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 Million_Reasons
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"How do rational, intelligent people end up buying into this kind of right wing trash? Like i said, a real mystery."


This is how...in Margaet Sanger's own words....


"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members,” she wrote. "


Now....you can try to "whitewash" that statement all you want with the weak "inartfully written" and "taken out of context" explaination....but the bigger truth....the bigger context....is....the woman was a eugenicist. Fact. That's history. That is the foundation of Planned Parenthood.

That is not to say that some good has not come out of it developement...it has. Birth control being a complete game changer with regard to reproductive autonomy in the lives of women.

But....for f*k sakes! Stop calling abortion in today's World...."women's health"!

Call it what it is.....taking a life, in order, to rid one's self of a consequence due to a poor choice!

It's time to get real. Do your research beyond Wiki.



On topic....

Does anyone think AOC is going to set an example and practice what she preaches and hand over 90% of her 10 million Netflix paycheck to the IRS?

I am going to safely say.....not a chance in Hell. ;)

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Posted: 2/9/2019 7:24:36 PM
Drac writes===========>


In the uk the welfare state was set up as a safety net for citizens who fell on hard times.


In the US, the social welfare state was set up largely by Democrats as a safety net for citizens falling on hard times.
The corporate welfare state was largely set up by Republicans as a safety net for Big Business falling on "hard times"


The NHS was set up to give every citizen the right to healthcare.


In the US, Trump and the Republicans do not consider healthcare a right....and would abjectly look down at anyone who would!


Health care and education are rights that ALL citizens should have.


In the US.....if you are a Republican that embraces this ^......you will be ex-communicated instantly!


But we now have a welfare system that means citizens are better off financially by not working.


Because that is the way your Capitalistic leaders want it........because big industry would rather pay migrant workers lower wages than they would have to pay legal citizens taken off the welfare state


Thanks to the de industrialisation of most of the uk. Minimum wage jobs meaning that you cannot earn enough wages to pay your bills or rent. Then the state have to give you money for the shortfall.


see above answer


But welfare comes at a cost to citizens. They basically cannot survive without the 'benevolent' state. So it is not in their interest to rock the establishment boat.


so you will have to choose between keeping your NHS.........versus allowing big business to keep more of their profits


Viktor Orban in Hungary FORCED banks and utility companies to return money to citizens. Yet he is described as 'fascist' by intolerant illiberal liberals.


Maybe if you think hard enough....you might come to the conclusion that he did that to gain their allegiance & patronage


And as for sherman 'right wingers' shouting socialism at any initiative which will help citizens we have intolerant illiberal liberals calling ANYONE who disagrees with them as 'fascist'.


what else would you expect from 2 polar opposites


Maybe they should learn a wee bit more about fascism before they use it as an outdated meaningless slur.


You are somewhat right here^......many of the right wingers are worse than fascists....they fall more along the lines of Oligarchic despots (as opposed to just 1 despot)


Yet i read on here how trump is a president for the rich. That he wants LESS government interference in citizens lives.


That Trump is a president for the rich is CORRECT.........and because of such, he wants LESS govt for the wealthy & elite....so they can pillage with greater freedom.........at the expense of ordinary citizens


So how anyone can call president the donald fascist is clueless.


Fascists are who he admires........for their authoritarianism.........as shown by his admiration of Ertgon


But can you still not see why millions voted for trump? He said he would bring jobs to americans. And as far as it is reported over here he has done that.


and what Uk joke book did you read this ^ from?.............obviously you didn't read my post on the "Trump last 4 years" thread..........Msg 8402................items 1 and 4 respectively.



Many of yous over the pond just cannot see past their hatred for trump


most of us don't hate Trump per se.........we hate his blatant & insulting LIES


hatred because they voted for someone who said he would bring jobs back.


what jobs did he SPECIFICALLY bring back......that (to a reasonable degree), were not already here?......man, you need to stop listening to Breitbart...or Info wars........or whatever bastion of nonesense you read!


From what i read and seen of the last presidential election only trump came close to offering americas rust belt citizens any kind of hope. Even if bringing jobs and wages was a lie he at least payed attention to them.


