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 julystorm7
Joined: 12/25/2017
Msg: 51
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Yes, but you were asking what is the male equivalent to cleavage. There are many awful women with nice knockers. I was just saying wallet/car is a comparable asset when looking at men. Women are attracted to it but it's only the bait. Just like a good pair of boobs is bait to men.
 basilisk123
Joined: 12/17/2011
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Posted: 5/10/2018 7:54:49 AM
^^^^ This is true, but I think the thread is dedicated to body-part-to-body-part equivalency.
 julystorm7
Joined: 12/25/2017
Msg: 53
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Posted: 5/10/2018 8:17:09 AM
As a woman, aside from face, it's height and build that is the drawing factor when it comes to physical assets. Tall guys who look strong attract me. I know a lot of guys seem to think penis size matters a lot. For me that is definitely not the case. I have zero interest in the size, I guess it's what they can do with it that counts. And I HATE HATE HATE getting sent****pics yet so many guys online seem to think women love them.
 RoxyMoronic
Joined: 6/7/2016
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Posted: 5/10/2018 10:19:21 AM
I’m drawn to the allure of women’s boobs when they’re bouncing out the top of clothes. Not so much in static pics.
I positively hate looking down and seeing my own Don DeLillos trying to make an appearance so I avoid tops that will cause this to happen.
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Posted: 5/10/2018 10:55:27 AM

a good pair of boobs is bait to men

Not me. Legs are my bait. Mmm...
 cooldog65
Joined: 6/27/2011
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Posted: 5/10/2018 11:01:41 AM
Booty is my bait...
 siisaa
Joined: 8/6/2017
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Posted: 5/10/2018 2:14:54 PM
Re: demonizing men for liking cleavage or women for liking status.

It's normal for men to want sex and it's normal for women to want a man with high earning potential. In fact, I'd think there was something wrong with a person if they DIDN'T want those things. The problem arises when you reduce the person to what you hope to gain from them, a hot wet hole or meal ticket, without any consideration or care to what else they have to offer.
 basilisk123
Joined: 12/17/2011
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Posted: 5/10/2018 2:35:19 PM
"Re: demonizing men for liking cleavage or women for liking status. "-siisaa

I don't think anyone demonized these two groups recently.
It was a valid discussion of if wealth should be counted as an attractive trait that is equivalent to a woman's cleavage.
The men of the group view it as not equivalent. Mainly because wealth cannot be counted as a direct indicator of hard work and good character like july described.
I pointed out that this discussion should be a body part only discussion. Anything else is too vague and abstract.
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Posted: 5/10/2018 3:55:02 PM
I done told you guys...hehe...the male equivalent of cleavage is to have your pants pushed down a little in the front to show a little neck, and let her know that if she plays her cards right then she might get to see the rest of it.

It's normal for men to want sex and it's normal for women to want a man with high earning potential.

This doesn't quite jive though if the woman is someone concerned with certain elements of equality, like financial independence and equality, and not being a housewife. Or not being willing to get a prenup. Or if she makes sure that she gets sex but whines about being slut shamed. Or if she swears to god that what she really cares about primarily is character, not worldly status.
 julystorm7
Joined: 12/25/2017
Msg: 60
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Posted: 5/10/2018 5:12:44 PM
Earning potential is important but it's not because I want someone to take care of me. I just want someone who can take care of themself and contribute. I'm a well-educated woman who works fulltime and I want a guy to be the same. Zero interest in having a house husband or a lazy pos that wants me to slave away while he plays video games or something.
 Kissfromarose77
Joined: 4/2/2018
Msg: 61
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Posted: 5/10/2018 7:39:54 PM
July, plenty of men also wouldn’t want to support a lazy woman. A house husband isn’t necessarily lazy - it can be a full time job looking after a home and kids - that’s what women have been saying for years. I would love to come back after working overtime to find that my laundry is folded, the floors have been vacuumed and there’s a hot meal waiting for me. Some men would make hard-working stay-at-home dads.
 julystorm7
Joined: 12/25/2017
Msg: 62
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Posted: 5/11/2018 12:03:21 AM
I would love to have gotten the chance to be a stay-at-home mother but that ship has clearly sailed. If I worked outside the home and my kid's dad got to be the stay-at-home parent I would be extremely resentful. I'm definitely not the type of feminist who wants gender roles reversed.
 Kissfromarose77
Joined: 4/2/2018
Msg: 63
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Posted: 5/11/2018 3:14:52 AM
The way I look at it, women have also been providers throughout history. In hunter and gathering cultures men are the hunters but women are the gatherers. That means that women gather half or sometimes up to 80% of the food. Archeologists and anthropologists also believe that women, not men started agriculture - it was just a modification of gathering.

