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 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
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"sounds like something that could save lives"

>>>it isn't going to do much against a truck bomb. And, as we discovered before, when we put killer satellites up in space...no other country sits still for it, they do a "space race" just like they used to do "missile p#ssing contests" and the budget of every country participating is wasted on it, when it could have been used on their poor or their infrastructure....and, of course, THAT is the real, tangible thing that actually does save lives.

but putting killer sats in space? well, guess who we'll buy all the semi-conductors for those devices from? Oh yeah, that same Asian country we've having a tariff war with.

and really, anyone with a brain knows....its just another distraction, from just another scandal, this time pulling families apart like they did to Jews going to Auschwitz. Even Ted Cruz realizes how bad it looks come election time. it may be the first time in recorded history Melanoma spoke out against her husband bullying people around.

Be best.
 NewYorker58
Joined: 6/11/2013
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Posted: 6/19/2018 7:21:33 PM
I do believe the parents are at fault for committing a crime and bringing their children along. You do know that a lot of those kids are older boys that came here on their own. No one separated them from their parents.

If I committed a crime, I would go to jail and have my child taken from me also. Where's the outrage over it happening to US citizens?👂

Is that a stock tip, invest in semiconductors? You do know we manufacture semiconductors, as do our friends abroad, like South Korea?
 mungo_joe
Joined: 3/13/2018
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Posted: 6/23/2018 10:17:27 AM

If I committed a crime, I would go to jail and have my child taken from me also.

Really...??? Do you honestly believe that to be true... or an even vaguely realistic perception...?

You do know that people who commit crimes and DON'T go to jail... vastly outnumber those who commit crimes and DO go to jail...? Vastly outnumber...

You do also know that... removing a child... because the parent committed a crime... only rarely happens to American citizens... This is even true for people who do go to jail... why do you think that there are children in the visiting rooms of prisons and jails...?

I mean seriously... if you are going to try to justify something... at least use real facts... and real situations to do it...
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
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Posted: 6/23/2018 10:26:24 AM
Going to the border and asking for asylum is not a crime.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 305
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Posted: 6/30/2018 7:23:08 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/there-are-signs-north-korea-is-still-working-on-its-nuclear-program-here’s-why-‘denuclearization’-is-so-problematic/ar-AAzoAtu?ocid=spartandhp

well, so far, not so good. too bad.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 306
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Posted: 7/31/2018 4:23:58 AM
Newly obtained evidence, including satellite photos taken in recent weeks, indicates that work is underway on at least one and possibly two liquid-fueled ICBMs at a large research facility in Sanumdong, on the outskirts of Pyongyang, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe classified intelligence.

