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 Dave of Indiana
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^ Say hello to "Daddy Pence" 4 me, LOL
No claims against all men...I have 2 sons Had a Father, & married in the past & now again.

I don't love or hate all men, I take each person on an individual basis as to whether I like them & it is in varying degrees.

Maybe men should start fearing women...

LMAO

You're presently married and on a dating web site? You're only here for the forums, right? I can only imagine how you would respond if you ran across a married man who was on a dating web site. Would you allow a married man the same open mindedness?
 Kiyyah
Joined: 7/1/2018
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Posted: 7/15/2018 5:31:55 PM
In reading this I don't think he lied to get you. I think he lied out of convenience. I honestly don't think it was about you and I don't think anything he did while in the relationship was about you. He probably hated his ex to the point he envisioned the divorce as factual, especially considering she was overseas. He sounds incredibly selfish, and it doesn't sound as if you were ever truly happy with him. You need to let go. It's not about you being foolish, but there comes a time that we need to stop and self reflect, LEARN and move on. If your ex husband lied to you, and then this man, there is a pattern there. You don't need to work so hard at a relationship when it's NOT working for you. Know when to walk away and know your self worth.
 Kissfromarose77
Joined: 4/2/2018
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Posted: 7/15/2018 5:42:08 PM

You're presently married and on a dating web site? You're only here for the forums, right? I can only imagine how you would respond if you ran across a married man who was on a dating web site. Would you allow a married man the same open mindedness?


Well for somebody who says they’re happily married, why does she feel the need to come on here and type in caps and start arguments with other women?
 SS4544Spd
Joined: 8/31/2016
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Posted: 7/16/2018 6:56:17 AM
Blonde Angel wrote:
If a man is attracted to masculine-type women, I'd question his sexuality.

I'd think he was in denial/suppressing an attraction to men.
THis really is an interesting statement, which is surprising to me, coming from you, Blonde Angel. So masculine appearing women don't get to have men attracted to them, men who may be attracted based on their unique brand and interpretation of female-ness? Men who find such women attractive should be ridiculed? Even though their female appearance isn't in line with the ideas of femininity that's sold to us by the industrialized West, i.e., Hollywood/Wall Street, which are both generally male dominated institutions? Hmmmmmm...
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 7/16/2018 7:17:14 AM
NY58 wrote:
I think the same could be said for a
supposedly straight man who's attracted to a woman that looks manly. Really, why would he be attracted to someone manly looking?
Again. So "manly" women shouldn't have men attracted to them?

This is the conumdrum I see with feminism pushed by certain women. Feminism, that is, pushed by women who obviously spend a lot of $$ in, well, being feminine by modern Western standards. You can make an argument these women are doing this to please men. And so they're buying into the dynamic that men are pigs that can't "think beyond their penis," and thus only are knuckle draggers attracted only by looks.

Whereas "manly" appearing women, or women who just wear potato sacks and say, "f*ck it" are more adaquately seen, in my view as "real" feminists, because they are showing men the middle finger because they are NOT dressing to satisify mens' notions of what's "attractive." Especially to western men, i.e. Hollywood/Wall Street, industries generally, I'd bet if you take a close look, are dominated by, and most benefit financially, men.

Not sure you can have it both ways.

Kinda equivalent to "limosine liberals," folks who think they're liberal but they are really not, cuz they generally have beliefs that benefit the financial elite and those already in power...i.e. rich white men. Most of the "liberals" in Off Tropics here are limosine liberals.
 flowersinthelake
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Posted: 7/16/2018 8:01:21 AM

So masculine appearing women don't get to have men attracted to them, men who may be attracted based on their unique brand and interpretation of female-ness?


Nobody said that.


Men who find such women attractive should be ridiculed?


In the context of the conversation, I understand why that opinion was made, but I don't agree with it fully. OTOH, there is a pastor (who shall remain nameless) is a bible literalist and screeches the most profane interpretations of the bible in his online/live-streamed sermons. This is a man who screeches, sachets, and screams -- his morbid contempt for homosexuality (and wishes death upon gay men, on the process). This man either hates the thought of anal sex or is a closet homosexual -- I choose the latter. I went to his family website and saw his wife, demure and dainty, she's as plain AND strict as they come. Abusive disciplinarians, as far as I'm concerned but otherwise a mismatch in so many ways. I think the pastor is gay and when he wanted to conceal their inner desires for men picked the plainest and shrillest of wives imaginable.