Not untrue............so based on your remark ^ above..........let me offer you 1 of 2 options.......supposing you were a sick man laying in some hospital bed...and OPTION 1 is when a doctor comes up to you and says.........sir, you have a serious illness that it a bit complicated....and there is no officially established treatment that has proven to be helpful....OPTION 2 is when a doctor comes to you saying...........sir, you are indeed sick..........but I have some great snake oil to give that will cure you.....but you have to bear with me

Make your choice!


Clinton however was everything they hated. Career politician. Tied to wall street. Embracer of neo liberalist economics that meant more profit for her wall street mates.


and you are saying what?........That Trump isn't tied to WS..........that he isn't rigging the system to profit him?

Don't you naive simps realize that he accused HC of every vile thing that he is .......and has done!!!


Driven by identity politics


If you had any clue whatsoever of American politics today........you'd know that Trump's agenda is driven by Identity Politics more so than at ANY other time in US history..........He has divided citizens by color, by race and religion, sex.



Maybe instead of frothing at the mouth at folk who voted trump they will listen to what they have to say.


Yes Maybe they will..........but also there are lots of "folks" who are mumbling the slogan "we won't be fooled again"...as we head for 2020



============ John Zellie Says::::


as much as it troubles me, I have to completely agree with that statement. there are some aspects of socialism that work quite well but welfare isn't one of them. while still needed, it is a classic example of how socialism removes incentive and becomes a trap.


That is NOT the fault of socialism!..........that is the fault of legislators (both parties) that did not enact parameters and checks & balances onto the system of dependancy..............so instead of orchestrating a gradual weaning off the "welfare" state....they failed to address that component outright.....................the Repubs did it because they appeased Businesses who'd rather hire undocumented illegals rather than those on public assistence being transitioned into productive citizens because of a higher wage & benefit demand..............the Democrats did it citing discriminatory practices towards an underclass that they've falsey championed in that regard......preferring that they'd be more comfortable remaining on public relief than to be "herded" through a labor corridor


my niece, raising her son and her brothers 2 kids, gets welfare, additional income for her brothers kids, rent assistance, medical, food stamps and most of utilities paid. a few other freebies on top of that. easily double a minimum wage job. if she takes a minimum wage job for 30 hours a week, she loses everything! while I don't want to side track this thread to a welfare debate, my point is pure socialism removes the incentive to do just a little better and encourages doing the bare minimum.


again, your example is not "pure" Socialism........it is a safety net that has been abused (or misused) by those who enacted it.....for political motivations............I say this because the Government's intention is not to have a single class society (as we've seen in the classical socialist states)..........but rather a safety net with a socialistic framework!


capitalism is needed but without balance, it is like a game of monopoly where half way threw, you already know who is going to end with everything while everyone else gets nothing.


True ^.


====================== Plat says :::::::::


Interesting Vlad...you could be describing the black minority living in America's inner cities for decades, only they never had decent jobs or education to begin with....and you are describing the now developing fate of the US working class and many of the middle class.


He cannot see this ^........within the naive fog that he is surrounded by.
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Posted: 2/10/2019 2:12:55 AM
There is no difference between republicans and democrats. Both parties are owned by the rich. Neither represents the interests of the working poor or the middle class.

The main role of political discourse is to control the opposition. Liberals are brainwashed with a false ideology called cultural marxism. They are taught that poverty, corruption and all the everyday conditions of rampant, unchecked hyper-capitalism is the fault of poor white people. Especially those white people who resent being treated as second class citizens.

The ruling class is never criticized. The left does not challenge the power of the billionaires who mind**** us with junk media and a dysfunctional school system. Occasionally the Dems need to trot out a fake socialist. Letting Bernie Sanders participate in their rigged election creates the illusion that Dems are the good guys. Ron Paul does the same thing for the republicans. The shills sing sweet music about taxing the rich and returning to gold based currency. But Bernie and Cortez are full of shit.

In real democracies no socialist would ever have anything to do with the liberal democrats unless they were getting something in return. And if you want socialism and real progressive policies then you have to attack the liberal democrats and attack them for not doing what you want. You have to treat liberal democrats the same way democrats treat socialists, as scum. And dominate the left side of the spectrum.

