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 ohenryx
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So as a Job / Employment Income ..How do people view a Storeperson -Warehouse / Factory ,Forklift driver e.g. Manual labour ?.. Is that classified as an attractive job in todays society...?
I personally feel its good ,honest hardwork....

I agree that is good, honest work. I don’t think of it as “attractive” or “unattractive”. Overall, I think the more important thing would be employment history. If you have been gainfully employed for a number of years, pretty much your entire adult life, then, yes, I would say that should be a very positive thing, no matter if it were in a warehouse or an office.


BaldwinMotionPhaseIII
it really does depend upon our social-economic status, doesn't it ? :)

plenty of blue collar guys here can tell you about college educated white collar women who look great in a skirt and won't give them the time of day. some of us will date inside our league, and its not just a league based on physical looks, but also on our "status". If a hottie thinks i'm not of her social status, well...she could be right, and she can find a man who is, so who i am to hate upon her?

Ah, so we’re back to debating “leagues” again? (smile)

I do not believe in leagues based on “social-economic status”. I do believe in leagues based on things like age and attractiveness. I have dated women with much more money, some inherited, or gained from a previous marriage / divorce cycle, and others who worked for it and were highly successful in their careers. Very seldom was money a problem.

Once you have enough, money is no longer a big deal in your life. And by that, I mean enough to pay the bills and do the things that you like to do, and sometimes be a bit frivolous without worrying about it. For a single person, in this day and age, I would say maybe $70 or $80k a year gross should do it. If you’re married with kids, god only knows. But the amount is relative, it depends a great deal on what you consider to be a good life. I know people who make well under $50k and have no credit card debt, and no bills outside of rent and utilities. I know people making over $200k who are on the verge of bankruptcy.

My point is, if you have enough to support yourself comfortably in a lifestyle that you like, then money is not something that you worry about or think about incessantly.

The only 2 problems that I have encountered when dating women in a higher social-economic class are in the areas of travel and galas. I am not a big fan of travel, and it is not where I choose to spend my discretionary income, which puts me in conflict with women who love to travel. Two possible answers to that one: Go without me, and we’ll get together again when you get back. Or else, “we’re not a match, good luck”.

Now galas – this has really only happened to me once. A woman who inherited a great deal of money, and was very active in social movements and charities. Her life was one gala after another. She attended fund raising events at $100 a head on a regular basis, and that just wasn’t me. She offered to pay, and this was one occasion where I allowed the woman to pay. It was for good causes, and she just wanted to have an escort, so I went along. But I grew tired of that very quickly. Dressing up in a suit and tie, being on your best behavior, don’t drink too much, don’t say anything controversial. That just isn’t me.
 JGL209
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Posted: 10/21/2018 10:28:38 AM
As long as she treats me right and that I'm attracted to her then I don't care what she does for a living. But in all honesty if she was at a job that she could clearly do better I would motivate her to do better.
 julystorm22
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Posted: 10/21/2018 11:30:13 AM
I don't care what a guy does for a living but I would prefer that he makes more money than me. I guess this goes along with the same idea of wanting a guy who is taller and stronger than me. I can take care of myself, I do know that, but I want someone who doesn't need me to take care of him financially and protection-wise. I want a partner, someone who I can share my life with and share expenses with. Too long I was with a parasite and never again will I fall into that trap.
 TheEvolutionOfJessi
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Do you care what a person does for work?
Posted: 10/21/2018 6:51:18 PM
I recognise that I'm never gonna be a match for the "Masters Maestros"... and the upper level white collars... but I have enough life experience to at least converse with the Bachelor Brigade... even if I am a 'Certificate [level] Chick'...
But, when I'm involved, I care about what a person's work is... about their attitude to it and if they don't like being there, what they are doing to improve... and in turn, their work can (but not always) give an indication of their earning and spending capacity...
I look for a parity of attitudes towards actually working and if they aren't in paid employment, how they are spending their time eg volunteering or other socially acceptable daily living habits... I may have been out of the workforce for the last decade (and retraining now to come up to legislative standards) but I've been a teacher to a child, I've been volunteering my time to schools, aging in place facilities and animal refuge centres... I've been keeping up to date with employable certifications... and not one to sit around on my welfare 'rights and entitlements'... as I see many others doing...
So when it comes to 'viewing' and 'dating' someone... it does matter what lifestyle they lead.

