, some of the alleys were closed off at the end and these became what we now know as closes. I know that in Liverpool the closes came from building back-to-back houses during the industrial revolution. I've visited the same in Birmingham. At first you think this is quite nice until the guides tell you just how many people were living in each house and close.

Did anyone get to the end? ;-)
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/5/2018 10:49:50 AM
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Yes indeed i read it all. We in our nations that make up uk have a long and varied history. Do you mind, and it was not too long ago the good citizens of chester were entitled to fire an arrow into any welshman who ventured over the border into englandshire?

"Fans of murdering Welshmen with a bow and arrow concerned as medieval laws face axe.

Bow and Arrow murder in Chester now illegal.

Proposed changes to the law could make shooting a Welshman with a bow and arrow from within the city walls of Chester illegal, concerned Englishmen have learned today."
http://newsthump.com/2015/06/03/fans-of-murdering-welshmen-with-a-bow-and-arrow-concerned-as-medieval-laws-face-axe/

And poor us. Having a wee trip down to englandshire for a bit of a ruck years ago gave the city of york the hump. But here still killing us now is bang out of order. Nae wonder we want to bolt eh?...........

"Peculiar laws allowing the killing of Scotsmen in York (providing they are carrying a bow and arrow).

Forbidding anyone from dying in the houses of parliament and permitting women to go topless in Liverpool - if, that is, they work as a clerk in a tropical fish shop - survived the Queen's speech yet again yesterday.

They include puritanical measures passed by Oliver Cromwell, which still forbid the consumption of mince pies on Christmas Day.

"All these laws were considered beneficial at the time they were passed," said Jonathan Coad, head of litigation at the London specialist lawyers Swan Turton. "We may think it is nonsense now, but there was a time when it mattered that no one was allowed to stand within 100 yards of the monarch if they were not wearing stockings, hose or socks."

Other indignities to royals feature prominently in the acts most often cited. It has been illegal since the reign of George I (1660-1727) for a commoner's pet to have carnal knowledge of an animal belonging to the monarch, for example a corgi.

It can still be construed as treason to stick on a postage stamp with the monarch's head upside down.

"In most cases, the implied repeal argument would probably work," said Mr Coad. "Whatever people in York may think about Scotsmen with bows and arrows, they would have a hard time avoiding several centuries of homicide acts."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/nov/07/uk.queensspeech20072

Edinburgh was built on rock left from the ice age. It was really only the royal mile. Castle at the top. Palace of Holyrood at the bottom. Looking towards the castle the closes on the right ended at the Nor Loch. The closes on the left took you to the Cowgate and the Grassmarket.

Rich and poor lived together. Until. The north bridge was built. This spanned over from the royal mile to land at the other side of the Nor Loch.

That is when the new town was built. The wealthy then left en masse to the newtown. And the poor then found out they were REALLY poor.

Merchants offered to build an identical bridge spanning the royal mile across the ravine type thing if they could do it for commercial reasons. Both bridges are identical except ALL south bridge is built on apart from one part left open that linked the grassmarket and the cowgate.

When south bridge opened Edinburgh university sprung up. As did the royal college of surgeons. And it was the surgeons halls need for fresh cadavers to work on and Burke and Hare done the honours.

When eventually captured because the bodies they got were bodies of the folk they murdered.

Hare turned kings evidence and stuck burke in. Burke was hung and the link below has his death mask. Some of his skin was also made into a wallet. Both are on show at The Surgeons Hall museum. About a five minute walk from the royal mile.

https://museum.rcsed.ac.uk/the-collection/key-collections/key-object-page?objID=2628&page=3/

Keep on rockin in the free world.
 duracell_bunny_one
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Posted: 3/6/2018 2:28:48 AM
On the subject of housing - I see the Maybots latest
wizard wheeze is to allow dead shops (there are a few)
to be magically turned into housing - she's obviously
missed the huge numbers that have been so converted
over the last 100 years or so......typical of Government
these days - out of date & out of ideas........

 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 3/6/2018 3:33:10 AM
Just been for Xray on my knee, expect results in a couple of weeks. Did you know radiologists need up to 7 years training after becoming a Doctor?

Anyway, we're very fortunate here in Tewkesbury, we have a lovely new Doctor's clinic incorporating the three clinics we had previously in one building and within the grounds we also have a new local hospital which can cope with the usual run of the mill stuff and some operations.

My appointment was for 9.45 but they were ahead of schedule and so was out by 9.50! The NHS is great when it works.
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Posted: 3/6/2018 9:03:06 AM
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Anyway, we're very fortunate here in Tewkesbury, we have a lovely new Doctor's clinic incorporating the three clinics we had previously in one building and within the grounds we also have a new local hospital which can cope with the usual run of the mill stuff and some operations.