Even though their female appearance isn't in line with the ideas of femininity that's sold to us by the industrialized West, i.e., Hollywood/Wall Street, which are both generally male dominated institutions? Hmmmmmm...


What is the "Hollywood/Wallst" standard appearance to which you refer? I'm defending these institutions, but I wasn't aware there was some homogenized standard of appearance. Beautiful women of all shapes and sizes can't emulate an actor they like or admire? I don't understand it.

If somebody uses lipstick, it means they like wearing lipstick.
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
Joined: 4/27/2018
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Posted: 7/16/2018 8:05:57 AM
SS4544, if you really want to understand, read Deida on masculine/feminine polarity. I'd start out w/ "Intimate Communion"!

A masculine type woman attracts a feminine type partener & vice/versa, in either a heterosexual or homosexual relationship. One supplies the Anima, one supplies the Animus.

Feminine type men, passive sorts, attract either other men or a more dominant, aggressive type women.

And in every relationship, there are times when the energy shifts, it can be fluid but overall one has the opposite of polarity of the other.

Two non-polarized/neutral PPL can be platonic friends, but that's all. There's no sexual/emotional dynamic there.
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
Joined: 4/27/2018
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Posted: 7/16/2018 8:15:52 AM
http://www.awaken.com/2012/10/david-deida-on-sexual-polarity/

David Deida on Sexual Polarity

Posted on October 14, 2012 | Views: 3217

I’ve been reading some of David Deida‘s work again. When I encountered him initially, I didn’t really appreciate what he had to say— I thought he was perpetuating sexual stereotypes. I was wrong.

His explanation of sexual polarity in relationships actually makes a great deal of sense to me. Perhaps it was because I had never really felt it experientially that I didn’t get it before. I don’t know. For whatever reason, it’s making a lot of sense to me now.


Here is an article from his website, from the Men’s Work section, that explains the basic concept of sexual polarity and why it is important in a sexual relationship — any relationship, gay or straight. Essentially, what he is describing is the basis for Tantra in its truest sense.

The more a man is playing his real edge,
the more valuable he is as good company for other men,
and the more he can be trusted
to be authentic and fully present.

We need to understand the nature of sexual passion and spiritual openness. Sexual attraction is based on sexual polarity, the force of passion that arcs between masculine and feminine poles. All natural forces flow between two poles. The north and south poles of the earth create a force of magnetism. The positive and negative poles of your electrical outlet or car battery create an electrical flow. In the same way, masculine and feminine poles between people create the flow sexual polarity.

The force of attraction that flows between the two poles of masculine and feminine is the a dynamism that tends to disappear in modern relationships. If you want real passion, you need a ravisher and a ravishee; otherwise, you just have two buddies who decide to rub genitals in bed.

Each of us, man or woman, possesses both inner masculine and inner feminine qualities. Men can wear earrings, hug each other tenderly, and dance ecstatically in the woods. Women can change the oil in the car, accumulate political and financial power, and box in the ring. Men can take care of their children. Women can fight for their country. We have proven these things. Just about anyone can animate either masculine or feminine energy in any particular moment. (They might still have a strong preference to do one or the other, which we will get to in a moment.)

The bottom line of today’s emerging 50/50, or “second stage,” relationship is this: If men and women are clinging to a politically correct sameness, even in moments of intimacy, then sexual attraction disappears. I don’t mean just the desire for intercourse: the juice of the entire relationship begins to dry up. The love may still be strong, the friendship may still be strong, but the sexual polarity fades, unless in moments of intimacy one partner is willing to play the masculine pole and one partner is willing to play the feminine. You have to animate the masculine and feminine differences if you want to play in the field of sexual passion.