(Yes, I hate my practical placement... and my work ethic is ride it through, just another five weeks and then I've got that certification to do what I really want to... my 'ambition bar' is not high, but it's set at better than where I'm at)
 BaldwinMotionPhaseIII
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Posted: 10/22/2018 11:25:12 AM
"is good honest work enough?"

>>if you believe its the reason to work, then it is. but as you know, there are doctors and teachers and cops who believe work should be more. and their opinion is right, too. my father met my mother in high school, but he went onto college and she did not. eventually in the marriage, he wanted her to apply for a supervisor job she didn't want. my last boss, who didn't graduate college, married an accountant who eventually made it known she hated he only worked for an X company. so, don't be shocked if a long term partner expresses an opinion that you move up to their level...or league, if you will :)

I used to work with a family who thought they were the "beautiful people". Mom looked like a blend of Farrah Faucett Majors and Jane Fonda, so she snagged a Type A to marry. He had an entreprenuer spirit, so between income and business deductions, the whole family lived well enough to take it for granted ("a leased new buick? ah man, everyone else has Mercedes, dad"). Like good church people who think their pious ways explains the good fortune in life, some people do think their looks put them in class above others. If you're born into good fortune, you rarely ask why you have it. but if you're poor, you never wonder about money--you are aware you don't have it. and like the young lass who diets and suddenly gets attention, if you better your fortune in life, you understand what kind of tool wealth is.
 siisaa
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Posted: 10/22/2018 1:13:33 PM
^^^ welcome back ;) I’ve missed your posts 🚗🚙🚘
as long as they are willing to do two jobs--blow and hand :)
Posted: 10/22/2018 5:02:19 PM

Many of the blue collar working men here have much better paying jobs than most white collar, college/university educated women


I believe it's not always about the job title. I've been in management and a business owner for over 20 years of my working life. You can have the nice title as manager but have employees under you making more money. I have a friend who has been the manager of a Dominos Pizza for many years. It's a nationally ranked store and he's paid pretty good for what he does. But... most of his drivers make more than he does. It's not uncommon for them to be making $20.00+ per hour. Some might look down at the driver because he's just a pizza guy. But he's doing pretty good.

I used to run a multi-million dollar internet company from an office in the back of my garage. My neighbors thought I was a drug dealer because I had a lot of very nice "toys" but they never saw me goto work. They later found out what I did as they got to know me. Some people might have looked at me as just playing on the computer to get by. But they wouldn't know the extent of it unless I told them.

Sometimes a person's profession isn't what it looks like from the outside.
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Posted: 10/22/2018 7:15:52 PM
Working in finance....I have learned to never judge a person's "toys" as a sign of wealth or status...
when the majority of those toys are bought on credit...
and they are so over extended that missing just a few weeks of work means not being able to make all those toy payments!!

I have also had the privelage to be in many peoples homes in a previous job...
Being "house poor" is very alive and well...
Live in a $400,000 home....but can't afford to furnish it!!

I will continue to judge my men on "who" they are....and not what they do for a living....or what they own or don't own.
as long as they are willing to do two jobs--blow and hand :)
Posted: 10/23/2018 6:24:58 AM
I was seeing a girl who's sister would sometimes come out with us. That was when I was 18. We'd occasional visit one of my friends at work and tried to set her up with him. She wasn't interested until she saw him driving a sports car one day. Her words were "Maybe he is kind of cute". They've been together for 30 years.
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Posted: 10/23/2018 7:05:51 AM
I think it is important what the other person does.

I personally wouldnt want to be with a nurse , or cop , or someone who does that shift work.
I wouldnt want to be with someone working in a restaurant , or making a lot less that I do.
 BaldwinMotionPhaseIII
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Posted: 10/23/2018 7:45:57 AM
thanks siisaa, i'm posting from a public library as a get-around, so this won't be a regular gig. don't want some schoolkid looking over my shoulder as i post on adult subjects :)

Micki does bring up a salient point, it behooves women to understand personal finance. not only to help themselves be independant of a man, but also to spot a con a mile off. this doesn't mean an entrepreneur shouldn't take advantage of tax codes and lease agreements, but...if you try to use a man for what he has, you open yourself up to a man using you for what you have. the result is, as usual..two people not recognizing the red flags they both wave furiously, as actual red flags.
 ohenryx
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Posted: 10/23/2018 3:50:37 PM

MsMicki
I have also had the privelage to be in many peoples homes in a previous job...
Being "house poor" is very alive and well...
Live in a $400,000 home....but can't afford to furnish it!!