My appointment was for 9.45 but they were ahead of schedule and so was out by 9.50! The NHS is great when it works.*


*Ah yes WHEN it works. We had all these hospitals close down. Edinburgh has a population of just under 500,000.

The Northern General, Bruntsfield Hospital (where my ma died), Corstorphine Hospital, The Elsie Inglis, Leith Hospital, The Princess Margaret Rose, The Royal Victoria Hospital, The City Hospital and the old Royal Infirmary closed down.

Most of the land where these hospitals stood were sold, what a surprise, and now boast many many identikit new build houses.

But a shiny new hospital we got. Aye right.

Built with PFI and owned by consort it cost £180 million to build. The NHS Scotland will pay consort £1.6 BILLION and never own the place. Consort is said to earn £60m a year for running, cleaning** and maintaining Edinburgh Royal Infirmary.

"From 2004
"Hospital boss fears ERI 'may need 100 new beds'

Critics of the ERI have claimed the new hospital would be too small since plans for new facility were first drawn up. The hospital has 960 beds, compared to the 1100 at the old Royal Infirmary at Lauriston Place."
https://www.scotsman.com/news/hospital-boss-fears-eri-may-need-100-new-beds-1-10261

**Cleaning?............
"2002 · OPERATIONS at Edinburgh's flagship new Royal Infirmary have been cancelled when surgical instruments were found to be contaminated - after they were supposed to have been sterilised.
Hospital labour ward contaminated with blood.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com › ...

"2012 · A ROGUE fly has shut down an operating theatre at the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary for the second time ... September 2011: Consort and NHS Lothian communication is criticised after inspectors find dirty ..
https://www.scotsman.com › news › hosp...

"2015 · Birthing balls and a mattress in an Edinburgh hospital labour ward were contaminated with blood, inspectors find. Flies halt ERI operations for second time.

Healthcare Environment Inspectorate (HEI) found “dirty and contaminated” mattresses in the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary's labour ward, A&E and a number of other wards.

Dirty toilets, dusty floors and badly stained walls are found by inspectors during an unannounced visit to Edinburgh Royal Infirmary."

https://www.scotsman.com › news › flies-...
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/6/2018 9:08:00 AM
The pfi built places must be taken back into state hands. Make life difficult for the fvckers lining their pockets. Fine them constantly for health and safety issues. Any money paid MUST go into the uk banking system and not offshore.

This below should have been enough to take the hospital from consort and back into NHS Scotland hands..........


"A health board is consulting its lawyers after surgeons had to complete an operation and keep a patient alive by torchlight when contractors unexpectedly shut off their power last month.

NHS Lothian disclosed that the unscheduled power cut, midway through an operation at Edinburgh Royal Infirmary in late March, shut down all electrical machinery in the theatre for 11 minutes, including breathing machines and heart monitors.

It meant surgical staff had to use hand-ventilators to keep the anesthetised patient breathing in complete darkness for 90 seconds and then by torchlight for another nine-and-a-half minutes, while monitoring the patient's pulse by hand, as surgeons completed the operation without any power.

NHS Lothian said it was "angry and frustrated" and claimed that the private operator that runs the hospital, built under the PFI programme, had repeatedly put patient safety and lives at risk.

Nicola Sturgeon, the Scottish health secretary, backed the board's complaints and urged the hospital's operator, Consort, to "get its act together".

She told BBC Radio Scotland there were robust contingency plans in place to protect patients. But she said: "Make no mistake about it, I share NHS Lothian's anger about this. It's totally unacceptable that this company isn't performing to the standards expected of it, particularly given the huge amounts of public money that it gets paid."

In the latest in a series of incidents involving power and safety failures at the hospital, the electricity to all operating theatres was cut off for 10 minutes on 29 March when scheduled maintenance work started early without warning.

The power cut meant emergency generators were unable to start, forcing surgeons to use torches to finish one operation. A second operation had to be cancelled just as it was about to start.

Among other incidents stretching back a decade, an expectant father had to use the torch app on his smartphone to find his newborn son in a birthing pool when the lights failed last December. There were two power failures in 2003.

In February this year, hospital staff were not told there was only one security guard on a night shift due to sickness. In January, Consort failed to tell the NHS that fire alarms in 10 operating theatres had stopped working; in 2007, it failed to tell the NHS that panic alarms were out of order.

Consort said disciplinary action was under way following the power cut. The firm faces financial penalties under its contract with the NHS.