The alt-right understands this. Nationalists attack and ridicule conservatives. That is why racism and nationalism are becoming more mainstream. But socialism has not.

The old right has been discredited by the new right. the old left has not. Most of the liberals on this forum are aging spinsters with one foot already in the grave. Like heroin addicts still chasing that glorious rush they felt when the fight for civil rights and human dignity was real. Electing Bill Clinton's wife is never going to feel as good as that first hit of Obama,
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"""""This is how...in Margaet Sanger's own words....


"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members,” she wrote. """""

Call me skeptical but i'm betting this purported quote is total bs...manufactured by the right. I know nothing about Sanger...but this sounds like the work of rightest trash along the same lines as the lies from leftist trash like cotter and jovan who constantly slander israel.
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Posted: 2/10/2019 11:40:03 AM
Doing a little research, apparently Sanger's ideas were mainstream

Dethroning a cultural idol like Sanger is not easy. The problem goes deeper than the link between her birth control movement and the sexual revolution. Sanger represents a genteel prejudice shared by many members of America’s ruling class in the early 20th century. To face squarely the glacial eugenics of Sanger one must demythologize the Progressive movement’s pantheon: Theodore Roosevelt (who staunchly supported the eugenic research of the Cold Spring Harbor laboratories), Woodrow Wilson (who as governor of New Jersey signed a law in 1911 mandating the forced sterilization of “the feeble-minded”), and Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes (who in the Buck v. Bell case in 1927 declared forced-sterilization statutes constitutional). Such biases have consequences. At least 60,000 American citizens were sterilized against their will under the weight of such mandates.

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/11/27/margaret-sanger-was-eugenicist-why-are-we-still-celebrating-her?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwqSq1vOx4AIVgoSzCh3zkwWKEAAYASAAEgKCQPD_BwE

That was also a world that sanctified trench warfare and the holocaust. Israel got it right...given such a world, the jews needed to reclaim its homeland. Screw skum like cotter, little red rider and jovan who target the jews and ignore the gentiles responsible for so much bloodshed and digusting behavior. A pox on their heads...and jovan if you are reading this...fuk you, you antisemitic piece of trash.
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Posted: 2/10/2019 7:15:08 PM
LGL writes:
There is no difference between republicans and democrats. Both parties are owned by the rich. Neither represents the interests of the working poor or the middle class.
100% true, in general. Of course there are many differences around the edges, but ultimately, both push for things the rich and the business elite want.


The main role of political discourse is to control the opposition. Liberals are brainwashed with a false ideology called cultural marxism. They are taught that poverty, corruption and all the everyday conditions of rampant, unchecked hyper-capitalism is the fault of poor white people.
Disagree. I believe they just ignore all the problems of hyper-capitalism because most liberals (at least the ones that matter, i.e., with the $$ to fund things, the latte sipping urban and coastal ones) are benefitting from this hyper-capitalism. I.e, Limosime liberals. These LL's may blame white people, particularly poor white people for the plight of blacks, immigrants, women, etc. etc. , but I don’t see where they blame them for unchecked capitalism. Most LL's don't mind unchecked capitalism; after all they have careers and 401K's that are benefitting from it.


The ruling class is never criticized. The left does not challenge the power of the billionaires who mind**** us with junk media and a dysfunctional school system. Occasionally the Dems need to trot out a fake socialist. Letting Bernie Sanders participate in their rigged election creates the illusion that Dems are the good guys.
True about not challenging big media. Regarding Sanders -the true Bernie supporters shunned the Dems after this; some even went to Trump. And I don't blame them.


Ron Paul does the same thing for the republicans. The shills sing sweet music about taxing the rich and returning to gold based currency. But Bernie and Cortez are full of shit.
I think Bernie and AOC can do useful things. Not sure what they can do that you would suggest.