I definitely agree, and could tell some stories, but will refrain. Most people have seen similar things.

I will note that in some parts of this country, $400,000 is a "starter house", "entry level", "first time home buyer", "cottage" -- you get my point. Southern California comes to mind. Up around the bay area, Silicon Valley, I'm not sure $400k would get you a vacant lot.
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Posted: 10/23/2018 6:04:38 PM

I will note that in some parts of this country, $400,000 is a "starter house", "entry level", "first time home buyer", "cottage" -- you get my point. Southern California comes to mind. Up around the bay area, Silicon Valley, I'm not sure $400k would get you a vacant lot.

Oh I get that....but you don't see much over 400K in these parts...
and doesn't matter what you spend on a house if you can't afford to furnish it!!
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Posted: 10/24/2018 7:16:35 AM

I personally wouldnt want to be with a nurse , or cop , or someone who does that shift work.

Not all cops, nurses etc work crazy hours. Some do work the standard 8am-4pm shift with some occasional OT. While dating someone that works a different shift can be more challenging, it's not an automatic dealbreaker for me. We could go out on dates during days off from work. Or when I worked the 2nd shift at a job from 3pm-11pm, sometimes I would have lunch with a woman that worked the day shift during her lunch break.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 12:40:28 PM
It does suck working all the evenings and weekends. However, this past year I finally worked my way up in senority so I dropped working at the nursing home which eliminated the night shifts and reduced my evenings and I now only work 6 or 7 hour shifts rather than 12 hours. This kind of job does not make it easy trying to date.
 ohenryx
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Posted: 10/24/2018 6:59:39 PM
I was looking at a profile on Ok*Cupid just the other day. Woman said she was looking for an unconventional relationship as she was only available every other weekend. I’m not sure what that was about, but I sent a message asking. Haven’t heard back, probably won’t, but I’m still curious.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 7:47:25 PM
LOL, First 30 years of my adult working years, I worked in a hospital. All 3 shifts, up to 7 consecutive years , on duty every other weekend to every third weekend and many holidays...………………..never ever hurt my dating availability!

For the record, I avoided dating co-workers, cops or EMT"S. I partied with them but didn't date them.
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Posted: 10/25/2018 2:00:39 PM

I agree that is good, honest work.

I prefer dishonest work, like many people do. ;)

If you have been gainfully employed for a number of years, pretty much your entire adult life, then, yes, I would say that should be a very positive thing, no matter if it were in a warehouse or an office.

Depends what it is and what it provides though (notably for guys). But sure, being able to hold down a job is a requirement to be in the positive range for anyone in any "class". I think what you refer to alone would be a positive when it comes to a majority of men sizing up a female. But not the other way around so much.

I do not believe in leagues based on “social-economic status”. I do believe in leagues based on things like age and attractiveness.

Do you mean You don't care yourself, or that you don't believe leagues exist among the masses based on social-economic status? I think it does, but not in the same way in all population sectors. But in more "elite" pockets, it does.
But outside of that, it can still play a potential Increase role. Example:

Jim: "Yeah, she is really cute. What's she doing with him? She could Definitely do better." (out of his league)
Bob: "Oh, that's Travis. He owns a pretty nice company. Makes tons of bank, and has some good connections."
Zack: "No, that's not Travis. That's Ricky. He's a DJ, he has coke parties. He's got tons of social connections."

But usually this kind of stuff Doesn't play a role in the sizing-up factor, because a vast majority don't fit into this zone. It's just a potential to Increase your Dating Value, if you stick out. I would say more often there's the potential to Negate your Value, like, living with your parents or not being able to hold down a job.

Once you have enough, money is no longer a big deal in your life. And by that, I mean enough to pay the bills and do the things that you like to do, and sometimes be a bit frivolous without worrying about it.

I agree. How much that is depends on where you live, how many other beings you have to support, and how long you've been set that way (retirement, backup, future, etc). And of course, what your realistic day-to-day spending will be. A guy making $200k a year who spends tons of $$ a day + 3 kids and a wife who doesn't work on a huge oversized mortgage, has no bragging rights over a single guy making $100k a year with no kids living with a GF who makes $50k a year, who both handle their money well.
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Posted: 10/26/2018 10:28:50 AM


I do not believe in leagues based on “social-economic status”


norwegianguy456
Do you mean You don't care yourself, or that you don't believe leagues exist among the masses based on social-economic status? I think it does, but not in the same way in all population sectors. But in more "elite" pockets, it does.

