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 Inicia
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Any form of economics or government can be corrupt-all ride on utopian ideologies-politicians typically try to understand what utopian ideology to exploit- often hopping on that train can provide success.. while, finding and supporting workable tenets and abandoning the absurd of the ideology is most beneficial for the governed public. So Cortez found that social climate permeating her district- so many politicians have nothing sexually appealing male or female- (Yes JFz, on the definition- an apropos choice of screen-names- No??) but guess what that isn't the purpose of politicians or government- hey if one wants the government as a choice of sex partners! ok>>
 platitude545
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Posted: 1/29/2019 6:53:55 AM
Gav...you and little red rider should be natural friends...the russian monkey bot and the hopeless nutcase as besties foever. Maybe you two can exchange addresses. Hurry now while you are still here.
 platitude545
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Posted: 1/29/2019 6:58:43 AM
Initia, what the fuk are you talking about now. A candidate with charisma and sexual appeal can be a good thing...jfk for instance. They can be inspirational. Content is important too. Not just the words you use.
 gavs321
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Yulia Tymoshenko
Posted: 1/29/2019 7:08:58 AM
Since you hate Russia so much, why didn't the Jews win WW2 or even try
to fight?

Oh right, because the Jews are too busy stealing land from the Palestinians.

Why do the strong Russians / Europeans have to die for a bunch of
Jews that no one even likes?

That's how Jews are, they criticize things but when you're being cleansed during
WW2, "oh Russia, please help with my big nose".
 platitude545
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Yulia Tymoshenko
Posted: 1/29/2019 7:33:27 AM
I don't know gav about you and little red. I need to rethink this. I can't vouch for his liking monkeys. Little red fancies himsel a genius with a 160 iq. Would he want to be besties with a low iq, vacant staring, button pushing russian monkey bot? That's only a maybe.
 Inicia
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Posted: 1/29/2019 7:37:10 AM
^ Big noses??? Gav --why the vitrolism? Illogical-non-sequitur relating whatever you believe is being said to apparently a very insecure ego-especially as related to Judaic and Russian nationalism- we need not divided by such nonsense-or perpetuate such ridiculous baseless divisions in humanity??
 platitude545
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Yulia Tymoshenko
Posted: 1/29/2019 7:44:14 AM
^^^ gav is a russian bot...we tagged him the other day. That is what the russian monkeys do...they push buttoms to create dissension and influence elections. Trump is doing nothing about it so now they are infesting twitter and forums all over the place. Facebook is trying to control them without government help. Thank Trump, who believes putin, for this rissian monkey infestation. Its only going to get worse.
 gavs321
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Yulia Tymoshenko
Posted: 1/29/2019 7:51:32 AM
Also, phuck Tymoshenko. All that woman has going for herself is a big ass.

Insecure ego?

If I do not like Jews, that does not make me insecure.
If a woman rejects me, that does not make her insecure.
Than is illogical... A person is allowed to have preferences.

I can like whoever the phuck I want and I can also hate anyone I want.

If you love the Jews so much, go eat some bagels with them and when your nose takes
up half your face don't come crying back to me, AMERICAN
 platitude545
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Yulia Tymoshenko
Posted: 1/29/2019 9:28:42 AM
^^^^ took long enough.

 platitude545
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Yulia Tymoshenko
Posted: 1/29/2019 9:34:24 AM
In case you all missed the Cortez dancing video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S04CGa44VP0

Tell me we wouldn't all be far better off with more people like this in Congress. Compare her, for example, to the stiff, wooden and ghostly Senate Majority Leader.
 SS4544Spd
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Yulia Tymoshenko
Posted: 1/29/2019 9:37:52 AM
From what I've heard, I like her. But not familiar with her in depth, though. But the Dems need more anti-capitalist firebrands. The pendulum has swung too far towards business and the rich. So it appears the "tax the rich" sentiment is growing. And that's a good thing.

I'll have to closely watch Kamala Harris and Liz Warren too..and of course Bernie to see how serious they really are about a seismic shift away from never ending tax cuts. And this Tulsi Gabbard...she seems non-establishment, and thus also interesting to me.