As for women being attracted to build on a man, I would never want to be like those tanned, oiled-up body builders. Their pecs are bigger than most women’s boobs. It looks disgusting.
 MeramecRiverRat
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Posted: 5/11/2018 7:52:45 AM
Would say the closest equivalent to women's photos showing cleavage are men's photos flaunting pecs.

I consider cleavage in a main thumbnail a negative thing, and am less likely to click on the profile.

If she wants to have a photo with cleavage, I believe it's best if it's not the main thumbnail *and* she crops the thumbnail so the thumbnail shows her face/neck, cropped above the cleavage. That way, the guy who views is more likely to be decent and his interest is based on her eyes and her words; if he happens to like the photo, it's a "reward" for viewing her profile and clicking on the other photo.

I prefer an active outside photo where she's more likely to wear something practical that wouldn't show cleavage. Thin active gals are more likely to have smaller ones, and gals with any size are more likely to have on something to keep them from bouncing, typically having a minimizing effect visually. For example a gal who runs might have a sports bra and will probably have something else on top of that.

Agree with the previous poster who said it's more enjoyable in person than with a static image. I prefer when the gal has a flexible outfit that keeps her modest when she wants, but can position herself to show a bit for the right guy. Also agree with the poster who prefers legs.

One of my favorite types of photo is when she has ultra long hair and lets a lot of it fall in front. Such photos make the chest a mystery. Lots of artwork over the years does this to be decent, for example paintings depicting Eve.

One of the worst incidents involving cleavage in recent years was when Victoria's Secret designed an extremely expensive bra that somehow created the illusion of cleavage on Taylor Swift, who has the body of a boy and who you would think would be impossible to have any. I dislike her for many reasons, and this shows she's a bad role model for encouraging girls to try to have cleavage and to go to great lengths to simulate it. It would be better for her to embrace / own her flatness. There are countless tops that a girl with small-uns can wear and look feminine.
 norwegianguy456
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Posted: 5/12/2018 1:05:08 PM

Definitely soft feminine hands OMG. My boyfriend has the softest most beautuful hands Iv ever seen on a guy. They're basically like mine but maybe softer. So nice to hold hands and feel them

Wait -- isn't he like a UFC-type fighter? How do those two things go together?? :)

There are many awful women with nice knockers. I was just saying wallet/car is a comparable asset when looking at men.

But it's comparing apples & oranges, though. It's really not very comparable. A gal isn't going to be looking into a guy's wallet or see his car much the time before guy-approaches-gal. It would be like if we lived in a wholesome society where all gals wore fluffy sweaters where you couldn't tell their cleavage until you already got them naked.

Plus, it's just conceptually different, even though the car/wallet thing can rev up mild attraction -> solid attraction for Some girls. Car/wallet thing can't be bait unless you're in an environment where there's gals who go ga-ga over that + putting it on display like a pair of hooters. :)
 julystorm7
Joined: 12/25/2017
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Posted: 5/13/2018 1:16:37 AM
I disagree. It is comparable.

Girls flaunt their boobs in profile pics.
Guys flaunt their cars or their professions in their profile.

Some women's boobs are emphasized by a pushup bra.
Some men's money is emphasized by expensive-looking clothes.

An ugly woman with great big boobs might attract action.
An ugly man with a great big wallet might attract action.

Well-boobed women can have awful personalities.
Rich men can have awful personalities.

