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 Million_Reasons
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2ufo

"The investigations (federal and several states) were completed in 2016 and Planned Parenthood was exonerated.
It means they did not commit 'such atrocities' in the first place."


Except for what they admitted to on video.


Thank you for your other answers.

I believe we are at an inflection point in history, precisely, due to some of the reasons you listed. We have made such progress in the various medical fields that abortion should have actually resulted in steady decreases to where it actually was "rare" as it has been touted. And yet, we find ourselves in a society that not only celebrates it but takes...pride...in the act of taking the most vunerable, innocent of human life. Imagine that! Pride...in killing a human life!


Humanity has turned a corner and I fear this issue will define the Second American Civil War. The barbartic atrocities we commit against the innocent will be the measure by which our character is judged. So be it.
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Posted: 2/5/2019 5:21:06 PM
msg 66....Baldwin says


they didn't bother to complain when Chump gave $7 million tax payer dollars to Carrier and nothing to its competitors, all to hold onto jobs....


$7 million???..........that is "chump" change (no pun intended... )..............what about the 12 BILLION that the "stable genius" gave to soybean farmers!............after sales from China dropped from 21 Billion (in 2017) down to 8 Billion in 2018................some might say that is Socialism.....but no, that is closer to post-war Stalinistic Communism!

Can you imagine if Obama had done any of this?......the right wingers would have been burning crosses on the WH lawn!................Thus according to the right-wing Simps............AOC and Bernie are the threats!



and how is it that people who want a tax cut for the rich, a renewal of the cold war with russia, a billion dollar border wall, don't ever ask, "who's going to pay for all this?"


So long as the guy who is "picking" their pockets has the same color skin they do......then its not a problem......LBJ once said:... " if you make the lowest white man feel he is better than the smartest black man.......not only can you pick his pocket....he will hand over his wallet to you!!!!"


stop trying to defund Planned Parenthood,


....and upset the Bible thumpers?


stop cutting programs for poor kids and single moms.


then who is Trump going to replace all the illegal laborers with....once they get deported


stop reducing pollution laws that leave our future generations unhealthy water and air


if he does that.....then the Repubs won't be able to give out huge no bid contracts to future "environmental clean-up (shell) companies"...that donate generously to the Republican cause
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Posted: 2/7/2019 9:15:56 AM
oh goodness, million excuses brings up the PP video (not to be confused with chump's p video) inspired by Project Vertitas, which was already discredited with their ACORN video that got them busted for using fake IDs. and what did Mike Pence, now chump's VP, have to say?

"Responding to the videos and to CMP's claims, three different Congressional committees, and officials in a number of states, launched investigations into Planned Parenthood's tissue collection activities.[28][29] One Congressional committee asked to interview the filmed representatives to see whether the statements made in the videos are consistent with existing federal law.[30][31]

On July 30, 2015, former Indiana Governor Mike Pence announced that the state's investigation did not find any evidence of wrongdoing in Planned Parenthood's handling of fetal tissue"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood_2015_undercover_videos_controversy


oh well, what Mark Twain said about lies is true.
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Posted: 2/7/2019 11:25:44 AM
Baldwin...
You beat me to pointing out that the video was heavily edited.

Million...
I've always wondered why a fetus or an infant or a young person was more 'valuable' than an old person.
I know and understand that an older person will give their life for a younger person.. but I've never thought it as a judgement call of 'value' that was determined by an outside party.
Like... is it more evil to destroy one person or a hundred?

Unanswerable questions.
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Posted: 2/7/2019 2:17:13 PM
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Go read the latest ruling from the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals regarding those undercover videos...Jan. 2019.




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"I've always wondered why a fetus or an infant or a young person was more 'valuable' than an old person."

Have you been to a nursing home???



"Like... is it more evil to destroy one person or a hundred?"

I would have the tendency to say they are equally evil....reserving the right to reassess if given detailed information of a specific instance and a clear definition of "destroy".
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Posted: 2/7/2019 4:40:52 PM
Looks like too many democrats could care less about killing babies, this is just one more thing that will be a knockout punch for republicans.