And Howard Schwartz....not familiar with his politics, but it's a good thing he's in ...IF...he's just not another "I'm pro business, but liberal on social issues" candidate. To me, that would not differentiate him enough from establishment Dems.

If the Dems squash non-conventional candidates like they did to Bernie in '16, I'll vote for Trump. I won't vote for an establishment Dem, period.
 platitude545
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Posted: 1/29/2019 9:57:04 AM
Yea..but they are right...the last thing we need is an independent candidate because the dems will need every vote possible to beat trump. Why can't Schwartz run as a Dem or even a Repub. A third party candidate has no chance...it is just ego talking.
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 1/29/2019 10:04:38 AM
^^^^ Why is he running as an independent? Maybe because maybe he saw how the thumb is on the scale in favor of "annointed" establishment candidates in the Dem party.

Honestly, I don't know Schwartz's politics, though, and if they're far enough away from establishment to fear being squashed that way.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/29/2019 10:34:34 AM
It is strange as a non sherman watching all the fuss over Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Politicians like her are plentiful over here. It is also amusing when the terms far right and far left are used in shermanland. You far right and far left are basically thatcherite tories and corbynista london labour.

But i posted this below once before. And all the would be candidates lining up for the democrats are making news over here. But is there not already a lot of virtue signalling going on? Past words and deeds being dragged up to discredit?...............



"‘The party could explode’: Democrats prepare for wild 2020 ride

Motivated by a sense that American values are on fire, everyone from the young and old to billionaires and political novices are looking to run – but it could get messy.

That huge field will probably include the young and old, men and women, African American, Latino and white people, billionaire capitalists and Democratic socialists, White House veterans and political novices. Motivated by a sense that American values are on fire, it is likely to be the most diverse primary lineup in history.

“We’ve had diversity before but this is the age of identity politics,” said John Zogby, a pollster and author. “A number of newer demographics have come of age. We will also have an age range no one ever thought we could see: a Joe Biden, who’ll be 78 at the time of the election, and a Beto O’Rourke, who’s in his mid-40s.”

But things could get messy, Zogby warned. “The danger here is the party could explode with identity politics and the liberal/progressive split.

Do you have to have a woman on the ticket? Do you have to have an African American on the ticket? Do Latinos say: ‘Hey, it’s our turn, we’ve been loyal.’ If you have a 78-year-old on the ticket, do you need a 42-year-old?”

The principal contenders have not yet officially declared interest, but progressive groups are already polling members about their favourites.

Democracy for Action has drawn up a list of 23 that includes former vice-president Biden (who recently said he thinks he is “the most qualified person in the country to be president”) and Senators Cory Booker, Sherrod Brown, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand, Amy Klobuchar, Jeff Merkley, Chris Murphy, Bernie Sanders and Warren as well as five members of the House.

Billionaire businessman Tom Steyer, who is campaigning for Trump’s impeachment, makes the poll but fellow tycoon Michael Bloomberg, the former mayor of New York, and ex-Starbucks chief executive Howard Schultz do not.

The list contains three individuals who exceeded expectations (though all lost) in the midterms: O’Rourke, Stacey Abrams of Georgia and Andrew Gillum of Florida.

Neil Sroka, communications director for Democracy for America, said: “There is a certain amount of white privilege that allows people to easily imagine Beto O’Rourke running for president and puts less attention on Abrams or Gillum.”

Democracy for Action endorsed Sanders in December 2015 and will run several polls of its members during 2019. Sroka added: “Anyone who thinks they know who’s going to be the nominee in 2020 is either lying or delusional.

“He or she should fight for racial equality just as hard as he or she fights for economic equality. And we need a president that not only rejects the bigotry, hatred and division of Donald Trump but also puts forward a progressive vision.”