Alan Boyter, executive director of NHS Lothian, said disciplinary action and a small fine was no longer enough. "We have reached the point where we can no longer tolerate the repeated, serious and potentially life-threatening nature of these incidents at the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh by our PFI provider Consort," he said.

"We are currently consulting with our lawyers to discuss what options we have in relation to the contract and it would be inappropriate to comment further while that is ongoing.

We are angry and frustrated with the performance of our PFI provider Consort."

Under the terms of the PFI deal, agreed 15 years ago, Consort will still own the building when that contract ends, forcing the NHS either to buy the building, sign a new lease or leave.

Dave Watson, head of bargaining in Scotland for the health service union Unison, said the time had come to cancel the PFI contract.

"The health board should now be seeking an exit from this failed arrangement with Consort and at the very least be looking to bring facilities management back in-house."

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/apr/20/nhs-pfi-contract-surgery-blackout
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"Boris Johnson has been criticised as "pathetic" over his response to the apparent poisoning of a former Russian spy, after he appeared to suggest England could pull out of this summer's World Cup."
....and off we go again...........

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Posted: 3/6/2018 3:56:56 PM
Boris Johnson is hyper intelligent.
He will be PM one day. Not a guy to mess with cos he will make Thatcher look like a wee woose.

He is all front... as he likes us to think.... this is the guy that fluffs up his hair before going in front of camera just to act daft.

Beware a blond(e)
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 3/6/2018 7:54:29 PM
Sounds like Trump a little bit, not to be underestimated.

What does everyone think about Meghan Markle? Good choice or not? Anyone think he should have chosen a UK bird?☺
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Posted: 3/6/2018 11:59:34 PM
Erm... when it comes to the Germanic bunch of over priveleged inbreeds, I better stay quiet .
I really do not mind it when foreigners refer to the "Queen of England" cos she sure ain't MY Queen. Caft dunt couldn't even name a ship correctly n caused a bit o trouble over that years ago.


Oh... here's summat for Wrighty... if ye ever venture up tae Glesga, here's summat tae get ye bringin spare tena for men... http://www.gvvt.org/ brilliant wee place. It's now home to LA1 which was the first Leyland Atlantean on the road for Glasgow Corporation... my Ma was the first clippie on it.
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NYer - touchy subject the Royals, it can bring a lot of nastiness out into the open. I'm against the system, the wealth and unearned privileges but is that any different to Trump and his kids who seem to be using the Presidency to promote their businesses.

I suspect we are probably about 50-50 pro / anti in the UK but if there was a vote to keep the monarchy I suspect the support would be a lot higher than that for fear of it being replaced by the American version of a president with all the royal trappings and hangers on (I see Trump just lost another aide!)

Meghan mainly gets a plus in the papers, probably because she's very attractive and will make an excellent clothes horse to be photoed smiling opening things and hugging dying children. There has been a little fuss by some over her colour which has promoted some rather nasty remarks but at least that has outed some of the racists.

For myself, I don't give a stuff. I spent the day in the pub and in bed with a gorgeous girlfriend when Charles and Di got married. When Wills and Katy got married, I rescued a fiercely anti royalist girlfriend by taking her for a walk in the country. I did watch Di's funeral but that was because all the jobs we had for that weekend were cancelled, cost me loads of money.
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this is the guy that fluffs up his hair before going in front of camera just to act daft.

It’s true, I thought he was a comedian when I first saw him years ago on ‘Have I Got News for You’

Chap, I don’t even remember what I was doing on those dates. I really am an eyes wide shut bird when it comes to royals :)
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p.s. I see that not only has Cohn walked out on Trump over the tariffs he's getting sued by Stormy Daniels over a 'hush agreement'. She is alleging that she was giving him a seeing to when Melania (thought that was a disease) was giving birth to Baron (hmmm does that intimate Trumps ambitions).
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Posted: 3/7/2018 2:50:47 AM
More randomness (if only I was as good at being interested in useful things). Watching a program last night by David Starkey. Whilst he's a pompous twat he does explain things pretty good. It was about Magna Carta and it's effects throughout history. That's the charter which people like David Cameron go dewey eyed over when talking about the Mother of Parliaments etc. As one of the peasants though I like to point out that all the clauses relevant to modern law include the phrase "all free men". So the rights supposedly conferred on us were for free men, not the peasants and serfs.