You are correct that I was speaking for myself. The world is a big place, filled with people who are all unique individuals. While some will agree with my way of thinking on this subject, there are many who won’t. Which is okay, we don’t have to be in agreement with everyone, all we need are a few to date, and eventually, one. Unless, of course, you’re a polygamist, but …
 adventurejoe70
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Posted: 10/27/2018 7:40:33 AM

Do you mean You don't care yourself, or that you don't believe leagues exist among the masses based on social-economic status? I think it does, but not in the same way in all population sectors. But in more "elite" pockets, it does.

Holy Batusis! NG used a qualifier. I guess I got through to him ;)

For the record, I avoided dating co-workers, cops or EMT"S. I partied with them but didn't date them

You don't know what you are missing! Funny a lot of cops I knew were married to Doctors, nurses and stripper/dancers. Must be the "like" hours. But many married to teachers as well, go figure.

LIR, if Henry likes you, he views you as a person that has sex right away. That's the only value he places on women

That statement makes very little sense. Perhaps it is more like"if he likes you he wishes that you have sex right way"? If so he is absolutely correct. He is a man and he should follow his biological programming, as we all should do. I tend to reserve "seeing someone" as a person to those I have NO romantic interest. It isn't a compliment. Sure beats being the nice guy who is lying that he is asexual.

I always find it odd that when a guy does like that once in a while and enjoys the single scene, he's a player.

Never understood the line" player". If he is honest with the women he meets about his attentions..he isn't a player. No one got played.

Many of the blue collar working men here have much better paying jobs than most white collar, college/university educated women and it is not uncommon to see them coupled up.

That is often true. I got the = of a PHD(in credits) but made my money being a gunslinger for the MAN. I always wished to have more skills and less useless "formal "education.

I'd probably be interested in police men and security guards and other similar positions.
My boyfriend is a security guard.
It's just fun to talk about and I like the guns and it requires a lot of balls and skills.
Other jobs are pretty boring in comparison.
I don't really find trades attractive or men who use their hands in their work.
Or retail. I guess government jobs could be attractive and lawyers.
Basically I find the authoritative positions attractive.

2 things:
a.Security guards and police men aren't the same thing..NOT even close. Saying so would be considered insulting to most cops and most employers looking for security guards will NOT hire police officers. The job expectations are usually completely the opposite.
b. Most rookie cops are being warned to keep away from YOU lol. Badge bunnies are usually VERY nutty in the head and can jam up an honest lawman any day.

I will note that in some parts of this country, $400,000 is a "starter house", "entry level", "first time home buyer", "cottage" -- you get my point. Southern California comes to mind. Up around the bay area, Silicon Valley, I'm not sure $400k would get you a vacant lot.


I wish. 400k on my block will buy you a 1BR coop apt which means you have ownership in the co op and you still pay 1k "rent" per month. 800k , maybe will buy you a home that is 90 yrs old where the subway runs through the backyard.