In real democracies no socialist would ever have anything to do with the liberal democrats unless they were getting something in return. And if you want socialism and real progressive policies then you have to attack the liberal democrats and attack them for not doing what you want. You have to treat liberal democrats the same way democrats treat socialists, as scum. And dominate the left side of the spectrum.
Kinda agree. The alt-left tends not to have the fight the alt-right does. Lefties tend to fold back into the establishment party when they fail.


The alt-right understands this. Nationalists attack and ridicule conservatives. That is why racism and nationalism are becoming more mainstream. But socialism has not.
But the Alt-right has much more of a funding base than the alt-left. Look at allt the funding behind the Tea Party vs. Occupy. And we see which movement had more legs. But in a way in accepting this money from their billionaires, is a problem because ultimately what is discovered, is that the alt-right is then crippled at making populist economic changes….i.e., more pro “1%” legislation is passed. From what is supposed to be a populist front. Just look at Trump’s idiot tax cut for an example of that Alt-right so called "populist" movement. More trickle down, the cornerstone of establishment “old right.” It makes no sense to call your movement populist and then accept money from billionaires. It just doesn’t work. I will argue Trump is more populist than his competitors in 2016 but not really populist at all. And I predict he will become even less populist and more of a cookie cutter GOP’er moving forward as big business and big finance tighten the screws. And I long ago abandoned any idea that there will be any orderly infiltration into the Dem party of true left wingers, i.e. economic left wingers, simply because there is no money to fund them. The only hope is dissolution of the system. OF course this is also very dangerous, so much so that I would not favor that either, although one day I believe it will happen as our middle class dissolves. Nothing lasts forever. A system based on unchecked greed is doomed to die, some way, some how, some time.


The old right has been discredited by the new right. the old left has not.
The new right has funding billionaires. The new left does not, for the most part.


Most of the liberals on this forum are aging spinsters with one foot already in the grave. Like heroin addicts still chasing that glorious rush they felt when the fight for civil rights and human dignity was real. Electing Bill Clinton's wife is never going to feel as good as that first hit of Obama,
I have always felt that arguing traditional GOP/Dem politics is making the arguments approved by the billionaire ruling elites. It is approved argument; meant to make us feel like we are making a difference in our country and the world. We aren’t. Cuz the things the elites want…deficit spending, wars, eradicating national borders, offshoring middle class jobs, endless tax evasion and breaks, etc. etc. continue unabated while we argue about guns, abortion or transgender bathroom rights.
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Posted: 2/10/2019 7:39:22 PM
"" LGL writes:
There is no difference between republicans and democrats. Both parties are owned by the rich. Neither represents the interests of the working poor or the middle class.
100% true, in general. Of course there are many differences around the edges, but ultimately, both push for things the rich and the business elite want. """

BS. In the past there was little difference between the then gop and the dems. The old gop no longer exists. There is no equivalence...none..between the parties.
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I won 70 grand tonight...

odd timing.
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Amy Klobuchar in 2020!
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hahahahah

Amy Klobuchar in 2020!
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Platitude wrote:
BS. In the past there was little difference between the then gop and the dems. The old gop no longer exists. There is no equivalence...none..between the parties.
There is no difference in the context of “Both parties are owned by the rich. Neither represents the interests of the working poor or the middle class,” which is what LGL stated. That is, for the most part, true in my view. Now I will concede that Trump is a little bit of an aberration to that trend, and in questioning my answer you’re answering the $64K question as to why Trump supporters support Trump, and continue to do so. As ugly as it is, he represents a differentiation between the parties to them. “Business as usual” with a circle and slash through it. Now, is it the differentiation Trump supporters had in mind? For some of the truly racist component, yes. But for the majority, I would say no. They just wanted change from what they considered anti-working class policies of both parties. I still agree with my statement – no difference between the parties vis a vis pro-working class economic policy. It's not even debated. Of course, there are vast differences in many other areas, particularly cultural issues.

And althought LGL seems to vent about “no difference” between the parties, he always seems to have it in for liberals. If he thought there was truly “no difference," he would be more even handed in his attacks. I’ll let him respond to that if he wants. He bashes AOC and Bernie, but both represent differentiation away from neoliberal policies that both parties have agreed upon since the '80s.
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^^^I'm not really concerned with LGL...I find his posts amusing...but i still have an issue with "Both parties are owned by the rich. Neither represents the interests of the working poor or the middle class".

