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 Million_Reasons
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"That is the nicest thing you have said to me yet. Thank you. You see, you don't always have to be nasty. You can at times be nice too. :)"

You're welcome.

"Might I say to you dear, you ain't no kj521...that's not meant as a compliment though :-)"

Sorry...gonna have to take it as a compliment seeing as I am real and kj521 doesn't exist...and you did just call me nice. ;)



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"lol... just watched a clip of aoc questioning a wells Fargo executive.
saying wells Fargo should be responsible for global warming!"

According to Crazypants...the WF exec was responsible for the "caging of children" at the southern border, too! Smh!
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Posted: 3/14/2019 5:57:16 PM
Vlad this is what Trump said to his political opponents yesterday:

***“I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of Bikers for Trump — I have tough people, but they don’t play it tough until they go to a certain point and then it would be very, very bad.” – Donald Trump***

his supporters haven't batted an eye.

The guy is a psychopath, and they voted for him anyway, support him anyway. This is not due to Hillary as much as his supporters prove they are deplorables every time they ignore crap like this. It was dumb of Hillary to say that, it cost her the election but it is now clear she was totally accurate.
 rednwhiterider
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Posted: 3/14/2019 6:07:42 PM
did you not just alienate first responders, American service men and women, and motorcycle riders of all things?

and you think that is going to make you what?
friends?

try a smaller paintbrush.
 Million_Reasons
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Is he wrong?

Uh...there is a....reason....why the Democrats are called "Snowflakes" Hahaha!

Do you need us to create a "safe space" for you?

How about we dedicate the next 3 posts to be "Kav22 free" spaces? Will that help? :)
 BaldwinMotionPhaseIII
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Posted: 3/15/2019 9:23:57 AM
in order to get around my banishment, i have to post from a public library that will close for the next 48 hrs, so once again, Vlad, i'm giving you brief rebuttals. sorry for that, but thanks for the complient on my past posts.. first, over here people who live in trailers are people who don't need to live in a slum (apartments that are never repaired) but can't afford a house. so a trailer house is a middle ground, and they rent the land they park it on, typically a trailer park. their income may be considered, working class to lower middle class, so they aren't poor like those forced to live in slums not repaired by the slumlords until the government cracks down on them. but of course, those living in trailers can suffer an economic downturn, like the rest of us.

Second, my family growing up cycled in and out of poverty, so i do know poor people can be poor for no blame of their own. but they can also adapt to change and change their circumstances, as we did. and we all know someone who doesn't do well in life due to their own stubborness, blaming everyone but them, and continuing to freeload. i don't think anyone likes the black sheep of their family.

you asked about white male privilege. i could repeat things i've shown in the past, but for variety, here's a new issue most don't think of: america taxes female hygiene products, making it another burden for poor women not shared by men:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/08/the-tampon-tax-explained/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3c08f8ddf963

I liked the article you linked, except for this line:

"today, 17.3 million white Americans (about twice as many as African Americans) are listed as living in poverty. "

click on its link, however, and you find this instead:

"While the poverty rate for the population as a whole is 12.3% the rate varies greatly by race. Blacks have the highest poverty rate at 21.2% and Non-Hispanic whites the lowest at 8.7%.

The Poverty rate for Blacks and Hispanics is more than double that of non-Hispanic Whites"

so why get it wrong? but i did like appalachia as an example. democratic safety nets since the days of LBJ have helped it, but when a black man ran for president, a normally democrat area went republican (yes, race seemed to be an issue)

"But the other reason Clinton could always compete in Kentucky while Obama never could is one that does not appear anywhere in the Post story: race....Six years ago, in the midst of a still-heated contest for the Democratic presidential nomination, George Packer traveled to Kentucky, where voters there registered surprisingly candid reasons for their support for Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama. The mere fact that Kentuckians would endorse Clinton (whose base within the Party leaned heavily on the white working class) was the opposite of surprising. What shocked about Packer’s report was, first, the explicitly racial tone of the opposition. Voters were not bothering to couch their disdain for Obama in euphemisms about affirmative action or crime or even Jeremiah Wright. They were saying things like, “I think [Obama] would put too many minorities in positions over the white race.” Nearly as surprising was the fact that, despite such beliefs, they were willing to vote for Democrats anyway."