A man reaches into a woman's shirt for her boobs.
A woman reaches into a man's pocket for his wallet.
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Posted: 5/13/2018 3:44:47 AM

it's just conceptually different


I disagree. It is comparable.

Girls flaunt their boobs in profile pics.
Guys flaunt their cars or their professions in their profile.

Some women's boobs are emphasized by a pushup bra.
Some men's money is emphasized by expensive-looking clothes.

An ugly woman with great big boobs might attract action.
An ugly man with a great big wallet might attract action.

Well-boobed women can have awful personalities.
Rich men can have awful personalities.

A man reaches into a woman's shirt for her boobs.
A woman reaches into a man's pocket for his wallet.

It's just that there are so many bad implications here that so many people claim to be against and complain about...so for whoever it's all true for, doesn't say much good about them to me.
 julystorm7
Joined: 12/25/2017
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Posted: 5/13/2018 8:12:26 AM
Lol, but just because its wrong doesnt mean it's not done. We all grew up getting taught that it's the inside that counts but men can be lured by a good set of boobs just like women can be lured by a wallet.
 basilisk123
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Posted: 5/13/2018 8:26:19 AM
^^^ Indeed, some people are just that incredibly shallow. I feel sad for them.
 SS4544Spd
Joined: 8/31/2016
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Posted: 5/13/2018 9:23:20 AM
Merramec wrote:
If she wants to have a photo with cleavage, I believe it's best if it's not the main thumbnail *and* she crops the thumbnail so the thumbnail shows her face/neck, cropped above the cleavage.
But ma, that's where the fun is.


That way, the guy who views is more likely to be decent
Easy there. I take that as a disparaging remark about men who are hopeless cleavage clickers. It may be time to start a movement. I think I'll organize a march on Washington for cleavage clicking men, and we'll carry mice and wear breast hats on our heads.


and his interest is based on her eyes and her words; if he happens to like the photo, it's a "reward" for viewing her profile and clicking on the other photo.
You just want us cleavage clickers to be forced to work much harder. If we get carpal tunnel, we're filing a lawsuit.


I prefer an active outside photo where she's more likely to wear something practical that wouldn't show cleavage.
The problem is a man needs to have somewhat of a gauge on her body. I suppose this works the other way, though, but not as much. The dress/clothing should at least give a man an idea of what her body's like/what type of physical shape she's in. Otherwise, the only way a man can collect and analyze that particular dataset is, um, when there's nothing blocking collection of that data. In other words, a guy needs to have a good idea what her body's like before jumping in the sack. Otherwise there is a risk of the "big reveal" being a "big disappointment." I don't think either party wants that.j


Agree with the previous poster who said it's more enjoyable in person than with a static image.
I guess a blowup doll is out of the question then.


I prefer when the gal has a flexible outfit that keeps her modest when she wants, but can position herself to show a bit for the right guy.
I agree. For example, a top cut just low enough to spark curiousity, i.e., something where you know you're gonna try to peek, just at the right time, and maybe see something, given the chance.


One of the worst incidents involving cleavage in recent years
Does someone keep track of "cleavage incidents?" What constitutes a "good" cleavage incident? Maybe an incident involving me?


she's a bad role model for encouraging girls to try to have cleavage
I think that ship has sailed though

Norwegian:
How do those two things go together?? :)
Those two things together is what creates cleaveage. I thought you were more experienced than that, Norwegian.
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 5/13/2018 9:42:37 AM
Julystorm:
Well-boobed women can have awful personalities.
Rich men can have awful personalities.

I still think that while showing the outward signs of being "rich," i.e. dressing flashy and having a nice car, can attract women.... it's still confidence and personality are what really does the attracting. Most men who show "bling" tend to have flashy personalities, too. Whether they can afford that bling or not. Sometimes it's not bling, but lifestyle...i.e. if a guy has a lake home, boats, motorcycles, etc....it represents a fun lifestyle that's attractive to a woman. If a guy is rich, yet boring, I don't think he attracts women as much. Maybe more than a poor guy, but still...it's the confidence and personality that is attractive to a woman. And men that are confident tend to be richer and more successful financially, or can at least act like they are.
 Coma_White
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Posted: 5/13/2018 1:21:35 PM

I disagree. It is comparable.