First of all... I don't even know what this means that "both parties are owned by the rich"...if that means that politicians are lobbied by the Rich I agree...but I still see a huge difference in practice. The Gop likes to take credit for being the party of Fiscal Rectitude, but it is far from it. It is the party that consistently increases the deficit...the recent Tax cut was almost completely a product of the GOP, not the Dems, and it was clearly a tax cut by the rich for the rich with little benefit to the working poor or middle class. On the other hand, the Afforable Care Act was a program that greatly benefited many of the working poor, albeit it was also a wonderful program benefiting the insurance company elite. It was a program almost exclusively by the Dems on behalf of the people. The GOP has been trying to repeal it ever since. Like I said, huge difference.

And then there are the fundamental differences...Gop is anti-science, anti-intellect, anti-union, anti-working class....that is so obvious it is beyond repute. Yes lots of Democratic politicians are as corrupt to their cores as GOP politicians....but still many Dems actually are progressives and want to help the "people". The Gop has given up any pretense of being for the people in its actions...although it still lies to the "Trump Base" who are still manipulated by the crap coming out of a GOP politician's mouth.

I just wonder what happens if the Trump/Gop base ever realize they have been factually fuked by Trump and the rest of the GOP...sooner or later they are going to have to get it...that Rooster is going to come home to Roost.
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^^^I'm not really concerned with LGL...I find his posts amusing...but i still have an issue with "Both parties are owned by the rich. Neither represents the interests of the working poor or the middle class".
Parts of his posts make sense, though, to those who look hard outside of the traditional left/right or GOP/Dem paradigm. Same with Justinelle’s. And a lot of it is not not "conspiracy nut" stuff. Yes, it gets usually lumped into the Alex Jones or 9/11 truther type nonsense, butr that’s just to dismiss them as loons….and take attention from some of the actual stuff going on behind the scenes that’s ignored by the elite owned and run MSM because it’s “U.S. interests,” or more accurately interests of the power elites that wish not to make avaliable some of the inconvenient truths that best not be out there for broad dissemenation to the general public.


First of all... I don't even know what this means that "both parties are owned by the rich"...if that means that politicians are lobbied by the Rich I agree...but I still see a huge difference in practice. The Gop likes to take credit for being the party of Fiscal Rectitude, but it is far from it. It is the party that consistently increases the deficit...the recent Tax cut was almost completely a product of the GOP, not the Dems, and it was clearly a tax cut by the rich for the rich with little benefit to the working poor or middle class. On the other hand, the Afforable Care Act was a program that greatly benefited many of the working poor, albeit it was also a wonderful program benefiting the insurance company elite. It was a program almost exclusively by the Dems on behalf of the people. The GOP has been trying to repeal it ever since. Like I said, huge difference.
But, overall, Ocare was guided by, and ultimately benefitted huge business goliaths – Big Pharma and Big Insurance, among other healthcare players. It was fought hard by other business goliaths – ones that traditionally align with the GOP, such as almost any large business group not in healthcare becasuse they saw it as adding costs. Plus you had other GOP groups, the deficit hawks and small government business groups (other groups of “rich) weighing in against it. So Ocare was the battle of the goliaths – the rich from the left vs. the rich from the right. Just because someone says “both parties are owned by the rich” doesn’t mean it’s the same set of “rich" whose interests each party represents. In this case, the "rich" (or more accurately a subset of “rich" business groups) won either way Ocare went.

This is what I mean by “both parties are owned by the rich,” I mean no matter what legislation is passed, the rich win, just different sets of the rich depending on what the legislation is. It is never a win for consumer groups, labor, or anything similar that may cost business or investors money. The “rich” win, no matter what. Textbook neoliberalism.

And in the case of Ocare, this is the reason why nationalized healthcare was never considered, or entered the realm of debate. Because true nationalized healthcare IS A THREAT TO THE RICH! So the argument in healthcare is narrowed to two outcomes that favor the rich – status quo (which is a mess) vs. Ocare (still a mess, but at least exteneded coverage to more people). Net net is, rich still get richer with a inefficient HC system, and the cost gets tacked onto the deficit.