^^^^^^And now today(I had to read the 9 page or so resolution 5 times to believe what I was reading) the radical left has gone off the deep end with their new green deal. They don't hide their venezuela-socialistic views at all. People will not accept this once they understand what this all means........... no more airplanes, funding for people unable or UNWILLING to work(serious!!!!!), free repair/replace to all our buildings(yuppers, serious)........to name a few scary scary thoughts.

^^^^^^^Socialism at its worst. Even though liz will be knocked out of the race, she still has other socialist candidates to bang the socialist drum
 2ufo
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Posted: 2/7/2019 4:42:32 PM
Yes, I’ve been to a nursing home.
Are you saying that the residents have less value?
Are you saying that is ethically someome’s decision to make?
It seems to be what you are implying.

As for destroying one or a hundred.... I wouldn’t reserved the right to reassess based on any information.
The entire concept that someone would say it might be right under certain circumstances is a slippery slope to juvenile philosophical arguments. It’s wrong. You know it, I know it, we all know it.
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Posted: 2/7/2019 8:21:21 PM

And now today(I had to read the 9 page or so resolution 5 times to believe what I was reading) the radical left has gone off the deep end with their new green deal. They don't hide their venezuela-socialistic views at all. People will not accept this once they understand what this all means........... no more airplanes, funding for people unable or UNWILLING to work(serious!!!!!), free repair/replace to all our buildings(yuppers, serious)........to name a few scary scary thoughts.


That's laughable. Not only did she drop all of her beans, she misplaced the bowl they came in. (LOL!!!) Rebuild every building in the USA..... In ten years.....Girly, you are completely nuts. Do away with cattle, because they fart...... So .....Milk goes away. Cheese also. Do away with cattle, hogs are next..... forget us for just a moment,,,,, what about our pets??? They can't survive a veggie diet. Going to do away with them?????

Let's do away with socialism instead. Much, much, easier.
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Posted: 2/8/2019 2:52:17 AM
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"Are you saying that the residents have less value?"

I don't say they have less value. It is my belief that every individual is born with the same "value". Perceptions and assignments of values placed upon an individual by others is a complex human process consisting of many variables.

So why aren't we just snuffing out the elderly when they become an inconvience like we do infants born after "blotched" abortions? ***ref. Kermitt Gosnell.....Baby Boy A



"As for destroying one or a hundred.... I wouldn’t reserved the right to reassess based on any information.
The entire concept that someone would say it might be right under certain circumstances is a slippery slope to juvenile philosophical arguments. It’s wrong. You know it, I know it, we all know it."


So....you are pro life, then?



As for AOC's "New Green Deal"?

I am particuliarly fond of the "guaranteed income for those unable/unwilling to work". Think that will work out very well. :)
 platitude545
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Posted: 2/8/2019 8:11:51 AM
I almost always avoid abortion debates...there are equally compelling arguments on all sides. Judaism teaches each human life has infinite value...when it comes to the mother's health, who is to say she cannot abort her baby? Which is the purpose of late term abortion statutes? Who is to judge whether the baby's medical defects warrant the termination of that baby's life? Who is to say the morher must bare a baby who will require constant and expensive care if the baby will not have a sufficient quality of life.? Every desroyed sperm or egg is the termination of a potential life. There was only a one in trillions chance any of us were to be born. Either we were beneficiaries of the randomness of life, beating the staggering odds against us or we were creations of God. Either way, when we are gone it will be like we never lived to begin with in the universal scheme of things.
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Posted: 2/8/2019 1:27:24 PM
Well, I see abortion as population planning or control which you can take back to ancient Greece (and other cultures around the world) with Plato and Aristotle. You also have the American Progressive with Margaret Sanger etc. which impacted Hitler’s Eugenics program. We’ve the modern-day agenda with the United Nations plan to reduce world population. I think we have a reduction in birth rates in every Continent except Africa and they’re trying very hard to introduce Women’s Rights for the purpose of reducing birth rates there. There’re all kinds of methods used to achieve population reduction, e.g., famine, war, and putting women in the workforce to stop them from having babies at 18-years-old. Delay women from having children when they’re young so they will have fewer babies being the concept.