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/02/why-do-appalachians-love-clinton-and-hate-obama.html

but Obama still found it in his heart to help them (as opposed to chump who targets opponents publically and often--his nixon list is right out there in the open, ask Chris Christie)

https://www.kentucky.com/opinion/editorials/article127345334.html

and yes, HRC said she was going to shut down the coal mines, and that didn't help. but honestly, they produce tobacco and coal, and we know both products cause painful, fatal lung ailments. should we keep producing harmful products? an hour east of where i type this is a former industrial area--from colonial times until after WW2. the jobs moved away, and no one seemed to worry about those citizens. ironically, the local native americans, the people who got denied land rights and had to hide their ancestry, fought to create the right to have casinos, and now that's the economic engine in those blighted areas. not that casino and hotel workers make much. but the sad fact is, no one needs to built a factory there anymore b/c we don't need rivers to power water wheels. so business goes elsewhere. is it right? is it fair? or is it just reality?

another thing from your article, was the mention of how italian and polish and irish immigrants were treated. the same damn way Chump treats mexican immigrants (too bad the article didn't dare to point that out). invading hordes of terrorists and criminals and swarthy lovers. so chump and his "build the wall!" chanters are apparently in the boat of all those who picked on the white immigrants--the original america first of the 1920's, led by charles lindbergh.

"Politics will NEVER be the same again in your country."

>>>its going to be interesting to see what happens. the great depression and the dustbowl convinced america capitalism needed to be reigned in, that there should be social safety net programs. america eventually pulled away, yet it might return if the middle class disappears. vlad, you keep asking why does chump get support if he's so wrong, so i'm going to explain it again.

he lost the popular vote to a candidate a lot of people, in fact, do not like or trust.

he had to lie about the amount of people at his inaugeration

his poll numbers are low

people who work for him, label him an f'ing moron.

republicans who don't work for him, label him unfit for office until they need something from him.

in other words...he just ain't universally popular. and that's the answer to your question. he caters to a numerical minority. a better question may be, why did millions more vote for a corporate shill (or whatever they call HRC) over a nationalist who claimed to be a populist and was going to bring back coal mining and factory jobs? did more americans not lose these jobs, and so they weren't as interested? were they doing well enough under the obama economy? were there fewer angry white men, and so a claim to MAGA made them think it was a return to the old days, where they didn't have the rights they feel they have now? certainly there are poor blacks and hispanics and women, according to your article, so why did they not find chump's xenophobia as comforting as the minority who voted for him and continue to support him?
 kavapaw22
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^^^^ I don't get that. They wanted me gone so bad they actually created a script that automatically went after my Ata profiles...they have never been able to prevent me from posting from my various devices though, whether I use my Android, my laptop, my desktop, my tablet. I have five computers in my office too if I need them. I do use security software, including Kaspersky, which prevents collecting info on my computer. I use dynamic IPs that are always changing, so they can't target a particular IP, I use different browsers when necessary. I have heard that some could never seem to post here...Crookcather comes to mind....my only problem was my regular profile terminations...but I always had spare profiles in reserve that I created with different IP addresses so they could not easily detect and delete.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/15/2019 11:00:51 AM
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See. Now that's a decent post. You have to remember I'm over in Scotland looking in. Yes i read a lot and watch documentaries about shermanland.

Fvck knows. All this posters getting bans and nuked. Fvckin pathetic. Anyway..............

"first, over here people who live in trailers are people who don't need to live in a slum (apartments that are never repaired) but can't afford a house. so a trailer house is a middle ground, and they rent the land they park it on, typically a trailer park. their income may be considered, working class to lower middle class, so they aren't poor like those forced to live in slums not repaired by the slumlords until the government cracks down on them. but of course, those living in trailers can suffer an economic downturn, like the rest of us."


Are there NO slum areas where poor white folk live then? I mind watching a telly thing about south central in los angeles. The ghetto. Fvck me detached houses with front and back gardens.

Slum landlords exist in Scotland as well. And Scotland is around 90% white. So white citizens live in shite holes as well................

