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 ssm508
Joined: 5/27/2018
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I think some women on the forums that claim not to like shirtless pictures are being honest. It's just their viewpoint may not apply to the majority of women that use OLD.
 MadameBoisseau
Joined: 5/11/2017
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Posted: 6/17/2018 7:44:44 PM

basilisk123: What makes you say, "DAMN! I got to check him out"?


Values and Education. Seriously. I can go outside, lift a leg and attract a dozen men in 30 minutes. But finding a man of morality to build a relationship with? That's rare. Education and values are the best predictors for long lasting partners.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
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Posted: 6/17/2018 7:56:05 PM
"education and values are the best predictors for long lasting partners"

>>as an educated man, i'd actually argue that. the people who stick around the longest are...the ones who want you. They may not be at your education level, they may not share your values...but if they know every reason they are attracted to you (not physically, but every good characteristic that you knew long ago was attractive in you and you wondered why so many people missed them to focus on something superficial like looks or wealth), they will do what comes natural to them--chase what makes them feel good (and that would be you).
 Coma_White
Joined: 9/15/2013
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Posted: 6/17/2018 11:02:31 PM

What makes you say, "DAMN! I got to check him out"?


A big wallet.
 patchmanjoker
Joined: 7/28/2017
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Posted: 6/18/2018 12:12:35 AM
There is an interesting study floating out there where a guy created a Tin*r page posting half naked pictures of a model type guy and when messaging he only makes perverted and sexual statements. He has gotten tons of positive responses and proves that when you are attractive, you can get away with anything. If the pictures were of an average looking guy, he would just be a creep. I think this is true of both genders. The problem is many women will not admit to it. I'm sure the ladies that respond to this guy would never admit they would seek out a dude that acts like that.
 norwegianguy456
Joined: 6/11/2015
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Posted: 6/18/2018 1:06:42 AM

a guy created a Tin*r page posting half naked pictures of a model type guy and when messaging he only makes perverted and sexual statements. He has gotten tons of positive responses and proves that when you are attractive, you can get away with anything. If the pictures were of an average looking guy, he would just be a creep.

Yeah, that's not surprising. One of the reasons why the classic virtually-dateless Mr Nice Guy(tm) exists too often, is because of the Politically Correct Fables that conditioned into us, and they really buy into it as the Truth, when it's Not. Like the average # of people each gender has slept with, heterosexually. That # should be ~Equal. But every poll has the guy's higher, usually Significantly higher, which cannot be mathematically true, since there's ~Equal # of men & women. It's basic math to know that the average should be ~same, but it's it an example of Cultural Conditioning that gets one to not see it.

Raw sexual attractive looks is going to play a role into how one views the other's persona. Obviously if pushed far enough, they can always be a creep. But you can get away with a lot more without even being viewed upon as a creep, with the right look and/or raw sexual attractive look. Those who don't want they themselves being judged on looks Don't want to believe this. But it's just human nature. Many will also think it makes them seem too animalistic, when in fact, we are, and sex-driven creatures where it plays a Yuge role -- even if it doesn't at all translate into sex on the 1st date in the unisex bathroom.
 cooldog65
Joined: 6/27/2011
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Posted: 6/18/2018 1:22:57 AM
What I've heard many times is that you take the man's number and divide it by two and you take the woman's number and multiply it by two. That should close the gap significantly.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
Joined: 3/27/2012
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Posted: 6/18/2018 2:18:05 AM
We've heard the line..."Women kiss and DON'T tell".
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
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Posted: 6/18/2018 5:50:02 AM
"There is an interesting study floating out there where a guy created a Tin*r page posting half naked pictures of a model type guy and when messaging he only makes perverted and sexual statements. He has gotten tons of positive responses and proves that when you are attractive, you can get away with anything. If the pictures were of an average looking guy, he would just be a creep. I think this is true of both genders. The problem is many women will not admit to it. I'm sure the ladies that respond to this guy would never admit they would seek out a dude that acts like that. "