"In England, the end of serfdom began with the Peasants' Revolt in 1381. It had largely died out in England by 1500 as a personal status and was fully ended when Elizabeth I freed the last remaining serfs in 1574"

But the reality of course was that even though the laws said there were no more serfs, the people at the top continued to rule over us, probably still do. Depends how you read history of course but it was only after the first world war ended with the return of millions of heavily armed and angry men that they were given the vote.
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Posted: 3/7/2018 2:52:46 AM
p.s. much of the American Constitution is based on Magna Carta, it has been quoted over 400 times in the American Supreme Court and is represented in one of the 8 door panels at the entrance to the Capitol.
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Posted: 3/7/2018 11:27:47 AM
"Progressives" in shermanland are some of the biggest two faced arseholes in the world. I wrote on the off topic forum when trump was being slated because of his "**** grabbing" remark caught on film. Where was the outcry when trump first said the remark? But their horse lost the race.

But at that moment in time he just an arrogant business man. But trump done something he was never meant to do. He became president. That was not meant to happen. The figure of fun was never going to beat the vile hillary clinton.

That was when the hypocritical "progressives" started digging out trump quotes. Then hollywood suddenly discovered after all these years that harvey weinstein was a sex beast. The same fvckers who got aerated when trump was elected started shrieking.

All the big name "stars" were found out as the hypocrites they are. The same fvckers holding fund raisers for clinton KEPT QUIET FOR YEARS about the hollywood creeps and the abuse of actresses and actors.

How sad that lassies and to a latter extent laddies would put up with that abuse in the vain hope of getting into a film.

Meryl fvckin streep. Harvey abused me to. Yet YOU STILL APPEARED BESIDE HIM for photo shoots. 25 years she said fvck all and let him away with it. Stupid fvckin bint.

Yes george looney, shaun "take this left hook madonna" penn, serial sex pests, cvnts with coke habits that are nearly neck and neck with the GDP of a small nation all said fvck all about Harvey.

I guess the money helped eh? And talking of the above, they never say no when offered $millions to appear in films shooting every one in sight. Maybe the fvckers MAY be taken seriously when they release the latest shite and expect folk with nothing to take their drivel seriously
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Posted: 3/7/2018 11:34:03 AM
When the allegations were first coming out about trump and touching up lassies i wrote on off topic forum that if he was wanting to abuse young impressionable lassies he should have waited till he became president. Which leads to this. And it shows exactly how shallow their "outrage" is?........

"It’s 2002 and I am in TK Maxx in Blackpool, trying to get away from the Blairite zeal of the Labour party conference, when I bump into a minister who is similarly unenamoured. “Bill Clinton is here,” he tells me. “They don’t know which woman to sit next to him at the fundraising dinner. Can’t be young. Or attractive. Because of … well, you know.”

Later that evening, in swooshed the known liar. But no one seemed to mind. I saw cynical hacks behave like daft groupies. Clinton schmoozed everyone. Now at last, it may also be coming for him. Monica Lewinsky, the former White House intern, buoyed up by the #MeToo movement, is finding a way to talk about what happened.

What #MeToo has done is made Lewinsky see the issue of consent differently. For Clinton to win public forgiveness as he appeared to do, a young woman’s life was ruined.

He lied. He lied on camera, and then he had a prayer breakfast and suddenly all the stuff about the accusations of an affair that Hillary had denounced as “a rightwing conspiracy” turned to ash.

But, though a tearful Clinton said he was “a broken spirit”, he still got standing ovations. It was Lewinsky’s life that stopped.

At 24, in 1998, she was bundled into a hotel room by a group of FBI agents overseen by Ken Starr and told that unless she cooperated she could face 27 years in prison. They had tapes, made by her “friend” Linda Tripp. Clinton may have lied but, forced to give evidence to a grand jury, Lewinsky was fixed for ever in the public imagination.

The US academic and writer Camille Paglia said she offered herself up as a “dessert cart” to the president. She wanted to hug him so bad, “I could cry”, she wrote. She felt he had “a beautiful soul”. She wrote reams of romantic tosh, but she was pilloried as a woman with the wrong appetites. She was not a victim but a sluttish vamp

She was abandoned by those who should have supported her.

Prominent feminists, all of them Democrat supporters, dismissed her as a bit of junk sex. Clinton liked his junk food; he was, as Hillary once said, “a hard dog to keep on the porch”. Lewinsky, this narcissistic, silly girl in a stained blue dress, was punished for his sins. She was disposable. Erica Jong and Maureen Dowd, among others, made that clear.

The person that a nation might turn to for reassurance during a crisis – the president – was “absent”. He was also lying. This is worth noting every time some lie or other of the current president is exposed.*

“Sure, my boss took advantage of me,” she wrote then. The abuse came after, in order to protect his power. What happened she now says, was “a gross of abuse of power”. Indeed he was 27 years older than her, and the most powerful man on the planet.