"Overcrowding scandal as slum landlords 'squeeze over 20,000 Scottish families into cramped homes'"

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/overcrowding-scandal-slum-landlords-squeeze-12288721


"Second, my family growing up cycled in and out of poverty, so i do know poor people can be poor for no blame of their own. but they can also adapt to change and change their circumstances, as we did. and we all know someone who doesn't do well in life due to their own stubborness, blaming everyone but them, and continuing to freeload. i don't think anyone likes the black sheep of their family."

Agreed. Although that applies to poor folk of all races and religions. I've posted before about how we have vast swathes of welfare dependent families. But if you are welfare dependent then you are compliant to the states wishes..................

"you asked about white male privilege. i could repeat things i've shown in the past, but for variety, here's a new issue most don't think of: america taxes female hygiene products, making it another burden for poor women not shared by men:"

Yes most nations tax sanitary products. But you get the odd exceptions who buck the trend...............

"Scotland to offer free sanitary products to all students in world first
Scottish government unveils £5.2m scheme to help ‘banish scourge of period poverty’"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/24/scotland-to-offer-free-sanitary-products-to-all-students-in-world-first
 vlad dracul
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"I liked the article you linked, except for this line:
"today, 17.3 million white Americans (about twice as many as African Americans) are listed as living in poverty. "

so why get it wrong? but i did like appalachia as an example. democratic safety nets since the days of LBJ have helped it, but when a black man ran for president, a normally democrat area went republican (yes, race seemed to be an issue)"


Maybe the geezer got the numbers wrong. But hey poor is poor is poor. Poverty doesn't recognise race. So where does the poor white folk get their privilege from?.................

"But the other reason Clinton could always compete in Kentucky while Obama never could is one that does not appear anywhere in the Post story: race....Six years ago, in the midst of a still-heated contest for the Democratic presidential nomination, George Packer traveled to Kentucky, where voters there registered surprisingly candid reasons for their support for Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama."


Which in a way shows the melting pot that was meant to be america is anything but. But a wee question. Is it only white folk who vote along racial lines?...............

"The mere fact that Kentuckians would endorse Clinton (whose base within the Party leaned heavily on the white working class) was the opposite of surprising. What shocked about Packer’s report was, first, the explicitly racial tone of the opposition. Voters were not bothering to couch their disdain for Obama in euphemisms about affirmative action or crime or even Jeremiah Wright. They were saying things like, “I think [Obama] would put too many minorities in positions over the white race.” Nearly as surprising was the fact that, despite such beliefs, they were willing to vote for Democrats anyway."

Yet the last sentence says it all to me like...............


"but Obama still found it in his heart to help them (as opposed to chump who targets opponents publically and often--his nixon list is right out there in the open, ask Chris Christie)"

Obama seen it in his heart to help voters who voted for him?.................


"and yes, HRC said she was going to shut down the coal mines, and that didn't help. but honestly, they produce tobacco and coal, and we know both products cause painful, fatal lung ailments. should we keep producing harmful products?"

And did she say what jobs were going to replace the ones that were going to be lost? Or did she no really give a toss? If you are going to put thousands out of work do you not think there should be other work to employ folk?.................


"an hour east of where i type this is a former industrial area--from colonial times until after WW2. the jobs moved away, and no one seemed to worry about those citizens. ironically, the local native americans, the people who got denied land rights and had to hide their ancestry, fought to create the right to have casinos, and now that's the economic engine in those blighted areas. not that casino and hotel workers make much. but the sad fact is, no one needs to built a factory there anymore b/c we don't need rivers to power water wheels. so business goes elsewhere. is it right? is it fair? or is it just reality?"


Oh i know it's reality. But unless you have a safety net then can you really blame those thrown on the scrapheap start looking outwith the tired old political parties?...............

"another thing from your article, was the mention of how italian and polish and irish immigrants were treated. the same damn way Chump treats mexican immigrants (too bad the article didn't dare to point that out). invading hordes of terrorists and criminals and swarthy lovers. so chump and his "build the wall!" chanters are apparently in the boat of all those who picked on the white immigrants--the original america first of the 1920's, led by charles lindbergh."