It is up to you: you can have a loving friendship between two similars. But in the moments when you want strong sexual polarity, you need a more masculine and a more feminine partner.


It doesn’t matter if both partners are men or both are women. It doesn’t matter if, in a heterosexual relationship, the man plays the feminine pole and the woman plays the masculine pole. It doesn’t matter if every day you change who plays the masculine pole and who plays the feminine pole. For sexual polarity, you need an energetic polarity, an attractive difference between masculine and feminine. You don’t need this difference for love, but you do need it for sexual passion.

For some people who have what I call a more balanced sexual essence, sexual polarity doesn’t really matter. They don’t really want much passion in intimacy. They don’t want a loving tussle full of sexual inspiration and innuendo. They would rather have a civilized friendship, full of love and human sharing without the passionate ups and downs. And for these people, this course will be irrelevant, perhaps even offensive.

Your sexual essence is your core. If you have a more masculine sexual essence, you might enjoy staying home and playing with the kids, but deep down you are still driven by a sense of mission. You may not know your mission, but unless you discover it and live it fully, your life will feel empty at its core, even if your intimate relationship and family life are full of love.

If you have a more feminine sexual essence, your professional life may be incredibly successful, but your core won’t be fulfilled unless love is flowing fully in your family or intimate life.

The “mission,” or the search for freedom, is the priority of the masculine, whereas the search for love is the priority of the feminine. This is why people with masculine essences would rather watch a football game or boxing match on TV than a love story. Sports are all about achieving freedom, by breaking free of your opponent’s tackle or barrage of punches, and about succeeding at your mission, by carrying the ball into the end zone or remaining standing after 10 rounds. For the masculine, mission, competition, and putting it all on the line (indeed, facing death) are all forms of ecstasy. Witness the masculine popularity of war stories, dangerous heroism, and sports playoffs.

But for the feminine, the search for love touches the core. Whether in soap operas, love stories, or talking with friends about relationships, the desire for love is what appears in feminine forms of entertainment.

The feminine wants to be filled with love, and if the bliss of real love is not forthcoming, chocolate and ice cream—or a good romantic drama—will do. The masculine wants to feel the bliss of a life lived at the edge, and if he doesn’t have the balls to do it himself, he’ll watch it on TV, in sporting events and cop shows.

Even though all people have both masculine and feminine qualities that they could use in any moment—to kick corporate ass or nurture children—most people have a more masculine or more feminine core. And this shows up in their preferred sexual play as much as in their chosen entertainments.

Trying to squeeze your masculine or feminine essence into a falsely balanced persona affects virtually every part of you. Many people with a true feminine essence manifest a range of disturbed physiological symptoms as their feminine energy “dries up” through running excess masculine energy through their body, year after year, in order to fit into a masculine style of work. And many people with a masculine essence, seeking to fit in with a feminine style of cooperation and energy flow, disconnect from their sense of life purpose and inhibit their deep truth, afraid of the consequences of being authentic to their own masculine core. Hence, the frequent complaints about too many ballbusters and too many wimps.


Furthermore, when you deny your true core, you deny the possibility of true and real love. Love is openness, through and through. And true spirituality is the practice of love, the practice of openness. People who deny their own essence and hide their true desires are divided and unable to relax into the full openness of love. Their spirit becomes cramped and kinked. Unable to feel the natural ease and unconstrained power of their own core, they feel threatened and frightened. This fear is the texture of their inability to open fully in love. Such people are spiritually handicapped, obstructed at heart, even though they may have achieved a safe relationship and a successful career.
 MsMicki
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Posted: 7/16/2018 8:26:02 AM
one only has to open their eyes and look at real people instead of one person's opinion in a book....to see that there are far too many examples out there to refute this theory.

living in the middle of rural America....where women play sports and work in fields and factories and who would be labeled as masculine from someone just looking at the outside cover....are married to "manly men"...
these are not men that are closet homosexuals....they are men that appreciate a woman that is more concerned with living life than having this "image" that others think they should have to be considered feminine.
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
Joined: 4/27/2018
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Posted: 7/16/2018 8:46:37 AM
^Deida takes this into account as well

Each of us, man or woman, possesses both inner masculine and inner feminine qualities. Men can wear earrings, hug each other tenderly, and dance ecstatically in the woods. Women can change the oil in the car, accumulate political and financial power, and box in the ring. Men can take care of their children. Women can fight for their country. We have proven these things. Just about anyone can animate either masculine or feminine energy in any particular moment. (They might still have a strong preference to do one or the other, which we will get to in a moment.)

