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 flowersinthelake
Joined: 5/11/2018
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Some suggested the government limit welfare to only one. The liberals screamed loud and clear that that's forced birth control.


No, we screamed because it would deprive the other children. Time limits of benefits forced college-attending moms OUT OF COLLEGE and back into minimum-wage jobs which kept them on public assistance of some sort outside of cash. I don't see how criminalizing teen sexually should punish incoming children. Unbelievable.



Forced birth control for single women?


Economic deprivation is not birth control. It's a punative method to deprive girls for their alleged loose sexuality ... wrapped up in right-wing lies. Many of these people are responsible for high birth rates to single, teen moms and economic and educational deprivation of their offspring.

Forced birth control? What about those FORCED ABORTIONS some prominent politicians have ordered for their pregnant teenaged sexual objects?


They can have more if they want but the state would only pay for one. The idea raised the ire of democrate's and the media. One can understand one "mistake" but continuous "mistakes"?


Bill Clinton was the biggest proponent and driver of "welfare reform," which said reform had DEVESTATING effects on families of college students trying to get a degree to get better paying jobs to get off the system permanently. It ensured people stayed in perpetual poverty.

Mistakes? The only mistake I see is allowing conservative, prominent men to make medicial decisions for everybody else.

Your media paranoia is your own. I research issues beyond what Fox news, Alex Jones, and Mango Mussolini purports.
 flowersinthelake
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I have mixed emotions regarding never-married teenage moms
Posted: 5/27/2018 3:22:23 AM

I'm talking about raising and taking care of the babies with their own money out of their own pockets, rather than society's pockets.


Societies pockets are being drained by the wickedness that is smap dwelling in the current WH, sinkholes and hidden First Ladies, and you're complaining about a $500 monthly-- a pittance -- for a family of two? I want MY tax dollars to pay for children and their hard-working moms, rather than MY money than money squandered on some unconstitutional religious doctrine that deprives children of a strong, secular education.

That kind of spending is fiscally irresponsibility of the lowest order, but men hate parting with their money if it doesn't go on the toys they want.

I see that dating selfishness, right-wing BS, deprivation, perversity, and financial and social irresponsibility all sleep on the same, lice-infested mattress.
 Dave of Indiana
Joined: 3/18/2009
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I have mixed emotions regarding never-married teenage moms
Posted: 5/27/2018 2:59:43 PM

The welfare is to take care of the children, taking away the money is not going to work anymore than preaching abstinence. Only criminals who rip off the system make enough money to live well. Welfare checks for children is low, it is really not a big set up for teens to use, most teens need education and help, not gossipy workers jumping to conclusions. Some one needs to be home and raise those children, being a stay-home mother or father is nothing to condem. I've worked at a hospital and I have worked in a dept of human services, what you see the most of is the father not doing their share of child raising.

If both parents were held responsible, equally, there would be much less need for welfare checks. If all teens knew complete facts about human bodies and complete facts about bith contral and abstinence, there would be much less need for welfare. Are there bad people in the world, sure there is, but teen moms are hardly way up there on that list. Of all the people and companies that suck up your tax dollars, teen moms are close to the bottom.


1. The welfare check comes directly to the single mom and not to the child/children. The single mom decides how it is spent.
2. The more children the more food stamps. When going to the grocery store it's frustrating to see someone with a FULL grocery basket of food, paid for by food stamps and the working citizen has a difficult time paying for 1/2 the amount of food.
3. Often on the evening news people are arrested for selling food stamps for alcohol, cigarettes and sometimes even drugs.
4. All men who get a single woman pregnant should be forced by law to support the child financially.
5. Society is become to lax about sex. Giving up on abstinence is what has brought us to this point. I am of the 60's generation and back then girls were much less willing to have out of marriage sex because (1) pregnancy and (2) gaining a negative reputation. Guys hesitated because the courts mandated he or his family pay support until the child was 18. All of this changed in the 70's with the advent of abortion and birth control available to teens. Liberal politicians changed the landscape from the guy having to support the child to the government supporting the child.
6. Guys need to be held accountable. In fact they need to bring their hormones under control. Girls need to keep their legs together and say NO. "But if I don't have sex with him he'll leave me". If a single guy leaves a single woman just because she won't have sex he wasn't worth dating in the first place.

Argument: You can't legislate morality. Politicians sure have been legislating immorality for the last 40 years.
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
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I have mixed emotions regarding never-married teenage moms
Posted: 5/27/2018 3:14:40 PM

Argument: You can't legislate morality. Politicians sure have been legislating immorality for the last 40 years.


You can't legislate morality - you have a President that had cheated on all 3 wives. You have a President that has paid off a porn star for having sex with her "bareback"....no condom. If the President doesn't use a condom, why should an 18 year old?

And hello....priests have been raping for years.
 purplerider1200
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I have mixed emotions regarding never-married teenage moms
Posted: 5/27/2018 5:40:47 PM
You all can discuss until you're blue in the face, and nothing is going to come out of it. Yapping about presidents that have fooled around? Bet Washington screwed around on Martha. And, I'd bet good money that obum got Valerie Jarrett twixt the sheets. The only one that might not have, is senior Bush, because his wife would have strung him up by his family jewels.