The reduction of population has a problem because we have social programs that’re nothing but a government pyramid scheme. You need a growing base (increasing young workers) to fund people that’re using government social programs, e.g., disabled and/or elderly. We’re replacing low birth rates by expanding population through immigration.

America continues to be the economic engine for the world but that will change in the future. We’re witnessing the rise of the Asian consumer and China along with India will replace America’s Economy in the next few decades or so.

My angst with late term abortion has to do with humanity. We already have irreversible low birth rates in America and infanticide is so barbaric. There’s a stigma when it comes to Socialism and Communism because of that slippery slope we witnessed in the past. When you start dehumanizing people because they don’t go along with your ideology, it gets slippery and ugly fast.

A video in this article shows the manifestation of dehumanizing babies and lack of compassion and empathy of another human life. I don’t know what you see but I see a human life ripped limb from limb. There’s a hand, arm, foot, leg, and a head with an eyeball hanging out……Barbaric.

https://www.liveaction.org/news/abortionist-dismembered-baby-patient-life/

If we’re going to have Abortion, is it not possible to be Humane about it? America can do Better than this!
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Posted: 2/8/2019 1:32:56 PM

I am particuliarly fond of the "guaranteed income for those unable/unwilling to work". Think that will work out very well. :)

Don't you already have that? http://www.federalsafetynet.com/us-welfare-programs.html - ya know, aka a form of Socialism?
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Posted: 2/8/2019 3:24:43 PM

So....you are pro life, then?

No.
But I am pro education.

Spending money attempting to stop abortion is starting at the wrong end of the equation.
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Posted: 2/8/2019 3:47:26 PM
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Great post.

For the life of me...I will never figure out how the white liberals, the KKK and eugenicists were able to convince black people to willingly commit self inflicted genocide and the population, in general, to promote the eradication of the "defective". I am sure Margaret Sanger is preening in Hell over her handiwork.


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"Don't you already have that? http://www.federalsafetynet.com/us-welfare-programs.html - ya know, aka a form of Socialism?"


Nope. I've been "unwilling" to work for a long time but the dang Government has not seen fit to send me a check with my living wage.....yet. (6 figures sounds about right ) ;) ;)



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"No.
But I am pro education."


I found this video clip to be very educational. If you are interested.

https://youtu.be/OZXQBhTszpU

And I have to ask....did you google "Baby Boy A"?
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^^^^ Margaret Sanger is in "hell" for believing in conteception and starting an organization that helps women with their health needs? How do rational, intelligent people end up buying into this kind of right wing trash? Like i said, a real mystery.
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Posted: 2/9/2019 6:06:51 AM
"I am particuliarly fond of the "guaranteed income for those unable/unwilling to work". Think that will work out very well. :)

Don't you already have that? http://www.federalsafetynet.com/us-welfare-programs.html - ya know, aka a form of Socialism?"

If her plan is to bring in a guaranteed income like the Fins tried it doesn't seem to have been a great success. But there are other nations experimenting with income ideas...............


"Giving jobless people in Finland a basic income for two years did not lead them to find work, researchers said.

From January 2017 until December 2018, 2,000 unemployed Finns got a monthly flat payment of €560 (£490; $634).

The aim was to see if a guaranteed safety net would help people find jobs, and support them if they had to take insecure gig economy work.

While employment levels did not improve, participants said they felt happier and less stressed.

When it launched the pilot scheme back in 2017, Finland became the first European country to test out the idea of an unconditional basic income. It was run by the Social Insurance Institution (Kela), a Finnish government agency, and involved 2,000 randomly-selected people on unemployment benefits.

It immediately attracted international interest - but these results have now raised questions about the effectiveness of such schemes.

What is 'basic income' and how does it work?

Universal basic income, or UBI, means that everyone gets a set monthly income, regardless of means. The Finnish trial was a bit different, as it focused on people who were unemployed.