Trump, of course, was happy enough to use women who had accused Clinton of sexual harassment as part of his election campaign. On the campaign trail, Hillary Clinton was asked about Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick and Kathleen Willey. Elsewhere, she had said women should be believed.

Likewise, certain kinds of men who are on “our side” are let off with being laddy, gropey, handsy, rapey – because, hell knows, the other lot are worse. A group called LabourToo has submitted a dossier to the party’s leadership alleging 43 incidents of sexual harassment including groping and rape within the party.

Yet we end up shocked that aid workers and the husband of a murdered MP might have behaved “inappropriately” with women. Sexual harassment is the rule, but the culture treats it as the exception.#MeToo shatters this illusion. This is its value.

Clinton exploited this woman.Trump didn’t come from nowhere, yet we ask how we can have a man who talks of ****-grabbing in the White House.

How, we repeatedly still ask, do powerful men get away with abusing others for so long? Surely someone knew. Yes, we all knew."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/01/monica-lewinsky-bill-clinton-abuse-power

*yep the same arseholes getting all worked up and indignant over trumps behaviour in the past have NO RIGHT to lecture on 'morals' or sexual exploitation because THEY HELPED FACILITATE sexual exploitation by keeping quiet because the exploiter was ONE OF THEIR OWN.

New Yorker
This article below is a belter. Some of the biggest gobs about the use of power to sexually abuse lassies did not give a shit when clinton done the abusing.......

http://observer.com/1998/02/new-york-supergals-love-that-naughty-prez/#axzz31W9pqD9x
 RoxyMoronic
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Posted: 3/7/2018 11:42:05 AM
Stormy wants the contract to keep her mouth shut void saying trump never signed it. Surely accepting the hush money means it’s legit?
I’m no legal eagle though.

Politics is all about shaming people against you while covering up the vices of the people you stand with. Bit like family lol
 duracell_bunny_one
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Posted: 3/7/2018 12:10:57 PM
I suspect that if the deal was enacted by someone on (officially) Trumps behalf
she's stuffed - again.

 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/7/2018 1:42:52 PM
Ah politicians and sleaze eh? Edinburgh South constituency returned a tory to westmonster. That odious slug michael ancram held the seat from 1979 until 1987. Nigel griffiths won a surprising victory. Working with my mate jmmy kerr, who used to be a labour counseler back in the day i asked why did griffiths stand as a candidate?

He told me that Edinburgh South had always been tory so come the election nigel got the nod. Jimmy said he was a nice laddie but they thought he had no chance. Then he won. Jimmy told me that alister darling was raging at this because nigel got to westmonster before he did.

Soooo 2009 i was battling RBS through the FSA because i followed their advise and they screwed me over. So a pal of mine worked for nigel and his missus cleaning their house in a nice leafy area called The Grange where houses cost a right few £'s.

She told him about my battling RBS and he told her that i was to write my grievance down and he would do what he could. My pal dropped the letter of at nigels house. And then this hit the tabloids.............

"MP Nigel Griffiths faces sleaze inquiry over sex shame

Senior Labour MP Nigel Griffiths faces a Parliamentary sleaze inquiry after admitting that he cheated on his wife by having a sexual liaison with another woman in his House of Commons office.

Mr Griffiths initially denied being unfaithful to his wife of 30 years, but admitted that the encounter with an un-named woman had taken place after a Sunday tabloid produced photographs of their tryst on a sofa in his Parliamentary office.

His wife Sally is said to be staying with friends having learned of the encounter at the weekend. The Prime Minister was best man at the couple's wedding.

Reading a prepared statement outside his home in the Newington area of Edinburgh, the former Deputy Leader of the Commons said that he was "deeply sorry," for his behaviour, adding: ``I am, of course, ashamed my conduct fell below acceptable standards. I have little recollection of the evening but that doesn't make it right.''

Friends of the MP suggested that he had been drinking heavily before meeting the young woman."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/5038632/MP-Nigel-Griffiths-faces-sleaze-inquiry-over-sex-shame.html

So that was my problem kicked right into touch. If only the arsehole had waited a few months.

As for my hoose? RBS eventually let me sell it. I was owe them £16,000. My mate was going to knock the auld hoose down and we had drawings made to build two semi detached houses on the land. I was getting one of the houses in return for the land.

My mate offered to pay them £10,000 cash and i would sign an irreversible mandate and pay the rest with interest on a contract because i would have a house as collateral.

Anyway the houses did get built. But not by us. I got £80,000 for the land. The drawings were included in the sale. The geezer who bought the place built the houses. £165,000 for each one.

RBS have subsequently paid me back PPI payments amounting to just under £9,000.

I hate RBS.
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