>>>gosh darn! every single darn time I point this out, I get told there's no such things as leagues and its all about how I made the statements and so on :)

yeah, it makes TOTAL sense that attractiveness is a factor. If I walk into a store intent on buying a new product to replace my broken one, then I have nothing wrong with a salesperson coming to me with a salespitch. But if i'm NOT looking for that, then any salesperson who has a pitch is annoying. As animals, we're programmed to procreate without diluting the gene pool. As humans, we get pleasure from sex and we want to gravitate towards what pleases us the most.
 sun_water
Joined: 5/26/2018
Msg: 135
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Posted: 6/18/2018 7:38:43 AM

There is an interesting study floating out there where a guy created a Tin*r page posting half naked pictures of a model type guy and when messaging he only makes perverted and sexual statements. He has gotten tons of positive responses and proves that when you are attractive, you can get away with anything. If the pictures were of an average looking guy, he would just be a creep. I think this is true of both genders. The problem is many women will not admit to it. I'm sure the ladies that respond to this guy would never admit they would seek out a dude that acts like that.


IMO that might be true for some women that are younger, immature, and/or have low self esteem. But I would not be interested in any man that makes perverted sexual comments. Regardless of how handsome he is.
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Posted: 6/18/2018 10:04:21 AM
I probably wouldn't reply to a sexually suggestive message from a very attractive woman. 99% of them are escorts trying to lure guys in. This seems to be more comment with Backpage and the Craigslist services pages being shut down.

As for regular woman, it's very rare until I kind of get to know someone. I find it interesting when a woman's profile says something about no contacting them for sex or they don't want FWB or a one night stand. And then they start sending revealing pictures within a day of messaging.

I believe a good number of woman would continue a conversation with a very good looking guy that was sending them sexually suggestive messages in the beginning. I was messaging with someone on here last night. Towards the end of the night she said she really enjoyed our conversation and that most guys say something stupid in the first 4-5 messages so she'll stop talking to them. I don't do that. I can make anything sound dirty but I wait until I know someone.
 reverendswine
Joined: 4/14/2018
Msg: 137
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Posted: 6/18/2018 1:14:30 PM

There is an interesting study floating out there where a guy created a Tin*r page posting half naked pictures of a model type guy and when messaging he only makes perverted and sexual statements. He has gotten tons of positive responses and proves that when you are attractive, you can get away with anything.


Holy shit, I wonder if CNN has released this "BREAKING NEWS!!" yet.

The last time I used the site for dating, I didn't even have to drop sexual innuendos because the women typically did it first, and yes, they were the very same women who had the condescending "101 ways on how to properly contact me" profiles. I even saved screenshots of the most memorable ones.
 HawkingJr
Joined: 4/16/2007
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Posted: 6/19/2018 3:41:12 PM
I’m going to say... headlessness.

You might think I would say arms or pecs considering what I look like, but as I’ve said in other threads before, I used this exact same picture without the cropped thumbnail such that you could see my face for about 3 months and got almost no views from it. Since I cropped my head out of the thumbnail, I’ve received hundreds of unsolicited views (in fact, over the past few months, more views than my previous 10 years on this site combined). Again, the only difference: head (almost no views) vs. no head (hundreds of views).

The next experiment I should do is a picture that doesn’t show my muscles (like in a suit) and try both headless and headed thumbnail with it to see if the muscles matter. Maybe women will click on any headless thumbnail picture to see what the guy’s face looks like. Or maybe they will only click on headless pics of guys with muscles. We cannot discount the possibility that muscles are an important factor, but it would also seem the face is a much more important factor – seeing my face appears to have rendered my muscles as a non-factor (too unattractive to bother clicking no matter how much they liked the muscles), but a headless picture in-and-of-itself could just be a curiosity-killed-the-cat thing regardless of what the body looks like. If my headless suit default pic gets almost no views, then we will know that muscles are indeed a huge turn-on to the vast majority of women (regardless of what they may publicly claim), but no amount of muscles will overcome an unattractive face. (Or possibly race – since you can’t really tell that I’m not a tan white guy or Hispanic with my headless shot. I suspect most of the white women in this Southern city probably would not click on a profile they thought was of a guy with black descent.)