Another popular variation is 'universal basic services' - where instead of getting an income, things like education, healthcare and transport are free for all.

Although it's enjoying a resurgence in popularity, the idea isn't new.

In fact, it was first described in Sir Thomas More's Utopia, published in 1516 - a full 503 years ago.

Such schemes are being trialled all over the world. Adults in a village in western Kenya are being given $22 a month for 12 years, until 2028, while the Italian government is working on introducing a "citizens' income".

The city of Utrecht, in the Netherlands, is also carrying out a basic income study called Weten Wat Werkt - "Know What Works" - until October.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47169549
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Posted: 2/9/2019 6:26:22 AM
^^^^It can be argued about welfare, but now the right wingers are trying to turn socialism into a dirty word.


The New York Times
By Paul Krugman
Opinion Columnist

In 1961, America faced what conservatives considered a mortal threat: calls for a national health insurance program covering senior citizens. In an attempt to avert this awful fate, the American Medical Association launched what it called Operation Coffee Cup, a pioneering attempt at viral marketing.

Here’s how it worked: Doctors’ wives (hey, it was 1961) were asked to invite their friends over and play them a recording in which Ronald Reagan explained that socialized medicine would destroy American freedom. The housewives, in turn, were supposed to write letters to Congress denouncing the menace of Medicare.

Obviously the strategy didn’t work; Medicare not only came into existence, but it became so popular that these days Republicans routinely (and falsely) accuse Democrats of planning to cut the program’s funding. But the strategy — claiming that any attempt to strengthen the social safety net or limit inequality will put us on a slippery slope to totalitarianism — endures.

And so it was that Donald Trump, in his State of the Union address, briefly turned from his usual warnings about scary brown people to warnings about the threat from socialism.

What do Trump’s people, or conservatives in general, mean by “socialism”? The answer is, it depends.

Sometimes it means any kind of economic liberalism. Thus after the SOTU, Steven Mnuchin, the Treasury secretary, lauded the Trump economy and declared that “we’re not going back to socialism” — i.e., apparently America itself was a socialist hellhole as recently as 2016. Who knew?

Other times, however, it means Soviet-style central planning, or Venezuela-style nationalization of industry, never mind the reality that there is essentially nobody in American political life who advocates such things.

The trick — and “trick” is the right word — involves shuttling between these utterly different meanings, and hoping that people don’t notice. You say you want free college tuition? Think of all the people who died in the Ukraine famine! And no, this isn’t a caricature: Read the strange, smarmy report on socialism that Trump’s economists released last fall; that’s pretty much how its argument goes.

So let’s talk about what’s really on the table.

Some progressive U.S. politicians now describe themselves as socialists, and a significant number of voters, including a majority of voters under 30, say they approve of socialism. But neither the politicians nor the voters are clamoring for government seizure of the means of production. Instead, they’ve taken on board conservative rhetoric that describes anything that tempers the excesses of a market economy as socialism, and in effect said, “Well, in that case I’m a socialist.”

What Americans who support “socialism” actually want is what the rest of the world calls social democracy: A market economy, but with extreme hardship limited by a strong social safety net and extreme inequality limited by progressive taxation. They want us to look like Denmark or Norway, not Venezuela.

And in case you haven’t been there, the Nordic countries are not, in fact, hellholes. They have somewhat lower G.D.P. per capita than we do, but that’s largely because they take more vacations. Compared with America, they have higher life expectancy, much less poverty and significantly higher overall life satisfaction. Oh, and they have high levels of entrepreneurship — because people are more willing to take the risk of starting a business when they know that they won’t lose their health care or plunge into abject poverty if they fail.

Trump’s economists clearly had a hard time fitting the reality of Nordic societies into their anti-socialist manifesto. In some places they say that the Nordics aren’t really socialist; in others they try desperately to show that despite appearances, Danes and Swedes are suffering — for example, it’s expensive for them to operate a pickup truck. I am not making this up.