MoveOn also asks members: “What’s most important to you in a candidate?” The first option on the list is: “Is a woman.” The second is: “Is a person of color.” The eighth and last is: “Has the greatest chance of winning against Trump.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/08/democrats-2020-possible-presidential-candidates-liberal-progressive-split
 Noftheborder
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Posted: 1/29/2019 12:12:05 PM
^One would think the number one option would be "the best PERSON" for the position, no matter if they are a woman, a person of colour, younger, older, etc. Trump shouldn't even enter into the equation. He's already proven himself unworthy and it's got nothing to do with his gender, colour, age, etc. The best qualifier is not to be an abject self-absorbed idiot.
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Posted: 1/29/2019 1:30:40 PM
i love posts like these, b/c we can point out trump supporters lack of logic and rationale.

to wit: trumpanzees love to say, they didn't vote for racism, they voted for a populist who was going to stick it to wall street. (what they really got was a nationalist who gave the rich a tax break they don't need). Yet when a real populist like AOC says she's going to nail the rich with a 70% tax cut (which answers the question, "how's she going to pay for all this") and offers social programs for the working class who voted chump, what does that working class scream?

OMG she's a socialist!

uh wait, you wanted someone to go after wall st, right? :)

and then there's fuzzy logic like Fuzzy John's bleat:

how is the socialists going to pay for all this?

oh, folks, you voted for chump who promised you a wall paid for by mexico...how come you never thought to ask of your hero:

no, really now....how are you going to pay for that wall?

and you wonder why liberals feel smarter than you :) you can't even live by the standards you hold others accountable to.

vlad, i agree with your point that a wide range of Democrat candidates seeking to solve a wide range of problems, are going to dilute the democrat vote. we saw Ralph Nader and H. Ross Perot do the same. meanwhile, you think america should get a kick in the balls for its meddling in other countries, i wonder if you think the trump administration deserves the same for what its doing in Venezuala this week?
 jon1725
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Posted: 1/29/2019 2:36:23 PM
Who is this Schwartz person?

I am hoping Schultz run as an independent And Harris on freebies? Something like costing us 3 TRIILION dollars a year?? She speaks well but really listen to what she is saying on health care. Speaking well like Obama and what turned out to be are two different things. Back to Schultz, he has a problem with Liz warren. Oh boy, the Democrats already have aoc to worry about and now they have Harris and division with Schultz and warren. Where’s Spartacus to save the day? Lol
 HawkingJr
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Posted: 1/29/2019 4:15:10 PM
“ya, ya, I know, but Trump, but Trump, but Trump”

I’m just saying, your concern about civil discourse seems very hollow when you support someone incapable of civil discourse, and you shouldn’t be surprised if accused of hypocrisy.

“Hawking I agree with you on some of the name calling in here, who they look like etc. And both republicans and democrats are guilty so don't just be one sided here. I also have no problem with people calling hillary crooked because she is. If i am to describe what she looks like in a negative way, that would not be right, same with obama or any other republican or democrat.”

So you’re saying “My nice fat little Rosie” was wrong?

Most people who complain about the lack of civil discourse and name-calling but wholeheartedly support Trump defend him by claiming all he’s doing is punching back. Although it’s true most of those people were criticizing him or “accusing” him of something (aka, pointing out his actual behavior), almost none of them were calling him names. Basically he has an inability to respond to criticism in a civilized, adult, dignified, presidential manner. Which is something his biggest supporters love about him – he’s “one of them,” a street brawler, a bully-American. I’m fine with that, but those that complain about that type of behavior, but not about TRUMP’s behavior are far more disgusting than Trump’s fellow bully-Americans, and I have no idea how they’re able to live with themselves. Especially if they have children. Children that are probably turning into Covington boys. Or Joni Ernsts.

*****

As for the original topic, whatever. I’d certainly date her in a New York minute, but I definitely don’t want her to be president (unless the only alternative is Trump or anyone like him). She’s just way over the top. She’s like the kinder, liberal Trump (or I suppose, 1990s Trump – I’ll never let you Trump cult members forget he used to be a liberal Democrat!). But, yeah, socialism has been demonized beyond recognition. I am no supporter of absolute socialism and am quite a capitalist, but every country almost by definition has a little bit of socialism, and many countries with a lot of socialism are democratic and prosperous. In fact, for the most part socialism-haters are conflating democratic socialism with communist dictatorships and borderline calls like Venezuela. I’m actually surprised Trump is treating Maduro the way he is: he usually likes brutal strongmen that are attempting to impede democracy. There’s a fine line between Maduro and Kim.