My 2 cents is that women tend to care a bit about a mans type of employment , and men rarely care AS MUCH. Most important is IMHO being able to spend time together. Compatible work schedules should be most important. I don't care if she works because if she is financially independent like myself it means more time having fun. I feel like Michelle P. in Scarface waiting at home to be F#%^^ lol. As for the statement that travel is an expensive lifestyle, I say hogwash. One of the reasons Seniors are dominating the travel industry is they have the time and some money. It doesn't take a lot. When you can go at anytime YOU would be surprised at how low costs can be. There are plane tickets that cost less than a train ticket and ABNB has made rooms cheap.
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Posted: 10/27/2018 11:13:04 AM
Regarding cops and security guards not being the same thing....most of the security guards who work at the hospital I'm at are ex-cops using this job as a retirement gig to put extra money away while collecting their pensions. But I do recognize they are the same things. There'sa reason cops look at being a security guard as easy money.
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Posted: 10/27/2018 12:26:36 PM
^^^
Can't comment on "hospital security" but here in the city the Hospital's have a force of peace officers who are hired to guard the hospitals. They are not your avg security guard and they are gov't employees.
Unless it is a job for specialized" security" I don't know one cop that would work regular security for extra income. There are numerous reasons for that:
1. Horrible pay. In NYC the top security per hour is about 20 dollars per hour. I don't know any cops that would crawl out of bed to do that. I assume it is less in other places.
2. Most jobs in security these days aren't for armed positions because of liability issues. Cops tend to refuse being un armed and if an unarmed position, the salary would be lower so , again, it doesn't pay crawl out of bed.
3. There are numerous jobs that actually reward and use the knowledge and experience cops have developed in their career as to avoid standing around for min wage, risking their lives.
examples:
1. body guard( plenty of rich famous people wanting that)
2. Driver/ family body guard= these jobs pay the most, my ex partner gets about 80k a yr plus ot( that's in addition to his 70k pension) to drive some rich real estate tycoon around. He gets a take home luxury car and gets paid for his drive in an home to work.
3. Teaching. Certain skills are wanted in Federal academies. I know a counter terror Lt who makes over 6 figures teaching at a Federal LEA in the south.
4. ANOTHER police job. Most cops here retire to Florida and if they get bored get another LEA job and work on a second pension.
5. Insurance companies. Anyone with Highway can easily be recruited to work for the big insurance companies.
6. Become a police executive in a small town someplace(plenty of NYPD go on to be chiefs in some small town in New England)
The list goes on. Much safer and better paid
7. Go to Law school,etc.
Realize Canada and USA is a bit different. For example one of the reasons NO sane business that deals with the public wants a cop is simply because the cops have concealed weapons and the company can be sued if something happens and very likely something will happen because cops are trained to apprehend while most security guards are trained to just watch and call the cops. Apprehensions lead to lawsuits.
But again salaries might be different in Canada vs USA where every dept a different pay scale. Cops in long Island make up to 200k (our suburbs) to take cats out of the tree and do DWI arrests all day, and we have I think better pensions and MORE important cheap warmer climates to retire to ;)
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Posted: 10/27/2018 1:31:06 PM

LIR, if Henry likes you, he views you as a person that has sex right away. That's the only value he places on women.



That statement makes very little sense



Hey Mr Wolf, LOL, Lil' Red here, It made sense to the person tapping the keyboard at the time. She was lookin' for a way to insult me, an under handed jab, and she took the opportunity to get a 2'fer...………... for the price of one. Insult Ohenry AND me.
I considered the source, enjoyed an evil laugh, and carried on. Now THAT makes sense!
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Posted: 10/27/2018 3:53:52 PM
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Ah! GOTCHA RED. If you like I will huff and puff a bit!
Let me break this one apart:


And? He doesn't want to sit at home for all eternity while waiting for sex. Can you blame him? He's bored.

So he should wait an eternity for sex? and doing so means hes bored?
SEX is healthy(even good exercise) and a human need even. Beats reruns of All in the Family!


I don't care about him thinking he's a player.

That is VERY big of you. After all we ALL shouldn't care what others think of themselves. That being said, the term is usually not self imposed. It is a perception from others.


It's encouraging women to be hos for men, and applauding women her for their low self-esteem that put out in order to "try" to secure a relationship.

What do you care? You sound like the "mother hens" that c@#$bl#$k men all the time and worst do it to the other women. REAL self esteem is worrying about what YOU DO AND doing IT, NOT telling others what to do and judging them..WHICH YOU DID BY CALLING THEM "HO'S".
On that note WE ALL do things for the other sex that sometimes we wouldn't do otherwise. Sex is at least natural and safe sex is free. You think men enjoy working 60 hr work weeks just to afford a nice looking pad to impress women? or to buy this or that, etc?

Heck looking back I wasted A LOT of time doing things that if women disappeared from the planet I would never do in a million years. WE ALL do things to attract the other sex and keep them. It is very natural thing to do and has been done for thousands of years. Lets not fix what isn't broken! It is all part of modern courtship.

Looking back at my "mother hen" comment, I realize if you truly are from NYC then it can't be true. NYC is ONE of the ONLY cities in the US and world I have been to where Mother hens are rare. I am constantly amazed how women in this city don't care when their friends want to stay out all night hanging with a guy and the friends just leave them alone. My friends from LA are always in awe. They say back there friends rarely will go home leaving their friends behind. I guess I live in a city of "ho's"..by your definition.
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Posted: 10/27/2018 5:31:21 PM
Most college educated career women will not date a man who makes less money than them. They complain all the time about not being able to find suitable men to date. They are not looking to date factory workers or security guards. They want college educated men who make as much money as them.
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