What about the slippery slope from liberalism to totalitarianism? There’s absolutely no evidence that it exists. Medicare didn’t destroy freedom. Stalinist Russia and Maoist China didn’t evolve out of social democracies. Venezuela was a corrupt petrostate long before Hugo Chávez came along. If there’s a road to serfdom, I can’t think of any nation that took it.

So scaremongering over socialism is both silly and dishonest. But will it be politically effective?

Probably not. After all, voters overwhelmingly support most of the policies proposed by American “socialists,” including higher taxes on the wealthy and making Medicare available to everyone (although they don’t support plans that would force people to give up private insurance — a warning to Democrats not to make single-payer purity a litmus test).

On the other hand, we should never discount the power of dishonesty. Right-wing media will portray whomever the Democrats nominate for president as the second coming of Leon Trotsky, and millions of people will believe them. Let’s just hope that the rest of the media report the clean little secret of American socialism, which is that it isn’t radical at all.
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Posted: 2/9/2019 7:32:51 AM
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"^^^^It can be argued about welfare, but now the right wingers are trying to turn socialism into a dirty word."

I do get amused sometimes on here when socialism and fascism get thrown at opponents.

In the uk the welfare state was set up as a safety net for citizens who fell on hard times.

The NHS was set up to give every citizen the right to healthcare. Although nowadays the NHS is a behemoth that could do with more nurses and medical staff and less 'admin'.

Health care and education are rights that ALL citizens should have. But we now have a welfare system that means citizens are better off financially by not working.

Thanks to the de industrialisation of most of the uk. Minimum wage jobs meaning that you cannot earn enough wages to pay your bills or rent. Then the state have to give you money for the shortfall.

But welfare comes at a cost to citizens. They basically cannot survive without the 'benevolent' state. So it is not in their interest to rock the establishment boat.

Most of what are called 'far right' or 'fascist' political parties in europe are more left wing than the tired old establishment socialists.

Viktor Orban in Hungary FORCED banks and utility companies to return money to citizens. Yet he is described as 'fascist' by intolerant illiberal liberals.

And as for sherman 'right wingers' shouting socialism at any initiative which will help citizens we have intolerant illiberal liberals calling ANYONE who disagrees with them as 'fascist'.

Maybe they should learn a wee bit more about fascism before they use it as an outdated meaningless slur.

Ps for those unaware the fascist state is run on centralism. Everything for the good of the state.

Yet i read on here how trump is a president for the rich. That he wants LESS government interference in citizens lives.

So how anyone can call president the donald fascist is clueless.






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The New York Times
By Paul Krugman
Opinion Columnist

In 1961, America faced what conservatives considered a mortal threat: calls for a national health insurance program covering senior citizens. In an attempt to avert this awful fate, the American Medical Association launched what it called Operation Coffee Cup, a pioneering attempt at viral marketing.

Here’s how it worked: Doctors’ wives (hey, it was 1961) were asked to invite their friends over and play them a recording in which Ronald Reagan explained that socialized medicine would destroy American freedom. The housewives, in turn, were supposed to write letters to Congress denouncing the menace of Medicare.

Obviously the strategy didn’t work; Medicare not only came into existence, but it became so popular that these days Republicans routinely (and falsely) accuse Democrats of planning to cut the program’s funding. But the strategy — claiming that any attempt to strengthen the social safety net or limit inequality will put us on a slippery slope to totalitarianism — endures.
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Posted: 2/9/2019 9:07:31 AM
Vlad, you need a mix between capitalism and socialism to work. The for profit health care system in the US is in shambles and will ultimately have to be replaced. The voters want better. As for giving a guaranteed wage. How about a guaranteed job for the desperate?
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Posted: 2/9/2019 9:38:41 AM