The bottom line of today’s emerging 50/50, or “second stage,” relationship is this: If men and women are clinging to a politically correct sameness, even in moments of intimacy, then sexual attraction disappears. I don’t mean just the desire for intercourse: the juice of the entire relationship begins to dry up. The love may still be strong, the friendship may still be strong, but the sexual polarity fades, unless in moments of intimacy one partner is willing to play the masculine pole and one partner is willing to play the feminine. You have to animate the masculine and feminine differences if you want to play in the field of sexual passion.

It is up to you: you can have a loving friendship between two similars. But in the moments when you want strong sexual polarity, you need a more masculine and a more feminine partner.
 julystorm22
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Posted: 7/16/2018 8:52:02 AM
I agree with the theory and MsMicki, while I agree that women do do these things, work in fields and factories and play sports, where this polarity really matters is in the domestic sphere at home or in the dating sphere. If a woman is also masculine at home or during dating, I would expect that the man would be more effeminate.
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
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Posted: 7/16/2018 8:59:38 AM
I was raised to be able to do BOTH male & female things.

When I got way older, another former forumite introduced me to Deida, plus I heard of him when I went back to college & studied E.P.

Some of the stuff he wrote in "Intimate Communion" sounded a bit new-age to me, but most of it made lots of sense.

After I started to embrace this line of thinking (in older age) things changed for me, drastically. And for the better.
 MsMicki
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Posted: 7/16/2018 9:04:16 AM

But in the moments when you want strong sexual polarity, you need a more masculine and a more feminine partner.


this is the part that makes no sense to me....
I don't know how others act in the bedroom....but things are pretty equal in mine!
We both strive to please our partner....we both can be everything from soft and romantic to raw and raunchy.
Sometimes he initiates....sometimes I do.
Sometimes he's on top....sometimes I am.
There is always mutual oral, mutual touching, mutual teasing and mutual pleasing...
only thing that is masculine and feminine is our actual body parts!!
We are just 2 people that are enjoying a night of fun...no roles are needed....
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
Joined: 4/27/2018
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Posted: 7/16/2018 9:30:28 AM
"Sometimes he initiates....sometimes I do."

you take turns!

if neither of u initiated...see, it wouldn't go anyplace...

some of the PPL (male & female) can't even initiate...

and THEY need to read the book...
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 7/16/2018 10:35:09 AM
FITL wrote:
Nobody said that.
That's what I inferred. And that's what I continue to infer.


What is the "Hollywood/Wallst" standard appearance to which you refer? I'm defending these institutions, but I wasn't aware there was some homogenized standard of appearance. Beautiful women of all shapes and sizes can't emulate an actor they like or admire? I don't understand it.
The "standard appearance" is looking feminine, of course, but being a slave to innumerable products and substances to make them even more "feminine." I will be the first one to admit I'm no expert at feminism, but I see somewhat of a disconnect there. If women really want to express their freedom, their independence, their intrinsic value to the world, then why use all these external products - likely from male majority controlled industry - to adhere to what men find attractive? And sure, maybe wearing lipstick feels good and makes a woman feel better about herself. But isn't that cuz she knows she's more attractive.... to men? Do they wear lipstick to attain the admiration of other women? I still see somewhat of a disconnect there.

Blonde Angel wrote:
SS4544, if you really want to understand, read Deida on masculine/feminine polarity. I'd start out w/ "Intimate Communion"!
Well, you win a gold star Blonde Angel, for the best response that I've received to my assertions here...assertions that I have argued with other feminists on other boards in the past. But, still, I see a disconnect.