Girls flaunt their boobs in profile pics.
Guys flaunt their cars or their professions in their profile.

Some women's boobs are emphasized by a pushup bra.
Some men's money is emphasized by expensive-looking clothes.

An ugly woman with great big boobs might attract action.
An ugly man with a great big wallet might attract action.

Well-boobed women can have awful personalities.
Rich men can have awful personalities.

A man reaches into a woman's shirt for her boobs.
A woman reaches into a man's pocket for his wallet.


That's true. Men are more in love with the women as a person and women are more in love with what the man can do for her or what kind of vacations he can take her on. A wealthy man will date a good looking pizza delivery girl but you won't see that in reverse.
 norwegianguy456
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Posted: 5/13/2018 2:28:06 PM

Girls flaunt their boobs in profile pics.
Guys flaunt their cars or their professions in their profile.

First, one's about sexual attraction -- directly, the other's not. Even if one's not a "boob guy", it's going to increase her Looks/Sexual Attraction doing so, flaunting or no flaunting. Saying you have a certain type of job and have a picture of a nice car -- not only does not bear the same weight universally -- but it's taken as a grain of salt by many gals who have been online, isn't sexual attraction directly, and with many it's about not having a sh!tty car, apartment, etc. And IRL, you're not bringing your car into the bar/event/shindig to mingle with the ladies, but she certainly is bringing her b00bs in there.

Point is, they don't bear the same weight as comparisons. It'd be like saying a gal with great b00bs (always increasing looks), is the same as a guy who has access to pot. With select girls -- yeah, it can mean that, or even more -- but it's not universal, it's not direct. Best to compare more like a ripped guy VS a gal with big boobs. I think the thing is -- you can compare body to body on guys & gals, but guys don't have that "one thing" that sticks out like b00bs can. Unless we walked around pantsless. :)
 Kissfromarose77
Joined: 4/2/2018
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Posted: 5/13/2018 3:02:24 PM

That's true. Men are more in love with the women as a person and women are more in love with what the man can do for her or what kind of vacations he can take her on. A wealthy man will date a good looking pizza delivery girl but you won't see that in reverse.


Hey, and I thought women were supposed to be the less shallow sex.

I don’t think that big boobs are a deal breaker for a woman. I’ve never heard a guy say that he wouldn’t date a woman because her boobs weren’t big enough. If a woman has nice eyes, an attractive face, and a healthy body, her boob size shouldn’t matter.
 MachIMustangII
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Posted: 5/13/2018 6:20:05 PM
I hadn't known there was an attempt to give Taylor Swift Kick in the Ass some cleavage. She's too skinny for my tastes but does have a pretty face and some semblance of talent, so she shouldn't need much else...and Tom Hiddleston probably agreed at one time. Sounds more like a sell-out attempt to cash in, and that would be a pity, since she is supposed to be a role model for gals young enough to have body issues.

"We all grew up getting taught that it's the inside that counts"

>>>And boy do we try to get it inside.

"Most men who show "bling" tend to have flashy personalities, too. Whether they can afford that bling or not. Sometimes it's not bling, but lifestyle...i.e. if a guy has a lake home, boats, motorcycles, etc....it represents a fun lifestyle that's attractive to a woman. "

>>>true dis. Sometimes we look so hard at the tree bark, we miss the forest. and NG raises a point, everywhere a woman goes, she brings her body along. When I see a nubile young thing at the beach, i'm not wondering whether or not she has a VW convertible in the parking lot. And Kiss is right, just b/c a woman doesn't have a ridiculous rack, doesn't mean she's going to stay a spinster--I was just at the casino catching Savoy Brown (boy, he still has it), and there were plenty of ladies in evening dresses who didn't have cup size, but sure had dates.

Cleavage is a physical attribute we first spot. It can help make a decision to go find out more about the person. I'm not sure what body part men take every place they go, that make women horny. it may just depend upon the gal's particulars. maybe she's an ass man, er, woman.
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