Vlad, you need a mix between capitalism and socialism to work. The for profit health care system in the US is in shambles and will ultimately have to be replaced. The voters want better. As for giving a guaranteed wage. How about a guaranteed job for the desperate?
as much as it troubles me, I have to completely agree with that statement. there are some aspects of socialism that work quite well but welfare isn't one of them. while still needed, it is a classic example of how socialism removes incentive and becomes a trap. my niece, raising her son and her brothers 2 kids, gets welfare, additional income for her brothers kids, rent assistance, medical, food stamps and most of utilities paid. a few other freebies on top of that. easily double a minimum wage job. if she takes a minimum wage job for 30 hours a week, she loses everything! while I don't want to side track this thread to a welfare debate, my point is pure socialism removes the incentive to do just a little better and encourages doing the bare minimum. capitalism is needed but without balance, it is like a game of monopoly where half way threw, you already know who is going to end with everything while everyone else gets nothing.
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Posted: 2/9/2019 10:14:20 AM
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"Vlad, you need a mix between capitalism and socialism to work."

Yep we need a private sector to support a public sector. But workers in the private sector need to see some reward for their labour. They cannot be taxed to the hilt to pay for a bloated public sector.

Maybe workers could share in a companies profits. It worked well for The John Lewis Partnership over here for years.

Although i think there are moves afoot to stop this because of the economic downturn...................




"The for profit health care system in the US is in shambles and will ultimately have to be replaced."


Over here we have the NHS which is open for every citizen. ALL working citizens pay a national insurance stamp which pays towards this.

But citizens are free to pay into private health care if they wish to do so..................



"The voters want better. As for giving a guaranteed wage. How about a guaranteed job for the desperate?""


Yes the voters want better. They DESERVE better. But can you still not see why millions voted for trump? He said he would bring jobs to americans. And as far as it is reported over here he has done that.

What did clinton have to offer citizens regarding jobs? Nada. Even MORE neo liberalist policies of cheap exploited labour.

Many of yous over the pond just cannot see past their hatred for trump and their hatred of those who voted for him. A hatred because they voted for someone who said he would bring jobs back.

IF president the donald runs again in 2020 i think his vote will hold up. Why? Because the hatred that is spewed at them daily will entrench them.

Why would they vote to please people who hate them?

From what i read and seen of the last presidential election only trump came close to offering americas rust belt citizens any kind of hope. Even if bringing jobs and wages was a lie he at least payed attention to them.

Clinton however was everything they hated. Career politician. Tied to wall street. Embracer of neo liberalist economics that meant more profit for her wall street mates.

Driven by identity politics where 'issue' groups were embraced while the working class shermans were shunned.

I believe between brexit and trump politics have changed forever in our countries. Both happened because a substantial part of our citizens were ignored and offered nothing by the tired old elites.

Maybe now politicians will realise that there are millions of citizens struggling financially because of low paid or no work at all. Maybe instead of frothing at the mouth at folk who voted trump they will listen to what they have to say.

Is that a flying pig i just seen heading towards the Isle Of Wight?
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Posted: 2/9/2019 10:28:56 AM
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Welfare dependency is now a way of life. All of our heavy industries were decimated. Jobs that employed millions. Wages that fed and housed families. Wages that bought goods and kept local shops open.

We had works close down where thousands of locals were thrown on the scrap heap. The elites never batted an eyelash. Yet vote for brexit or trump and suddenly they notice you.

Then you get trapped. You need welfare to live. To pay rent in some damp riddled shit hole council housing scheme. Then you are dependent on the state. Do as you are told or we will leave you destitute.

Let's throw in identity politics to the mix. Get everyone at each others throats.

And they wonder why the fvck folk are pissed off with politics and politicians.................



"We live in a country where the poorest members of society are literally trapped. We pay them millions not to work, simply maintaining them at subsistence level like prisoners of the state.

Tied up with bureaucratic regulations and subject to crazy marginal rates of tax, there are few chances to escape for Britain’s welfare-dependent.

A million of those out of work have been jobless for a decade or more. They see their chances of getting a job in the future as so remote as to be barely worth considering.

The chances of their children ever finding work are beginning to look slim too.

The neighbourhoods in which they live are falling apart. The squalor is palpable; crime rampant; local schools are very often failing or ‘sink’ schools.

If you think I’m exaggerating, choose any area with a high level of welfare-dependency and go and look for yourself.