BTW, on the question of age and maturity, as I'm in my 40s, the vast majority of the women clicking on my headless muscle profile have been in their 30s and 40s.
 reverendswine
Joined: 4/14/2018
Msg: 139
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Posted: 6/19/2018 4:30:54 PM
Pssssssst.....hey, Hawk?? Allow me to direct your attention over to blackbeauty744 who now has a picture posted. I believe she has stated she is moving soon and Florida is on the table as an option. She has been rather complimentary toward you in the past. You see where I'm going here?

Sell her on Tampa. Sell it hard.

When everything works out, I will gladly accept all the credit for it.
 blackbeauty744
Joined: 12/1/2015
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Posted: 6/19/2018 4:43:12 PM
^ HAHAHAHAHAHAH

(I mean he is correct, though ;-) )
 reverendswine
Joined: 4/14/2018
Msg: 141
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Posted: 6/19/2018 4:54:09 PM
See that, Hawk??????? Damn. I need my own matchmaker TV show.

 siisaa
Joined: 8/6/2017
Msg: 142
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Posted: 6/19/2018 11:05:05 PM

basilisk123: What makes you say, "DAMN! I got to check him out"?


Nothing. I don't approach guys & I've seen plenty of good-looking ones. I don't care for dating/getting to know strangers and have had better luck dating men who were already in my circle.
 basilisk123
Joined: 12/17/2011
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Posted: 6/20/2018 12:00:35 AM
"Nothing. I don't approach guys & I've seen plenty of good-looking ones. I don't care for dating/getting to know strangers and have had better luck dating men who were already in my circle. "-siisaa


So when you see a good looking guy here on the site or other sites, you don't even bat an eyelash? What they look like is meaningless to you? Interesting.
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 144
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Posted: 6/20/2018 6:53:57 AM
i'm going to guess that (based on women I've known), her interest in doing the effort to get to know a stranger, doesn't supercede her ability to already know attractive men in her circle, and they are showing interest in her. To borrow a phrase, "low hanging fruit", and I wouldn't blame her for taking the easy path. I've posted this before, its usually why hot women I know haven't been single for very long...the attractive men in their lives have already had an eye on them, and when the door is open, simply do what's natural and walk right thru.
 siisaa
Joined: 8/6/2017
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Posted: 6/20/2018 10:50:28 AM

So when you see a good looking guy here on the site or other sites, you don't even bat an eyelash? What they look like is meaningless to you? Interesting.


I never said it was meaningless. I have batted an eyelash but a pretty picture is not the be-all to end-all. Re: online dating, just because a man is physically attractive does not mean I'm going to meet him. When it comes to getting to know a guy, we have to have more in common than just finding each other cute.

Funny side story: A couple of weeks ago, my co-worker and I went out to lunch. She asked her roommate to meet her at the restaurant to give her their house-key. The roommate shows up and damn....he is really good-looking! Once he leaves, I'm all starry-eyed and began asking my co-worker about her roommate. She laughs and tells me he just texted her after leaving the restaurant saying, "Your friend is cute" & "she could get it". The co-worker then tells me he is 22, in the military and lives across water. I'm thinking, if we were to spend time together, either he or I would have to take the ferry *rolls eyes*

I quickly lose interest. Yeah, he is cute and all and obviously finds me attractive but that's not enough for me to want to get to know him.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 7:17:45 AM
I've seen a number of profiles for very attractive woman. At first I think "Wow, she's not going to be here long!" And then two years later... Granted, the quality of some of the guys on these sites isn't great. I've heard the stories. But I'd think there would be some nice guys that would be a match. Or an azzhole or two if she wants someone like that instead. The third option is it might not be the guys that are the problem...
 julystorm22
Joined: 6/15/2018
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Posted: 6/21/2018 8:56:16 AM
You are right, maybe it isn't the guys that are the problem. Self-reflection is necessary. I've been trying to figure that out for myself. I've had so many conversations on pof and sometimes when I've been ghosted or when a guy flakes off I spend forever analyzing what was said, rereading the messages and trying to figure out why interest was lost. Generally, here are why I think many of my convos with men fizzled on their end:

1) the guy was looking for quick sex and I was trying to talk to him and get to know him better and he realized it wasn't worth the work

2) the guy was looking for quick sex and nothing serious but then after talking to me he realized I was too much of a nice person to be used and tossed, I actually had a guy tell me that. He said he was only interested in a one-time thing and he said I was too nice to do that to

3) I wasn't available for an immediate date or meeting, for me it takes a bit of planning due to my kids and work and my lack of time for spontaneity leads the guy to the conclusion that I'm too busy

4) The guy, who has read that I have 3 kids in my profile, didn't really pay attention to the it but when he thinks about it more and decides its not for him. What annoys me though about this scenario is that I'm not even looking for serious and the guy seems to jump to that conclusion. I've been told this a few times, that a guy can't date me because I have kids yet he's the one that messages me first and gets things going. And I avoid talking about my kids at dates/meetings unless its a single da, in which case we can relate.

None of these are reasons due to my actual character although I realize that is I was interesting enough maybe a guy would stay interested regardless. I wish there was a form on pof where a guy could give you feedback or something. Maybe it would help although I suspect I can't help some of the reasons why I am rejected. Out of all the guys I've met in person since I came on here, only one opted to not go on a second date (every other person I broke things off with except the last one who returned to his ex) but he asked me to be friends and we still message each other all the time on pof. He told me he decided he just couldn't date another single mom and he could tell I was the type that would break his heart or something to that effect but how the heck can I promise someone I won't ever break someone's heart?
 Coma_White
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Posted: 6/21/2018 11:17:00 AM

None of these are reasons due to my actual character although I realize that is I was interesting enough maybe a guy would stay interested regardless. I wish there was a form on pof where a guy could give you feedback or something. Maybe it would help although I suspect I can't help some of the reasons why I am rejected. Out of all the guys I've met in person since I came on here, only one opted to not go on a second date (every other person I broke things off with except the last one who returned to his ex) but he asked me to be friends and we still message each other all the time on pof. He told me he decided he just couldn't date another single mom and he could tell I was the type that would break his heart or something to that effect but how the heck can I promise someone I won't ever break someone's heart?


I think the single mother thing is the biggest barrier for most men, even if they are single fathers. I find it especially hard now after dating a single mother to get back in the ring again.
 norwegianguy456
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Posted: 6/21/2018 11:48:48 AM

I don't approach guys & I've seen plenty of good-looking ones. I don't care for dating/getting to know strangers and have had better luck dating men who were already in my circle.

I think that becomes a mental/emotional self-fulfilling prophecy -- and all it takes is 1 between the two to make the chances lower because of that. It's natural though, to some extent. But some have a hex about dating/hanging with someone who doesn't know someone they know -- it ends up being "cliquey" due to an uncomfortable comfort-zone.

I'm all starry-eyed and began asking my co-worker about her roommate. She laughs and tells me he just texted her after leaving the restaurant saying, "Your friend is cute" & "she could get it". The co-worker then tells me he is 22, in the military and lives across water. I'm thinking, if we were to spend time together, either he or I would have to take the ferry *rolls eyes*

To be fair, most guys are going to heed the chase factor when something like that comes up, too. That's just feasibility. Like "Yeah, she is really cute -- BUT, she's Mormon," or "She lives Way up north," etc. I think when we're younger, that stuff matters less, but we end up realizing (emotionally & logically) thru 1st or 2nd hand experience over time it's generally a waste of time -- even for casual dating.

That doesn't play a role in the whole "How much does looks matter?" stuff. Otherwise, those being accurately accused of being too much into looks would be LD chasing online, hitting up gals totally not their type ("I'm atheist; I'm Mormon!"; "I'm looking for a$$, but I'll go on eHarmoney").
 reverendswine
Joined: 4/14/2018
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:37:57 PM

I don't care for dating/getting to know strangers and have had better luck dating men who were already in my circle.


Interesting. How did you manage to avoid having the people in your circle being strangers before you met them?
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