If we are going that far back then we need context. Most folk going to shermanland were escaping something. Whether it was poverty or religion. Back in those times new immigrants had a torrid time. Back breaking work was available. But there WAS work.
 vlad dracul
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Maybe yous need another economical miracle? Yet if you have millions living in poverty or just getting by are you really surprised that migration is an issue? It's just someone else arriving to fight for jobs...............


"Politics will NEVER be the same again in your country."
>>>its going to be interesting to see what happens. the great depression and the dustbowl convinced america capitalism needed to be reigned in, that there should be social safety net programs. america eventually pulled away, yet it might return if the middle class disappears."

And that is interesting. Maybe yous need a Corporate State?..........


"The New American Corporate State

While the intellectual origins of the corporate state go back much further, the first serious attempt to implement such a system was in 1920s Italy by Benito Mussolini.

Under that system, state-sponsored industry cartels programmed every aspect of economic life, from wages and working conditions to prices, production levels and product specifications.

Nearly every commercial action required a government license, which would be denied to those who showed insufficient loyalty to the state and its goals.

In the United States President Franklin Delano Roosevelt was almost certainly an admirer of Mussolini's economic system, as he copied many of its salient features into the code authorities and commercial licensing requirements of the National Industrial Recovery Act (which eventually was struck down by the Supreme Court).

Prices, wages, production quotas and, in effect, nearly every detail of business practices in an industry were to be set by small groups of government, labor and industry leaders.

The president was given the power to unilaterally revoke the right to do business, without any further due process, of any enterprise in America if it refused to conform to this reincarnation of the Medieval guild system.

https://www.forbes.com/2010/08/26/government-business-labor-opinions-columnists-warren-meyer.html#38e1aeae6140


"vlad, you keep asking why does chump get support if he's so wrong, so i'm going to explain it again."

Well let me put it another way then. Why did clinton not get t h e support instead?.........

"he lost the popular vote to a candidate a lot of people, in fact, do not like or trust."

That means nothing. It's the way elections are carried out in your nation. And until your electoral system changes then it's how it will be..............

"he had to lie about the amount of people at his inaugeration"

Someone in politics lies shock...............

"his poll numbers are low"

They can go to zero but he is still your president..............

"people who work for him, label him an f'ing moron."

Lol I've called folk I've worked for worse than that...............

"republicans who don't work for him, label him unfit for office until they need something from him."

Exactly. They hated that he upset their cosy wee world.................


"in other words...he just ain't universally popular. and that's the answer to your question. he caters to a numerical minority."

Yes. And WHY did that numerical minority vote for him? Because he was the only one who listened to what they had to say.............

"a better question may be, why did millions more vote for a corporate shill (or whatever they call HRC) over a nationalist who claimed to be a populist and was going to bring back coal mining and factory jobs?"

I cannot speak for those millions. Clinton ticked all the right boxes. Bent over backwards to embrace every identity. Except for one that is. Poor white folks.................

"did more americans not lose these jobs, and so they weren't as interested? were they doing well enough under the obama economy?"

How can doing trade deals that put millions of american workers on the scrap heap mean workers were doing well?...............

"were there fewer angry white men, and so a claim to MAGA made them think it was a return to the old days, where they didn't have the rights they feel they have now?"

Yep. They should have had hats made saying Neo Liberalism And Globalism. As they watched their jobs going down the swannee.............

"certainly there are poor blacks and hispanics and women, according to your article, so why did they not find chump's xenophobia as comforting as the minority who voted for him and continue to support him?"

Probably for the same reason poor whites never found clintons globalism comforting perchance.

Ps any of yous fancy giving this a watch? Chris McGlade. He's from Redcar in englandshire. Redcar WAS a steel making town. The last few thousand workers got thrown on the scrap heap a couple of years back.
The thing below is called The Right To Hate. I'd appreciate any comments. Ta.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aUGmeOe1zkU
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/why-do-appalachians-love-clinton-and-hate-obama.html


Maybe they feel they had more in common with people named Hill and Billy?



a return to the old days,


When SELF-reliance was actually an admirable trait.
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Posted: 3/16/2019 6:36:26 AM
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That’s precisely what I’m talking about. Pre-Reaganism, when the U.S. (and the U.K.) economic system was more towards democratic socialism. Not that far, but definitely closer than it is now.