I mean,,what's "masculine?" A woman can be "manly" appearing on the surface, dress down, etc. yet be a bit demure in nature and we musn't forget - she still has a v@gina and bre@sts - which really are the essence of feminity. Thus, many masculine men will still find that woman feminine and thuis attractive - for a ONS, STR, or LTR. The really, truly butch ones, who really TRY to look like a man, are mostly lesbi@ns, thus in these cases men WILL be kinda repulsed. I just don't know of many truly manly appearing females that are hetero, even if they were cheated in the body/face department. Most do try to be feminine. And, at the end of they day, most attract men that aren't "feminine" at least from what I see out there.

Careful arguing this though:

For the masculine, mission, competition, and putting it all on the line (indeed, facing death) are all forms of ecstasy. Witness the masculine popularity of war stories, dangerous heroism, and sports playoffs.
I noticed he conveniently forgot "sexual conquests." That, in fact, is one of the most powerful male "missions" hard wired into "masculinity." A different end zone, to be sure. Because if you argue that, it takes away the feminist argument that well raised and socialized men are able to think "think beyond their pen!s," and just give up that search and become lesbi@n.
 whiterose0
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Posted: 7/16/2018 1:33:17 PM

But, still, I see a disconnect.

I mean,,what's "masculine?" A woman can be "manly" appearing on the surface, dress down, etc. yet be a bit demure in nature and we musn't forget - she still has a v@gina and bre@sts - which really are the essence of feminity. Thus, many masculine men will still find that woman feminine and thuis attractive - for a ONS, STR, or LTR. The really, truly butch ones, who really TRY to look like a man, are mostly lesbi@ns, thus in these cases men WILL be kinda repulsed. I just don't know of many truly manly appearing females that are hetero, even if they were cheated in the body/face department. Most do try to be feminine. And, at the end of they day, most attract men that aren't "feminine" at least from what I see out there.


There are definitely too many disconnects. I think much of David Deida's theories are flawed and actually do more harm than good in promoting healthy relationships between the sexes. For more accuracy and less pseudo-science, I'd recommend Elizabeth Debold's writings:

http://elizabethdebold.com/what-do-we-mean-by-masculine-and-feminine-anyway/

http://elizabethdebold.com/beyond-polarity/

http://elizabethdebold.com/divine-feminine-alert-no-1/


www.elizabethdebold.com
 siisaa
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Posted: 7/17/2018 9:45:03 PM

Most men say they prefer a more natural look.

You would be surprised at all the makeup that translates to 'invisible' or 'unnoticeable'.


Nah, not really. When I've gotten the most male attention is when I put forth effort into my appearance with makeup, contacts and skirts/dresses. When I'm barefaced with glasses & the jeans, T-shirt & sandals combo - I am virtually ignored. I, too, call bullshit on this whole "men prefer women who look completely natural" campaign. In my experience, that's only true when the woman is HIS, not some random homely-looking woman on the street.
 RoxyMoronic
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Posted: 7/18/2018 12:23:48 AM
A guy once told me I looked exactly the same done up as I did first thing in the morning, he was quite enamoured with me though.
I’m often found in jeans and wellies (although this summer is proving to be a hot one).
And you can bet your life I’ll bump into the world and her mother while looking dog rough.
I should make more of an effort (extra half hour in bed wins every time)

Perhaps men think women are more approachable when done up, like it’s a signal?
Not that they don’t want to approach other times. I dunno.
I’m not into fashion/trends but I like a man to be clean and presentable.
Unless he’s sporty and I can forgive a sweaty mess sometimes.
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
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Posted: 7/18/2018 2:53:17 AM

When I've gotten the most male attention is when I put forth effort into my appearance with makeup, contacts and skirts/dresses. When I'm barefaced with glasses & the jeans, T-shirt & sandals combo - I am virtually ignored. I, too, call bullshit on this whole "men prefer women who look completely natural" campaign. In my experience, that's only true when the woman is HIS, not some random homely-looking woman on the street.


I agree.

Some of the men on this forum HATE women & some LIE or do not know WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Or so inexperienced w/ women they do not know the diff b/w no makeup, a normal amount & made up like BOZO the CLOWN.