Another case is immigration, where “rich” seeking cheap labor are wise enough to know the best way to guaratee success that is to affix their cause to the backs of well meaning altruistic liberals and let them do the legwork. You better believe there are PLENTY of big business groups – who care nothing about the welfare of immigrants, either here or in their home countries - who support relaxed immigration rules BECAUSE THEY WANT CHEAP, PLIABLE LABOR. And they realize governemt will pick up many of the social services costs related to having tens of 1000’s if not millions of desparately poor people immigrating here.


And then there are the fundamental differences...Gop is anti-science, anti-intellect, anti-union, anti-working class....that is so obvious it is beyond repute. Yes lots of Democratic politicians are as corrupt to their cores as GOP politicians....but still many Dems actually are progressives and want to help the "people". The Gop has given up any pretense of being for the people in its actions...although it still lies to the "Trump Base" who are still manipulated by the crap coming out of a GOP politician's mouth.
If one looks closely, the “anti science” mindset is favored and backed by business groups (again “the rich”) i.e. fossil fuel industry, etc. And the "Science" crowd is again, business groups – “rich” but a different group of rich (Clean energy, and it would not surprise me to see that big insurance backs this). In all these partisan battles, one has to recognize that the debate is narrowed down – mainly through the MSM to exclude outcomes the rich don’t want.


I just wonder what happens if the Trump/Gop base ever realize they have been factually fuked by Trump and the rest of the GOP...sooner or later they are going to have to get it...that Rooster is going to come home to Roost.
I think that’s already happening, looking at the midterm results.

Sheesh, keyboard diarrhea, sorry. But you asked.
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Part of LGLs posts make sense if you buy into conspiracy theories, and sure many conspiracy theories have an element of truth to them.. for example the "deep state" does in a sense exist if you consider the power and broad reach of our intelligence agencies...as for Justinelli..he simply cuts and pastes without attribution. I therefore consider him a guy with zero integrity and rarely read the detail in most of his posts.

Stuff behind the scenes...you mean like Collusion with Russia?.....the thing is this is not some vast governmental conspiracy crafted in secret....this was just a bunch of yahoos too stupid to know it was not right to seek assistance from Russia to dethrone Hillary. Think occam's razor...these guys simply are not as smart as most conspiracy theories make them out to be.

Take Trump...he bought into the Goebbels method of propoganda....in this case targeting mexicans to begin with...no great leap of intelligence to do this..nothing deceptive...to scapegoat other people, you simply have to be a total piece of sh^t.

The MSM is too large and broad to be owned by anyone...unless you consider WSJ is owned by Murdoch and therefore all of its writers cater to Murdoch's vision...I don't see that, except in some cases. The only really owned network is Faux...created by Ailes to do nothing but manipulate people. I think most reporters try to do the best they can, are inherently honest..some of course do bad things to try to get ahead of the next guy, to get ratings, but people are not perfect. I for the most part trust WAPO, WSJ, CNN etc.

True...the rich have always won because they have the money and therefore the lobbying and the political influence...this is not some sort of conspiracy..this is just a fact that is true around the world, always has been...money talks...this not some great revelation. Although in the past, the income tax rate has been as high as 90% and our economy was in the best shape ever back then.
Citizens United has given the rich even more power than it once had. And it is getting worse. If the rich do not get smart and continue increasing inequality where the masses can barely eke out a living..things will change..if by revolution if necessary.. the people will simply not tolerate being indentured servants all of their lives. I predict the first thing that will happen is that people will simply decide not to pay taxes (already happening in many cases unless you are subject to withholding), will refuse to pay back their student loans, will refuse to pay their tax debts...will refuse to fight the governments unjust wars...what do people have to lose in many cases? Think of Ali, who was way ahead of his time...said I ain't got no quarrel with the Viet Cong...I ain't going to travel 10,000 miles to kill brown people when my own people in the US treat me so shabbily. Times that by millions.