The findings are the latest to show ongoing activity inside North Korea’s nuclear and missile facilities at a time when the country’s leaders are engaged in arms talks with the United States. The new intelligence does not suggest an expansion of North Korea’s capabilities but shows that work on advanced weapons is continuing weeks after President Trump declared in a Twitter posting that Pyongyang was “no longer a Nuclear Threat.”
The reports about new missile construction come after recent revelations about a suspected uranium enrichment facility, called Kangson, that North Korea is operating in secret. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo acknowledged during Senate testimony last week that North Korean factories “continue to produce fissile material” used in making nuclear weapons. He declined to say whether Pyongyang is building new missiles.
During a summit with Trump in June, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un agreed to a vaguely worded pledge to “work toward” the “denuclearization” of the Korean Peninsula. But since then, North Korea has made few tangible moves signaling an intention to disarm.
"The exception, the officials said, is the Sohae Satellite Launching Station on North Korea’s west coast, where workers can be observed dismantling an engine test stand, honoring a promise made to Trump at the summit.
Many analysts and independent experts, however, see that dismantling as largely symbolic, since North Korea has now successfully launched ICBMs that use the kind of liquid-fueled engines tested at Sohae. Moreover, the test stand could easily be rebuilt within months.
Buttressing the intelligence findings, independent missile experts this week also reported observing activity consistent with missile construction at the Sanumdong plant. The daily movement of supply trucks and other vehicles, as captured by commercial satellite photos, shows that the missile facility “is not dead, by any stretch of the imagination,” said Jeffrey Lewis, director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies. The Monterey, Calif., nonprofit group analyzed commercial photos obtained from the satellite imagery firm Planet Labs Inc.
“It’s active. We see shipping containers and vehicles coming and going,” Lewis said of the Sanumdong plant. “This is a facility where they build ICBMs and space-launch vehicles.”
Intriguingly, one image, taken July 7, depicts a bright-red covered trailer in a loading area. The trailer appears identical to those used by North Korea in the past to transport ICBMs. How the trailer was being used at the time of the photograph is unclear."
"Lewis’s group also published images of a large industrial facility that some U.S. intelligence analysts believe to be the Kangson uranium enrichment plant. The images, first reported by the online publication the Diplomat, depict a football-field-size building surrounded by a high wall, in North Korea’s Chollima-guyok district, southwest of the capital. The complex has a single, guarded entrance and features high-rise residential towers apparently used by workers.
Historical satellite photos show that the facility was externally complete by 2003. U.S. intelligence agencies believe that it has been operational for at least a decade. If so, North Korea’s stockpile of enriched uranium could be substantially higher than is commonly believed. U.S. intelligence agencies in recent months increased their estimates of the size of North Korea’s nuclear arsenal, taking into account enriched uranium from at least one secret enrichment site.
The Kangson facility was first publicly identified in May in a Washington Post article that cited research by nuclear weapons expert David Albright. Some European intelligence officials are not convinced that the Kangson site is used for uranium enrichment. But there is a broad consensus among U.S. intelligence agencies that Kangson is one of at least two secret enrichment plants."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-spy-agencies-north-korea-is-working-on-new-missiles/ar-BBLhxFf?ocid=spartandhp
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 307
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Posted: 7/31/2018 5:49:18 PM
Do you mean Trump didn't make the deal of the century when he met with Kim Jong Un ,and told him he's being naughty for dabbling in nuclear missles, with Un saying "I'm sawwy"? We'll have to wait and see how Trump plays it out-if he goes back to calling him Rocket Man, or ignores it. Trump should offer him a guest room in the White House, next to Putin's guest room. That way, all three dictators can get together and talk shop-discuss the best ways to dispose of people who are considered a nuisance.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 308
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Posted: 8/1/2018 5:54:25 AM
yep i'm saying Chump pulled another Carrier. The Art of the Deal, is stinking like the Fart of the Deal. And since he didn't lock NK into a treaty, they're free to do WTF ever they want. I'm betting he's gonna ignore it, b/c his fan base will too--anything that disturbs their wet dream, they just pretend doesn't exist. When that 4.1% turns into a nothing burger, Sandinmyhead won't even bother to come back and post about it. But someone will be like the adult who peaked early in high school with the winning touchdown...hey, remember that minute we had 4.1%?
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 8/1/2018 7:13:20 AM
I don't know what you cretins don't understand, it's a work-in-progress with no guarantees. Trump didn't guarantee anything. He made the deal. He said he doesn't know if rocket man will comply.
 tomfiend
Joined: 7/19/2018
Msg: 310
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Posted: 8/1/2018 7:28:34 AM
^^^^^Then there is no deal...so why did US give up so much for nothing?
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 8/1/2018 7:37:22 AM
It's a deal. Whether a person sticks to a deal always remains to be seen. The news reported and showed a video of the missile site being dismantled. The remains of soldiers are being shipped back. What did we give up?
 tomfiend
Joined: 7/19/2018
Msg: 312
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Posted: 8/1/2018 7:41:20 AM
^^^^nope...a deal means an agreement based on delineated terms. No such thing as a deal in principal or a deal to deal in the future. No terms, no agreement..no deal. Simple logic.
 tomfiend
Joined: 7/19/2018
Msg: 313
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Posted: 8/1/2018 7:43:09 AM
Try buying a house on an agreement you will agree to pay something for the house in the future.

maintain the highest quality forums you are restricted to having no more then 2 of the last 10 posts on a thread.
Since 2 of the last 10 posts are yours you can not post to this thread.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 314
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Posted: 8/1/2018 8:44:29 AM
so, we're all agreeing, Chump hasn't accomplished anything that Hillary's husband didn't already accomplish--only to be undone by a Republican (Sounds familiar).

"Between 1990 and 2005, 229 sets were returned, but this halted as relations deteriorated with the development of North Korea's nuclear ambitions. "

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44976947

If Bush II hadn't labeled NK an Axis of Evil, we could have continued the progress made by a Democrat. What we have given up so far is the war games, which are presumably done to keep our troops ready when they rotate into what is a relatively active war zone, and presumably have shown our Pacific Allies that we aren't ready to stand firm with them, between gutting the TPP that kept China out in the cold, and giving NK credence by agreeing to meet them.

we'll see how it shakes loose, but so far...
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 8/1/2018 9:09:30 AM
A deal isn't worth the paper it's written on if it won't be honored, so verbal agreements are as good as any. People have contracts for all sorts of things where parties back out whether it is to buy a house or a car or contract to have someone build a house or work at your house. People back out of contracts all the time. It comes down to if the person had the intention to fulfill what they agreed upon whether verbal or contracted upon.

Trump's showing up only gave gravitas to the deal, not Kim Jong Un. What was Trump to do, if not meet with him? What democrat made progress and what would that progress be? You don't mean Clinton? He didn't like the agreement, so he didn't go, that's progress? Trump is dealing with a different person, and it's a different deal.

So, you're saying he's stopping war games even if rocket man doesn't follow thru?

 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 316
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Posted: 8/1/2018 9:13:53 AM

It's a deal. Whether a person sticks to a deal always remains to be seen.


Hmmm...I suppose some would consider buying beachfront property in Vostok, Antarctica, to be a "deal" to buy into if Trump told them it was a good deal, just like so many other of his flops he suckered people into believing over his lifetime. You're buying into the fact there was a deal made about something that is as non-existent as beachfront property in Vostock, Antartctica.