I will add, an older woman like myself can't wear as much makeup as a young gal like Siissa or others in this thread.

After a certain age, too much ages a woman.
 TomásIasan
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Posted: 7/18/2018 2:57:12 AM
There in lies the truth if a guy won't be with you without your makeup and will with it you really should be questioning his motives, to me he doesn't really like you sad to face but true. A guy will like you whether you wear it or not the ones you want are ones who like regardless otherwise your just a one and done thing or as they see fit to use you.

Another woman showing exactly how a guy should be if you use makeup to attract them and they sleep with you but don't stick around, they never found you really attractive to begin with. Explanation of why women get humped and dumped even though they were dressed up all nice. Let's blame guys for you knowing they didn't want to be with the real you and you convinced yourself it was the way you were dressed cause that shit is so important in a relationship. Maybe to women not to men most men it's appearance and sexual emotional shit comes later on if and when they have sex and figure out if they want you to have all of them or not. I don't think I know many guys who would argue my statement personally but who knows.

As for the twins what difference does it make their twins identical exact same bet they even do the same in the intimacy actually I know they do cause I dated I identical twins and that exact situation, first my type the runners and well not ponytail afro or perm whatever they were African Canadian so I don't know what to call the hairstyle. She then said her sister would be better match for me after I dated her and I dated her sister and her sister was a lady expecting of gifts all the time so I ended that as well I don't pay for ladies time with me sort it's a equal contribution not she is better and I need to pay to be with her.

Now comes the statistics if over 56% of relationships happen in places like events, activities such as gym, and other assorted things like that it means over 56% of relationships start in casual situations your not in a dress in those places if you are you have a screw loose.
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
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Posted: 7/18/2018 3:04:01 AM
Elizabeth Debold...

I just read some of her stuff.

I think she is a quack, she twisted some of what Deida has written to promote her own agenda.

Even if I didn't read Deida & believe in PART of what he espouses,IMO E.D. sounds just like her initials.

I would recommend Alice Andrews though.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
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Posted: 7/18/2018 3:33:37 AM

A woman can be both feminine and strong.

But why does this ever have to be said? Why are these two things held to be potentially mutually exclusive? It always struck me as being like "the ball is blue AND round", as if normally if a ball is blue, it wouldn't be round.

If a woman is also masculine at home or during dating, I would expect that the man would be more effeminate

But why? Why would you expect that? What do you mean by masculine? Why can't you have two people in a good relationship who are both "strong"? Or do you mean masculine is a little different than just being strong? Still wouldn't make sense though. For one to be masculine, the other has to be effeminate? This will come down again to what we all think that we mean by masculine and feminine...and too often we're wrong or ineffective about how we employ those concepts.

I was raised to be able to do BOTH male & female things

What is a male or female thing though? Is knitting a female thing? Is a man who knits effeminate? Wrong. Big time wrong. Is driving a tractor a male thing? Is a woman who drives a tractor masculine? Wrong.

When I've gotten the most male attention is when I put forth effort into my appearance with makeup, contacts and skirts/dresses. When I'm barefaced with glasses & the jeans, T-shirt & sandals combo - I am virtually ignored. I, too, call bullshit on this whole "men prefer women who look completely natural" campaign.

Ok, pay close attention to these little details...

I have said that I prefer a woman with no makeup. However, that doesn't mean that I think that she is better looking. The woman with makeup might be better looking, but I wouldn't know until she takes off that damned makeup. With her makeup, she might be better looking...but only with the makeup. And if she's better looking with that makeup, I don't want her.

A woman without makeup isn't automatically better looking, but to many of us she is better looking than the one with the makeup...even if the latter is better with the makeup - the fact that it's the makeup is what cancels out that effect.

When you're all running around endorsing certain definitions of what a woman looks like derived from makeup-use, then that's what a lot of males will operate according to: You have only yourselves to blame. You're doing your part in conditioning many men's perceptions. Perceptions which only makes it harder on you women. Know how various media keeps putting forth a certain image of a good looking woman? Ideas which don't match up to real life very well? And there are many women who are sexy as hell but just not skinny as hell...but they experience a lack of attention or responses because of men's perceptions conditioned by media? Same thing. That's what you're doing with this makeup shit...and the experience you shared above doesn't validate using makeup.