Healthcare is now getting so expensive...Pharma prices so expensive that the government is going to have to finally act. Stay tuned. Immigrants come here voluntarily because they still do better than they can do back home (although immigration has been cut drastically over the last decade because opportunities in the US are not what they once were). Immigration is a win-win for everybody...always was until Trump came in and convinced his cult immigration = bad.

I agree climate change is to a great degree influenced by big oil, etc...but things are rapidly heating up so much..how much longer will they get away with it?

Anyway, I am just rambling here.....yes the rich are a big problem...and if that problem is not solved, the US will cease to exist as we now know it. Then the Rich can hide out in their fenced in compounds and risk death every time they venture out...that is the world they are possibly creating for themselves.
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Posted: 2/11/2019 11:20:48 AM
great post ^^^

but you seem to be biased against the " rich ".
is it "them" whom are out to get you?

say you buy 1 dollar Scratch off tickets...
vs
your neighbor who puts 10 grand on horses...

sounds like vilifying the bigger stake player in the same game.
but it is the same game.


1... can you define "the rich"

2... can you explain why they are out to get you?

3... what is YOUR part in this?

4... how can WE improve the disfunction?
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Posted: 2/11/2019 4:45:19 PM
^


1... can you define "the rich"

2... can you explain why they are out to get you?

3... what is YOUR part in this?

4... how can WE improve the disfunction?



1. Those who control the politicians
2. Because they are jocking to see who can gain more power & influence
3. None....we are onlookers
4. By leaning towards socialism........the only viable equalizer
 platitude545
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Actually, the rich benefit far more from socialism than the poor. Government giveaways to the rich huge....the fed gave the banks trillions in free money. They for the most part kept it for themselves rather than spreading it to the people. Corporte welfare, tax cuts, government handouts are large and strong. What does the gov give to the poor? Food stamps? Student loans from banks non dischargeable in bankruptcy. Banks get tarp.
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Posted: 2/11/2019 6:10:22 PM
who's the conspiracy theorist now?


edit: define jocking
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"4. By leaning towards socialism........the only viable equalizer"


Weird that I haven't seen any images of President Maduro digging through garbage for food. And he still has a very robust weight.

Hmmm.....maybe he just had more pets to eat or used his position to get first dibs at the zoo animals.

Yeah....he is just as equal as his starving people! Pfft!


The only "viable equalizer" is get off your azz and work and elect public servants who actually....serve the public instead of enriching themselves.

How about we start with term limits? :)
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Posted: 2/11/2019 11:43:13 PM
#116 Plat writes


Actually, the rich benefit far more from socialism than the poor. Government giveaways to the rich huge....the fed gave the banks trillions in free money.


That is because nobody in power was ever inclined to make Socialism work for the poor or middle class.......the Rich always benefitted from Socialist policies....as you well pointed out....and took advantage of their "safety net"....that the poor and middle class have always been taught was wrong for them to have!


They for the most part kept it for themselves rather than spreading it to the people.


Yes....Because of their influence over the politicians on both parties.....and their aim to control more and more of the wealth!


Corporte welfare, tax cuts, government handouts are large and strong. What does the gov give to the poor? Food stamps? Student loans from banks non dischargeable in bankruptcy. Banks get tarp.


Exactly....which shows that Socialism is well in effect in the US.......for big-Business; that is!.........but now enter people like Sanders, and AOC!

=================== # 117 Red asks


who's the conspiracy theorist now?


well then, keep believing that the top 1% are your "friends"


edit: define jocking


my bad....correct spelling is: Jockeying.........such as in, jockeying your horse to advance your position

======================= # 118 Million writes


Weird that I haven't seen any images of President Maduro digging through garbage for food.


and I haven't seen any images of people in Scandinavia rummaging for food in garbage dumps either... as they look well nurished and healthy.............nor have I heard or seen photos of Cubans looking like they are starving

But I have seen pics of people starving in countries headed by very corrupt leaders.......most are not considered to be Socialist.


The only "viable equalizer" is get off your azz and work and elect public servants who actually....serve the public instead of enriching themselves.