So what went wrong with a welfare state that was supposed to make ‘ignorance, squalor and want’ things of the past, and guarantee greater social integration?

Or have we simply misunderstood what that project was really about?"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2009/11/how-eugenics-poisoned-the-welfare-state/
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Why Are People Obsessed With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?
Posted: 2/9/2019 2:32:11 PM
^^^ Interesting Vlad...you could be describing the black minority living in America's inner cities for decades, only they never had decent jobs or education to begin with....and you are describing the now developing fate of the US working class and many of the middle class.
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Why Are People Obsessed With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?
Posted: 2/9/2019 2:54:24 PM
I seen vice in Wimbledon this afternoon and I really enjoyed it. But not the heart bits. Essentially****was a bit of a baddie in it . And as the credits rolled the off topic forum appeared in it too and a great big fight started..film review over..on topic.


AOC is photogenic but photos never tell the whole sorry story. I've seen pictures of Trump looking good. I'd say she's charismatic but well..Donald is too, he has a statesman's like slur in his speech. Could you really make fun of her , yep...similarly  Donald.


Like Donald she's been well educated at some uppity level. Has she Donald's list of impressive achievements such as billionaire real estate mogul or top primetime tv host? Or remarkable  President of some washed up violent empire? Maybe not but she's young and I think I'm correct in saying she's the youngest congressperson in the aforementioned empire's history. So let's cut her some slack. You know she can dance better than Theresa May. Politically though you never know how that might play. Because since Theresa has started dancing badly her polls have improved. Go figure. 


Alexandria though has put her political foot wrong in one or two places for me. And if you are still reading.... it's the tea chap, Howard...is it? She said, very roughly, he shouldn't run for president but should perhaps work his way up from the bottom of politics. Which I think is self serving and a very human trait a side which up until now she hadn't let on about. You know like Hamilton she's flying by the seat of her pants. 


I love entertainment, I'll get to the second misstep in a moment thanks, and one thing that's spoiling my unrestrained lust for it is the fact she can't run for the presidency in 2020, simply because of ageism. My lovely reader this is an egregious scandal. It's tantamount to saying that the most accomplished President will always be thirty five or over. The sheer arrogance. 

But she doesn't have a peg to stand on because she thinks the tea chap should waste his time in local politics when there's this really faltering, very violent empire in need of a warm beverage made in a tall cup. 


Now my favourite Margaret Thatcher axiom Socialism is lovely until you run out of other people's money. 


Her second misstep is saying that America needs socialism. Congresswoman Ocasio- Cortez, you have socialism. It's an empire that has murdered and plundered within and without for a century ask an intelligent Russian. 


That's if you haven't been indoctrinated by the risible smear that Trump is a Russian spy and that the the guys who actually got to Berlin first in 1945 are still useful bogeypeople for the imperial insanity that 
reigns in this still early but faltering American century. 


Let me be clear, from the latter part of the nineteenth century when Germany was doing winning things and England's elite were doing all those violent, plundering things and America was a global backwater. It was still possible then to stop the carnage that took place between 1914 and 1945. 


But politics is not designed for that sort of  constructive path. And the moment German GDP as a share of global GDP overtook Great Britain and Ireland's GDP war broke out. And this war for global hegemony , heading quite rightly for stalemate ended with Germany losing , thanks to America's snide entry in 1917. Not Russia billy ?  No billy. Reparations sought  by the "victors"  the British and French led to German hyperinflation in 1923 and let's face it Adolf and his national socialism, an honest socialism was his that involved entirely soldiers and force but  no sneaky pieces of coloured paper.


 Even then with seventy million more dead, including six million innocent jews, post world war two West Germany infested with American intelligence were forced into an utterly fake non democratic slave state called roughly the united states of europe. Perhaps it was the guilt indoctrination they received that finally made them dress up in all that bondage. 