Well, when corporate America decided to give politicians tons of money,..... in exchange for favorable financial legislation....the doors of hell swung wide open and those who swung them open made sure they could never get shut.
Pre-Reagan..........the banks were forced to pay no less than 5, 1/4 % interest on savings accounts....thereby promoting people to save more......but the banking system forever got "deregulated"...among others.


Now all we get is capitalism of, for, and by the rich…the rest is on their own, and for the most part, that leaves the rest behind. On the surface, it seems to work, largely due to the cheerleading of the conservative corporate pro-business and pro-war MSM


Not to mention the many stupid people who were taken in by the Republican rhetoric,...... and convinced them to vote against their own interests.


but if you look deeper at the dysfunction and social problems of a large swath of the population being left behind …not to mention the trillions of debt we’ve accumulated during that same period of “prosperity”


they don't care about that............who is left behind, and what state they leave society in!...........they will tell these same (stupid) people that it is because of immigrants swarming in.......taking all of what should be going to them


the truth isn’t nearly as clear as the billionaires and financiers want us to believe.


as long as they prop up the right politicians to do their binding.....the rest is easy


Personally I don’t think this trend is sustainable. At some point, the people will start seeing past the MSM distraction tools of tabloid spectacle …. and see that they’re flat-out being ripped off! And Trump, Brexit, etc. etc. is the start of that realization.


Well........that is just great!
So we got into this predicament because of corporate greed..............and now we've voted in somebody who will not only further more greed.........but take it to a whole new level....................yes, as long as the stupid faction of this society continues to believe that the cause of the problems are immigrants and "brown people" (instead of greed and corruption on the highest echelons)...very little will change........it will be like the almost imperceptible decline of the Roman Empire............they kept doing the very same things that was contributing their decadence.


One can have a very strong argument that Trump, et. al, is the wrong way to go, and they are probably correct, but when the alternative was to maintain the status quo, (HRC) representing the above, then, we get voters willing to roll the dice.


I will agree that HRC was not the answer for this country.............but neither was Trump. Many are fooled by the visible rise in the stock market (which was already happening in the Obama years.....and would not have been too different if it would have been possible for him to gain a 3rd term)..............but as I believe you already pointed out, even with job creations....there hasn't much rise in wages......................the jobs being created are largely in the same sectors as the ones when Obama was in office.........................and service sector jobs can disappear just as fast as they are made (remember the "dot com" jobs).

The voters have "rolled the dice" ( just by the new tax law favoring the rich)......we have lost


and just becase we passed NAFTA means nothing vis a vis the TPP...I opposed NAFTA too! I believed Perot's "giant sucking sound," and he was right!!



I would agree............and that means that you would also have to be against the USMCA....besides some changes in the window dressing,....it is mechanically the same!


You win that one. The tax cuts are ruinous. I think it’s possible any other viable 2016 GOP candidate i.e. a “non-disrupt0r” would have done it too though.


you can say lots about HRC.......but I seriously doubt she would have been that generous to the top 1%.......ballooning the deficit by over 1 trillion



OK, let’s dissect. It isn’t a secret that working class wages have been stagnant, or declining for decades “at home.” This is in spite of other grand trade deals. There is no reason to believe the TPP would be any different. And “profits at home,” well, we know where the profits are realized has nothing to do with where the good working class jobs are. Look at Apple for that one example. So I still stand by my initial doubts on his "reality check."


I see your point....but as I think I said.......with a "fair" TPP in place............it would be incumbent on US manufacturing to come into line with their foreign competitors............otherwise be penalized through tariffs.


Agree, but don't thikn the TPP addresses these things. If we aren’t doing it now with China, or other trade agreements we should not believe it will happen with any new trade agreements. The dirty secret is freedom loving, flag waving American companies love communist countries as long as the governments keep a boot on labor’s throat.


This is where we would need the good faith of our politicians when these agreements get made.....sticking up for benefit of the American worker....instead of corporate profits..............which I don't think either party will do.
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"Are there NO slum areas where poor white folk live then?"