Your experience is not simply a lack of responses from males...instead, it's a matter of getting responses from one type of man versus another type of man. What you're really saying is that you want men, or responses from men, who respond to a particular appearance-psychology; Who like you because of your makeup, not because of what you really look like and not because they'd know good-looking if it bit them in their arse. And hell, it's at least possible that if you went with one of them much-fewer-responses men because of no-makeup, you find out that you like that man much better than the others. Maybe not...but maybe. Look, so much of what people express in here is because they attract a certain reality to themselves and aren't aware of it. If you have a certain experience and interpret it a certain way and like or don't like it...make sure you re-think how you might be creating a certain reality for yourself.

You also have the problem of women's faces not being allowed to be healthy and naturally good-looking because they keep fucking with their faces and putting all kinds of shit on them; If a woman really does need makeup to look good, it's because she's using makeup. Moreover, if a woman even after all this just genuinely isn't attractive without makeup...with too many of us the makeup isn't going to help. It doesn't change things. Why make it worse with makeup?

The short version of some of what I've said here ^ is that if you don't get many responses without makeup...it might just be because you're ugly. So you lie if you use makeup. If you get men who're ok with this, fine. That's y'all's prerogative. But this doesn't invalidate a man's preference for no-makeup.

P.S. - Look at madameboisseau's profile pics. Look at that one without makeup. She's very attractive without the makeup (even if she's using that technique wherein she has makeup to simulate a natural look...still validates it). And notice that she even has to make an extra mention of it, almost like it's a bad thing to not have makeup. So why all that makeup in the other pics? Does she get responses that way? Sure, she probably does. But why? And does that mean that men who prefer no makeup are full of crap? No. That's dumb. I've had too many almost-girlfriends myself who looked good like this, but sometimes wanted to do that makeup thing...and it ended up being a dealbreaker. No joke. Total turn-off. Her prerogative, sure. But she'll have to get a man who likes that. Not me.
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
Joined: 4/27/2018
Msg: 498
Why do men lie to get a woman
Posted: 7/18/2018 3:44:58 AM
^^^

Longest Relationship Under 1 year

I can also dig up a recent post where u said I should be punched in the face till I bleed.

If someone wants advice, I hope they take it from a person who knows what the f#ck they are talking about.

Of course you have a right to ur opinion & to post on a message board.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
Joined: 3/27/2012
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Why do men lie to get a woman
Posted: 7/18/2018 3:53:37 AM
And you're still lying. We all know who you are because of stunts like "longest relationship under 1 year". This proves how you argue. You are more worthless the more you post.

I've already dared you to dig up that post or any others for all to see so that we can see if you're honest about your interpretation of it and the conversation. You haven't done so yet.

- P.S. in other post: It even looks like in her no-makeup pic that she does indeed have makeup on to simulate a "natural" look. Why?! Why does it look that way...or why did she do that?
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
Joined: 4/27/2018
Msg: 500
Why do men lie to get a woman
Posted: 7/18/2018 4:42:26 AM
It doesn't matter what I said to you..

for any person to come out & publicly post what u did (threat of assault/violence) is messed up- u refuse to own it, rather, u deflect & blame me!

And how are u a relationship expert?

And my makeup use is non of anyone's business but my own...

Are you trying to legislate a woman (or a man's) use of cosmetics?

My makeup usage or lack of thereoff is not relevant to ur violent comment(s)

If I went to, let's say, a dentist, & I found he had under 1 year of education/experience, of course I'd point it out.

Ur so idiotic, it's like debating a mudpost, so I think after this post, I am going back to my "ignore" mode...


I've had too many almost-girlfriends myself who looked good like this, but sometimes wanted to do that makeup thing...and it ended up being a dealbreaker. No joke. Total turn-off. Her prerogative, sure. But she'll have to get a man who likes that. Not me.
I am sure there is a pile of women sobbing their eyes out, wiping their tears away...at the cosmetics counter ;0D
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