Still America's response in the 1930s to the global economic tempest was socialism. Which by 1937 had still not brought any economic relief with unemployment still sky high. Recovery by socialism really only came in 1938 when America found export markets for its arms which I suppose allowed FDR to be placed on mount Rushmore or maybe not... I simply..am not all together too sure about that last bit. 


Still America or the dollar took over in 1944 and I know this because when we and the French tried to strut our imperial stuff in Suez in 1956, Eisenhower told us that the pound sterling's best days were behind us and to behave ourselves. And yet the French gave you a taste of your own medicine when it called time on your very own silliness in Vietnam. 


So other people's money does run out even for you and you formally defaulted on your obligations on August the 15th 1971. 


And that would be that Alexandria but astonishingly the petrodollar was born and the euro dollar. I say dollar but what it is really is the federal reserve note. Note being a synonym for an iou or a liability.


The world didn't have a clue what to do and your treasury Secretary John Connolly said that the dollar was our currency and your problem. Charming. Anyway Nixon and Kissinger came up with the petrodollar with Saudi Arabia and opec, which is a kind of failing central bank for oil. A central bank being a failing cartel for money. Then after some prompting from some very irate europeans, Carter pick,  Paul Volcker pushed the federal funds rate up to 20%... it's only 2.4% at the moment....and while a deep recession ensued in the early Ronnie years the fucking piece of paper that allows America to live way above her means was reborn and America's ability to gain access to other people's money too. 


Of course first Saddam questioned this and  Muammar later but because they were small fry...sorry guys...and America had access to other people's money one was removed by hanging and the other got a pole up his fundamental which I heard Hillary enjoyed. Probably a canard. 


And here we all are ten years after Lehman's demise. That's when your socialism actually collapsed. Oh, you thought that was all fixed ? Oh no. Yes you were allowed to paper over things because you still had other people's money but now I'd say it's debatable whether you still have other people's money and hence Whitney we all have a problem. 


I Think the Isis led u.s. stroll Into Syria has now failed. Which Means For the first time since 2002, if memory serves me, America has got Its begging Bowl Out In Venezuela again. Apparently the tiresome Cunning Plot is to fret over the poor benighted people's  plight at the hands of a former bus driver,  find a denim wearing stooge and pay him. Then get Pence to phone him asking if he wouldn't mind declaring himself President of his oil rich state making a note to get all your slave states, apart from those annoying italian russian puppets, to back this fine young statesman. 


Maduro is lousy leader. He's singularly failed to get his gold off our Central Bank. The moustache is Saddamesque, so 2003. He doesn't even cut up Journalists. 


Where was I? Oh Yeah how has America remained a Worker's paradise some ten Years after Lehman's where even the banks are all on welfare and all the empire's slave state's banks too. In a word China. China's gone into eye watering debt to help out but that does seem to be exhausting itself now. QE didn't really work because interest rates around the world haven't returned to normal. zero or negative are not normal. You Know we live in a world where people pay people to borrow money. It's somewhat a mess. 


This isn't 1944 , that trick with the piece of paper appears to have run its course, just saying. Maybe keynes's idea of a neutral reserve global money had some merit. Only saying. You've also gone and exported your manufacturing base to Asia and their old terracotta military now looks a match....if you happen to go the old 1914 route. 


Maybe you could taIk,  I firmly believe this should be tried first. Thanks .
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Why Are People Obsessed With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?
Posted: 2/9/2019 4:00:06 PM

Do away with cattle, hogs are next...


From the Hoover Institution website:

"There is an old joke from the Soviet era. Pavel begged the Commissar of his communal dairy to give him his own cow to care for. He promised that, under his direct care, he could increase milk production in his cow, and, as a reward for his efforts he would get to sell half of any milk above the cow's official production level. With the extra money he earned, Pavel was able to buy some luxury goods and improve the lot for his family.

Sergey went to the Commissar to complain that it was unfair that Pavel's family was doing better than his family, and demanded that the Commissar do something about this subversion of socialist justice. The Commissar said, "Fine, I'll give you your own cow too." Sergey blanched and screamed, "I don't want my own cow, you fool; I want you to kill Pavel's cow.""
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