>>>funny you ask. if you google "poor whites", you'll read about hillbillies (interestingly, Bill Clinton grew up "poor white" and initially had their favor). you may know about South Boston from movies like the Departed and Good Will Hunting. they hated blacks in nearby Roxbury,

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/11/a-40-year-friendship-forged-by-the-challenges-of-busing/502733/

but their biggest scourge was one of their own--gangster James Whitey Bulger, who got his own movie about south boston, Black Mass.

"I mind watching a telly thing about south central in los angeles."

>>>funny you mention that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Los_Angeles

As released slaves left segregation in the south for jobs at factories in the north (and some of those cities suffered "white flight" out of the cities and into the suburbs after the murder of MLK Jr.), they still found they got steered into certain neighborhoods, just as some used to be Irish or Polish or Jewish or Italian immigrants (who's decendants, of course, could pass as white when america assimulated them). It would also be easier for a white to get a bank loan for a business or a house than a black. and finally there's this thing the real estate agents do called "redlining".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/03/28/redlining-was-banned-50-years-ago-its-still-hurting-minorities-today/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.76c38a195a4a

blacks generally got shoved into certain neighborhoods, and as prices in LA go up, whites now gentrify (buy empoverished areas cheap, invest and raise their value for sale or better collateral for future loans) that area you mentioned.

"Maybe yous need a Corporate State?"

>>>we used to have "company towns", esp. in the coal states but my home state had some around the big clothing mill factories. I did watch your Chris McGlade video, thank you, and of course would like to point out...other groups could claim his grievances, as well. Muslims and Christians would like to be allowed to hate homosexuality or abortion or other things, as one example. so everyone has grievances, perhaps even the same ones, and the question is, when they cross, can we allow the complaints of one group to infringe on another? Obviously AOC has expressed grievances, so why don't we let her have as much attention and effort as we give McGlade? his town once did well, he's said his piece, she's said her's, maybe we take turns trying to solve the grievances of each group? Hopefully he runs for office someday--if she could win, why not he? if white supremicists in New Zealand want to hate, how far do we let that go? we can allow speech, but that seems to always turn to action.
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Posted: 3/24/2019 3:09:13 AM
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I mind you saying you quite liked some of the articles from spiked-online.

Did you by chance see these two essays?.................


"Globalists’ greatest fear is not the state – it’s the people.

Today’s globalists have lost faith in reason guiding people’s actions. Their disregard for democracy was revealed starkly in 2016, when they openly showed their contempt for the British people who voted to leave the European Union and for the American people who elected Donald Trump.

The globalist indifference to respecting democratic decision-making rests on their disavowal of the efficacy of human agency.

Take, for instance, this 2007 statement from Alan Greenspan, the then recently retired chairman of the US Federal Reserve, who was asked by a Swiss newspaper who the next president of the United States might be. ‘We are fortunate’, he replied, ‘that, thanks to globalisation, policy decisions in the US have been largely replaced by global market forces… it hardly makes any difference who will be the next president. The world is governed by market forces.’ (1)"

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/03/15/globalism-a-world-in-chains/

And part 2............


"This is the second essay in a two-part series by Phil Mullan exploring the political and economic creed of globalism.

Neoliberalism’s intellectual heritage is actually much more central European than it is American or British.

Carl Menger, the founder of the neoliberal Austrian School of economics, who died in 1921, was born in present-day Poland.

And its two leading figures, both of whom came to prominence during the 20th century, were also from central and eastern Europe. Ludwig von Mises was Ukrainian, and Friedrich Hayek was born in Vienna.

What these thinkers all shared was a set of unusual formative experiences: a proximity to and a greater personal awareness of the 1917 Russian Revolution and, later, of Stalinism and Nazi fascism.