"I am hoping Schultz run as an independent"

Of course you are. Pretty much guarantees Trump Term 2. Moderates and centrists and 2 party haters need to understand (and that last election should have been lesson #1) that the American election system was not designed to handle more than 2 parties, and almost inevitably the result of 3 strong candidates will be the least desirable candidate to the other 2 will rise to the top. If the United States required a majority of the popular vote, then a runoff would fix that problem. There's no fixing the electoral college. You just have to play the game with the rules you're given, and the rules say, no third party candidates.

"And Harris on freebies? Something like costing us 3 TRIILION dollars a year?? She speaks well but really listen to what she is saying on health care. "

Health insurance already costs us over 3 trillion dollars a year. We're already paying that. This is one of the very few cases in which capitalism is highly inefficient at accomplishing something. One insurance company paid for by the same fees, premiums and taxes people are already paying for insurance would be a much better system -- companies (besides maybe insurance companies) would be much happier if they didn't have to shoulder the insurance and management costs they currently deal with. I'm not sure "Medicaid or Medicare for All" is what will work, but certainly there is no way to make a pure capitalist system work. The incentives are all backwards and efficiencies all wrong. Health insurance being an employer thing in this country is nothing but an accident of history anyway that we shouldn't keep trying to force to work long after it was proven a bad idea. 100 years from now, our health insurance system will seem laughable -- or today, it is laughable, in all other countries.
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Posted: 1/29/2019 5:53:21 PM
"Finish this sentence: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez represents......."



....progressive views on Israel. She is the future!
 purplerider1200
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Posted: 1/29/2019 7:42:02 PM

"Finish this sentence: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez represents.......


A lot of college grads that are a 100K in the hole, and are now practising the phrase- "Would you like fries with that?"
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Posted: 1/29/2019 7:55:15 PM
^Maybe.

But she has deep thoughts about pajamas. That counts for something. :)
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/29/2019 10:03:13 PM
Nof
"^One would think the number one option would be "the best PERSON" for the position, no matter if they are a woman, a person of colour, younger, older, etc. Trump shouldn't even enter into the equation. He's already proven himself unworthy and it's got nothing to do with his gender, colour, age, etc. The best qualifier is not to be an abject self-absorbed idiot."

Yep you would think that the best person should be a shoe in. That all petty differences would be put aside for the greater good. Now i have no idea who this MoveOn group are that is mentioned in the article i posted. But once again here is what they wrote about who the democratic candidate SHOULD be.................


"MoveOn also asks members: “What’s most important to you in a candidate?” The first option on the list is: “Is a woman.” The second is: “Is a person of color.” The eighth and last is: “Has the greatest chance of winning against Trump.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/08/democrats-2020-possible-presidential-candidates-liberal-progressive-split

It seems to me that they do not care WHO the best candidate is. They only care about box ticking. As for cortez how would she fare if she was the preferred democrat nomination? Her being an 'ahem' socialist and all that.

Would wealthy democrats endorse someone who wants to take THEIR wealth away and give it to the poor? If that was the case then why do wealthy democrats not give their wealth away now to the poor?

I'm sure the poor could use that money now.
 platitude545
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Posted: 1/30/2019 8:13:20 AM

^Maybe.

But she has deep thoughts about pajamas. That counts for something. :)


Sometimes you do sound a little like KJ.

Anyway....you have to give her a lot of credit...she is young, energetic, passionate and went from Bartender to Congresswoman, beating a long term guy. Why not give her the credit she deserves even if you don't agree with her (except for the Israel part that is).

And she can dance too.
 Million_Reasons
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Posted: 1/30/2019 4:20:03 PM
^I give her credit. I believe her to be the "real" Democratic leader right now. I am hoping the "old guard" doesn't take her out. She is exactly what the party needs right now. I am her biggest fan.

Trump is shaking up the right and AOC is doing the same to the left. Good times, ahead!


-----I am hoping we can get Israel's cure for cancer before AOC and her other congressional pals gain more support for the BDS campaign, tho.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Posted: 1/30/2019 4:37:50 PM
I'll finish the sentence the OP asked by saying what I see. That is, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez represents.... To me, anyways.

She represents, the FUTURE. And, but the tip of the iceberg of what is to come.
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