I've got a few friends that have grand kids that surprised them with great grands. (all out of wedlock) One family, I'd swear are Shiite-catholic, one daughter got rushed to the alter, the other just had hers without the "I does" beforehand. Another, has four great-grands from two grand daughters, neighter of which has ever been married. They all go running to great grampa for money. One of these times, that money is going to stop. Great grampa, is 83. (And still working because he has to)

Do these kids think? Hellno. Do I ever expect them to? Ohellno. Now, the four times married daughter has shown interest in me. She's not bad looking, but I DON'T want anything to do with her. Waaay too much nasty baggage. So she gets to run about with her crack-head boyfriend.

I was never so happy to be no where near that loop. You got that problem? Sucks to be you. I'll stand back and feel sorry for you.
 daynadaze
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Posted: 5/27/2018 6:06:27 PM
The last 40 years? When was the government suppose to teaching you morality?

The grocery cart is full because they are shopping for the month for staples, and just how much do you think people get in food stamps, you have to use part of your check to cover when the food stamps run out, plus the food stamps you get are taken out of the money you get in your check. You know when they say there's a raise in food stamps? They take that raise out of your check.

Yes, there are always criminals selling food stamps, there are always criminals, you should be working on that instead of bashing underage girls with no child support (if you happen to get child support that goes to the welfare office) and duh, yes the welfare goes to the parent, children are taken care of by the parent(s).

Yes, both parents should be responsible for care of their children equally.

I was born in 51, there were a lot of pregnant girls in the small, rural town high school I went to. Birth control and education were not taught about unwed parents, it was swept under the rug, girls got pregnant while many boys laughed a walked away. You really need to research this stuff, what you post is mostly untrue.
 Dave of Indiana
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I have mixed emotions regarding never-married teenage moms
Posted: 5/27/2018 10:04:05 PM

I was born in 51, there were a lot of pregnant girls in the small, rural town high school I went to. Birth control and education were not taught about unwed parents, it was swept under the rug, girls got pregnant while many boys laughed a walked away. You really need to research this stuff, what you post is mostly untrue.


My birthday is January 31, 1951. Evidently the surrounding community in north central Indiana where I was born and grew up was highly different than where you lived. The massive increase in single moms didn't escalate until the early 80's. Birth control was only available to married women. High school girls who became pregnant disappeared. The old excuse was they went to live with a relative. Boys families had to provide financial support to the girls family.

Abortion, underage birth control and government subsidies all play a part in unmarried pregnancies. It's so easy for the guy to walk away and for the girl to assume the government will pay for it all. I've lived in this area all of my life and am quite aware of what the statistics are.
 purplerider1200
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Posted: 5/28/2018 7:27:50 AM
Heck, Indiana is always playing catch up on the latest and greatest. (They really don't have to on this subject)
 CBGB77
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I have mixed emotions regarding never-married teenage moms
Posted: 5/28/2018 8:11:56 AM
Love Child

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 feirene
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I have mixed emotions regarding never-married teenage moms
Posted: 5/28/2018 9:45:33 AM
Someone in my family had a teen pregnancy in the 1970s, her family sent her away and then she came back with the baby and her parents told everyone he was theirs so he grew up thinking he was his mums brother. His family, where the guy had sex with a child (as the law defines a child), contributed nothing to his upbringing at all. It was swept under the carpet;
1) so she didn't have to deal with the shame of being a teenage parent. Despite being (as is legally defined) raped the shame was hers.
2) not directly, but of course the guy who got her pregnant did not have to be dealt with for being a child rapist.

So you can see here that there were ideals that made it so that teenage pregnancy was not acceptable. None because the rape itself is considered unacceptable but because being a parent as teen is shameful, despite having the physical makeup to become pregnant was there and is therefore natural.

At one time people didn't care, they had babies when young and nothing was thought of it. There was no shame as it was what our bodies could do and so when they did it people coped with it as best they could. I do think the stigma for teen pregnancy came about because of social issues. Such as noticing children can have a hard time coping with adult things like bringing up a family. Children are quite adaptable, they can understand things on a deep level too, but sometimes we can see that what happens to them or the choices they make are not helping them, and there is a whole host of reasons why they might not choose what is their best option, but as with all ages of people they can only make the choices that are available to them.

Child prostitution became illegal in the victorian era because somebody noticed it was morally wrong to use children for sex, there was a 'revolution' of sorts around sex during this era also where people became more prudent around sexual issues as they thought it was best after seeing the results. But most of the laws surrounding children came about because children were being damaged and seen as not having the ability for self autonomy and so adults decided that it was time to do something about that. Like even now they can work before the age of 16 but only for a certain amount of hours and at certain times because now we value their education over the making money but at one time we did not, they worked in dangerous conditions and died or were seriously injured instead. Same goes for all health and safety laws, they didn't just spring up out of being 'PC', they sprung up because people weren't aware of how best to look after others and so needed telling. Maybe some laws shouldn't be acted on if there is no damage, and the law tends to work in exactly that way, but having the protection of laws should ensure the harm is never done or is rectified when it is.

So as our situations change because we gain more information and understanding of the harm things cause then so will our morals. And teen pregnancy will be seen as just fine or not ok. I think a lot of the things society has projected as shameful has been harmful to it's victims and let it's abusers off for harming them, that's kind of sad really and how it has been seen as acceptable.
But it gets tedious seeing only the people being left to deal with things also being stigmatised for having to deal with them.
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