Moreover, neoliberalism was never really simply an economic doctrine. Rather, it was much more a political project.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/03/22/the-truth-about-neoliberalism/
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Why Are People Obsessed With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?
Posted: 3/25/2019 9:29:55 AM
Vlad, thanks for the articles. they are thought-provoking, and maybe don't go far enough, but then again, its quite a large subject to tackle. we can't really separate politics from economics from world peace. the politics that drives our economy and the both of these that drive our foriegn policies, may be like that quote about democracy..a poor way of doing things yet better than the other choices.

prior to WW1, monarchies generally conducted foriegn policy (with exceptions of course, like america turning the philippines into a colony) limited by parliments created by a middle class (in itself created by the industrial revolution that gave us laissez faire economics and free markets) that wanted more representation. we might all agree, monarchies aren't the way to run things, and their stepchild dictatorships aren't as well (except the GOP really loves strongmen) WW1, however, was labeled the war to end all wars, as technology made it a meatgrinder stalemate of a war. its end led to the end of the power of monarchies, and the rise of communism. the league of nations wasn't just some power grab, it was an actual fear of another war. after all, its nice to say that nations need to follow laws, but who makes those laws, and what body enforces those laws? on a smaller level, if government makes laws, can it really break what it made (one example, when trump pushes his son in law to have top secret clearance despite Flynn, trump is breaking the rule of law. but to quote nixon, is it truly legal if the president does it? are leaders above the law for the greater good?).

and then there was the economy. europe was so ravaged, the catholic church allied with the fascists in germany, spain, and italy as a buffer to communism, b/c no one else was strong enough. these governments rose to power, all thru perverted forms of democratic vote. ironically, what brought europe back to war was....extreme nationalism. the League of Nations failed to stop nationalism from reaching an extreme form, and germany actually imposed a globalism of its own, stealing from captured nations to keep germany going. the brutality of the war to end all wars, got trumped by...democratically elected nationalism.

perhaps the best way to global peace is to ensure global prosperity. the three ways a nation can get richer is to steal it from another, to colonize, or to trade. trade seems the most peaceful, yet how do we do it fairly? its a zero sum game, some industries lose so others can benefit (for example, we import cheap steel that hurts our steelmakers but every manufacturer needing steel, benefits from cheaper steel) after ww2, europe leaned on its colonies (vietnam, the belgian congo, etc). it went straight from a hot war to a cold one. the world bank et al was partially designed to get those colonies to not support communist guerillas seeking independance, and also to get other countries not colonies to join our side over the soviet union. did we exploit those places in the process? yes we did. but no one has ever truly had faith in the hoi polloi--since the days of rome, the golden rule has always been, those with the gold make the rules. Trump certainly likes to bend or ignore rules when it suits him, but then again, he's not jsut a businessman, he runs a brand. whatever he does, is trump. there may be an immoral way to be a trump, but there's no wrong way for trump to be himself.

The Founding Fathers certainly didn't trust the voters--Madison in the Federalist papers wanted a government that drowned out the voices of the minority. i think few republicans want a government based on the popularity of abortion and gun control, either. there's mention in the articles about FDR's New Deal, which actually reigned in the excesses of the rich and monopolies, yet the courts fought it. its interesting the articles say a return to the gold standard caused ww2, i believe most conservatives want to reign in deficit spending and return to the gold standard. the articles said globalists need nations to enforce their will, but so do socialists, fascists, the church, etc. trump certainly wants government on his terms only.

it took decades for globalism to evolve from the industrial revolution to a cure for communism. it will likely take as long to fall. but is the technology in the way? can we talk globally on the internet, and yet not trade globally? or look at the health care in other nations and not try to copy it? how will we trade if we are on the gold standard and our currency costs more than your's (ie, cheaper products sell)? how isolationist can we get? should we be like China or North Korea? and even then, will automation make it all moot?

i did notice, that in all the focus on western business...there was little focus on what China has accomplished in the Pac Rim and what Russia is doing in her back yard. what the west is doing, doesn't happen in a vacuum, and neither does them. we still bump elbows, and the the tech gennie is out of the bottle. we can trade with china, or let it develop on its own and see what comes of that...maybe one day on our doorstep.

the GOP used to tout global trade as a hegemony to communism. they support deregulation, trade treaties, etc. american workers want to build, but won't even buy their own product b/c its too expensive (that's one reason we feel more job security, yet our trade deficit has widened). they may have to move to other industries, just as the car replaced the horse and buggy and electricity replaced gas lamps. america did not have much global competition after the destruction of WW2, but by the end of the 1970's the third world was catching up to us. if we say no more trade treaties with those nations, does anyone believe china and russia won't march in, sign treaties, and lock us out?

what happens then?
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