The news reported and showed a video of the missile site being dismantled.

It was a missile "test site", not a production facility. I guess some don't understand that once a product is tested to the point of functionality, further testing of the same product is no longer required. That the news reported and showed a video of the missile "test" site being dismantled isn't any clear proof of anything concrete occurring. Then again, some people would believe watching a magician pull a coin from an ear on TV would be proof of it actually occurring.


The remains of soldiers are being shipped back.

Of whom and what, you have no idea as yet and will not for a number of years.


What did we give up?

What was given up was that which was sought by Kim - to confer legitimacy upon the Kim regime by simply meeting him. A meeting at which there was no agreement of denuclearization. Ah, but you say, missile testing has stopped. It's not the testing that annihilates, it's the actual firing of a missile directed at a target that annihilates. Ask Japan if the U.S. testing the A-bomb elsewhere and then stopping for a time was proof that they didn't have the ability to use Japan as the actual target when they felt the desire to do so.

But, hey, you got 50 containers of yet to be identified remains - I can almost hear your false Trump mantra of "winning" as I type.


It comes down to if the person had the intention to fulfill what they agreed upon whether verbal or contracted upon.

Exactly where do you have proof that there was either a verbal or written agreement? Would that be the same place where you have found proof of what Trump discussed with Putin for 2 hours? Mindlessly gullible.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 317
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Posted: 8/1/2018 2:12:11 PM
"A deal isn't worth the paper its written on, if it won't be honored...people back out of contracts all the time."

>>>Like all the Obama deals Chump has taken us out of, from TPP to the deal with Iran. who would trust anything signed by the man who admits it was policy to stiff contractors?

http://fortune.com/2016/09/30/donald-trump-stiff-contractors/

Chump could have just sent representatives, as other presidents have, but it was better for his brand to go meet, so he did, and that gave Kim a big boost, to be met by POTUS. He's no longer some two-bit dictator. Chump has given up on war games and openly considered taking troops out, while giving NK security assurances (not helping matters was John Bolton's comparison to Libya giving up its nukes--leading to the death of Kadaffy Duck).

"That same year, the U.S. discovered Kim Il Sung’s covert nuclear program using satellite imagery, and North Korea kept developing weapons even after agreeing with South Korea not to test or manufacture nukes. As a result, the International Atomic Energy Agency, an autonomous nuclear oversight organization that reports directly to the United Nations, asked to conduct inspections of North Korean nuclear sites in 1992 and 1993. North Korea refused, and threatened to back out of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
This represented a double crisis for then-President Clinton. Republicans in Congress pressured him not to negotiate with North Korea, but the international community and Democrats argued that engagement was the only solution. Meanwhile, North Korea escalated its rhetoric, telling the United States that North Korea would turn Seoul into “a sea of flames” if the U.S. pursued sanctions through the United Nations.
"The U.S. considered military intervention, but also sent Jimmy Carter to Pyongyang to meet with Kim Il Sung. Carter convinced Kim to start nuclear talks—but the day negotiations were supposed to begin, Kim died. He was succeeded by his son, Kim Jong Il, the very man who founded the most controversial nuclear complex in North Korea, a facility in Yongbyon.
Things looked grim, but Clinton became increasingly convinced that direct negotiations were the only way. However, American negotiators doubted from the start that diplomacy would work. “The initial contacts were to test the proposition that we could address their security concerns by getting them to give up their nuclear weapons,” Robert Gallucci, the chief negotiator, told Beyond Parallel in a 2016 interview. “It was not so much of a conviction on anybody’s part…It was possibly true, and worth testing.”
For 16 months, Gallucci and his team conducted intense negotiations with North Korea. The countries locked horns on what it would take for North Korea to stop producing nukes. Finally, they came to an agreement—the Agreed Framework.
Just four pages long, the agreement said that North Korea would shut down its main nuclear reactor in Yongbyon, abandon two others, and seal fuel that could potentially be used to create a nuclear weapon. In exchange, the U.S. would provide oil to make up for the fuel lost from the dismantled plants and would build two new “light fuel” plants from which it would be harder to extract nuclear materials. If North Korea did try to get fuel out of the new plants, it would be easy for nuclear watchdogs to identify—and hard to hide. In addition, the agreement promised that the U.S. would lift economic sanctions and its diplomatic freeze on North Korea and agree that it would not use nuclear weapons of its own on North Korea. "


https://www.history.com/news/north-korea-nuclear-deal-bill-clinton-agreed-framework
 tomfiend
Joined: 7/19/2018
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Posted: 8/1/2018 2:29:40 PM

A deal isn't worth the paper it's written on if it won't be honored, so verbal agreements are as good as any. People have contracts for all sorts of things where parties back out whether it is to buy a house or a car or contract to have someone build a house or work at your house. People back out of contracts all the time. It comes down to if the person had the intention to fulfill what they agreed upon whether verbal or contracted upon.


Actually, there is a huge difference, a "deal" is oftentimes enforceable...I won't go into the technicalities A non-deal is never enforceable because there is nothing to enforce.
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