Henceforth, the election of Bernie Sanders.......and now AOC (who serve the public)..........and hopefully others along that line will be elected...............so the rest of America can get a "slice" of the pie that the top 1% have been getting all along!

and if you reject Socialism........then it should first be denied to the wealthy....then I will gladly relinquish it for the rest of the population.

what is good for the (rich) goose....should be good for the gander
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Posted: 2/12/2019 5:33:28 PM
and I haven't seen any images of people in Scandinavia rummaging for food in garbage dumps either... as they look well nurished and healthy.............nor have I heard or seen photos of Cubans looking like they are starving


Scandinavia <------------- Not Socialist


Cuba <--------- Not Socialist



You might want to do some research. ;)

Oh! And don't forget to check out the images of Cubans taking lovely sailing trips to Florida on unique and innovative "watercraft"! Lmao!


"Henceforth, the election of Bernie Sanders.......and now AOC (who serve the public)..........and hopefully others along that line will be elected...............so the rest of America can get a "slice" of the pie that the top 1% have been getting all along!"


Poor examples. Bernie sold out his supporters for a beach house and a car and let's see if AOC gives $7,000,000 out of her $10 mil Netflix paycheck to the IRS. ;)
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Posted: 2/12/2019 6:42:25 PM
^


Scandinavia <------------- Not Socialist


Sweden & Norway, regarded as social Democracies.....the very thing Trump doesn't want
www.history.ac.uk/reviews/review/1184....if you care to read it.


Cuba <--------- Not Socialist


Communism is an extreme form of socialism....you may want to research it
infograph.venngage.com/p/203440/socialism-and-communism


Oh! And don't forget to check out the images of Cubans taking lovely sailing trips to Florida on unique and innovative "watercraft"!


Even so.......show me images where these people arrived with bloated bellies, or emaciated to the bone (concentration camp-like)............not even the Marielitos


Bernie sold out his supporters for a beach house and a car


That is far less than the 1.5 trillion tax break that the Trump led GOP gave to their benefactors.....at the expense of the people who voted for them


let's see if AOC gives $7,000,000 out of her $10 mil Netflix paycheck to the IRS.


just as soon as Trump signs her proposal into law....then she will have no choice

So the question is: ...........if you regard establishing "safety net" programs (such as universal health care, access to free higher education) for the non wealthy, as being socialism.............do you then regard that giving free hand-outs to big financial institutions (who were supposed to be too big to fail), and now to Soyfarmers....as Corporate socialism.
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"Sweden & Norway, regarded as social Democracies....."

And.........the differences between a Social Democracy and Socialism?

They're pretty big. :)


"Communism is an extreme form of socialism....you may want to research it"

Don't need to. I...already knew there was a difference!



"Even so.......show me images where these people arrived with bloated bellies"

Can't. Their bloated, dead bodies at the bottom of the ocean have long been food for the sea creatures.



"That is far less than the 1.5 trillion tax break that the Trump led GOP gave to their benefactors....."

Benefactors??? I think you mean the job creators. You know what J....O.....B is, don'tcha? Oh hell! You probably don't. That's why you want free....free....free. SMH



"just as soon as Trump signs her proposal into law....then she will have no choice"


Why does she need to wait? Lead by example! Be progressive! Lmao!



Question for you.....Have you used the VA medical system?

And the hand outs to Solyndra, Abound Solar etc. . <------Free handouts courtesy of Obama

Soy farmers? False equivalency. Try again. :)
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^^^^^sadly that is how they think. Trump saving hundreds of millions in tax breaks from the government good. Trump declaring bankruptcy six times good. Corps getting billions in tax cuts for stock buybacks and increasing value of options good. Student loans non dischargeable in bankruptcy at high interest rates good. Health care for the poor bad. Food stamps for the poor bad .
 Million_Reasons
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Posted: 2/12/2019 7:20:18 PM
"Student loans non dischargeable in bankruptcy at high interest rates good. "


Nobody is forced to take out student loans. That is a choice.


What an example of entitlement!


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^^^ you forgot to add the i paid my way through college with a part time job during the weekend, why can't they?

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